Everton Banter Archive May 26 2014

 

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26 May 2014 21:59:02
I think Everton should look at Simon Gustafsson who plays for Häcken in the Swedish league! People compare his talent to Ibrahimovic!

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{Ed025's Note - you must register mate, otherwise your comments cannot be posted in future..

26 May 2014 23:07:52
they said the same about mikael boman, john guidetti, alexander gerndt and jaokob orlov, they link anyone to be the next zlatan

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Living in Sweden I have never heard anyone compare Gustafson to Zlatan. Firstly he is centre mid who occasionally due to injuries has lead the line but he is not a goal scorer. He is not even a goal scoring midfielder. Quite frankly there is plenty of young Swedish players who are rated far higher than this guy so not sure where you got this info from.

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I think someone's been hammering fifa 14. Never even heard of him. I trust svenny's point of view on this one.

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26 May 2014 19:51:47
Omg I think a head doctor is needed over on the Spurs page, I popped over to their page to see was anything been said about Dembele to us, and came across this post Martinez on his way to spurs and Lennon on his way to Everton apparently Levey has this sorted haha I think I'm going to have a lie down now after that unbelieveble.

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Deluded spurs fans! Just had a read myself Stef, can't believe that they are talking names well out of their reach. Martinez, Ancelloti and it looks like they believed LVG was an option before he announced the OT gig. It's a bit of a poisoned chalice the spurs job I think, doesn't help when the fans have such unrealistic expectations. I wasn't even born when they last won the league!

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26 May 2014 19:27:32
Can I just say one thing please DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING WRITTEN ON TWITTER!! Why do people take that? There's probably some Kopite now somewhere tittering after starting the rumour sniggering that Evertonians are in melt down over it. When will people learn that Twitter is a trolls paradise! Sydney I know you heard it first hand brother but they probably read it on twitter to . No way will they boot the Ukranian sides for civil unrest. At worst they'll be made to play at a nuetral venue . If it was match fixing Ed 002 is right, other Ukranian sides we be entered.

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26 May 2014 19:19:00
would anyone want us to get zarate and pinch deal from west ham

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{Ed025's Note - not me bretto, decidedly average if you ask me..

Okay ed 025 I think he decent player be okay as back up like have him kone back up to remy bony would u take risk on soldodo if the price right I think he good striker and would do well for us spurs style doesn't suit him I think ours would I take him for 10 under what about u ed

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{Ed025's Note - i did like him bretto, but like torres before him he made a bad move and it has come back to haunt him, his confidence looks shot to me mate, and it would be a big gamble..

Yeh same ed

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26 May 2014 19:15:50
If it is because of the Ukrainian crisis we have no hope. UEFA have a policy to have the matches played in a safer, neutral venue. That is always the case.

COYB

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26 May 2014 14:07:02
Ed, could be some truth in this champions league rumour. Apparently FIFA ruling has been done and an announcement made next week. Have you heard any more.

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{Ed002's Note - The Champions League is nothing to do with FIFA - and Everton don't enter in to any of this.}

Everton and Sevilla could be in the Champions League next season due to 2 Ukrainian teams who may be sanctioned for match fixing.
That's what I've heard anyway.

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{Ed025's Note - if the 2 teams are sanctioned, they will be replaced by 2 other ukranian teams i have been informed..

ED25 sorry but I might be wrong in my previous post I made the mistake of not reading all the article on the previous instance which does indeed state that a team from a different country replace metalist Kharkiv but it also goes to say that PAOK Thessaloniki were the team they beat in the previous qualifying round so I would have to agree it will probably be a Ukrainian team that takes the places

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26 May 2014 09:42:02
Loic remy has got a buyout clause in his contract, anyone know how much it's for would be a good signing especially if we don't get lukaku (which I doubt we will)

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{Ed002's Note - There is a release clause but it does not mean that sides will not offer a little more for the player.}

His buyout clause is 8m but like ed says it won't stop clubs offering way more than that

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Why would anyone bid more than his release clause if they have to accept 8m?

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{Ed025's Note - to get him, clubs know quite well that £8m is just the trigger quinny, it will take at least double that to land him IMO mate..

Me personally I wouldn't want to spend 16 million on Remy not when there is a chance we could get lukaku for four mill moor

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I might be bing really thick here but if two clubs bid:
8m and offer remy 100k a week
16m and offer remy 50k a week
Remy's going to go to the first one and qpr can do nothing about it right?

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{Ed025's Note - i think the club who holds his registration will have the final say quinny..

If he has a buyout clause in his contract the club are legally bound to accept that offer, makes no sense for a team to offer more than that figure. Say the clause is 8m and we offer 8m, Someone else may offer 10m but there's really no point as both would have to be accepted anyway, who would really spend millions more for no reason. It's then really down to who offers the best terms.

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{Ed002's Note - You don't understand how this works do you?}

I'm not so sure about that Ed. IF the release clause is 8 mil and a club offers Remy 100k and he wants to go there then therd is not really much the club can do if everything has been met . Even if another club offers more, as long as the clause is triggered the club are powerless. Although I'm sure it would never get to that far as some kind of deal would be brokered I'm sure but you get my drift.

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{Ed025's Note - i do mate, im just not sure that works in the real world..

Bit of insight.

A players buyout clause is what it is. A buyout clause. If you match the buyout as stated in the players contract, the selling club is powerless to stop the transfer. But all stipulations must be met. For example, the majority of transfer fees are paid in instalments. So when you see player X move for 15m that will often be paid in set amounts over a period of time. It could be monthly, quarterly, annually for a sustained period. What this does is it lowers the initial expenditure. You could have 15m transfer cash sat in the bank but buy 3 10m rated players paying 5m up front for each and rest in negotiated instalments provided you have assets and can prove your income will be sufficient to pay the rest off in the time stipulated. Accountants & lawyers will be used by both sides for due diligence.

Problem with a buyout is that it often states it must be paid in a lump sum up front. So 8m would mean 8m cash now. Doesn't mean 4m now and 4m over time. Clubs will always offer this sort of deal first and it will be a game of negotiation until some sort of compromise is met. In the case of Remy there will be high demand, so whoever offers the 8m up front will trigger it and QPR are powerless. Then it's up to the player. He can only speak to a club when the buyout is triggered. Officially, he is forbidden to talk until then (although this rule is broken almost every transfer).

To sum it up, we could offer 8m for Remy up front, trigger the buyout and try and convince him to join. But remember, that 8m could be sufficient to buy a 15m rated player, paying the fee over time.

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Think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one Ed, in legal terms a minimum fee release clause does exactly what it says on the tin as long as it's paid in a lump sum.

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{Ed025's Note - fair play gibbo..

Oil it has nothing to do with that. A buy out clause is a fee that needs to be paid by the player to buy out of his contract. In remys instance he would need to pay 8m. If Everton were to give him the money to pay it, it would be counted as taxable income so would need to be closer to 10m. But if Everton did give him the money they would be charged with tapping up as QPR did not not give the club permission to speak to him.

If its a release clause which is different then they are not legally binding and only have to inform the player of interest

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That's exactly my point Ed. On paper the clause is triggered the club holding the players registration is powerless to stop it. On paper! But as you say, in the real world it doesn't work like that hence me saying I'm sure it would never get as far (or as simple) as a club saying "here's 8 mil and 100k for you Loric) and the deal is done. If another club offered more money a deal would some how be brokered in whatever way needed to benefit the selling club and also sweeten the player and his representatives. Clubs aren't stupid and they will ALWAYS get what's best for them regardless of a clause is what I meant. Clear as mud, right :/ lol :)

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{Ed025's Note - sure is mate.. :)

 
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