Everton Banter Archive September 24 2017

24 Sep 2017 20:20:16
More and more of our fans are sounding like west ham or Newcastle fans. Not interested in what he does to try and win a game or give him credit but instead slate every single thing he does and not even in a constructive manner. It's not just on here but also at the game.

Am I his biggest fan - no. However, I can't justify criticising him when he gets three points. He and the team done their job.

He deserves support and time. He has the best win% since Kendalls 1st stint and is 5th all time discounting managers with less than 10 games at the club.

There's loads I can't stand about his tactics like 3 at the back and lack of width but if he wins games he is vindicated in whatever he does. He's won 2 on the bounce and hardly anyone wants to give him a break and instead continue to have a go.

As for Niasse I'm made up he is proving me wrong but I'm pretty sure we all saw how bad he was when first coming onto the scene. On top of that his arrest probably didn't endear him to the club when he 1st came either.

Everyone deserves a second chance and we're giving that to Niasse so why not do the same with Koeman.

Do what you want but some of you sound like you are getting bitter and will probably have a heart attack by the end of the month. I'll criticise when we don't win and played badly but I'll make sure I'll give support and credit when things go right.

{Ed025's Note - very fair comments there john mate..

24 Sep 2017 20:35:37
Good post BlueJohn.

24 Sep 2017 23:19:22
I think it depends how the criticism is put across. RK has my full support as soon as we take to the field, and I understand that he is trying to work out how to play with all the new players.

However he has repeated the same selection and tactical mistakes in several games, which for me has got me a little worried.

That being said, he does deserve credit for the last 2 wins, and irrespective of whether he should have started with the players who came on, he made the changes and we won the game as a result of those changes.

I'm hoping he's learning from his mistakes and that this time next week we will have 2 more wins under our belt and will be feeling like we are making as much progress on field as off it.

25 Sep 2017 09:45:12
I can see why fans are getting frustrated, but remember we have a new team and not being sure what is the best system and what players to pick, it's like he's thought just throw them all in the team and eventually they will click and the result will come, but watching as a fan it looks like same old bad tactics, which I think it is, you play with your trusted set up and add slowly to the team, we had some of the best teams in the league so far so it's abit unfair to judge yet, as we could of easily lost to these with out the new player and with lukaku still in the team, we got threw against bournemouth and that 2 wins in a row now, that will give confidence and hopefully things will start to move forward, naisse will hopefully give us another dimension and the one we have been missing.

25 Sep 2017 11:20:14
Spot on again BlueJohnUns.

25 Sep 2017 17:23:31
Ronnie got it spot on last Wednesday, then for some reason he went back to the excact same formation and team selection that saw us on the end of 4 defeats without a goal, he rectified that second half and brought on the players that did so well in the Wednesday game and again we were much better and got the result we deserve, I think the fans frustration is that when we come to play Burnley, you almost spect Ronnie to do the same again and start with the same players that started against Bournemouth, every fan will back Ronnie, but he simply cannot carry on starting a match with the same formation and players selections, that is what is bothering most Evertonians, not moaning, not slating Ronnie, but singly frustrated that it's the same week in week out until we make tactical subs, get those players on from the start and let the opponents worry about us.

25 Sep 2017 19:35:25
Baz I'm setting you a challenge. Give me 5 things Ronnie has done right in the past two games.

Nothing else in the post just positives. I might start listening to some of the things you say if you can manage it.

Also, why are you frustrated with the Burnley game that is after our next one and when you don't even know who he is going to pick. You are setting yourself up to be disappointed for no reason at all. You are talking absolute madness and moaning, yes moaning, already about a game that hasn't even been played!

24 Sep 2017 19:43:43
Any truth in this Giroud rumour. Fotmob are quoting he's very keen to come to Everton after Sanchez staying and not having the game time wenger said he'd have. It's also quoting that Everton will be paying 40m in which Arsenal are more than keen for.

24 Sep 2017 19:54:33
he didn't want us before. we should not go back now!

{Ed025's Note - he actually did nev, but his family and friends persuaded him to stay and he caved in mate..

24 Sep 2017 17:55:41
I was at the game yesterday and thought that when he came on Niasse looked more assured and confident than the last time I saw him at Goodison.
On that occasion it was when he made his debut against West Ham, I thought at that time he looked very nervous and over eager to please, making him look like he had the coordination of a box of frogs. Like everyone else in the ground that day I couldn't for the life of me see why we had spunked that much money on him, part of me was sure that Martinez knew he didn't have much longer in the job and was trying to have the last laugh.
Fast forward to yesterday afternoon, a lot of time has passed and Niasse has had a season on loan, he now seems to have got to grips with the EPL and seemed a lot more composed and intelligent.
Having just watched the highlights again and in particular the goals, they were both well taken and neither were easy tap ins.
Life is strange and sport in particular has lots of tales of seemingly lost causes coming good, I'm not trying to say that Niasse will definately be the striker we do so much need but on his performances and attitude in the last 2 games he is certainly in with a shout.

24 Sep 2017 17:46:03
Good result yesterday made up oumar got goals he was handfull when he come on him calvert lewin could cause defences problems.

24 Sep 2017 14:11:23
Well Ed I have just watched our match from yesterday and I have to say I thought on the whole We played pretty well, for some to say on here that Scneiderlin, Sigurdsson and even Wayne played badly is beyond me, we were by far the best team in the first half and mighty unlucky mot to get a penalty, the second half the disallowed goal for the ball not crossing the line was very debateable, We then score another two from the sub, i sometimes think that most of the moaning is the get R K out brigade who do nothing but gripe every match, face it folks its not going to happen so let's get behind the team and support them instead of slating them all the time.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think we are fully up to speed yet GB but its certainly improving mate..

24 Sep 2017 16:21:19
Agree with that Ed I should have included Klassen above, team play far better than R M era.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know about that just yet GB, i certainly think we have the makings of a good side but koeman is still experimenting with formations and some of our players have yet to flourish mate, but i feel that in a few weeks we will see more togetherness and the team ethic coming to the fore..

24 Sep 2017 19:30:12
Guernsey Blue, I fully accept what you are saying and there has been much criticism of late especially of RK but these fans many season ticket holders who pay good money to support our club are entitled to their opinion.

I accept sometimes fans can be critical unnecessarily
but also as they say " love is blind " and perhaps some supporters are unable to see issues that should be criticised.

The treatment of Naisse in particular has been nothing short of disgraceful and I think fans are particularly upset at how RK has behaved with him, coupled to stubbornness about choosing favourite players when it is obvious to fans what out formation should be.

I was particularly upset at RK trying to take credit for the substitutions yesterday when it was clearly obvious it was more like desperation.
Before the kick off all were saying playing at home in particular his team selection was wrong and all were proved right as when he desperately changed it the whole game changed.

Yes let's not be critical just for the sake of it but some times it is justified, as was the diabolical management of replacing Lukaku incidentally.

24 Sep 2017 19:39:19
Point taken Trebor mate.

24 Sep 2017 19:52:06
Trevor did RK make the three substitutions? If he did then he must take credit for making the three substitutions.

The only other way would be if someone else made them.

If we'd won every game this season and we were 1 nil down and he makes them three subs we would be praising him.

24 Sep 2017 20:13:05
Agree with that mate.

24 Sep 2017 12:04:49
Think its wrong the stick klassan is getting he is in a totaly diff style of play he needs time get of is back same for sandro both kids still everyone forgets plus made up about niassie the lad works hard and deserves a start he.
Knows were the net is.