Everton Banter Archive February 27 2016

 

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27 Feb 2016 23:39:28
good news today according to paper he bought all Robert earl shares and some of kenwright and woods shares.

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27 Feb 2016 23:15:11
Hi all, great news today. I like what I've heard about this guy. His main priorities are the stadium issue and investing in top 4 players and keep our big players here. Best of all Bill still steering the ship. I would expect Stones, Barkley and Lukaku will be offered huge contracts to stay and try for top 4 again. All tough this guy is the major shareholder he can't make any big decisions without the boards approval and with Kenright on the board well we're on safe hands for as long as his health permits. Was wondering why can we not get the site in the park the Reds got approved for but never used. Anyway onwards and upwards, ah oh Martinez don't think he is the man to lead the team to success hope if we are looking at top 4 players we look for a top 4 manager. Good times ahead COYB.

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27 Feb 2016 22:26:25
Woke up to the News that Farhad Moshiri has taken 49% with Bill Kenwright still at the club. I can only think this is a brilliant day for Everton. We got a guy who was part of the Arsenal move from Highbury to the emirates and is a billionaire, but we also retain Bill as chairman. To me this a safe bet.

Had we gone the American way, who knows what could have happened. I for one am ecstatic and I believe only good things will happen from here! Onwards and upwards for my beloved blues!

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27 Feb 2016 21:32:08
Don't wanna argue, ed. Although, like most of us, educated and intelligent, allegedly, I have to agree that I don't know anything about football finances.
There can't be many on here who do.

I just wanna enjoy the moment and I am prepared to hold on and enjoy the ride. I am more excited about this guy than the Americans who were looking.

Got everything crossed that it turns out good.

I would prefer an arsenal model to a city model.


Hate city fans. they became horrible when they got the money.


Don't want that to happen to us.

I can see this guy picking up more shares as time goes on.

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27 Feb 2016 21:11:20
Very good news today guys! Not because of the value, not because of the money but because we now have an exciting businessman involved. This will help get the ship in order, help with the stadium and hopefully from that our club can grow.

Without knowing much about the inner workings of the club, if I was to pick one club who on the face of it are run like I would like Everton to be run, it would be Arsenal. The fact that this guy has the experience of working with them strikes me as potentially very positive.

Let's just celebrate what seems to be quite exciting news!

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27 Feb 2016 20:39:04
Well Eds here we go again we get fantastic news today on Some Serious Investment and what do we get some absolute idiots again on some posts, can we never ALL be Happy and Chuffed c'mon you Blues, GuernseyBlue.

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27 Feb 2016 20:32:03
Ed is correct that this guy has simply bought into Everton and paid off the 'Dead Wood' that have simply sat on their shares knowing that the big pay day would one day
arrive.
What is important for us a club is what he brings and just reading tonight his business interests, it's exciting!
This guys got contacts that Bill could only dream of, oil companies (ok so they're struggling! ) A shareholder in Russian mobile company and is respected as a guy who can make money!
We can't expect dramatic changes over night but he (at the very least) will be a 'shark repelant' to keep our stars away from the clutches of Chelski etc!

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27 Feb 2016 19:52:53
Obviously like most blues I am excited by new guy and investment he may put in. I do have issues with Ed002 who thinks we don't know anything about football finances. We can all read between the lines of any deal. This guy will pick up small shares until he own most, if not all the club. You are right, it is a portfolio investment but the difference being. 1) huge TV money starts this season. 2) as far ad most people are concerned football is only going to get bigger, especially in China etc and 3) with regards to ffp - there must be so many ways big business can circumnavigate these rules.

I think, as a blue who appreciates bill and what he has done for the club, we need to seize this opportunity and give the guy support and patience to succeed with us. These type of guys have all this money because they are good at what they do so we need to give them the chance to build our club.

If we think things are not working then we can always protest.

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{Ed002's Note - I would dispute that you do know anything about football finances based on two of your three points being incorrect. (1) No. It starts next season. (2) Chinese companies are certainly looking to invest. (3) No, there are not "so many" ways that "big business" can get around the FFP regulations.}

27 Feb 2016 20:33:22
I think we are all being naive if we think there are not loopholes or ways round ffp or even that the sanctions at present are off putting. Look at city only having a fine and squad reduction. Not hampered them as yet. Suppose what I meant to say was how many owners have written off debt owed to them by clubs? The guy from Bolton being the latest.
Obviously what I meant to say was the money starts next season so with that and the players we have and how relatively cheap we are, we are obviously top of the pile in terms of investment. Look at villa. Lerner can't give them away.

Obviously I don't want argument, Ed002 but I just feel you being very sharp and harsh considering this information only came out today.
As evertonians we have have had relatively very little to get excited about recently so this gives us a chance to dream. The reality may well be different but for now let us have our moment and obviously if it goes pear shaped, please come on and say you told us so.

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester City have a suspended €40M fine hanging over them. Did they win the CL in the last couple of years? No.

Writing off debt is nothing to do with getting around FFP - you need to better understand how it all works.

This is something to be excited about within the framework of reality. Throwing out misinformation is not going to help anyone.}

27 Feb 2016 21:21:30
To be fair you only need one way to get around the rules. Most have done it through sponsorship.

However, we all have plenty of money through the TV deals to buy most players.

However, we don't need someone to buy players we need someone who can develop the business. We need a stadium but we also need to develop infrastructure.

We have our man but we also keep someone, who has the best intentions for the club as well.

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27 Feb 2016 19:47:14
Hi Ed002 025just and question for you both is moshiri a big loss to arsenal and can we look forward to the club being run better thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - He is no real loss to Arsenal as he had no influence over the club. He was simply the part owner of a company that owned a lot of the the Arsenal shares. He is no longer a part owner of that company but that company still holds the same number of shares in Arsenal. One of his two great beefs with Arsenal was that he had no direct influence. That will change for him at Everton. But critically it will be others who come in to do the job under his instruction and oversight.}

27 Feb 2016 21:15:27
Cheers ed I guess everyone will see his intentions and Beliefs of how to run a club and what needs doing. Hope fully this will put abut of pressure on Bobby knowing he's not untouchable anymore and sorts it out. It's a interesting time for us Everton fans we are going into the unknown and out of our comfort zone. No more excuses anymore and hopefully our fans can't start showing more passion in the home games again and let's show the new owner he hasn't made a mistake.

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27 Feb 2016 19:42:18
Ed if a few people say we're richer than the Reds let them have there moment. Are owner is wealthier than there's but it don't mean we are. It's just excitement.
This is meant to be a laugh and joke. Let us have our time.

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{Ed002's Note - You are failing to grasp the absolute fundamental financial matter here which makes this embarrassing and laughable. Perhaps you should pop along to the Liverpool page and ask your chums there who owns the club?}

27 Feb 2016 19:38:25
It seems like your very negative about what's happening here eds 002 I'm not having a go at u but u can't blame evertonions for getting excited. Personally I'm more relieved than excited. I would much rather this fella than the yanks something wasn't quite right there. And ok let's not act like we can go and sign messi but if he follows the arsenal model which is a properly run football club and gets us competing again while not losing our identity that's all I can ask for. We've been fighting with our hands tied for years now and I am excited rather than terrified about our future for the first time in a long time!

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{Ed002's Note - I have not been negative, I have explained the situation rationally.

There have never been any "yanks" interested in buying Everton.}

27 Feb 2016 19:27:11
I am not a financial expert by any account but isn't a majority stake different to a controlling stake? To me it seems more like investment than a takeover. I know some fans are happy Bill has stayed on and I for one am thankful for all he done for the club but we need to move forward with fresh ideas and hopefully a new manager next season. I may be a little pessimistic but you have to remember we are Everton and we always get our hopes up only to have them shattered.

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27 Feb 2016 19:50:32
I would say that if bill was still the majority shareholder but he isn't the new owner will have the power bill will ultimately have to dance to his tune along with the rest of the board.

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{Ed002's Note - It is really going to be nothing like that Kingy.}

27 Feb 2016 20:23:30
Ok what will it be like then eds enlighten me with your wisdom.

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{Ed002's Note - There will be no dancing. There will be no conflicts. There will be changes commercially.}

27 Feb 2016 20:23:54
And can I ask who u actually support just out of interest.

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{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant, I am not here to push any club I might support.}

27 Feb 2016 20:41:21
I didn't once mention conflict I mearly pointed out that he will have the ultimate decision making power if it came down to it. And I bring the point of what club you support because you've recently made a statement to some one along the lines of "i truely don't believe you grasp what has happened" but unless you are an evertonion like myself and other posters on here it is you that hasn't got a single clue about what has happened here and what it could mean to all of us. I'm not trying to have a pop at you eds I'm just telling you how it is. No hard feelings 👍.

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27 Feb 2016 19:00:41
Hi Ed can you shed any light on what this 49.9 % actually means to our Club and what is likely to happen in the near future, and also do you think we will get a new stadium sorry so many questions many thanks in advance, GuernseyBlue.

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{Ed002's Note - The 49.9% itself is not something to concern yourselves with. What Everton has is a new investor, new blood who will look to increasing the value of his investment, and therefore the value of the investment of others in the club. To do this there will be money made available for players, there will be a structure and people put in place to bring fresh impetuous to the commercial side of the business as new commercial and sponsorship deals are sought. Critically it will bring new ideas about a new stadium to the fore - and that was the problem the club faced with other potential investors who were looking to the local authorities and businesses to help. Now I would expect Everton to look to find partners in the program and to perhaps look to working with the local authorities to help regenerate the are and logistics. That brings better and less controversial benefits to them as compared to throwing money at a football stadium.}

27 Feb 2016 19:40:06
Ed 002 many thanks for the excellent post I can now see what will most likely happen, already down the page there has been some ridiculous posts from some posters which we could all do without once again Ed thanks GuernseyBlue.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome GB.}

28 Feb 2016 09:35:23
Thanks Ed002, I wasn't sure how this new investor would operate or what effect it would have on EFC but your post explains it well.

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{Ed002's Note - I think the reasons are there to feel very good about the future Joe. The critical thing is it needs to be professionally managed rather than the Liverpool approach which under the current owners is now seeing the resultant debt from simply trying, and failing, to buy success. It won't be a Manchester City style turnaround but it will try and get the club on a firm footing a few rungs up the ladder. The stadium will take some years to sort out but it will head the agenda.}

27 Feb 2016 18:54:29
lets not get carried away Q. P. R are run by a billionair let's just see what the plans are.

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27 Feb 2016 19:19:21
well said Muff.

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27 Feb 2016 19:27:46
I second that muff.

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27 Feb 2016 21:27:49
The guy at qpr is an idiot. He, went out there buying awful players for huge money.

We don't need massive investment in players. We need investment in infrastructure and stadium.

I expect a long term investment like what happened at Arsenal. No over the top buying of players but managing finances carefully to improve the club over time to a point that we become competitive by own means.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree john, but no doubt if we do not sign some big expensive names this summer some will still moan and say the new investors are imposters, the craving for instant success is greater than ever and patience is seen as as weakness not a virtue nowadays mate..

27 Feb 2016 18:39:44
Good news at last maybe efc can buy big players an champs leaque ere we come hahahahaha eat that copites lol.

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27 Feb 2016 19:04:06
it Koppites mate, after the Kop.

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27 Feb 2016 18:25:17
i feel a harry enfield moment coming on. hear it goes. liverpool I do believe we are consideribly richer than you. this is the first time in many a year that I as an everton fan can start gloating and it feels weird but bloody brilliant and in no way can any body begrudge us that.

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{Ed002's Note - I truly believe that you have no grasp of what has happened at all.}

27 Feb 2016 18:49:01
Ed002 if you have more of an idea than the rest of us can you please explain. Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - There is nothing to explain. You need to actually understand what has happened and some posters need to get over their inability to grasp even the basic fundamentals of football finances - for example, all of this "richer than you" BS. On most club pages we simply do not discuss finances - and that is certainly going to be the case for this page as well.}

27 Feb 2016 18:52:50
Ed what's up you appear very negative on news?

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{Ed002's Note - It is not negative but for reasons that are beyond me a number of posters seem to be under the impression that the £100M or whatever the figure invested in shares is will be being spent on players. That is not true and it really doesn't work like that. The brain-dead comment aimed at Liverpool fans about Everton being "richer" is simply nonsense. What Everton has is a new investor who will be good for the club. Additional investment for players will be available but it won't be any vast spending spree. If Everton wish to do that there is due process to follow for "new investment" if the club want to avoid sanctions. But timing of doing that is critical. As I previously explained, the deal with John Jay Moores and Charles Noell was struggling after several meetings regarding a new stadium. That is where I would now expect to see Everton really benefit. Moshiri will look to grow the value of his investment and will put people in place and a structure that will seek sponsorship and will look to exploit financial opportunities within the English game.}

27 Feb 2016 18:54:57
Ed002 that just made me nearly spit my chicken dinner out in laughter. This guys roughly on a par with Henry's wealth so I guess it depends how much he's willing to pump into the club if anything. Certainly doesn't mean our bank balance has just gone up by a billion, still a very welcome step in the right direction.

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{Ed002's Note - What has the value of Henry's wealth got to do with Moshiri? What would be the combined wealth of the Liverpool owners - not Henry? And what relevance will taht be. What has the value of Moshiri's wealth got to do with anything? This is what I mean by your not understanding the finances.

These are portfolio investments.}

27 Feb 2016 19:08:48
I to am not interested in any other Club, why people feel the need on their Team's board to discuss other than their own is beyond me. On the investment front it is good and bad news, good because it gives us considerable clout and keeps BK on and the bad bit is because BK is still there the fraud will keep his job. 12th at the moment.

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27 Feb 2016 19:18:45
Come on lads calm down yes we got good news today but let's see how it plays out and our plans are come on we are Evertonians and let's not forget that no abuse or slagging lads discuss it.

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27 Feb 2016 19:28:05
Ed no offense but if people want to talk about clubs money they should be able to. We talk about clubs going under so now we're excited it gets turned like this.

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{Ed002's Note - There is no point in discussing money or finances when the vast majority struggle to understand them It leads to misunderstands, rows etc..}

27 Feb 2016 19:29:00
I understand what you are saying ed002 and agree that this doesn't make Everton richer than anybody as you said this guy may choose to substantially invest money into the squad or stadium but business is business and he will definitely be doing so in order to make the team more financially viable to strengthen his investment in the club. Either way we will have more investment than we have in the past and a lot of supporters are just very excited at the prospect of our beloved club hopefully being able to compete more on a financial level than we have done in the past.

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{Ed002's Note - He will do it in a managed and professional manner. There is no other way to do it without very significant risk. The whole issue is that it needs a structure and organization that will seek out commercial opportunities, sponsorship and partners. So think of it as now having new blood and a fresh approach rather than what some clubs crave - a nice sugar-daddy owner like Thaksin Shinawatra? How about Sheikh Al Thani? Or Sulaiman Al Fahim?}

27 Feb 2016 19:29:07
hole on let me just see what it says at the top of this page. Oh yes Everton banter! That's all it is ed a bit banter! Of course some of us will be spouting off to our Liverpool supporting mates saying we are richer! So what if it's true or not it's just banter between fans! You take things far too seriously ed!

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{Ed002's Note - If you are not interested in my explaining anything to you in a clear and correct fashion so you are well informed then it may be best I leave the Everton page to the shaven-headed, lager-swilling, pot-bellied, tattooed, knuckle-dragging oafs to share all of the misinformation that you seem so keen on.

Perhaps when you are sharing the BS with your Liverpool supporting chums you should hope that they are as ill-informed as you as the truth would simply be embarrassing.}

27 Feb 2016 19:36:19
I understand what your saying Ed002. Its abit like me being a billionaire but only purchasing 5-10% shares of EFC. That doesn't mean huge spending sprees of that the club instantly becomes one of the richest. i'm might be wrong Ed but that's what I get from the whole thing.

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{Ed002's Note - If you were to buy 10% of the shares in Everton, the money you have invested goes to whoever you purchased the shares from - not the club. The value of Everton remains unchanged.

If Microsoft's Bill Gates were to buy 10% of the shares in Everton, the money he has invested goes to whoever he purchased the shares from - not the club. The value of Everton remains unchanged.

What Everton gets out of this is an Iranian born, Monaco-based businessman with a great deal of experience. He will look to grow his investment and the value of teh club and will no doubt invest some money hiself as he creates a structure to facility commercial exploitation. He is keen but will not be working full time for the club - but other will come in.}

27 Feb 2016 19:50:29
Calm yourself down ed absolutely no need for any of this! I am not claiming to know anything about the financial side of things! And my BS with my Liverpool supporting chums is exactly that! We are having a laugh taking the mic, I love winding that lot up! That's part of being a supporter, having good banter with other supporters! I very much appreciate the info you give, but what's wrong with just being daft sometimes? Only live once and after all it's just a game,

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{Ed002's Note - I am perfectly calm. You seems to be struggling with a lot of what has happened. However, knowing many of the Liverpool supporters from this site I rather doubt they will be able to embarrass you with the truth. My advice is to take something shiny along with you when you go to banterize them (or whatever it is you do). At least then you can distract them if they look like they are going to have a rejoinder.}

27 Feb 2016 19:59:16
Ah hey Ed that's a bit unfair to those of us who are shaven headed, lager swilling, pot bellied, tattoed, and are knuckle draggers calling us oafs. We do have feelings you know.

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{Ed002's Note - Fair enough, I apologise to Ed025.}

27 Feb 2016 20:14:14
Wow! Exactly what am I struggling with ed? Yet again you seem to favour the insults? I have not insulted you once! all I'm saying is that people are excited and have been waiting for this for a long time! So what if we don't know the facts, or do know them but choose to jump on the "lets be irrational" bandwagon anyway, why are you so hell bent against people enjoying the moment? You are clearly a well educated person and that's great but that doesn't mean everyone else is stupid, once again this is a banter site!

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{Ed002's Note - That is not an insult - that is all absolutely true. If you would rather not be informed of what any of this means, as others have been asking about, your best bet is to simply not read the posts. Or skip over any where I have had something to say.}

27 Feb 2016 20:42:35
you know a lot and I always read your posts with interest, so yes I want to know what's going on, but sometimes I like to forget about the serious side of things and just enjoy a moment of (for lack of a better word) stupidness, but it seems that whenever people do that, you jump in with your "you know nothing" comments, if this site was called "Everton facts and topical discussions" then I would be factual with my posts and would do research before posting, but as its not, and yet again I know I keep coming back to this but at the top it says banter (exchange remarks in a good-humoured teasing way) so that's what myself and most of us do.

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27 Feb 2016 17:23:06
yeeeeeessssssss hahahahahahhah its a grand old team to play for a billionare hahahahah nwe players hahahah new ground hahahahaha jealouse red fans yeeeessss we can compete at last come ooooooonnnnnn coyb.

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27 Feb 2016 17:22:22
Er is 49pc a takeover?
Business experts please post.

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27 Feb 2016 17:46:45
Technically yes, he's acquired a controlling interest in the club. Must be keeping Bill on as an honorary chairman.

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27 Feb 2016 17:10:56
Best of both worlds bill still here and billionaire owner.

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27 Feb 2016 18:19:20
Yes he has the final say on well basically everything as he is the majority shareholder and of course is on the board which he hadnt got at arsenal and neither did usmanov plus the guy knows business and investments inside out we have to be pleased.

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27 Feb 2016 17:05:29
Am I seeing things.

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27 Feb 2016 17:18:08
How quick tho.only sold his shares at arsenal yesterday.

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27 Feb 2016 17:04:40
How come he only bought have the club, so is he the new owner or is Bill still the Gaffer.

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27 Feb 2016 17:33:25
He's bought a controlling interest as I see it, very few chairmen own 100% of the club. I think I'll have a beer now to toast Mr Moshiri. Welcome!

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27 Feb 2016 18:13:59
And a few to cheer city tomorrow against our poorer relatives.

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27 Feb 2016 17:04:24
Hi Ed Bill staying is the best bit for me in this Takeover I wish him well and good Health, GuernseyBlue.

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27 Feb 2016 16:56:07
Its just been on clubs website 49.9%.

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27 Feb 2016 17:30:34
Its probably best deal allround. Not quite majority so will need others to support major decisions. will probably buy more shares as time goes by. Also kenwright mean we still have a blue in charge unlike others who sold out like villa etc.

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27 Feb 2016 11:36:23
Apparently this moshiri guy has a few business partners including a russian called andrei skoch whos worth 5.3 billion so maybe its moshiri and others involved in this takeover there super rich heres hoping it happens.

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27 Feb 2016 10:35:46
I don't no what to think about all this takeover by Tuesday we've been here to many times before the only thing I know is it's now effecting my eatin patterns I was reading the news this mornin and my stomach flipped put me of me brecky that's how much it's getting to me I hate being in the dark when it comes to Everton.

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27 Feb 2016 11:20:27
For some reason it feels like there's more weight behind these rumours than before, it seems like there's genuine interest this time not just hear say, whether that will end in a takeover who knows but it's going in the right direction.

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27 Feb 2016 12:30:38
Gibbo I hope your rite lad a really do we keep getting are hopes up but like u say mate it's looking promising at the moment finding it hard to switch off from it me though frustrated is the word a think.

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27 Feb 2016 15:32:21
In other news early bird season tickets are on sale in a couple of weeks ;)

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