Everton Banter Archive July 27 2016

 

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27 Jul 2016 22:44:50
There seems to be so much panic on here regarding transfers. We don't have to spend the kitty in the 1st few weeks of the window, we are rebuilding and that takes time. We have Rk and walsh in place and hopefully looking at a long term plan.
Everyone is buying players and we are not. So what! Liverpool blow 50 to 100 mill every season and get nowhere, man u have spent 1/ 4 of a billion in the last 3 years and are further behind where they were before. Man city have spent big and still didn't win the league. Arsenal haven't spent much and have qualified for CL for God knows how long. Leicester spent minimal and won the league.

My point is, marquee signings, rushing to spend our budget and panic buying will not necessarily get us further up the league. Let's see how RK does with the current squad and whom ever he decides to buy, when he buys them.

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28 Jul 2016 00:54:05
Okay. RK has had a chance to evaluate the senior squad and the youth. My thoughts: Top 5 as a goal is a stretch. It would cost a lot of money on mercenary players. I'd it works it works. More than likely it won't. Aston Villa tried to spend and failed

If RK thinks we have some great youth he will likely partch a few holes, settle for a 2nd Five finish, and blood the young players.

We finished 11th with abyssmal coaching and squad under-achievement. Gutting the squad like the RS is not needed. Yeah I want CL like any other Blue, but I'm willing to watch a solid squad building year before the big push

Having faith In RK, as long as he doesn't say "phenomenal".

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28 Jul 2016 07:26:15
Not sure he is "phenomenal" kind of guy New. RM used to wax lyrical about how good we were in defeat. RK wasn't happy when we won.

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28 Jul 2016 10:52:57
watch out prem we're coming for ye. looks like we could be getting brady and guey 2 players who were rubbish last season. and we wonder why no one wants to cum to us they most probably get wind of the dross we are linked with and think why the hell would I want to go there.

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27 Jul 2016 22:39:47
Ha, Talk Sport reeled me into a special Sports Bar chat tonight on Everton and Liverpool's future.
Hmmm, it's been on 40 minutes, so far 98.8% talk about the RS.
Off to bed then!

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27 Jul 2016 21:51:26
We need to make some signings soon. I know people will say we need the right signings and deals take time which i get but all of the top 5 from laSt year are strengthening with arsenal to follow. If we don't I can see next season being a struggle

18 days to go and still optimistic but that's going day by day with no new signings.

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27 Jul 2016 22:37:26
35 days to go to the end of the transfer window. 35 days. 5 weeks or 840 hours or 50400 minutes or 3024000 seconds.

Plenty time to buy a couple of players for a season that lasts for 10 months.

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28 Jul 2016 09:13:22
you can't disagree with time! haha. It's the one constant!

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27 Jul 2016 21:36:47
We have supposedly £100 mill to spend plus the stones money.

Yet once again we see no evidence as of yet we are going to spend.

How can we sell stones first without a very good replacement. I'm starting to worry.

City, utd, Chelsea, Spurs, lfc have all bought. Arsenal will soon. We want to be competing at the top then we need great faces. 18 days till kick off.

I hope they shock me I really do, I am looking forward but I would like us to show the world we can buy big and big name players.

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27 Jul 2016 21:59:43
Unfortunately although we supposedly have money, against the European elite and even the Europa sides we aren't the most attractive proposition to players. Yes we can bid X amount for a player but if he doesn't want to come there's not much we can do about it. Supporting Everton aside, If I had the choice between say Chelsea and Juventus for example, the sad fact of the matter is Everton would be my last choice from a players perspective. Fact is we may have to improve ourselves with what we've got before we can attract a player that will take us to the next level. It also may be worth keeping any money until next summer when we can utilise it more. I would love to be proved wrong though.

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27 Jul 2016 22:23:20
May be in the same position maye. we need to make a good go at qualifying for Europe.

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27 Jul 2016 18:37:13
Here's one perhaps for the Eds to offer a view on.
These days, who generally holds the "whip hand" in transfer dealings: is iit the buying club, the selling club, or the player (more specifically his agent and/ or representatives) . '
Also, how much do the parties involved in transfers use the media to "stir up" (for want of a phrase) matters in order to hopefully strengthen their negotiating positions? I imagine that most transfer speculation in the media comes from someone involved - it isn't just completely made up by journlusts - no matter how confidential the other parties may want to keep matters.

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{Ed002's Note - Generally the selling club is best placed and they don't use the press to try and leverage anything.}

27 Jul 2016 22:48:50
Ed002: thanks for that insight.

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27 Jul 2016 19:00:37
Looks like Stones is off then. 50 millionish to City. Have not seen any strengthening of our squad yet. but the bank balance is looking healthier. I am with Howie on players wanting European football. It is what most of them say and now we will have 150 million plus any Premier League money. probably another 50 million burning a hole in our preverbial pockets. Yet so far no major signing. Wait to see how that affects Lukaku too?

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27 Jul 2016 19:16:15
Forget about Lukaku for a minute. If we lose stones and Jags doesn't get a pre season under his belt through injury then we will need to get in three at the back of pretty decent quality. I know transfers take time but that's going some if you ask me.

Plus a keeper, left wing, cover at right back, a CDM and finally one striker if Lukaku stays but two if he goes.

Well Mr Walsh, get your swag on son.

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27 Jul 2016 19:17:36
I think lukaku will be off as he will use Stones as an excuse. We need to make a statement signing asap, as it stands it looks like we are struggling massively. People will look at Everton as a selling club and players want Europe plus ambition of a future club.

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27 Jul 2016 19:31:37
I really hate to put it like this, but I said this would happen all through RM's reign. I got absolutely slated for being so "negative" when pointing out that our ageing squad needed younger signings than Barry, Alcaraz, Kone, McGeady . especially when considering Osman and Pienaar and to some extent Gibson and Baines were nearing the end. Jags too. I know it will rattle some people but the damage was already done in my opinion. In my original posts I suggested that we may find it difficult to hold on to our younger gems like Stones and Lukaku. I know a lot of people think I am negative and that's probably true to some extent, but I did say things as I saw them. I really think we will struggle for top half and I also think we will struggle to get the "big" signings that a lot of people crave. On a more positive note, I do think Mr Walsh has been brought in todo a specific job and trust him to be our best signing this Summer.

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27 Jul 2016 19:33:35
I think it is likely that a certain Mr Moyes will be looking closely at some of our players. Ones who perhaps had happier days playing under him and had a certain amount of trust. albeit misplaced trust.

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27 Jul 2016 19:34:33
Dont think u can tie lukakus staying or going to stones departure. it will depend on whether or not a club meets our evaluation. let's flip it. what if lukaku is offered a bumper contract increase due to stones money? I am already impressed with moshiri. everything the board has done since his arrival has taken time. sacking RM ( with retrospect) , Employing RK, Employing SW. we also have a plethora of youngsters who have been flirting with first team, plus tarashaj. all of whom have been under evaluation since RK came. The stone saga has dragged on Imo because Everton will have been assessing the youngster and assessing new replacements to take over from him. and no doubt trying to convince stones to stay. its my guess they'll have identified replacement (internal or otherwise) . i suspect same will happen with any other player they sell. everton fans really do need to stay calm and start thinking more positive. its been about 4 months since moshiri came in. and the changes made are the most significant I have seen for a very long time. exciting times imo.

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27 Jul 2016 20:04:02
It's very easy to say that Steve Walsh will be our best signing looking at his previous achievements, but he will only be a good signing for us based on his recruitment as DOF. In his own words his prime directive is player recruitment. I am excited about what is expected from him but at the same time I am worried about the amount of recruitment needed in this window.

It's not impatience nor is it unrealistic expectations. I'm sure it'll be alright by end of August but right now it does look a little concerning.

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27 Jul 2016 20:18:16
JCL - the most objective post I've seen on here in a while. RK has played nearly 20 players in each of the last two friendlies to have a look at them, including most of the kids. Stones and Lukaku may go, but they haven't yet and I don't believe for a minute they'd be allowed to unless we had identified and were suitably confident of securing replacements. Let's not forget, RK has produced incredible results in the last two seasons after selling his team's best players.

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27 Jul 2016 20:32:59
Stones is off mate. Clubs are in talks and valuation is almost met. more importantly. he wants to go. Lukaku may then be triggered into becoming restless again. That sems to happen to him every time the wind changes.

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27 Jul 2016 20:57:01
Stones is off based on what? From what I've seen Citeh haven't even made a formal bid yet, so how has his valuation almost been met? None of us have any idea who is coming or going. Some people jump on the potentially positive rumours then get annoyed when they don't happen, others start banging on about the worst potential rumours and get negative.

Until something happens one way or the other, there's no point winding yourself up.

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27 Jul 2016 20:58:07
It's just getting the first one big signing that matters for u guys, once that happens other players will take notice and think "hey something is going on there". Might need to pay over the odds for the biggy, but in the end it will be worthwhile.

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27 Jul 2016 21:13:46
Windsor. i just think that u don't become a billionaire or top plauer/ manager by accident. As far as moshiri goes he's no baffoon. your either business savvy and surround with very intelligent people or your incredibly intelligent. either way he knows what he's doing. as far as koemen goes. rather than placate us fans with a big name he's done what he said he would. looking and evaluating whole squad. the apptmt of Walsh shows that there is a plan to all of this. same as the stones and lukaku saga. the board are ensuring they have the moves in place for all eventualities. i am not panicking one bit. tbf my outlook has changed only through coming on here and listening to other readers and eds.

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27 Jul 2016 21:36:55
That's what I mean JCL, I think you're bang on. It takes time to assess why you've got both in the first team and youth squads. People seem to think because we get a billionaire investor that we'll rival Manure for Pogba. The media have us buying and selling about 15 players but I've seen nothing to suggest any of them will happen.

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27 Jul 2016 21:58:58
Spot on windsor.

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27 Jul 2016 22:18:45
Degsy you one miserable sod. You wait for the slightest bit of news you can turn negative then twist it to such extremes in order for it to fit your doomsday theories.

Can you give it a rest and go watch its a wonderful life. And don't turn it off before the happy ending either!

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28 Jul 2016 08:43:27
BlueJohnUns I am quite a happy person actually. I report facts. They may be facts that people do not want to hear, but facts are facts. WindsorBlue, Man City have stated they are in advanced talks with Everton and both clubs valuations are not a million miles away. This will probably alert Chelsea and other clubs who were originally interested but fell below what Everton expected for Stones. All in all I would say unless Stones does not fancy a move (unlikely) that it is on. Back to my posts. I have commented in the past that I worry that my fellow Blues are getting over-excited about Mr Mori's money and signing players is as much to do with being successful (which our Everton is not at present) . If that makes me negative, then I am negative. I see it as being realistic. Same happened when Moyes went and Roberto Martinez came in. I was accused of being negative. 2 or 3 posters on here became almost abusive and I kept repeating my own beliefs. If you happen to think that finishing 11th 2 seasons running, having 150 million quid to sign players makes everything sunshine and roses, then carry on. I saw Aston Villa with Randy Learner's money get relegated. I saw Newcastle with Mike Ashley's money get relegated. What is more important is the club's infrastructure. I do believe Steve Walsh is a great move but we will not benefit from him for probably 3 seasons. I believe we will be bottom half this season. I base that thought on the damage that was done over thelast 3 seasons. We had a very ageing squad and the list of players that we brought in was inferior to the ones coming up to retirementor were just transfered out. I say that based on age and ability. Retiring or coming up to retirement over the last 3 years: Osman, Pienaar, Gibson, Jags, Distin, Neville, Saha, Naismith, Jelavic, Fellaini, Heitinger, Hibbert. Then look at the signings of Alcaraz, Barry, Niasse, Kone, McGeady. Yes I know Martinez made some good signings. but he allowed a very ageing squad to age more by not replacing the senior players with young 1st team players. We may have the best youth squad around, but these are not yet 1st team players. I apologise if you think I am miserable, I am a realist!

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28 Jul 2016 09:29:16
You are the eternal pessimist Degsy. You want, thrive and seek negativity then hope and wish it all comes true to massage your ego so you can say I'm right and you are all wrong.

By the way City have not stated to anyone they are in advanced talks and not a million miles away in their valuations. If and I expect he will go it is no surprise as this has been coming for a while. What we and most well run clubs do is hold out for the fee they are looking for. That's what we will do.

The next thing that happens, and this may come as a surprise to you, is that we will probably go out and buy a new CB! It's shocking I know but believe it or not that pretty much is what happens in football.

It's not the end of the world, a big bright light won't appear and the whole of Everton is not swallowed up in it. Life just simply moves on.

Your description of all things Everton would make us all think we haven't been a football club for 138 years and know what we are doing!

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28 Jul 2016 11:58:48
I just don't think we have as good a squad as you obviously do BlueJohnUns. The fact we are about to probably lose one of our best up and coming assets reinforces my belief. Please tell me which topcenter half we are likely to sign? Having money in the bank is great. Having footballers on the pitch is better. I see people saying it is good business selling Stones for 50 million. I totally disagree. It is only good buisness if we sign a better player. The money is irrelevant.

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27 Jul 2016 18:30:51
Don't know about the rest of you blues, but I'll be booking Wednesday 31st of August off to watch Transfer Deadline day as that's looking like the day when we do most of our business. Not ideal but at least an entertaining watch.

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27 Jul 2016 21:51:57
By then, we will av, a top line keeper, c/ back, one, maybe two midfield player, plus new striker.

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27 Jul 2016 18:15:53
The reported interest in Lamine Kone of Sunderland reminds me that he scored twice in their 3-0 defeat of us last season.
That result - and especially our performance - put the final nail in the coffin of Roberto Martinez's Everton managerial career. Perhaps that should warm Kone to many Evertonian's hearts - unlike his namesake that RM brought with him from Wigan and who's never really convinced the Goodison faithful.

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27 Jul 2016 18:08:25
The reported interest in Idrissa Gueye of Aston Villa reminds me that he was in the Lille team that we played in the 2014-15 UEFA Europa Legue group stage. I have no recollection of how he played in those two matches - do any of you?

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27 Jul 2016 19:01:13
I'm pretty sure that Lille didn't concede many goals with that team so hopefully he had something to do with that.

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27 Jul 2016 19:02:07
Stood out like a snowflake in a snowstorm mate.

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27 Jul 2016 16:34:09
Have said it before but it does seem pointless putting in big bids against teams with Eropean footie or with a recent success in Europe, which we hae none. The players in mind might be quality n we can now afford them but they just aren't going to chose us over the other teams. Its obvious really.

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27 Jul 2016 16:41:31
Cos a footballer has never been greedy for more money?

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27 Jul 2016 16:54:20
Not at those prices no need to be. See Chelsea have now bid £38mil for Koubily, and bidding same as us for Carvalho. Its no contest really is it? however much we are a bigger club historically, the European thing and they have Italy's last Manager leaves it obvious who the player will chose. Need to leave it to Walsh to come up with players like Idrssa G at Villa, at £7.2mil. Its where were at until we can get into Europe, its a fact sadly.

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27 Jul 2016 16:55:33
Well I have to agree with Howie on this one. now then. let's list players who signed for a none European involved club when a European one also bid for them. or even let's list the ones who have signed for us this window. Even the Stoke guy is saying he would rather stay at Stoke. Money does talk. I get your point Kingo, but when everything else is equal, footballers want medals and success. When a Euro team bids, they can offer bonuses for winning more trophies that we can. They can usually list other players already joining them. as in all the top 6 English clubs have already made some big signings and us? Kingo, I wish you were right mate but the proof is in the pudding. I think we will need all Steve Walshes skills to unearth gems mate.

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27 Jul 2016 17:01:17
Money is a massive part. However playing time and ambitions also plays a part. Granted we can't offer european football yet. But if we can sell the ambition of european football whilst offering a competative wage most bench warmers would be willing to sign. Its just a case of identifying what we need and who fits the bill. there's plenty of bench warmers at bigger clubs that would improve our starting 11 so no need to worry. Personally i'm not 2 bothered wether we get a marquee signing as long as the squad is competative and wins that will be enough for me.

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27 Jul 2016 17:16:00
Can some one please remind me which European competition Chelsea are in this season?

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27 Jul 2016 17:48:36
That my point. Agree or not, we are at the same level as Chelsea this season (all be it not in London) . This won't happen, but if we went for 11 players and offered them a couple of million more than anyone else, success should follow. Pelle, relatively unknown before Southampton. European football. Leaves. 6th highest paid player in the world. Not because of his love for Chinese Chow Mein. Conte not a HUGE name. Koeman perhaps more well known. At least not light years apart. Although I agree we got to play catch up after our 2 seasons of 11th place.

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27 Jul 2016 18:13:41
Answered urself there. If u read my original post it says recent European Comps also quality players. If we go the Walsh route like Pelle were ok, but if you go for known quality, £30mil plus, were not going to compete with your Chelseas Man Utd, dare i say it RS, because they have the Recent Euro credentials.

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27 Jul 2016 17:37:06
sa90 that is not what the poster said, he/ she said that any player would choose another Club that had shown recent form in Europe or regularly got there over us. Chelsea falls into that category, those type of players would also not suffer financially because sadly even with Mr Moshri's money we are still low down in the pecking order financially speaking.

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27 Jul 2016 17:38:44
Degsy so far this summer the signings involving Premier League clubs where they have moved from clubs in Europe to those not in Europe:
Kante Leicester - Chelsea
Tomkins West Ham - Palace
Mane Southampton - Liverpool
Karius Mainz - Liverpool
Fischer Ajax - Middlesbrough
van der Hoorn Ajax - Swansea
Kabasele Genk - Watford

Ronald Koeman Southampton - Everton

And those moving from Champo league teams to Europa League teams:
Bailly Villarreal - Man Utd
Mkhitaryan Dortmund - Man Utd
Ibrahimovic PSG - Man Utd
Hojbjerg Bayern - Southampton

It's impossible to say how many of these were wanted by clubs in Europe but I would be willing to bet that most had interest elsewhere. I agree that Europe makes a big difference, but it is simplistic to say it is the primary focus of players. And the above shows that there are quality players available despite us not being in Europe.

I actually think one of our biggest difficulties is against London sides as many foreign players are attracted to the draw of the capital. But signings will happen, just keep the patience.

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27 Jul 2016 18:57:13
Just read that Man City are in talks with us for Stones at around 50 million. Will be interested to see why he is going to Man City. I am sure he will tell us.

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27 Jul 2016 18:57:26
Your missing the point i made. Given the choice of us or other teams with recent Euro history credentials they would not chose us, as your list shows.

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27 Jul 2016 19:07:17
The agents do play one club off against the other in order to obtain the best deal for their player. but when all other things are equal. the player willchoose a Euro team most times. as all the signings to date show. And to think we can outbid Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool etc is naive. Maybe if we were in a 1:1 fight for a player with Leicester, we might have a chance. but then again, they may be able to afford a bit too now.

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28 Jul 2016 05:25:47
Let Chelsea pay near on £40m for a player who has only played in a very poor league that is so slow you have to check you haven't pressed live pause! England and Italy are 2 totally different leagues. I for one wouldn't want us to gamble that amount of money at all.

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27 Jul 2016 13:48:36
At the game last night and spent most of it explaining to the missus the difference between a friendly and a full on game. Totally lost it went half a dozen changes made in one go, and spent the rest of the half telling her who's who. Apart from that felt some of the build up play looked a little sharper, with Kevin Ross and Gerry working particularly well. Thought the keeper looked OK despite some dodgy defending, still. We still need a centre back, a holding mid and at least two strikers. Hopefully these are on the way. Lastly it was good to see so many young blues with there families at the game last night. The future for them is bright I believe.

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27 Jul 2016 13:23:02
ed25, do you know if Mcarthy, and or jags will be going to Germany, if not, how long are they likley to be out?

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27 Jul 2016 12:59:05
Lookin forward to seeing how the under 21s get on again decent lower league sides like Bolton, Blackpool and Cheltenham in the EFL trophy.

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27 Jul 2016 12:47:56
Ive been a blue for years and i seriously cannot remember being so relaxed during a transfer window before. Am i concerned about our lack of activity so far. Not at all. I have complete faith in our new set up and imho our recruitment will just get better and better each window.

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27 Jul 2016 12:02:36
See we have entered our academy side into the EFL Trophy. More recognisable as the Johnstones Paint Trophy.

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27 Jul 2016 13:32:04
Give it to the fa, it was a great move to allow youth teams to join the jpt. It should have been done years ago mind but I'll overlook that. Hopefully will be one step in improving English football. Will get youth involved in a real tournament alongside teams that are full of experienced, battle hardened pros.

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27 Jul 2016 14:21:06
It's a bit like how Spain do it Barcelona B team was in think it was their 3rd division that's why the youth set up in Spain has always been good. If our lads play against better players it is going to make them better. Great move by FA.

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27 Jul 2016 11:40:36
If idrisa geuye came in, I would imagine there would be a central midfield exit whether it be perm or a besic loan. Could imagine Mccarthy potentially getting the chop.

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27 Jul 2016 12:07:02
I can't see Besic leaving mate, can see Barry or James Mc though as seems strange not played in friendlies at all, maybe sweeten the deal for the Villa lad with GazBaz as there will be a few teams in for Gueye.

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27 Jul 2016 14:52:38
Could do with besic playing game in game out this season for his development if he isn't given that chance with us. I think he's quality just needs more game time. When i said permanent that's who I meant Barry or Mccarthy, however I'd like to keep Barry for his experience etc.

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27 Jul 2016 11:01:40
Dont take notice of the Villa lads buy out clause as Villa ITK saying it was because they got relegated, would have been 20 million if they stayed up

I know its YouTube and me mam would look good on there but Gueye does look quality, he would have been Kante's replacement at Leicester

Welcome to Goodison Mr Steve Walsh DOF.

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27 Jul 2016 11:17:30
Another 5 games in the PL last season Murf and we would have been playing Villa this season!

JS and RL would be different propositions in terms of transfer fees for sure!

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27 Jul 2016 12:14:27
Thank fook for Mr Moshiri Blue247, otherwise we would still have a certain manager at the helm.

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27 Jul 2016 13:11:03
Yep. . . TFI FM and TFI RK. . . Happy days at long last!

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27 Jul 2016 10:09:04
Just a quick question to any blues who have been around Goodison recently.

Have we started work yet on the outside of the stadium or does anyone have an idea when it is going to start?

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27 Jul 2016 13:57:31
Was by ground last week but couldn't see any work going on.
Don't know why they are bothering really it's like putting lipstick on a Hippo.

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27 Jul 2016 15:30:31
The conspiracy theorist in me is that we are likely to be in the new ground in 2 years and an announcement is imminent. Therefore, the plans to renovate the exterior have been shelved.

Personally and maybe realistically I don't think we will be moving into the new stadium for another 3 to 5 years.

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27 Jul 2016 10:03:09
So were all aware before we get too excited. Activating a price clause is just that. There are several clubs who want him and Villa say they want to keep him, so that activates a bidding war. So the £7.2mil is just the start, a long way to go on this one.

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27 Jul 2016 10:39:37
Just out of curiosity, if he has a release clause of 7.2m, how could there be a bidding war as surely all the clubs would pay 7.2m? . Then it's up to the player to choose which club he'd like to join.

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{Ed002's Note - It really isn't as simple as that. A release clause is only legally binding within the country whose law the contract is written under. As such, if a German club came along and made a similar offer the club would have no obligation to ask the player if he would be interested in the move. Termination clauses which end a contract are becoming more common because of this. Buy out clauses are very rare nowadays.}

27 Jul 2016 12:48:30
Good info ed, thanks.

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27 Jul 2016 14:56:35
Ed, considering what you just said is there really any point in a release clause these days?

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{Ed002's Note - They are used as a deterent and an indicator of what a club might accept.}

27 Jul 2016 09:53:10
One minute we are all excited as the club embarks on a new era, now we are all making negative statements about players who we may or may not sign, somethings never change.

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27 Jul 2016 10:27:40
JT. . . things will change eventually mate, however the damage that the bloke with 'brown shoes' left behind is probably more far reaching than anyone thought it could possibly be.

However fortune has smiled on us, bringing FM and RK to our rescue and their good stewardship will bear some sweet fruit!

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27 Jul 2016 13:55:23
Couldn't agree more Blue247 ( well I could but I am not going to ) The damage done has not just been to the squad but to the whole of the clubs structure. RM is not entirely to blame as the rot set in years prior to his appointment. I would go as far as saying it started just after the RS got us banned from Europe, same year as we won the cup winners cup, for some reason our transfers just a nose dive, the club was walking about like a fart in a trance and has done until now. RM is responsible for the other 80% of the damage. FM and RK are a breath of fresh air to the club and are giving it the slap it needs. RK will give us 3 years and I think he will leave but in those 3 years him, FM and SW will totally transform the club and put us back on the footballing map where we belong.

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27 Jul 2016 16:36:16
GT. . . Yes if you widen this picture to the 80's we can pin point the beginning of our long arduous journey one without real drive or direction for many a season!
The FA cup win was great of course, however like we all knew then at the time it was an anomaly a breif interlude into glory.
Perhaps the opportunity to step up a notch was post the DM era, with the stability he gave us a good coach with a defensive as well as attacking mindset could easily have improved on what we had at the time! except we wasted it on a false prophet and managerial charletan .

Though now, looking forward just isn't filled with stoic resignation anymore, I personally feel quite optimistic.

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27 Jul 2016 16:59:31
100% right Blue247.

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27 Jul 2016 09:04:53
I wonder if the idrissa gueye link is a Walsh link. Possibly who he was lining up as kante replacement at leicester. He was second only to kante for defensive midfield play last season. If he is signed up, he could turn out to be a shrewd signing and cheaper than Witsel.

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27 Jul 2016 09:33:45
Got there before you fella lol.

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27 Jul 2016 08:19:00
Koeman said something last night that a few have been talking about on here. He mentioned about how the DM must be more than just a tough tackle and that they have to give more up front. If there is an opportunity to move forward and score he must take that chance.

This is something I talked about regarding McCarthy and Besic to a degree. Hopefully this is something they can learn to do more under Koeman and for Besic it seems more natural but I get the feeling if you don't learn you will be replaced quite quickly.

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27 Jul 2016 17:00:45
Been banging that drum a long time mate. Its also (dare I mention it) about goals.

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27 Jul 2016 07:47:33
I still can't understand the moaning. If the reports are to be believed, Lamine Kone and Idrissa Gueye would be good signings in my opinion. Both have good stats and would cost far less than other options, which leaves more money in the pot for other positions. Some of you just assume that say, Koulibaly would automatically be better because we would be paying £45m, without considering that he has never played in the PL, and that Serie A is a much slower paced game (and may I remind you that Per Kroldrup looked good in Italy) .

I know we can afford more, but imagine where we would be now had we ignored Coleman, Baines, Jagielka, Cahill and Arteta because of how much they cost and who they played for.

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27 Jul 2016 08:51:51
I really think that Steve Walsh's influence is beginning to be felt. He is a numbers cruncher and will have studied all of the Pros and Cons of a player like Gueye verses the 45M options. He will also have been aware of the 7.1M release clause in his contract.

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27 Jul 2016 10:31:17
@Tommy personally i'm not fussed on how much we sign its the farting around we seem to do when signing someone. You could understand it when we were skint we wanted to get the most for our money and not overspend often. But now we have cash, we have a player identified that we want, but then we pussyfoot with the price and wage etc and take an age to sign someone. I like the look of this gueye (no pun intended) but if you have a target in mind just go buy him and buy him quick so he has time to settle not really arsed how much he costs.

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27 Jul 2016 11:50:30
I understand what you mean Mikey, and I probably do tend to err on the side of caution a bit too much. However we haven't got a bottomless pit of money. £100m isn't that much to spend nowadays. Just say, for example, the press is right and we go out and sign Witsel (£30m) , Koulibaly (£45m) and Sissoko (£35m) . There's our £100m gone before we have bought a new GK, a backup striker and a left winger. We need to budget smartly to ensure that if someone really good becomes available we have the money to spend on them.

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27 Jul 2016 15:06:20
I would imagine the stones money would cover the majority of the koulibaly transfer leaving more funds available, how much I don't know after wages and the individual details and clauses. But I see your point. If we start paying over the odds for players to ensure we get targets (if we are as interested as papers say) teams agents and players will take the mock when it comes to their demands. Plus the transfer dealings are complex so just getting a player you want isn't really how it goes the majority of the time. Plus teams like liverpool would have had longer for their staff and managemental to scout players and have plans and agreements within the club in place for a long period before the opening of the window, also with new moves possible. We had have huge changes so time was important.

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