26 Dec 2014 23:19:32
I left 5 mins before end of the Stoke match did the same against hull could see we weren't going 2 score if we played till tomorrow.
Shocking, shambles, clueless but Martinez is adamant he's going to continue with same style of play no matter what.
We were full strength today so no excuses we were beaten by an ale house team who had a comfortable easy victory without having to really work for it.
The team look absolutely knackered & were only halfway through a long hard season.
7 defeats already & it ain't going to get any easier with visiting teams setting their stall out to frustrate & stifle the martinez way. it's worked a treat with only villa & Qpr being beaten so far @ Goodison.
Doesn't need a genius to work out were in a relegation battle needing another 21 pts to stay up.
Mind u Martinez would know all about that didn't he get Wigan relegated before he replaced Moyes.
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26 Dec 2014 22:38:50
I honestly can't remember a game this season were I was impressed with the performance.
From preseason to now we have been pretty much a shambles and our home performances have been as bad as I can remember.
Everyone is talking about plan b but I'd just like to see a proper plan a!
I appologised last season for not giving bobby a chance. I fear he is proving the doubters right and tactics like putting 3 number 10's on a pitch and constantly changing lineups are not going to help. We are closer to 18th than 8th.
I wouldn't say he's been found out as he didn't hide anything in the first place. He just plays the same way game after game and even comes out saying he's not going to change.
I think he would be great for west ham or newcastle who believe good football is about a shed load of passing. Everton is about winning football matches and how its done has nowt to do with it and if you need to change your style mid way through a game you change it. "We won't change our style" well 40,000 blues today disagreed bobby.
Sort it out and become a tactician instead of a one trick pony!
NSNO
Totally agree on plan A. what is it?
Many many JD's later and I'm still so p'd off with Martinez. Every single prem manager knows how to nullify, negate or stifle (take your pick) our one and only game plan which makes us a joke to watch and play against.
I'd estimate at least 25000 people in the ground today would know exactly how to upset the apple cart. So if it's that easy why can't Martinez see it and change tactics.
Yes, the crowd are easy to turn against our own team and the opposition know it and use it but who the hell can blame them. We have seen this magic and majestic way of playing and it's crap.
I have seen many many matches where we lost, but the fight was there and you knew (and could see and appreciate) what and where things were going.
This time. no.
Not a flicker.
And what's worse is the players don't seem to know either.
To our fans I would suggest Stop blaming the players. Yes, their performances are very poor. But they do have some skill and have not lost it since last season. Training regimes may be taking something away but the real culprit has to be Martinez.
The master plan he has is not and obviously cannot work with this group of players,,, . so stop it now,,,, before it's too late. Play and train to their strengths.
It is not the referees fault. It is not bad luck. It is not the 'occasion' - whatever that may be. It is not injuries. It is not the stats.
It is Martinez
It is his fault.
So Martinez:
Get off your high horse and adapt before you get pushed.
Stop blaming everyone and everything else.
26 Dec 2014 22:18:04
The problem arose earlier in the season when players became so brainwashed into playing that possession football across the back 4 that we forgot how to attack
Now we're trying to attack a bit more but we've forgotten how to do it - so we stutter about the place going nowhere
Confidence is shot to pieces - players like Coleman look shadows of their former selves
I think our main problem might be the attacking midfielder link role - it's so important for that player to be on his game and provide the supply link to the forward - unfortunately Barkley has also gone backwards and looks like a five million pound player - rather than a fifty million pound player - think that ship has sailed
26 Dec 2014 20:35:13
So, Howard is unlikely to be fit for Sunday, which means that Robles will be in goal.
Jagielka is also unlikely to be fit and Stones is apparently struggling to be fit, so Distin and Alcaraz are likely to be our centre-backs. That's unless RM blows a gasket and plays some others - like Barry - there! Whoever RM selects, they have all shown they've got a mistake in them and we're certain to ship goals.
Naismith is suspended, so, while RM can't play him alongside other number 10s (which is something I suppose!), we will miss his energy. Barkley or Eto'o will probably play (ineffectively) out wide or some others (like Pienaar) will be brought back from injury too soon.
Mirallas is also apparently struggling to be fit, so our attacking potential - such as it is (!) - is likely to be severely limited. Maybe RM will put Lukaku wide right and put Kone up top - with little chance of us scoring let alone creating opportunities.
Coleman and Baines, if current form is anything to go by, will provide little of note as an attacking threat out wide.
No doubt RM will select another team of square pegs in round holes against Newcastle United and they'll fail to deliver just as his other team selections have this season. I expect us to be destroyed and Pardew to be unbearably smug post-match.
I have tendered my resignation from the "RM Appreciation Society" - can I get a refund for the remainder of my membership fee?
{Ed025's Note - im not accepting that sid...give it 6 weeks mate, and if things are still a shambles...then i will join you..
Ed025: fair enough. Today's 26th December, so six weeks hence is 6th February. The following day is the derby, so let's see where we stand after that match. Deal?
{Ed025's Note - deal mate..
26 Dec 2014 20:24:53
Whatever else you might think of Bill Kenwright, I accept he is, if nothing else, an evertonian. He appointed martinez on an interview, or on a hunch or on the recomendation of others, I don't know, but as the man had just taken his side to relegation, it was brave, and at first it seemed to vindicate his decision. However, it is obvious, the man is out of his depth at a major club. It takes a big man to admit he was wrong, I just hope Bill will be that big man and not let his pride stand in the way of what must be done to secure, our long term future, as one of this country's top clubs.
{Ed025's Note - its a bit early in the piece for that JCW, im confident bobby can turn it around mate..
Ed025: I no longer have your faith in RM. I was a massive fan, but I can't argue with performances and especially results. As far as I'm concerned, once a manager starts blaming refereeing decisions for pretty much every defeat then he's on the slippery slope. The players aren't good enough or fit enough, the tactics are too easily countered by the opposition, the manager has no flexibility, the fans are frustrated, and BK and the board have some tough thinking ahead of them.
Just as RM could set up a Wigan team to win FA Cup matches, he has set up our team to do well in Europa League matches (although we've certainly ridden our luck).
However, RM couldn't prevent his Wigan team from getting the required Premier League results and performances to avoid relegation. How soon before our players' morale is so low that we get an absolute tonking from a halfway decent Premier League team?
{Ed025's Note - i see what your saying sid...but i say give him a chance to turn it around mate...and if not then im with you..
Sid, just a thought but do you think our relative success in Europe was, as last season in the Prem, our setup and tactics were 'unknown' and caught the opposition off guard?
Fancy Smith: in part. However, last season when teams in the Premier League played a more physical game, pressed us high, and attacked us with pace, then we were exposed. Every club has extensive scouting, so even our Europa League opponents would know how we set up and play, so we wouldn't be a surprise as such. We've had good Europa League results, but we've ridden our luck in most of those matches imho. For me, the worry is that RM doesn't appear to change our approach - or make meaningful substitutions - when the opposition seem to be coping with our initial approach. I don't want kick-and-rush direct long-ball tactics, but the occasional use of this alongside our passing possession game wouldn't go amiss - and better play with set pieces (defending and attacking) would be good as well. Either way, our players are showing themselvees as not good enough to play how RM insists - and/or RM can't adapt the tactics and formation and team selection to make better use of the available players. We showed last season that we can perform well and get results against good opposition, but this season we just aren't delivering. And that - whatever the limitations of our players - is down to the manager: end of!
26 Dec 2014 19:55:04
Ed25 you jokingly referred to Sid, Degsy & me as the three Maggis ( The Three Wise Men from biblical times). Drawing on another proverbial saying 'if Mohammed (RM) won't come to the mountain ( the 3 WM), then the mountain must go to Mohammed'.
To this end, any chance of influencing the setting up of a meeting?
{Ed025's Note - if i could then i would fancy..the only problem would be degsy trying to get ossie the captaincy and a new 12yr contract mate.. :)
I thought Maggi made those stock/boullion cubes? Very appropriate, as our team are right in the soup ;-)
If you meant the Magi (three wise men), then we should be bearing gifts: gold (to fund a new stadium and a squad overhaul), frankenstein (which is what RM usually creates when he selects an unbalanced team), and mirth (for reacting to all the BS spouted y RM and the players pre-match and post-match).
{Ed025's Note - love it sid..
Seriously Ed Roberto needs to be made aware of this forum. Reading the blogs might save his bacon!
{Ed025's Note - im sure he knows what the fans think fancy, he has to implement a plan B mate...or he will be up the road..
RM is sticking to his principles, which may be laudable in many ways, but his job is to bring success to Everton and if that means adapting his approach, then he'd better do so - and do it before it's too late. A few scrappy wins would be welcome to the majority of supporters at the moment imho - and then we can get back to performing more expansively, as long as we get results by playing that way. Whatever RM does, he needs to get us winning - no matter how we play for that. Problem for me is that RM won't do anything that he thinks compromises his belief in only scoring through perfect open play - which is the road to our damnation as a Premier League club.
26 Dec 2014 19:41:43
Unless he was injured Besic must be demoralized at not even making the bench. Not deserved after recent performances.
{Ed025's Note - unless he is carrying a knock tedster, otherwise i agree with you mate he must be gutted..
26 Dec 2014 19:29:19
Oh god no; that was awful; I do not remember a single shot on goal. Not good enough efc/rm. It ain't working change the tactics. Stoke no real good chances on goal and they won by a penalty. Simply efc not good enough and have not been in the EPl this season. I had an ex lfc employee ripping the rubbish out of me yesterday and what can I say tonight to retaleate. Nothing :-(
{Ed025's Note - tough times zulu, and the only one who can fix it is bobby mate..
26 Dec 2014 19:39:11
RM whinging about referreing decisons again! Yeah - we might have been hard done by, but we had the entire match to put the ball in the opposition net and get a result.
RM spoke about the injuries affecting us. Yeah - we were disrupted, but we should have a squad that's prepared to compete and perform and get a result.
Teams might suffer with bad luck or bad decisions during certain matches, but over an entire season it's the worst teams - those that lose more than they win - that eventually get relegated.
To have raised our hopes and expectations last season only to be followed by this season's failings is all the more disappointing. Even the good results in the Europa League came in matches where our performances had plenty of warning signs of our weaknesses - individually and as a team.
26 Dec 2014 18:44:03
Joe Royle anyone?
Yes please. Something. Anything.
Why was Besic not even on the bench?
The standard of the refereeing today has given Martinez yet another excuse he can hide behind.
Two forced substitutions is unfortunate but from my seat there seemed to be a competition to be the first to leave the field, obviously Jags and Howard played the seniority card.
The system we play depends on keeping the ball and moving forward at our own pace. Works brilliantly in training. Martinez hasn't figured out yet that on match days the people in the non-blue kit are allowed to kick the ball. Can one of our coaches please give him a heads up?
Martinez also tends to hide a lot behind the stats. The trouble is you can read anything into stats. However, the only stat that really counts is the one were the opposition has a higher number in the 'goals for' column than we do. Can one of our statisticians please give him a heads up?
Big Joe is on the staff. He knows the players. He watches the same crap we do. He must have an idea or two.
Surely not everyone at Goodison or Finch Farm can be blind to the fact that we are really in trouble?
At what stage and what position in the table do we have to be in before someone in the corridors of power grows a pair and shouts enough is enough with this one-season one-system wonder?
{Ed025's Note - good post that mac..
If the worst comes to the worst and results don't improve, I would love big Joe back.
Didn't take him long to steady the ship and win a trophy.
26 Dec 2014 18:41:17
I hate it when RM selects players out of their best position - square pegs in round holes - AND I hate it when he rotates-out in-form players just to rotate-in under-forming players AND I especially hate it when he isn't ruthless enough to justifyingly drop out-of-form players.
I'm also baffled by how unfit - i.e. tired or carrying niggling injuries - our players seem to be. What are our fitness coaches, physios, and medical staff doing?
As others have posted, this season is a write-off and the sooner we can move on the better inho.
:-(
26 Dec 2014 18:37:40
Have refrained from anything than positives about RM although I didn't want him and actually posted, 'We are dead' ten minutes after his appointment was made.
I got massive slatings for that and for 18 months I have watched and read posts reaching nearly orgasmic proportions about his revolutionary style, enough however is enough.
We have allowed a candidate for the job who had 'Relegation of Wigan FC' as his final CV statement to week in and week out to Bull Sh*t his way through post match interviews after dreadful performances.
Supporters can see through him, the players can and more importantly our opponents know how easy it is to stop us playing.
For those old enough to remember 'The Kings New Clothes, ' is Bill Kenwright not just like the stupid King who was conned by those rogue traders who promised him robes made out of the finest gold and silk (Champions League!)?
The Kings New Clothes: by Danny Kay
Now Saturday came and the streets were just lined with thousands, and thousands, and thousands of people, and they all were cheering as the artillery came by, the infantry marched by, the cavalry galloped by. And everybody was cheering like mad, except one little boy.
You see, he hadn't heard about the magic suit and
didn't know what he was supposed to see. Well, as the King came by the little boy looked and, horrified, said,
"Look at the King! Look at the the King! Look at the King, the King, the King!
The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
He's all together as naked as the day that he was born. The King is in the all together
But all together the all together
It's all together the very least the King has ever
worn."
All the courts positioned to call an intermission
His majesty is wide open to ridicule and scorn.
There is no plan B guys, you got conned.
I like many others saw this coming.
Taxi time.
26 Dec 2014 19:28:41
Very long way of saying I told you so Mushy
26 Dec 2014 18:27:56
Last season we played with a front four of Lukaku up top Barkley in behind him and two wingers in mirallas and either pienaar or Gerry to give width and to combine with the fullbacks. That worked really well. I want to know why Martinez changed that. Naismith and Barkley cannot play out wide, we've seen that. They are rubbish at moving around and dnot combine with the fullbacks. Eto isn't doing it for me at the moment either, and he an Kone should be backup strikers to rom with some rotation between them. One of Naismith and Barkley and only one behind the striker and two wingers out wide. It's clear that we need another starting winger in January and I've heard names like Salah, Janusaj, Gerry, and even Juan mata though he's probably too expensive. Barry has gone off the boil and should be benched for besic who I think is really good. I honestly think that if stones is healthy he needs to start every game and then I don't think a center back is crucial on January. Get back to what we were doing last season and winning the Europa league can salvage this season.
26 Dec 2014 18:12:34
Stokes first clean sheet in 13 matches. Says it all really.
That's Everton! Whatever the opposing team's or players' records are when coming into a fixture against us, you just know they'll get their first win, or first clean sheet, or first goal, or whatever it might be, against us. If I didn't know better, I'd wonder if we were having a few bob on these things happening against us. Is that how we'll fund the new stadium? Has it come to this: sheer fantasy?!?!
:-(
Haha we really are dire. Just when you think the season can't get any worse, it does.
Lucky it's only crap teams like Newcastle and Hull away next.
Hang on, we are going to get battered by both aren't we?
We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
Martinez Out
26 Dec 2014 17:51:09
I have great faith in Bobby and is the man to take us further in the future, let's get behind the team, hope everyone had a good christmas.
Yes wigan said the same thing
26 Dec 2014 18:01:57
faith think they said that at wigan he's got to go
It always spoils Christmas when we lose. Agree with getting behind the team. Hard to support a manager with no gambling instinct and plan B. Post match comments today just excuses again.
26 Dec 2014 17:38:38
Ok, I think that this discussion will rumble on for some time. 7 defeats already, 3 more in short order and that is known relegation form - we are 6 points off the bottom 3. So I ask with steady resolution, what is the way forward to improvement? What are the issues, where are the problems and more important, what are the solutions? Discussion points include:- Manager form, training methods, naive tactics, use of the same tactic, loss of form in indivuals or collectively within the team, individual mistakes, form players not on the pitch, too much reliance on the money players and known lack of options.
I look to some past events that may impact for the current impasse:-
1. Humilation - the disgraceful manner of the England Manager to berate in public a young player. It will have a negative consequence.
2. The weight of expectation - GBP26million paid for an young player was a gamble. Goals have dried up.
3. Acceptance - Some older players now know world cup or Eurpoean glory is now a thing of the past and thus play without passion. They look to play all or some part of the 90 minutes with professionalism but without the hunger for the win.
4. Tedium - Some element of the first team have played collectively together for a few years now. Familarity breeds contempt, they say, but here it is demonstrated by not challenging other players with a pass they feel cannot be won. So play safe and horizontal.
5. Transition - New and younger players are not played consistently long enough and often out of position leading to lack of esteem. As a young guy I wanted to fly and hated being told not too.
It is my day job to see the business situation from all sides and sometimes having to make the hard choices but generally it is to lead a path for staff to aspire to acheive the business targets. No difference for RM. He's got to stand to his beliefs and as the good manger he is, allow his players to aspire. Do they know the target? He's got a ways to go right now or like the baby he will be thrown out with the bathwater.
26 Dec 2014 17:56:51
Very good post TtMan, its just a shame that none of the EFC backroom staff come on here to read this kind of post.
26 Dec 2014 17:34:24
Knee-jerk reaction:
Can anyone seriously see us doing anything at Newcastle United other than being blown away and losing by a hatful?
RM might think our performances are OK, but football is a results business and we need to get the points to finish above three teams in the Premier League. As for the cups, there's no way we can beat any decent teams considering our current form.
It was said that RM would take us places we couldn't have dreamed about. Well, for the first time in over 50 years as a supporter, he's now taken me to a point where I almost just don't care anymore! All the usual pre-match BS from him and the players counts for nothing if they don't deliver on the pitch - and "deliver" means winning, not a catalogue of "should haves", "could haves", and "what ifs".
I am now of a mind that RM is drinking at the last-chance saloon and I'm no longer completely convinced that he's "the right one, the bright one". Such a shame considering last season and our high hopes and expectations at the start of this season.
As I said at the beginning, this is another knee-jerk reaction, but there are only so many such reactions before it becomes chronic rather than knee jerk.
:-(
26 Dec 2014 17:29:58
Oh my god. We are in serious trouble. Injuries, no form, confidence shot, manager with no plan B, refs shafting us at every turn. Forget Top 4 forget top 10, just survive relegation. This season has now officially become a disaster of epic proportions.
26 Dec 2014 17:25:03
It's undoubtedly true, Martinez is a nice guy, so it's with regret, but, he has to go. We are slipping further and further down the Wigan path, and should we fall thought the trap door, it may not be just one season then back up, (A) OUR BEST PLAYERS WILL LEAVE. (B) LACKING THE PREMERSHIP MONEY, WE WOULD RETURN TO FINANCIAL CRISIS, (C) ANY HOPE OF A NEW GROUND WILL VANISH INTO THE DISTANT MIST. Bill, it's time to man up.
Just my sign off will do I think
We are Everton
#Wedontwinanything
That's what we do
Martinez Out
26 Dec 2014 17:49:37
Roberto has to go its not a knee jerk thing.but pure common sense
.god how much more can we take
If we were relegated, we wouldn't recover imho, as we're totally dependent of the Premier League television money to fund the wages of our best players - all of whom would leave anyway - and any decent youngsters would eventually leave just as Rooney did. We'd become another club whose past glories would be long gone and nobody (apart from our diehard fans) would remember - let alone care about - our trophies and history.
Bloody hell - I'm so depressed!
26 Dec 2014 17:23:20
Howard-6-fair enough he conceded a penalty, he still made that save first half that palmed it straight infront of him, lucky jagielka was there. Coleman-5.5-what, seriously, what is he doing, refuses to go forward and was caught out so many times. Stones-6.5-went forward which was nice. Jagielka-6.5-did well defensively but too many wacky clearances. Baines-5.5-terrible at everything, one tackle, one friggin tackle, caught out, lost it and was just not there today, or ever. Mirallas-5.5-no show again, bottles it when going against someone bigger and hasn't beaten anyone since 2012. Mccarthy-6-worked hard, is all. Naismith-6-had one of them games, not in it. Barkley-4-im being generous, didn't beat a man, lost it everytime, its all well and good saying 'he was on the wing' but, thing is, about 99% of the time he came in central, doesn't seem to run back, greedy, i'd take 15m tomorrow, the new jack rodwell. Lukaku-6-tried to make things happen but still not good enough. Joel-6-had nothing to do, least he pushed the team up. Alcaraz-7-before you shoot me, he was our best attacking threat all game, unlucky with a header, aims his clearances and always find someone, came forward and was positive, no one made a move because our team is fall of sh*thouses, pushed us on, a leader, mindblown anyone can prefer bambi over this guy. Eto-6-i love him, I really do but kone should of came on. Gutted, disgusted, bored, heartbroken, most of all, let down. Not good enough from the manager or the players.
Swan: no rating for Barry?
26 Dec 2014 17:50:28
The one thing that got me about Barkley was the amount of touches he had to have just to turn the ball around. he'd just stand there stationary with the ball at his feet, and literally did nothing.
26 Dec 2014 17:55:42
7 for him sid, must of forgotten to put him
Swan I'm sorry we're we watching the same game. Barry was and has been awful this season. He takes ages on the ball and there is no urgency to start move the ball quickly like it did last season. he's got to be one of the main reasons that we are in this spot as we get nothing done when he has the ball. As to the comment about Barkley I hope you were joking. We have him to thank for our only three points fm recent fixtures and it isn't his fault that Martinez insists on playing him and Naismith in the same position so that neither of them have any space. Other than that I agree with the rest of the ratings.
26 Dec 2014 17:22:44
Oh my oh my, both RM and his players are obviously delusional. Not only do they feel they are performing well, through Tim Howard they are saying the supporters need to be patient as they will not change their passing game.
Well Mr Howard what you the players, manager and coaching staff need to realise the supporters are not seeking to change from the passing game but to move the ball a lot quicker, in a forward direction preferably, instruct players who have the technical skill to take players on in order to commit other opposition players, thereby creating space for attacking options, and mix it occasionally with a more direct long ball.
Now is that asking too much from highly paid staff and players to understand??
RM is using us - or so it seems - as an experiment for trying out his football tactics just like he did at Wigan, but that eventually ended in the failure of relegation. Supposedly, he has better players to work with at Everton, but he must adapt if the predicted results of the experiment aren't forthcoming.
I admire someone with high principles, but when it becomes stuuborness and arrogance and being blinkered, then I expect the manager/coach to adapt and try something different.
Champions League? We sure were having a laugh!
26 Dec 2014 17:19:55
Hands up if you want a plan B/C/D/E? We were very poor, we looked like the Brendan Rogers Swansea, with the passing all the way to the beginning of the final third and then losing the ball and getting countered. its a joke.
Are our players over-coached into playing RM's tiki-taka football?
Are they unable - or even allowed - to show the flashes of individual brilliance that make the difference in matches - because such moments aren't part of RM's approach?
26 Dec 2014 18:50:56
Imo Sid, from what I've seen of proper Tiki-Taka i.e. Barcelona, the game is all player around the front man, and depends on how he preforms. Lpool had Saurez las season, and that made it easy for them to implicate that style of play. But the thing about that, was they also had other styles of play such as counter attacking and long ball usage.
Barca obvs have Messi, and he always performs, even when he's not playing that well.
We need new tactics. I remember some of us calling Moyes a 1 trick pony, but I don't think we'd ever have him saying performances were good after a run like this. i'm waiting for RM to lose his rag a bit and crap some players up, so we can show a little more alertness.
26 Dec 2014 17:17:03
Anyone who dosen't think we are in trouble this season is fooling themselves, was anybody actually excited prior to todays game??
On paper we have fantastic, exciting players, so where is the problem?? its with Martinez, he has got to go, if not, I fear we will be relegated or the damage he will do to the club will take years to fix!! now before you get angry about my post, think of this!!
We are unable to attack or defend set pieces ( bobby actually said he doesn't practice set pieces as he believes scoring from open play means more). Our positional sense on set pieces is a free for all, if we were set up properly today then we don't get caught on the break.
Our tactics and approach to games is mind boggling, we lack pace and direction, we play players out of position constantly. Bobby's unwillingness to alter the formation no matter the situation is shocking. We played the second half today as if we were actually winning, we are slow, predictable and boring to watch. We lack fight and passion, this is a throw back to the dark days before Gollum. Buying players is not going to fix this, we had our best 11 out today, but we don't create many chances and we don't keep clean sheets!!
Angry Toffee
I agree that RM's stated aversion to set-pieces (defending and attacking) and his apparent aversion to mixing things up and his pathological devotion to open play is a severe limitation on the clear strengths that our current players bring to the team. A goal is a goal is a goal, no matter how it's scored imho.
26 Dec 2014 17:15:05
Absolutely dire. Never mind the shocking refereeing. We created SFA in the box, every move we make is at the pace of a galloping slug (Anybody else see in the 1st half Seamus throwing his arms in the air in frustration at not being given the ball by Howard quickly). It seems as if Coleman and Baines are under instructions not to get forward. Something needs doing very quickly, we're in a dogfight and I don't think our Manager can handle it. Promote Rhino alongside Big Dunc with Joe Royle as the guiding hand but for god sake do it sooner than later.
26 Dec 2014 17:14:42
I'm all for Martinez at Everton.But he really needs to have a plan B.I'm frustrated with our style of play.We need to mix it up with Lukaku. He's strong and we have to use his strength to our advantage. Martinez wants to make him a silky smooth striker like Aguero but that takes time.He needs to practice on his first touch. He really needs to use Lukaku in the right way. Surely it wouldn't harm Lukaku's progress by just switching his style for the last 10 minutes. I really think we need to give Martinez another season before we can make a judgement as he is relatively still young. It's the first time he has managed a club aiming for Europe. The only past experience he has is with Wigan. He needs to experience highs and lows and needs to learn. I hope the board give him at least another season and see the progress before making a decision.
Would you still give him another season if we are in the championship? I was all for the patience but we don't look capable of winning games playing the same boring predictable football
26 Dec 2014 17:09:52
It truly is becoming a reality that we could possibly be looking at a relagation dogfight instead of the top 4 challenge we expected. All this possession football counts for nothing if you ain't winning games. We seriously need a variation to our style of play as we have been found out and are easy to play against.
26 Dec 2014 17:09:41
I've already said this once, so I'll say it once more - MARTINEZ OUTTTT!!! This is simply not good enough & beyond a joke. Goodison was once a fortress & has now crumbled to pieces as teams come here & beat us week in & week out. I wonder what he'll say after the match this time. as far as I'm concerned he has to go by the new year if there is no improvement over christmas & maybe bring in a temporary manager till end of the season (maybe big Dunc to fire em up). if Bill doesn't take action soon folks trust me we will be relegated - Bobby has plenty of experience of that!!! Not happy!
26 Dec 2014 17:03:21
I've had it! Seriously martinez has to go he is awful at managing anything. No plan a nevermind plan b he is a poor manager even last year we played the last half poorly and missed out on 4th.
I actually hate everton this season and won't be going or watching again till martinez has been sacked!
Koeman strikes me as being the real deal 2 mate
26 Dec 2014 16:28:33
koeman for everton pleasssee
26 Dec 2014 18:03:55
Dont be silly, has had a decent 3 months, may aswell get allerdyce then. Or pardew back in 2012. If you want replacements, can it be actual proven good managers? And not an arrogant man who has a good 3 months against leicester and burnley under his belt whilst bottling it against anyone decent.
26 Dec 2014 16:27:11
56 mins in. Do we look like scoring and is the confidence down or what? 63% possession and nothing to show for it?
26 Dec 2014 14:32:12
Barkley left really; at Southampton it did not work rm; at least naismith is no 10, coyb's attack
26 Dec 2014 14:29:08
Is Besic injured? If not, Martinez definitely like Moyes in that his favourites cannot do any wrong. Barry should have been dropped not Besic. And Howard should keep his mouth shut.
Barry just going to spend the whole game standing between jags and stones passing it sideways. At least besic gets his head up at plays it forward in the right direction.
26 Dec 2014 13:37:21
'So Macca fit and ready to play. Will Rob be positive and bench Barry to keep Ross and Besic in. Or will we play safe and lose?
Have we ever tried Coleman on the wing?
Against man City.he was poor.
26 Dec 2014 17:01:06
Really hoped I would have been proved wrong. Bloody awful.
26 Dec 2014 11:49:56
Don't you just love Christmas?
I've got a banging headache!
Chronic heartburn!
The trots!
Can't get the taste of turkey and sprouts out if my mouth!
The house looks like a bombs hit it!
Bloody pine needles everywhere!
The in-laws are doing my head right in!
And, to top all of that off I've got to go to the Old Lady later to sit through 90 minutes of watching probably the two most negative teams in the league at the moment.
Bah Humbug!
26 Dec 2014 09:26:56
Match day coyb's. Rm do not play 4 no 10's today get your team selection right today; as stoke will press us and make life hard. Hoping for a 2-0 win; but scared!