Everton Banter Archive April 27 2018

 

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27 Apr 2018 20:16:58
I've sat on the fence regarding Alladyces appointment in that give him the opportunity to see what he can do. Personally never saw him as a Everton manager before his appointment.
If he has had a meeting with Mr Moshiri about remaining in charge then I hope he has been made aware that both results and performances MUST improve starting with this weekend match for him to remain.

He is unlikely to take the club further or to a higher level so personally shouldn't be involved in long term decisions involving players in or out.

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27 Apr 2018 08:46:26
Hey Ed what's your take on this news that Big Sam is in London with Walsh for talks with Mr Moshiri followed by a board meeting today, surely Mr Moshiri will know by the unrest by fans etc that Sam is not the man to take us forward, have you heard anything your end mate cheers.

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{Ed025's Note - nothing yet GB but i do have a feeling that the news may not be what we are hoping for, its just my gut and the fact that everton seem to disappoint me at every opportunity mate..

27 Apr 2018 18:10:59
Yep you could be right mate, Sam now saying after the meeting he is planning to be at Everton next season YUK!

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{Ed025's Note - i feel like a turkey who has just seen bernard mathews grinning at him mate..

27 Apr 2018 18:22:13
I hope Sam meant he plans to be a visiting manager at Everton next season.

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27 Apr 2018 18:43:05
After the initial euphoria of Mr Moshri arrival it appears the Everton Malaise has now got into his system also. Is this a Club with ambition we may ask ourselves and the answer coming back for the majority I am afraid is a resounding 'no'. Nothing can change while the old guard still have a hands on role at the Club. Mr Moshri needs to have lots of thanks for your contribution over the years handshakes or next season will go the same way as this.

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27 Apr 2018 18:56:29
SA is talking like he's some sort of saviour, truth of the matter is we had a really early/ tough start to our season just look at our first 7 or 8 league games. We also had Europa qualifiers sandwiched inbetween . Question is did FM and BK panic to soon? Truth is had unsworth had stayed in charge we would still be safe now. We all know what alladyce is all about, but someone at Everton gave him this job knowing that, dour football, brown envelopes, all about me etc etc that is where the problem lies . The board gave him the job fellow blues. coyb.

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27 Apr 2018 19:18:45
Just think myself that someone from the Board or even Mr Moshiri should do the decent thing and come out and clarify one way or the other where this is all going,

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27 Apr 2018 19:30:26
Have to disagree with you regarding Unsworth. He was out of his depth imo. Koeman would certainly my have kept us up eventually, but that’s not what we wanted so he was given the bullet.

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27 Apr 2018 20:06:34
Take your point, but we would of stayed up . Just showed the board had no plan b in place after the Silva debacle and in your opinion if
DU was out of his depth they let him continue. The board or maybe certain individuals made the choice of SA . He is and never will be the right choice of manager for our great club .

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27 Apr 2018 20:11:58
If true Ed25, I raise you with a one handed guy, hanging off a cliff with itchy knackers.

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{Ed025's Note - i fold then bignev, thats a far better description of how i feel mate..

27 Apr 2018 23:21:22
I think he’s at Everton next season as he managed to get his hands on a season ticket.

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27 Apr 2018 16:48:08
We can all speculate on whether he is staying or going but this is my 2 cents worth
1, why would you keep your club stagnating for another 12 months?
2, why would you tell your current manager he’s gone? He’s not actually done much wrong if his job remit was to make us safe so job done.
3, there isn’t much to be done 3 games left so why sack him now and rock the boat?
4, didn’t Sam go through the same thing at West Ham? Sure he acted similar back then as well
5, if Brands is really coming I am sure he will be having input on the playing and coaching staff plus recruitment so might be waiting for his input
And ok bit more than 2 cents lol 😂.

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27 Apr 2018 17:45:32
His press conference shows that he doesn't know whether he is staying yet. Otherwise he would have been a lot more smug/ direct in his answers, especially when asked again to confirm what was discussed. My feeling is it is all still up in the air as far as he is concerned.
My 2 cents are, Walsh will go the week after the last game with Allardyce soon after. Brands and another to come in.

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27 Apr 2018 23:23:26
I feel and hope the same! He’s the sort of bloke that if things had gone his way would be ramming it down the throats of everyone pulling his jacket off and doing that stupid dance again like at Palace.
Or something like David Brent even.

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27 Apr 2018 23:31:03
Smitt I agree.
Think it's likely a few pieces need to fall in place before any decision is made.
Who will be DOF is likely priority.
Obviously I'm sure that coaches have been approached and sure, some will not be interested and others will be but having to be respectful to their current employer.

Think it's going to change pretty fast.
Moshiri and Bill are the ones we need to hear from if BS is staying.
I'm of the opinion that we are all getting worked up over speculation and no info.

I saw his PC today and he said he was planning for next season. All managers say that. When pushed to clarify he blurted out a yes and it all moved on.

Sam likes to enjoy those ego moments but as someone has said, he seemed very reserved and almost wanting to change the subject. That to me means nothing has changed. I'm sure it's still all up for review AT THE END OF THE SEASON.

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27 Apr 2018 16:44:00
This will touch a raw nerve with some, me included, but the latest press conference does not fill me with excitement in regards to Sam still being here next season.

A survey seems to not matter one bit and although we do not know the outcome of the survey results or the meeting last night, the press conference today does not sound like someone who is about to lose their job.

Much as I laugh and mock our neighbours for petitions and protests, at the same time you have to look on in envy that as fans, the walkout they had, had the desired effect.

What do we do, have a plane fly over with a banner on.

I have never been one for fans protests during a game, but I feel after the last home game against Southampton, we need to stand together and let the board hear loud and clear, we do not want Sam in charge for next season, if we do not let it known, there is a chance Sam will be in charge again next season.

I urge all fellow Evertonians to say enough is enough, email the club, do whatever is needed but for the sake of our great football club, do not remain silent.

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27 Apr 2018 18:05:31
Seems to be a big push from Evertonians, that if Sam is still in charge for the final home game, there is a planned mass walk out on 78 minutes for the Southampton game.

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27 Apr 2018 18:35:02
Time our voices were heard (or not heard as the case would be) . I am writing a personal letter to Morishi to voice my opinion on how he has damaged and embarrassed my club.

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27 Apr 2018 11:41:11
Reading between the lines I still don't think it's clear that Sam will be staying. All he said is that he's received clarity on next season. That could be that he's been told that he's not required but he's never going to say that to the press. With regards to arranging pre season then surely this is done by others at the club. I know the manager will have a say but our pre season has been similar for a number of years regardless of who's in charge. More to come me thinks!

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27 Apr 2018 13:23:55
Agree mate, he will be gone soon.

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27 Apr 2018 14:52:22
I hope he is going but I've just got this little voice in the back of my mind saying that he's been told he can see out his contract, I hope I'm wrong we can't put up with the type of football he serves us each week. And also concerning transfer would players actually come when in 12 months time if and when we get a new manager they might be surplus to requirements just so many factors atm think we will find out after that final game.

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27 Apr 2018 15:13:35
I personally think Sam knows he won't be staying, I think the contract was to give an illusion of longer term status instead of his usual fire fighting job.
Why I think this is that whenever you see him interviewed he seems distant to the club and its fans, you never feel a togetherness or a feeling of passion for the club unlike DM or even RM did.
For me he is just passing has done the job and will be gone, ask yourself about the alleged questionnaire situation was it a mistake?
The club know he is not widely accepted by the fans and although it is not our decision EFC normally will take this consideration seriously.

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27 Apr 2018 16:19:10
I can't believe that anyone on the board are happy to keep this self opinionated tosser as manager of our club. Bill you have grown up watching the great players and style of football over the years. Surely you can't be happy with the dross that's on show now.

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27 Apr 2018 16:25:38
Sorry boys, I don’t agree. I want him gone - but I don’t think the press conference leaves much to the imagination. He thinks he’s staying, he’s planning preseason and for the ins and outs of players. Yes, it could be a smokescreen, but looks to me like he’s been given the green light to crack on.

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27 Apr 2018 16:33:38
He not have got a clear green light from FM, but it doesn’t sound like he got a definite red stop light either - hopefully the lights are now at least at amber and he’ll be halted soon.

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27 Apr 2018 10:58:17
Just wondering if any of the Ed's know what is actually going on, seen yesterday with hope that he'd be gone but now he's says he's planning for next season. Is he staying on Ed's? If it's true, then I've never been so disappointed in my 17 years of what the club is doing. I really hope it's not true because if it is I will have no hope or enthusiasm for next season. The fans and the club will only become more attached and we'll spend another season stagnating and getting further away from the top 6 with the dinosaur in charge. I really hope he isn't staying otherwise I wish I never renewed my season ticket.

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{Ed001's Note - from what I have been told the only thing he is doing is setting up a preseason as it would be too late to do that once the summer is here. Seems like a few bets are being hedged so there can be no excuses from the players for not performing until the end of the season.}

27 Apr 2018 15:34:28
Ed01, could we possibly play any worse or players not performing, A few have hit rock bottom already, maybe if they knew Sam was going, a few just might think sod his tactics and actually take players on without the fear of being dropped.

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{Ed001's Note - there is always that to it as well. We will never know though.}

27 Apr 2018 16:36:43
However organised (or disorganised! ) Everton’s pre-season might be given the club’s managerial, DoF, CEO, etc., situation, it’s a ready-made excuse for the coaches and players if there’s a poor start to next season.

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27 Apr 2018 16:44:46
Is Marco Silva still of interest the club ed, would think with him being out of a job and Fonseca signing an extension that maybe they'd tried to have got him in before the end of the season.

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{Ed001's Note - I don't know right now sorry.}

27 Apr 2018 10:43:07
So, the only thing discussed by SA with FM and BK was who should supply the pies and whether the gravy should be Bisto or Oxo - 'cause footballing issues clearly are of no concern to them.

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27 Apr 2018 10:28:20
Martinez used his MiB neuralyzer on the fans and media; Allardyce must be using it on FM and BK!

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27 Apr 2018 10:20:12
Judging by that press conference, Allardyce seems to be 100% certain he will be the manager of Everton come the start of the new season. Very, very worrying. I renewed my season ticket on the hope that Allardyce would not be at the helm next season and we’d have a young manager with fresh ideas. If he’s still here I will feel robbed of my money.

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27 Apr 2018 11:28:56
Ask for the money back if he’s still there as you’ve been misled 😂.

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27 Apr 2018 11:48:16
Lost for words. We need a new moto.

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27 Apr 2018 14:08:37
Nil Satis Ahh Bisto! Could be new motto. Honestly my guts are churning at the thought of him being boss next season.

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27 Apr 2018 15:20:50
Not Sam Nor OXO.

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27 Apr 2018 16:38:39
New club song: “Yes, our board are bananas! ”.

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27 Apr 2018 10:00:41
Just watched the press conference and it seems that he's staying. FM/ BK have let down the fans badly.

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27 Apr 2018 10:13:30
yep I got that same feeling I really hope we are wrong but if he stays our board really don't understand the fans.

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27 Apr 2018 10:24:00
I've only seen the transcripts from the Echo rather than actually seeing and hearing the conference. Personally I'd like to hear from Farhad or Bill before making any decision on what is actually happening. Steve Walsh was also in London and nothing was said about him and his position is totally unclear with the news that Brands had accepted a job with us.
Hopefully Farhad had given Sam clarity that he is leaving at the end of the season but that he wants him to continue with planning pre-season for now and maybe Walsh was told the targets Brands wants us to target until he gets there.
Worried that all the above is wishfull thinking at my end but it really needs Farhad or Bill to confirm what the hell is going on. Never felt so down.

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27 Apr 2018 10:24:23
If our fans don’t want SA, then do that have the cajones to stage a mass walkout during the televised home match against Southampton? That would show FM/ BK - and the viewing public - what the feelings are, but apathy is rife at Goodison Park so it won’t happen. :- (.

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27 Apr 2018 10:45:54
What’s the point of SA planning pre-season (fixtures and transfers) if someone else will be in charge?

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27 Apr 2018 11:30:24
Well let’s be honest he wasn’t going to come out and say I am gone at the end of the final match!

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27 Apr 2018 12:08:46
the board got rid of Martinez before the last game against Norwich, I think they knew how much anger there would of been shown.

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27 Apr 2018 13:10:30
BobbyC
I'm just grasping at straws when I said about arranging pre-season but I do think we should wait until there is an announcement one way or the other from Farhad and Bill. There could be timings issues with Brands or a new manager and their current clubs. No announcement on Walsh is an encouraging indicator that there difficulties in the announcing.
It's not helping the club's fans this lack of clarity - even if Sam says he has it now.
I'm numb at the moment. I can't believe that once again we seem to be in a state of limbo and the board says nothing. We are the peoples club but it doesn't seem it right now.

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27 Apr 2018 13:34:38
Just watched Sam's comments and feel a bit more relaxed after actually seeing it. Clarity can mean anything, including he's on his way. His comments on players in and out was insightful as I got the impression he knows nothing about any targets which is a good sign.

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27 Apr 2018 17:54:11
How about a backs to the pitch and minutes silence as a way of showing the board we won't put up with this anymore.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant see that having much of an effect smit mate..

27 Apr 2018 19:19:03
I agree Ed but at least it will mean watching 1 minute less of this eternal dross that we are seeing.

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{Ed025's Note - good point smit..

26 Apr 2018 22:33:21
Ed002 I have to say it’s been a pleasure over my time on this site to have your insight and information like with all things in life I haven’t always agreed with some things but the world would be dull if we all agreed all the time. You will be missed and so will the transfer insights and sharkopods!
All the best in the future endeavours and if you have any insights or transfer murmurs before you ship off please let us know.

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27 Apr 2018 11:47:05
Really sorry to see you go ED002. I wish you all the best in your future endeavours.

A class act.

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27 Apr 2018 13:22:46
Same here. Thanks for all your insights.

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27 Apr 2018 17:22:11
Have I missed something? Ed002 is leaving? If so I wish you the best of luck, your information is always spot on. Thanks for having us ;)

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27 Apr 2018 17:55:40
Says who? Lol. Only joking Ed, you will be missed along with that sharp tongue.

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27 Apr 2018 08:02:24
I'm old enough to remember World Cup matches being played at Goodison Park in 1966.
I didn't attend the matches, but watched them on television in grainy black and white.
My best memory was the quarter-final between North Korea and Portugal. North Korea (the surprise team of the tournament) raced into an amazing 3-0 lead before the great Eusebio got a grip and Portugal ran out 5-3 winners.
Their semi-final against England should have been at Goodison Park - an England match had been "promised"for Goodison - but the English FA moved the fixture to Wembley and the rest is history.
My other Goodison memory from that tournament was seeing Brazil's Pele being brutally kicked by the opposition and limping out of the competition.
I seem to recall that Brazil trained at Bellfield (the Everton training ground before we moved to USM Finch Farm) and they were very impressed by its modern facilities. That's when Everton (under the leadership of John Moores) were a "big" club on and off the field.
Those were the days: the "old lady" being good enough to host key World Cup fixtures. Fifty-plus years on and it's creaking (literally and metaphorically! ) and the move to BMD can't come soon enough!
I just hope that Farhad Moshiri can have the same galvanising effect on Everton going forward that John Moores did back then.

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{Ed001's Note - my uncle Billy is the lad that walks off with Pele, when he is taking off for his own safety, with the pair of them sobbing, that you can see in the film about the '66 World Cup. That is his claim to fame that he got to put his arm round Pele and comfort him. Though not sure how much comfort Pele could take from a sobbing boy....}

27 Apr 2018 08:37:54
I had group tickets for all the matches at goodison. Happy memories.

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27 Apr 2018 14:35:50
I went to all the games at Goodison. Best was Brazil v Hungary, Florian Albert played the best game I have ever seen from an individual player.

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Review Of The Day 27th April 2018

27 Apr 2018 07:01:17
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 27th April 2018

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27 Apr 2018 01:31:01
Now that the sam haters seem to have go their way, it might be well to remember the saying "be careful what you wish for".
In the two seasons since he left Sunderland, they have had two seasons, with two relegations, and now face the prospet of third div football.
In the time he was their, he was primary responsible for saveing them from relegation, it may not have been all style and flowing football, but there is nothing more sure than they would swap it for where they are now.

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27 Apr 2018 06:14:33
JC we've been fine since 1878 without Sam so I am sure we will cope.

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27 Apr 2018 06:18:14
Sunderland getting relegated has nothing to do with Sam not being their manager the club is in a mess at boardroom level and are massively in debt which meant they couldn't spend much money and the money they did have was spent poorly eg Rodwell who they where so desperate to sign they put him on 70k week without a Claus to lower it if relegated jcwblue what are your thoughts on Sam because me I would kick him out today at the live press conference with fonseca running in half way through dressed like Zorro and running Sam and is band of croonies out of goodison.

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27 Apr 2018 07:17:33
Virtually every club Sam has left has been relegated. Is it because it was only his amazing tactics keeping them up, or is it because his signings etc ruined the club and he left them in a sorry state?

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27 Apr 2018 08:05:50
JCW
I'll happily take the risk as I think there's far more danger for our club leaving Sam in charge any longer.

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27 Apr 2018 08:39:33
Every club he manages he leaves in a mess.

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27 Apr 2018 09:37:00
We are not Sunderland and going back to his job before last to make a point is not really going to justify a point of keeping him.
His last job before us was Crystal Palace who are still in the Premier League but have struggled possibly due to having no identity and the managers being Sam and now Hodgson.
We need a new manager with fresh ideas of modern football, what frightens me is the rumour that Van Gaal is strongly tipped for us if we part with Sam and he has said in a recent interview that he has a job lined up. In his heyday he was a great manager but I wouldn't want him after the dire football he had United playing.

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