Everton Banter Archive July 27 2015

27 Jul 2015 22:10:13
We are a club that is usually very cautious in it's spending, with the exception of Lukaku, which I still maintain that as an instalment plan is actually a decent bit of business as long as Lukaku brings in at least 20 goals a season - if that happens you know you're getting what you paid for. Imagine if we'd have paid that much up front for him to turn out to be a donkey like Kone. That would be bad business. We can't just wade into transfer negotiations like the big spenders of the PL. Van Gaal can smash office doors in with his big, battering ram forehead and throw a wad of millions on the table and then that's it, no other club will get a seat at the negotiation table. Brenda can ask for his transfer pocket money from his American sugar daddy, but only buy players from a list that more than likely the owners son has gathered from players he's sort of heard of on his soccer video games.
Wenger can butter up and coax the likes of Ozil into his team, acting all nicey nicey, but then publicly rip them apart when they don't play well.
City will just buy any player these days, as long as they are young and English, because it looks good on the books. Then doom them to being bench warming shadows of their potential who beg to be rescued by Sunderland and Swansea four years later.
Chelsea will splash tons of cash on whomever they like, filling their ranks with quality from every corner of the earth, but forgetting that they can only field 11 world class players at a time, then sell them off like a bored spoiled child trading Pokemon cards.
Everton on the other hand watch. Observe. Wait. Take opportunities when we can. Keeping quiet in the transfer window is a good tactic, as we don't have the cash to match the big spenders, but we've bought players while waiting to see what other clubs do first. We might not like it as fans, but we've made some great, unexpected signings that have worked out well. We don't always get it right - for every Baines, Jags, Stones etc there's an occasional Russian Billy or a Kone, but when we get it right, we get a McCarthy, Lukaku, Mirallas and so on. I know it's frustrating, but softly softly catchee monkey has served us well for years.
As long as we do sign someone though. Otherwise I'm talking out of my Mourinhole.

{Ed025's Note - great post as always OHEFB..

27 Jul 2015 22:51:51
good post

27 Jul 2015 21:29:26
Ed can you honestly see us selling lakaku, stones.
I hope it's not what they done with Rooney, last minute deadline day so we can't buy anyone.

{Ed025's Note - its hard to say pb, there will be a riot if we do mate, myself i dont think either will go in this window..but that could just be me wishing..

27 Jul 2015 21:10:02
Hi eds not been on for a while how's ed25 doing

{Ed025's Note - im good thanks pb..

27 Jul 2015 21:13:08
I miss the days of being an Ed

{Ed025's Note - which ed were you pb?..

27 Jul 2015 21:13:57
The new format is good. Not like last time I was on well done setting up👍🏻

27 Jul 2015 18:48:00
rumour mill going mad Lukaku to move to UTD odds slashed to 7-4 stones to Chelsea!! could be a nightmare add to that the possibility of losin macarthy too I think ill just give up now,, any news on these Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Nothing has changed.}

27 Jul 2015 19:40:44
add to that Pienaar out with a hamstring injury. I hope to god RM gets his head out of the sand.

27 Jul 2015 18:18:49
I know I sometimes upset people with my views on Kone, McGeady, RM, Moyes and particularly Osman. all the people who have had debates with me will confirm this. There is one thing that I will say again and people can judge my views as the season develops.I firmly believe that Moyes was 10 times the manager that Martinez is. I believe the signings Moyes made got us into the position of playing fast flowing exciting football that had us challenging for Europa League places most seasons. I really believe that unless we sign a creative midfielder and if Stones and or Mirralas leave we will be challenging for bottom 3 position. Although we finished last season with a few wins, most were by the odd goal against lower teams who actually deserved something out of those games. We were close to losing a few of them. The league form did reflect Osman's presence in the team. ie when he was out injured we never won a game. So unless a replacement is found there, we are relying on an ageing player who is injury prone and not getting any quicker. Pienaar seems to invite tackles and get injured all the time now anyway. The bottom line is I believe that unless we make some major signings we will be bottom half of the table.if Stones and Mirralas go we will do well to reach half way. ok go on slag me off for my opinion.

27 Jul 2015 19:05:05
Good post that degsy

27 Jul 2015 19:18:05
Degs if I could put into words how I feel about are club right now even your Oscan and moyes comments which by the way I'm 100% in agreement with. I would have wrote something similar ignore the stick mate were evertonians were real we have passionate opinions and we go on what we see not what others say it's what makes us who we are mate.

27 Jul 2015 20:18:59
talkin crap again degs :) bottom thee give over everything in that post you have posted fifteen times already

27 Jul 2015 20:37:21
same old same old from degsy, yawn boring boring. Change the record hey degs.

27 Jul 2015 21:03:07
some scratches in this record anyway :)

27 Jul 2015 21:24:23
I agree bring back moyes before its to late.

{Ed025's Note - its not that bad konehead..

28 Jul 2015 07:06:34
Same old from Degsy I hear. But last season did turn out to be the positive revelation that everyone forecast didn't it? An improvement on the season before? And the quality additions of Kone, Barry and McGeady did inspire us upwards? Sorry guys. that's just not how I see it? Nor do I see Del Boy as contributing except as a sub or in maybe every 5th game. He is just not consistent. Lennon is also poor in my view.should we decide to sign. Yes he had the odd decent game last season, but he is one of those (in my opinion) who starts well when he gets in the team and then starts to lose confidence. I will post again 10 games in and remind everyone.

28 Jul 2015 16:40:53
Don't bother could go through a list of your silly posts the ones where you are always right but can't be arsed grow up degsy :)

27 Jul 2015 16:41:14
Martinez has said he wants atleast 2 more new signings without anyboby haveing to leave

27 Jul 2015 20:50:26
Martinez also said he would get champions league. hmmm

27 Jul 2015 13:06:50
All this talk of Virgil van Dijke is quite exciting, although knowing Bill's connections we'll end up with Dick van Dyke from Mary Poppins.

{Ed025's Note - at least it would be a clean sweep RIB.. :)

27 Jul 2015 13:44:44
He'd still be better than Kone

27 Jul 2015 11:32:23
To be fair to the club, lately when they have said "no sale" they have meant it. Which tells me that first and foremost we put our top players on long contracts then keep them.

This summer there has been very real interest in Stones with Chelsea, McCarthy with Aresenal and now Lukaku with Man U. Granted not all resulting in bids.

This tells me that we have an excellent spine of young and talented outfield players. Add to that possibly the best full back pairing in the league, some very skilful and quick wingers.

2 maybe 3 signings (one soon and maybe 2 on deadline day) will strengthen us to a level that has got me really excited about the season ahead.

I don't care who Stoke Watford or West Ham sign! They haven't got the players we have or else Chelsea Arsenal and Man U would be bidding for them. And also remember if you sign too many first team players you suffer from a lack of continuity that can last a full season.

Now there are real concerns about the manager. Well I have them too. But only time will tell on that one. If we are far from where we need to be at any point this season then there will be no where for him to hide.

Top players with no Europe = top 6.

So I'm very relaxed going into August, as its in our hands.

{Ed025's Note - good post that ace...you have almost got me believing it mate.. :)

27 Jul 2015 15:45:54
A good calm response ace. We are all looking and sounding negative and even though I try to look on the bright side if life I admit it is a bit concerning. However, if no one leaves then we have a really good squad going into the season.

I feel we are a striker short. A CB would be nice but maybe some of the younger lads can come in now and again.

27 Jul 2015 16:28:25
I agree Blue, we could do with a proven PL goal scorer like Austin or Remy. Although if we enquire about Remy then you know what Chelsea will say!

27 Jul 2015 16:46:59
agree toffee we have brought in two players plus I think if we can keep oviedo,gibson,fit almost be like two more on top of last season browning galloway mcaleny all ready to step up imo so we def a lot stronger from last season

27 Jul 2015 08:50:16
The only creative midfielder we have is Osman and he is getting old. Barkley, Mcgeady and Mirallas are either useless, poor distributors or selfish. I thought we would at least get a creative midfielder. Forget about the back line. It concerns me we will only have 1 more come in cause we won't cope with what we have.

27 Jul 2015 11:34:19
Peanuts is also creative but again getting on like Ossie

27 Jul 2015 03:40:33
to think that a year ago we were pushing for fourth to were we are now is absolutely laughable, were sniffing round free transfers and players other clubs want rid, people say we were stagnant under moyes but in his last season we were dominating gmes like I have never seen before as a blue and with shrewd signings Martinez carried it on into his first season which i'm now thinking had more to do with players holding the existing folicy rather than the new one which came to fruition last year.

spain ditched the tika taki yet RM seems to have one train of thought and asking are cbs to play like Xavi and iniestas doing triangles off the keeper is ludicrous. the signings have highlighted is lack of knowledge on the transfer market I fear this year will mirror last but the board will be happy with 10th, looks like its wooden seats til I die if the money continues because mid table is win win for the board

27 Jul 2015 07:26:35
Just looked around other teams pages and confirmed that we are the most depressing fans in the country, moan moan moan from virtually everyone on this site, speculation yet again regarding who we are looking at buying which results in yet more slating of the club, no one on here actually knows for certain any player we are looking at, I know its nearly the start of the season but its not as if every other club has gone out and spent millions is it, come on Blues, pick yourselves up will ye

Degs

27 Jul 2015 08:24:42
Degs, almost every other club has spent millions! West Ham and Newcastle have both spent over £20 million! Even Watford have spent. As it stands we have spent the third least in the premiership with £4.3M. Bournemouth who we should be able to dwarf financially have spent twice the amount as us with £8M. Although I'm not saying we won't spend eventually you can see why people are worried as at the moment it does not look like we are going for that big signing that can take us to the next level. Also Martinez stated he knew his targets in January. If so get them in asap so we can actually prepare for the season. If we lose stones and have to play our horrific opening run with an untested centre back paring we could just be setting ourselves up for failure. Obviously as fans though we are all fickle and as soon as we spend £10M on someone I have never heard of I will be over the moon again but for now I am a little concerned!

27 Jul 2015 09:41:04
In Martinez first season he was given far to much credit as the second season proved. In the first he definitely profited from the same never say die spirit left by Moyes, in the second he soon knocked that out of them. That pre-season hammering by Arsenal was no blip but rather a sign of things to come. RM just does not seem to accept his methods could be wrong both in game time and training (witness the hamstring toll). I am still waiting to be proved wrong but so far RM is demonstrating he is out of his depth.

{Ed025's Note - i happen to agree with you dunc, it was ok at wigan to underachieve as expectation has always been low but at everton we dont suffer fools gladly, i would love it if he was a success as he is such a charming and press friendly guy, but the well being and status of our great club is paramount and if things start badly this season i would hope he would be replaced in the near future. now i must agree that our board seem to be very backward in coming forward with funds and they must also be held accountable, i am saying this out of concern for our club and just not having a go at them for moanings sake mate..

27 Jul 2015 11:25:50
Ed 25 you are such a pessimist and obviously dislike Martinez intensely by all the comments you made over the last 6-9 months.We have 5 weeks to go until transfer window closed I am optimistic we will get at least 2 good signings and a couple of exciting loans. I too am concerned for our great club and we were unprepared and awful last season however I believe we will surprise many people with our form this season
Wellzee

{Ed025's Note - i dont dislike roberto wellzee in fact i really like him..just not as manager at my club mate, but i do wish i could get a pair of them rose tinted glasses that you are sporting .. :)

27 Jul 2015 16:59:01
i have wondered murf if this is the most miserable or childish :) site out there be suprised if it aint