Everton Banter Archive March 25 2016

 

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25 Mar 2016 18:28:24
My god I hope everyones wrong bout martinez staying we a new injection of style of play because what we have now isn't working middle of the table isn't what us fans want and why if its true is kenwright in control if I put 200mil into a club i'd want control over ins and outs.

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{Ed002's Note - Putting aside the figure which is far from correct, an Iranian businessman is not the person to be making decisions on who the club will be buying and selling.}

25 Mar 2016 21:25:44
Tbone61efc, do you mean ins and outs in terms of managers or players?

I agree with changing Martinez obviously but I have to agree with Ed002 I'd be a bit nervous if our new owner / investor started picking players. Don't care how much money he has it would never work. I kinda recall Chelsea signing certain players under orders which didn't work out. They obviously had success since they were took over.

In fairness to him I don't think that's his intention. He seems both decent and genuine and in Bill I do trust. The future is bright. I'm full of optimism for our future. The new owner / investor has added some life and a good feel about Everton F. C.

The sleeping giant just might awaken soon. Looking forward to it!

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26 Mar 2016 06:13:28
Er, that last line sent shivers down my spine.
Didn't he actually die a horrible death in 'Jack and the Beanstalk'?
With RM in charge next season watch the sequel.

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25 Mar 2016 17:33:26
Why are we all talking about a new manager if it looks like he is going nowhere what's the point unless Edd knows different.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of Everton making any efforts at this time to look for a new manager. I suspect that there will be discussions at the end of the season and the club will consider what options it has. Those discussions may well include Roberto Martinez.}

25 Mar 2016 16:34:31
Ed25, think I'm going to kill someone.

Just read that kenwright has been praising Martinez, and Martinez praising kenwright.

Kenwright to play big part in summer transfers, ok then Roberts just needs to sit down and go through them, they are talking about £150 mill to spen which is good.

Use some and get rid of roberto. Can't take one more season with him.

He ain't going by the looks of it😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡.

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{Ed002's Note - As I have said before I am not aware of plans to replace him at this time. As for the £150M does that include money from sales?}

25 Mar 2016 16:43:33
No ed it's just what the echo reported, but if players are sold it probably will go back into it. Just said kitty of £150 mill.

What is bill doing. He has to go I calmed down after a few days and seen this and my blood is boiling.

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{Ed002's Note - I suspect his role will be in the negotiations - he won't be deciding on the players.}

25 Mar 2016 16:53:27
Ed what is wrong with Bill praising someone who lost 8 home games and season ain't finished.

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{Ed002's Note - The club are good enough to support their players and the manager.}

25 Mar 2016 17:21:17
With a bit of luck it is a good old fashioned vote of confidence before giving Roberto the sack we all hope so. Although I do believe that our chairman does like Martinez for some reason.

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25 Mar 2016 21:02:00
Ask yourselves did Bill get the best deal for our club or the best deal for Bill?

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26 Mar 2016 02:50:03
he fans will just have to make sure the board hear us am sure they will realise we don't won't him

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26 Mar 2016 10:20:47
Agree muff, I wouldn't give Martinez £150 mill then 5-10 games in sack him, that means new manager will have to play with his players, get new manager and his players.

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26 Mar 2016 12:51:59
I was criticised for saying I will not be renewing my season ticket BUT if all did not renew by cut off date THEN THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO ACT.

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25 Mar 2016 10:25:28
Bretto suggested Flores as a new manager a couple of days ago and didn't get much support. The guy has won the Europa, got to QF of Champions League and he's got flair and a bit of steel in the right proportions. He's doing well in the Prem considering he's managing a newly promoted side. Only problem is he's had about 8 clubs in 10 years, and sometimes leaves in weird circumstances, but still might be a good shout. Would love Koeman or Bilic but realistically I don't know what we're offering that they haven't already got, so I don't see either of those happening. Unai Emery is unlikely but would be a real statement and might be tempted by the Prem. Marcelino of Villareal could be good for us. Lucien Favre, who would have been my favourite to succeed Moyes, is without a club and is brilliant but maybe a bit of a loose cannon. Who would be better AND realistic?

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{Ed002's Note - Moyes, Mancini, Poyet.}

25 Mar 2016 12:12:22
Moyes won an egg and spoon race when he was 9?

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25 Mar 2016 11:07:23
I really do appreciate you realism, Ed. Surely Favre is not beyond us? What about Gourvennec from Guingamp? He's apparently out of contract at the end of the season and has done wonders for them without as far as I've heard attracting the top Champions League clubs? What about Paul Clement? Bizzarely sacked by Derby for doing too well and being too ambitious but great experience.

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{Ed002's Note - Lucien Favre would be a great choice - a well respected manager and a really nice guy. Right now I don't know what his plans are but I do know that he has turned down two opportunities, one in the EPL. Whether he will be interested in a job in the summer or not is yet to be seen. Gourvennec would not be a likely option having also turned down an offer from the EPL last summer. However, there is interest in him from a French side. Paul Clement would be another who would be a very good choice in my view. He is a very good coach and again a nice guy.}

25 Mar 2016 12:46:32
Poyet? No, just no. Bad ed. haha.

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{Ed002's Note - I think you will find Gus has done OK in his management career.}

25 Mar 2016 13:27:33
I heard that Gourvennec wanted to give Guingamp another year so signed an extension till this summer. That sounded quite noble to me. Are you saying he will stay with them even longer unless a bigger / Champs League club comes knocking, cause that hasn't happened even with all the movement there has been at big clubs.

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{Ed002's Note - EAG would like him to stay longer but are aware that there is interest in him from another French side. I expect he will see the season out and consider his options.}

25 Mar 2016 14:02:25
I think Clement would need more experience before we looked at him, it's one thing being an assistant, albeit at one of the biggest clubs in the world, but he hasn't proved too much as the main man as yet. He done quite well at Derby at first but is that enough to give him the job if RM does go? I might be being a bit harsh as the Derby board seem to be a bit trigger happy, possibly too much interference, but I'd like our next manager to have a lot more experience if we are going to step up a level. Should be an interesting summer.

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25 Mar 2016 14:05:45
I hope we're one of them. Go out on a limb, Ed. If you were in charge of our club, who would be top of your target list? I'm assuming here that you wouldn't keep Martinez.

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{Ed002's Note - One real standout right now is Italian Roberto Stellone and another is German Roger Schmidt.}

25 Mar 2016 14:29:28
Thanks Ed. Not too familiar with them but I'll have a look.

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{Ed002's Note - There are a whole bunch of young coaches and managers with growing reputations - in France, Jocelyn Gourvennec as mentioned, Willy Sagnol and Olivier Echouafni have growing reputations. Although not so young, Philippe Montanier is gaining a lot of respect. Spain, the stand out attracting attention is Diego Simeone but he won't be moving. Murat Yakin is one resting after a spell in Russia. The Netherlands has the likes of De Boer and Phillip Cocu. Elsewhere Laudrup, Petrescu, Hutter and Markus Weinzierl are well thought of. I would also not be surprised if Julen Lopetegui and Leonardo Jardim don't get noticed by some of the very high end clubs in the not too distant future. Paulo Sousa (Fiorentina) is getting great press right now but the pick in Italy is Eusebio Di Francesco (Sassuolo) who looks like he will be getting a very good offer at the end of next season.}

25 Mar 2016 12:29:28
Ed I really appreciate your honesty but my question was not only who would be realistic but who would be better. I don't believe any of those would be better than my suggestions, even if you think they are the most likely. Surely Favre is not beyond us when he doesn't have a job? What about Paul Clement, also without a club and bizarrely sacked for being on course to win promotion. He has great experience at Real Madrid and looked good as a manager. My favourite is Jocelyn Gourvennec of Guingamp, whose contract is up this summer and looks like a future great.

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{Ed002's Note - I have answered already about each of those.}

25 Mar 2016 15:00:21
Thanks Ed - reat knowledge as ever. I've had a bit of a look at your first suggestions, but while I'm sure Stellone has a great future, he seems a bit inexperienced with less than one season in a top flight competition. I appreciate what he appears to have done with his club, but wouldn't this be a very steep learning curve for him? I've seen Leverkusen but hadn't made the connection with Schmidt. Their style of play is almost the exact opposite of ours and while it might be a very good thing for our team to up the tempo, the players would surely take a while to adapt to his methods. Isn't that a bit risky? Agree totally with Jardim and Di Francesco - would love one of them. De Boer definitely but thought he would be very much a long shot and I understood Cocu was committed for another year - we could be relegated by then!

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{Ed002's Note - Stellone is seen by many in the know to be very much on the rise and has really worked wonders with Frosinone.}

25 Mar 2016 15:18:15
Yes I know. I sent this hours ago.

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25 Mar 2016 15:52:29
Only had a brief look through the rest of your posts/ comments ed (will enjoy reading it in full now) your knowledge is impressive and realism admirable as you consider things on a factual basis. I just think Poyets style can be a bit abrasive and over strict and while I don't disagree exactly with his methods I believe players can react quite badly to it. While there might not seem to be much else to upset I think he could upset the apple cart a bit. I think he is better suited to the foreign leagues. Personally, i'd be quite disappointing if we appointed him. But hey. I wanted Martinez!

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{Ed002's Note - You are sort of right about Gus Poyet. He can become overly emotional and that is not necessarily a good thing.}

25 Mar 2016 23:53:12
I just wanted throw another name out there and he done well with average side.

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25 Mar 2016 09:03:12
I had bit of banter a month or two back about the harm RM was doing to our club and I suggested that even relegation was a possibility. although very unlikely. We are now only 2 points above Swansea and our run in consists of Man Utd, Watford, Crystal Palace, Liverpool, Leicesterand Sunderland away. All of these are difficult games. We have Southampton, Bornemouth and Norwich at home. and we all know our home form. Whilst I do not see us getting relegated, I do foresee next season being a real test. I hear people saying we have our best squad and he mis manages it. I disagree. I think our squad is unbalanced and relies on 2 players being in form and one player who is quite frankly past it but the best we have. Yes I will get the usual criticism forbeing negative but my football view is that we willstruggle to stay in this division next season. We need 5 or 6 first team players signing in order to challenge at the top. Particularly in the creative midfield positions. Replacing Jags, Barry and either Cleverly or McCarthy with a bit more flair will improve us no end. but where do we get the players? I am not sure about the keeper although he is an improvement on Howard. Perhaps tactics are part of the problem? A new manager seems necessary. This is all big upheaval for our club. let's hope we can manage it.

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25 Mar 2016 10:27:42
Have to agree Degsy our players are not as good as most think.

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25 Mar 2016 12:31:37
At the start of the season had we compared our players to Leicester then there would only be one outcome. The reality is so much different not because of the players but the the way these assets are used.

When supporters, players and pundits all say that we're underachieving then the chances are we're all correct.

We have quality players worth enormous transfer fees which clubs are prepared to pay.

So it's not so much overhype as it is underperforming.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree ace..

25 Mar 2016 12:55:12
Have to agree, I reckon we need about 8 new players next season. A new goalkeeper as Robles is not top class, another centre half.2 central midfielders as Barry is getting older and Macarthey is vey overated in my view. We need replacements for Osman and Pienar as they are getting older. Up front we need at least 2 forwards even if Lukaku stays,3 if he does not.
Then we have to bed these players into the squad, a very big job, we need major surgery as Martinez has made such a mess of our club.
Whoever takes over will need some time.

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25 Mar 2016 12:56:29
I disagree. Its the defensive aspect that's an issue not attack. We have the same defense as we did with moyes minus distin plus mori and stones. Can you say mori and stones are that bad, that the aging of distin has causex a total loss of defensive abilities? Would you rather had the sqaud moyes had ( in the age and abilities they had at the time) ? Can you honestly say the group of players are worthy of losing 8 home games and being in the bottom half of the table? Maybe our players are overrated, but that extent? We may aswell sell our entire defense this summer if yes are the answers to the questions above.

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25 Mar 2016 23:36:33
Totally agree with Toffee Ace and Blue-tit. Degsypulford, you serious? Replacing Jags, Barry and McCarthy or Cleverly with flair?

Those players are about the only grit we have bar Besic. Every team needs that. Utd had Keane who imo was the glue that kept the team together.

I get what your saying that we are over estimating the true strength of our team but imho it's mostly down to Martinez.

New manager in who knows what he's doing and doesn't allow the team to concede so easily and god knows where we would be. a lot better off.

Manager who tries to get the best out of his players. Blue-tit makes some very good points. We are totally underachieving. All the people that say so can't be wrong. Too many are in agreement that we are underachieving for it to be false.

New man in charge is what we need but BK is making all the noises that points to Martinez being here for awhile yet. Wouldn't be surprised if he is the manager next season.

I'm convinced he'll get himself sacked by insisting on his tactics and team selection / subs being kept.

Don't like dissing our own manager but I'm fed up of his crap.

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26 Mar 2016 13:56:11
Im the same about disding our manager and do not agree withe the quick fire blame the manager/ sack the manager culture in modern football. BUT.

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