Everton Banter Archive August 25 2013

25 Aug 2013 21:19:05
Wots going on with us when so called small clubs come up from the champion ship and spend more money than us when we have bean in the prem for so long so where as all the money gone from transfers from last year and year before and still not compeeting with the new comers to the prem get your hand in your pocket and stop kidding the fans.noel blue nose

7 million we've spent, every year is the same .kenwright made a statement that he wouldn't expect champions league without backing roberto .what a joke .last week of transfer window Weil sell and then buy .how is that backing your manager .no wonder moyes is showing him a total lack of respect .the simple fact he's now out of the equation .n clearly knows what are business model is a complete shambles .the two of them are a pair of people not just moyes .

Once again having a go at Kenwright, the only board member to put money into the club! Robert Earl is a billionaire who puts nothing into the club. Why don't you have a go at him for once or the other board members who have more money than Kenwright but don't put any money into the club!

TC

25 Aug 2013 18:49:15
Well the match was different to say the least I was impressed with baines and barkley while the rest were average to say the least I am worried about a few things though
1.Distin getting outpaced by long I think he may have lost a yard of pace although it could be he's not fully fit
2.Distin and jagielka hoofing the ball to no one and wba havle it again
3.Mirallas not taking people on although some idi*t yesterday posted he has no pace and is slow and never takes anyone on, okay mate believe that I also assume jon obi mikel is fast enough to be an olympic sprinter
4.Martinez takes off our most attacking player and our only striker and brings on a not fully fit striker and a defensive minded forward and played him out wide
5.Deulofeu not even getting a second on the pitch don't see why martinez didn't give him 15 minutes just to let him do something or change something and inject that pace we lost when mirallas went off

All in all I am still excited about the new season and think we will cole good its just going to take time is all

Thought Baines was crap, when was the last time he put a good ball in the box? His set pieces were poor too. Looks like ginger bollox mind games had an effect on him.
And Pienaar's final ball is diabolical still.

Coleman was our best player along with Barkley. Harsh on distin long is v.quick and he kept him in check. Agree on the subs being poor

25 Aug 2013 22:49:15
He kept up with long just a bout and outmuscled him quinny but last season he outpaced valencia and kept up with walcott also outpaced jerome when we played them at goodison and they're all faster than long and he is 36 so I'm just saying it is a possibility he has lost a yard of pace still quickest centre back in the league but it is possible he is getting slower, baines didn't do anything incredible but also didn't do anything wrong IMO and coleman looked clueless out there running at their corner flag and turning around and passing it backwards so he was quite poor IMO

Personally I thought we looked more attacking when Kone came on, he ran with the ball and brought other players into the game. Even though Jelavic didn't play too bad, I just thought we looked more like scoring when Kone came on.

TC

Coleman looked clueless,, the only player along with barkley who wanted to beat a man, do you want just a team of crabs that sweep the ball left to right? further more he played a good few crosses aswell.

25 Aug 2013 18:04:48
Hows it going guys RED RUSS here felt I had to comment after a few people here seem to be on Martinez back. give the man a chance it's only 2 games in I'm positive Everton are on the up with him in charge! Moyes has done himself no favours at all with his comments he has some nerve I was talking to a few blues this morning and love seems to have went to hate quickly. Good luck for the season except the derbys of course.

25 Aug 2013 16:46:41
Just a thought. Martinez said he was relieved that Felli's expiry clause had expired, and there was a lot of tension around Goodison about it. So if he didn't want anyone to meet the clause, then that ginger p***k from Manchester must have some sort of sense in his thick head that we want higher than £23m? Cause Martinez wouldn't have been so bothered if Felli was worth say £18m because he knew no-one would buy him for his £23m buy-out clause, but because he knew that he is worth MORE than that, he was anxious that Man U would have bought him for £23m? Am I making sense to anyone? And Eds please can you put this in the Everton Rumours section cause it always goes on the Banter page haha

Welcome to the banter page. It's here because its not a rumour. But I agree, we wouldn't have been scared of the release clause if we valued him below it.

I believe the ginger Judas was waiting for the Felli clause to expire, because he actually thought he was going to get him for a fee far below the amount stated in the clause. The 'people's club' obviously means nothing to him, when he thinks he has some sort of rite, that he can just come back and take the piss. I sensed a rat, when he was getting his photo taken with UTD supporters just days after the season had ended, and he was still Everton manager. (Wavertree Blue)

Clearly he thinks he's worth less, no one activated the clause and I think right now around 20m will get him, i'd rather have someone who will put a shift in anyway he looks so lazy sometimes and his passing is shocking, little pace and less effective at DM than AM, osman needs replacing also he tried to do the gibson role but failed

25 aug 2013 16:12:45
i sat in the top balcony for the game v wba.i heard a lot of criticism from lots of supporters over our shape/style of play.
also the crowd seemed very quiet throughout the game-no singing of the martinez song--he will not be given a honeymoon period--if he does not produce better performances than today he will have a short career.
also find it strange taht a new manager does not pick any of his 4 signings to start-he probably now realised that they are no better than we have at present and are not going to add anything to the starting eleven.

It was Martinez request, as the day was about Dave Hickson, so he didn't want to deflect from that.

Oh shut up its the second league game we haven't lost and are relatively unlucky not to have 6 points on the board, give the guy a break!

EFCMike

Robles has been bought as understudy to howard, Alacaraz is injured, Kone is not match fit and Delefeou will be brought in at the right times so you can't blame Robbie for that.
have some faith and at least give him a chance

stewillow

25 Aug 2013 15:57:59
Moyes is a disgraceful hypocrite. He had a huge tantrum and labelled City's approach for Lescott as 'Disgusting' for a series of reasons;

- He was incensed that they bid substantially below his price tag, just so they could 'Twist his head'.
- He accused them of trying to disrupt the club due to the timing, just before the first game of the season and
- He complained about how late the bid was as well, as it would not allow us to get a replacement in in time.

Well, Mr Moyes, your bid was insultingly below our valuation of both, and still a few million under our evaluation of one of them. You have told the players they should submit transfer requests. You have said we should let them go, for the good of their career and that you would have (as you did with Lescott, clearly). You submitted the bid the day before the opening game of the season and then leaked the story to the paper when we kept it quiet AND you are considering another bid which will likely not be ready until next week, giving us nearly no time at all to replace TWO players, who just so happen to be our best.

For the very few of you who still don't dislike him, this should be enough proof that he is a complete w**k stain.

To the original poster: don't sit on the fence - tell us what you really think ;-)

25 Aug 2013 15:21:53
gibson is like Darren anderton great when fit but 2 keep him fit is the problem we should go 4 Mc Carthy now our style of football suits him

25 Aug 2013 13:30:22
I don't know how true this is, but I was talking to a guy in the pub last night & he told me that Arsenal were looking to buy Paul Pogba from Juventus. Pogba is the young French lad who went up in my estimation greatly when he told Man U, (who he played for at the time) that he wasn't signing a new contract as he wanted the chance to play for a really big club! I LMFAO!
Anyway, I've watched him playing for Juve & he is, IMO, the most exciting young player I've seen for years. Believe me, this lad is going to be the next Zinedin Zidane, (spelling, sorry!), & I can't give higher praise than that. This guy was telling me that he's only on £10k a week at Juve, (seems unbelievable to me!) & that he's open to a move back to the Prem. If that's the case I would pray that BK & RM would move heaven & earth to bring him to Goodison.
That would be nearly as good as getting 6 numbers on the lottery & having Melanie Sykes as a groupie!

Um he gets first team games in the juve midfield why the hell would he leave that for us.

He left Man U to go to a 'big team', went to Juve, won the league, was one of their best players and is viewed as one of the best young players in the world. You seriously think he'll sign for us? He won't even sign for arsenal.

Complete rubbish. He left united due to lack of games and the fact we wouldn't give him 40k a week, which is ludicrous considering he wasn't a first team player. I think we offered him around 20/30k a week but he rejected which is fair enough because he is now playing often for Juve. And do you really think he's going to swap champions league football for the chance to play at goodison park. dream on

Degsy (leeds fan comes in peace) the guy you were talking to in the pub tezza, what was he drinkin?

Degsy, he wasn't drinking, he's the landlord, (know who I mean?!), but he's a Utd fan, though not as bitter as the one above. Pogba still isn't a first choice for Juve - he's behind Marchissio. But he's at one of the biggest clubs in the world so it's been a step up for him, hasn't it!

25 Aug 2013 15:02:51
we just need a cm and a cb like even on loan like diame would do barry on loan and maybe a cb like alderweirled striker not needed for me jelly is looking like getting his confidence back so wouldn't be the best of decisions. Pakistani Blue COYB

25 Aug 2013 14:37:46
Anyone think we should sign moses play him out left and drop osman and play peanuts in his position

Moses would be great for us, I would sell Fellaini(clearly does not want to play for us) and sign McCarthy and Moses.

Peanuts at CDM? Admittedly he couldn't be worse than osman's been so far but I'd drop them both for gibbo(when fit) and delefou(when adjusted)

25 Aug 2013 13:05:41
I was at the game yesterday and shouted my voice raw throughout, mainly at the ref for such an appalling display of poor decisions. I felt pretty down afterwards, as I'm sure a lot of other blues did too, but after thinking about it for a while, there was not a lot our boys could do, having practiced a free flowing passing style all summer, against a team that were clearly turning up to gum up the works and go home happy with a draw. Let's face it, West Brom got what they wanted, but mainly through luck at times. Yes, there were some lazy moments from players, but they were expecting to control the game more and set a tempo they could build on, but the baggies slowed things down at every turn. While I do have some concerns over certain players performance, this kind of over caution and over thinking is natural at the start of the season, especially when you're trying to adapt to a new style of play. Despite what RM might say, I think Moyes callous words have unsettled players at the club, but not just Baines and Felli. If all us fans feel betrayed by Moyes, imagine how the players feel. RM's comments about the whole affair were bang on and show what a true thinker and professional he is. While I don't think that RM used his subs well yesterday, replacing like for like (not necessarily in quality though, before I get jumped on about that by the Naismith lynch mob!) in a system that wasn't really working against West Brom was a mistake. However, I don't think RM had many options, as the area he needed to strengthen was midfield, which had gaps you could drive a bus through. This just highlights how much we miss Gibbo and how much we need another CM or two. Distin, as now the oldest CD in the league had a tremendous game and doesn't show any signs of slowing. There are positives to take from yesterday, blues and I fully support the squad and Martinez, because hey that's what we're supposed to do as fans and he's a damn sight better than a lot of other managers out there. At least give him until January before calling for his head. So far we're undefeated! COYB!

We cany afford to wait till january--sack martinez now-he got wigan relegated playing the same system

Nice post only. eloquently stated.jcl

25 Aug 2013 18:33:21
Yes! That's it! Because he got wigan relegated that automatically means we are going down too! Yes that's how football works everybody knows this, grow up mate get real because reality is his system is better than moyes!

25 Aug 2013 12:23:45
Come on guys what we needed yesterday was someone to be clinical and put the ball in the back of the net.
sell fellaini and get a striker!

Fellaini hit the post! If he'd have scored you'd be saying he was the best thing since sliced bread, Get a grip!

Thats absolutely what we need. My post yesterday said why did we waste 6 million on Kone? That has probably pi**ed Anichebe off now he has slipped down the pecking order just when he was showing some form. If Martinez does not rate Anichebe, he should have sold him for say 2-3 million then put that money with the 6 million spent on Kone. We also have a bit left from TV to spend. We could have got a 10 - 15 million striker without having to sell Baines or Felli.
Degsypulford

25 Aug 2013 11:00:47
Hi guy gunner fan here, David Moyes is then biggest hypocrite going he says Rooney going no where but tells you guys to let Baines and big hair sign for manchester united lot must be really sick of seeing his face on the news banging on about your players I hope you keep both of them and good luck for the season {Ed025's Note - your right about moyes mate, our fans have lost all respect for him, and good luck to the gooners, your a proper club..

25 Aug 2013 10:44:13
I think Barry would be the perfect addition. I would play him and Barkley in CM and Fellaini playing off the striker as he is a real threat and our top goal scorer last season. I think Barry and Barkley would complement each ther very nicely.

25 Aug 2013 10:11:41
Clean sheet and unlucky the ball never went in the back of the net - another day it could of been 3 goals - we have potentially dropped 4 points.
22 shots on 8 on target 14 off.

So what can we deduce from these stats as being blindingly obvious - even this early into what is clearly a work in progress for RM?
Unhappy-Camper

25 Aug 2013 09:52:22
Hi any idea why Oviedo has wasnt in the squad? He looked during pre season!
Can we complain to the fa about moyes conduct! Speaking about other clubs players as he is shouldn't be tolerated!
Cheers ed

25 Aug 2013 01:37:14
I didn't see the game today so I have had to rely reports I've read on here and elsewhere on the net. however, have we forgotten, with the exception of last year, everton are notorious for being slow starters. Coupled with the fact that we have a new manager, trying to implement a new style of football, largely with the same players from last season. it's inevitable that there will be some bumps in the road. indeed this season may not produce the results we hope for. however there are some positives to take: we do have some very good players. not including felli. who I think will go anyway (just my opinion) jagielka, distin, mirallas, baines, Barkley, stones, Oviedo, Gibson (when fit). that's a decent core. I also include Ozzie, but il get to that in a minute. Kone and Alcatraz are still to be proven in our side but kone netted quite a few last year. with that core talent and a good batch of youngsters unmentioned here. the future looks promising IMHO. I've heard lots of calls about loyalty. mainly with respect to DM (who has cooked his goose as far as I am concerned), yet in the same breath there are numerous people calling for Ozzie to be benched or sold etc. some loyalty that. him and tony hibbo I admire for their complete professionalism and sportsmanship, and the fact that they have always given 110% for the cause. never mouthing off or complaining. and always appreciative of the life the lead and the fans that pay to follow them. so I think we should cut Ozzie some slack. remember old dog new tricks. no doubt RM is trying new things with him. Finally I ain't bobs biggest fan. but already some 'fans' calling him out. let's get real. it may get worse before it gets better but give the man a chance before you have him drawn and quartered. let's show our LOYALTY and RESPECT and behave the way the we would have liked. scrub that. EXPECTED DM to behave.jcl

Dont agree with evberything you say. However, loyalty re Ossie and Hibbo. you are spot on. I can't believe some fans. Here are two players who have given nothing but 110% every game. One of them is not really a great footballer, but I just love him sliding in and taking player and ball into the hoardings. BRILLIANT! A proper tackler!
Degsypulford

Firstly you have wrote a good post.We are all sitting in the same boat, we want our team to go forward. I will be totally honest in saying that at I would only use Ozzie and Hibbert as a last resorts. Reasons being, starting with Hibbo . the difference between him and Seamus is simple, their poles apart. WHY, Kyle Wailker (spurs ) Raffiell, (man utd) Ivanavic, (chelsea) Johson, (liverpool) Sagna, (arsenal) Zabelleta, (man ciy). Seamus is as good if not better than all of them.and now ozzie.for starters this not in any way a personal attack on ozzie as he has always been nothing but a true proffesional at our club.ozzie is a tide little player but that's where it ends.no power no pace which is now what is needed in this league.look at the teams above us would he play in centre midfield for them.if the answer is no then how are we ever going to progress.again this is just my oppion.and not in anyway wrote to offend anyone let's hope we get 3 points next week. would like to hear any of your views on this.COYB.

'last resorts'! DM had Leon Osman in his team. Martinez comes along and has Leon Osman in his team. Hodson picks Leon Osman in his international team and you think we should use him as our last resort! This is why your not a football manager mate! Last resort my a**

Moyes won NOTHING. hodson NOTHING. sacked at liverpool as supporters new he was a joke.he, s a joke as our countrys manager.seems as though your set your sights on 40 points mate.might just be me but I would like to see trophys and top players.and not just last resorts.

Why as moyes not put in a bidd for our england interntional (osman) may be he"s frightend he may get out bidd my jose at chelsea or pellegrini at man city or even avb at spurs and brendon knows it would cause murder on merseyside if he entered the race.sorry mate he is the last resort.some people will always be happy with 2nd 3rd or 4th its in there make up.and some are born winners sorry mate mine is the later.

Well football is about opinions. My opinion is that Hibbert and Ossie is what Everton is about. I have always preferred home grown players. End of.
Degsypulford

Jcl here. some great points from all you guys. I agree that we do need some new faces. IMO midfield and striker. but maybe some of this could be addressed with our current squad to a certain extent. although we do need greater numbers. Just a thought. Dm bought Oviedo because of his versatility. apparently he can play left back or in midfield. from what I have seen so far Oviedo, although, lightweight, looks a very good player. so isn't it worth throwing him in midfield in place of pienar? Also mirallas has played striker before I believe when in Greece. why not try that . In any case the main point I was originally tying to make is that there will be a settling in period and patience and loyalty are needed. and finally Ozzie may not be world class but as I said he and hibbo have been wonderful players . not great footballers. but wonderful players and should be treated as they deserve. give Ozzie benefit of the doubt. Jcl

Yeah of course, cause we're going to play Osman we're not going to be winners anymore and we're going to get 40 points lol. Some of you lot make me laugh. Moyes got the United job cause he knows what he's doing! I'm afraid Leon Osman won't be last resort this season under Martinez aswell cause these people are football managers and not fickle football fans. Chelsea, United, Man City etc wouldn't bid for Leon Osman cause for starters he's 32 and for seconds they have millions and millions of pounds to spend. We don't. Why I need to explain that to you defeats me.

P.s. Degsy I am with you. Ozzie and gibbon are fans who happen to also play for the club. they epitomize how any of us would play. given the chance

The reason no one wants Osman is because he's not good enough. Good enough for us whilst Gibbo is injured but should be no more than a bit-part player now, he doesn't affect games enough.
Fair enough he's been a great servant and a model professional but he's had his day.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks, especially so when they're not your dogs.

Well then roll on 40 points.this year and for many more years to come. so we can make the numbers up in the premier league.so the main thing is we stay up. now praying our manager and chairman get together sell felli and baines.then anounce.we have given new 10year contracts to both ozzie and hibbo.and you will all be happy. in life thers winners and losers we seem to have a lot of losers why do you think rooney (winner) wanted out he is now as bags of medals.oh and just to remind you all mr osman and mr hibbert are multi millionaires .oh yet it slipped my mind they deserve it because of there loylty . loylty mate is following your club week in week out on 25 grand a year and running a home and looking after a family. not earning in excess of 50 grand a week

'Chelsea, United, Man City etc wouldn't bid for Leon Osman cause for starters he's 32 and for seconds they have millions and millions of pounds to spend. We don't. Why I need to explain that to you defeats me.'

What a pompous, arrogant little toad!
You know more about football than anyone else, your opinion is more valid? Everyone else is a fool?
Have a word with yourself ya whopper

Sorry but the lads who are saying osman is not good enough are right. we all must agree to that we have seen a massive improvement at right back coleman has everything. tony x leon should now be squad players.or move to the championship. so they can play out there days and still offer something.

25 Aug 2013 00:05:25
moyes has really rocked our boat! he got the job he wanted by using us as his stepping stone and now it looks like he doesn't want roberto or anyone else being a success at everton to make him look even better! silly bids for our main men! then telling the media he still as of now speaks to our chairman at least twice a week if not more on friendly terms! trying to upset bobby their I think!as for the game! we didn't turn up! mirralas poor!osman poor!pinnear average! felli half hearted!jelli lost!average, but at least tried! naismith proper rubbish and should be thrown back up to the rangers lot!seamus good! bainsey good and barkers a bright light worth paying to watch, but a bit raw but boy can he play!

Aaah - the power of positive thinking!
Happy-Camper.

24 Aug 2013 23:43:28
I know it's a new manager, new system and all that, but I can't help but see these first 2 games as 4 points dropped. I look back on last season and think that draws cost us UCL football. Martinez needs time but how long do you give him? I'm not in any way suggesting that we sack him, I like the man, but in all honesty, how many Evertonians will be happy if we finish something like 10th/11th? I know I certainly won't, I want Everton to be at the top (I know that's not realistic at the moment). It's early days I know but we do need to start taking 3 points.

I would be happy to finish 10th if it meant we're going to do better in the future as I believe in Roberto, as fans we need to understand and be patient with what Roberto is trying to do, yes we're going to get days like today but in the future we're going to be a very good team.

24 Aug 2013 22:36:07
I have nothing positive to say about about Moyes but I did think we were done with those negative tactics. Home vs Baggins only the nineteen year old looks a threat, well maybe the fullbacks. Tied with 20 minutes left and 3 players in the penalty area for a corner? No beautiful game or ambition today.

Can we at least try to win at home against team's like WBA before we become one of those trying to stay in the top 17 places.

Kev and Pienaar are going to attack more or this 11 in this formation are going to be less fun to watch than I was hoping for. Come on RM shake it up and add some creativity we want and need you to succeed.

Big Bald Blue

24 Aug 2013 22:25:17
They beat us 2-0 last season aswel

24 Aug 2013 21:57:58
Fellaini is off. Not got a rubbish source, but I was at the game today. He couldn't even be bothered trying to find room to recieve the ball from throw ins.
His body was at Goodison today, his mind was at Old Trafford.