Everton Banter Archive November 27 2016

27 Nov 2016 23:48:14
we cannot change the personal, at least for the next 7 games, the yonger players may not be fully cooked, but it seems like the best bet for now, givern the performance of some of those excuses that turned out today. ps, if they can get any sort of fee for Barkley, snach there hands off.

28 Nov 2016 00:03:25
Barkley needs help in midfield JCW, Barry and Gana play so deep to protect our brittle back four that he is left on his own. Not all his fault mate.

28 Nov 2016 08:23:08
Gana was getting forward yesterday and again probably our best player, Barkley for all his possession created nothing, he lacks that killer pass to players ahead of him.

28 Nov 2016 15:50:10
So once again it's Barkley fault jesus give it a rest maybe if the likes of Lukaku Barkley and Lennon actually moved for him he could pick a pass out yes Barkley has faults ie he can't tackle and his decision making needs to improve but you can't blame him he gets the ball turns and has no outlay so either has to keep hold of it or play it backwards yet he is the easiest one to blame can anybody tell me what Lukaku does if he isn't scoring goals he loses the ball as his first touch is like a bus crash or he throws his arms in the air blaming everyone else it's players like him who should be moaned at and sold at least Barkley loves our club.

27 Nov 2016 19:03:43
If we blamed RM last year when we where beaten then we have to blame RK when we lose. to me i think the signing he has made have been a water of money and I think he has lost the dressing room. he simply is not good enough for our club and I can't see how we can improve with this squad I think it's going to be a terrible season ahead and not sure RK will be here to see it out and it will cost us a fortune to get rid of him and put us back again.

{Ed033's Note - When RK was appointed as Everton manager, it was unknown whether RK was going to become a top manager or not, and therefore he was worth a punt at the time to replace RM. It appears now that he is not a top manager.

27 Nov 2016 23:04:13
Things don't look good, granted. Think we need to give Koeman more than 13 games before we chuck him. Everton have given managers plenty of time before. Can't see or think why they would let Koeman go. Surely he's here for at the very least the end of the season. Unless things get drastically worse.

27 Nov 2016 23:22:43
So we are still blaming managers, at any point is anyone going to admit that maybe the players are not up to it.
I find it incredible that people are still blaming the manager, this is now 2 that can't get the best out of the players so maybe the blame needs to be looked at elsewhere!

27 Nov 2016 23:40:51
Agree Sid. We still have far to many average players at the club, and to many injury prone players. If I hear one more supporter say Gibson is the answer I will scream. We lack consistency, and you don't get that with injury prone players. We lack talented midfielders. Today we ended up with three wingers on the pitch . But most of all we lack a leader, someone who won't settle for poor standards and who leads by example. And no Jags isn't the one. This team is like a ship without a rudder, going bloody nowhere.

27 Nov 2016 23:49:48
Bit confusing that post Sid. Not that I agree but if '2 managers can't get the best out of the players' surely that means the team is underperforming. As in, the best is not being gotten out of them. That is after all the managers job. All you can ask of the manager really.

I'm not blaming Koeman at this stage. Way too early. Next May at the earliest he should be judged properly imo. Hell, if I'm being totally honest the end of the 2017/ 18 season is when he should be properly judged. Rather than 13 games.

28 Nov 2016 02:04:55
Or it means that the players are not good enough, are incapable of carrying out the managers instructions. Do not have the skill to do what the manager wants. Don't understand what he is asking them to do.
Maybe what we are currently seeing is the best that both managers can get out of the players currently at their disposal, and that is all the players are capable of giving and these players are not as good as everyone thinks.
I have never seen an Everton side with so little movement in front of the man with the ball. I suspect this is why Barkley dawdles on the ball and eventually loses it because when he looks forward to move the ball on the players in front of him are stationary. This then leads the fans getting frustrated with him.

27 Nov 2016 20:33:56
Word of caution:Most of us are hoping in Jan we add more quality to our squad but remember this regime spent €30mil on bolasie ten times the price of mc geady and for which we are still slating Martinez for buying. Tried to spend big on Perez and sissoko who both can't make their respective first teams.

27 Nov 2016 21:14:19
Both Perez and Sissoko would walk into our team though so don't see what the point you are making is? Bolasie definitely isn't no McGeady that's for sure.

27 Nov 2016 21:23:11
The transfer market has gone out of control mate just look at what the so called top clubs are spending Bolasie is only worth half that price.

27 Nov 2016 22:27:13
I think its a bit harsh to judge bolasie i think he puts in 100% ya can see is effort on the pitch its more than what the rest of them are doing he needs to get settled its not his fault he is a 30mil player he doesn't choose his price tag Bit harsh i think.

28 Nov 2016 07:06:57
Totally agree evocallum he was the only player today who when he lost the ball went straight after it and on most occasions won it back. You really can't blame the front players when we have a midfield and backline that sit so deep they are playing on the titanic. Just look at how many times van dijk had the ball in our half, he could do that as he has the pace to recover which is why i say let's give mori and holgate a chance to form a formidable partnership.

28 Nov 2016 08:25:42
Bolasie has power pace and is a tremendous athlete and he puts a shift in, unlike Lennon, Mirallas and delofeu.

27 Nov 2016 20:02:19
Under Moyes, it was never a case of the team not playing for the manager.
Under Martinez, it was well into his third season before it became clear that the team wasn't playing for him (although he'd clearly alienated some individual players before then) .
Under Koeman, there are already rumblings that the team aren't playing for him. Well, the performances (especially first half) aren't good, but there's surely no way he's lost the players so quickly.
Thoughts anyone?

27 Nov 2016 20:07:43
Sid those people who wore our shirt today are a disgrace and need a good slap no more excuses just get rid and let's go with the kids for now.

27 Nov 2016 20:12:11
Liverpool fan here mate

You need quality players in the next two windows and things could change. You have nothing upfront than Lukaku. Your midfield is poor and lacks any sort of creativity and your backline cannot cope up against pace and flair.
You need players!

{Ed025's Note - i cant say that i usually agree with liverpool fans chin but your dead right, that tonight was just not good enough by anyones standards, and it does not help that your lot are knocking it out of the park mate.. :)

27 Nov 2016 20:25:15
Lol Ed025 thanks for the compliment.
You need at lest two quality CF which you don't have atm. I am not a fan of Lukaku ( he has a terrible first touch and is not an RK player at all )
Midfield is poor, there exist no creativity. You don't have midfielder who could pass the ball into spaces.
Your backline is weak. Any striker with half decent pace will drag Jags down to loo.

Southampton is not an explosive team after all but they made you look terrible.

No offense guys. 😎.

{Ed025's Note - thanks for stating the bleedin obvious chin.. :)

27 Nov 2016 20:47:13
I have been saying the same. but at the start of this season thought Koeman had got a system that suited us. However, the last number of games he has had us playing like the last 3 seasons with such a slow build up. I have also come to the conclusion that Lukaku is a great finisher if given the opportunity. However, his link up play is dreadful and it takes him losing the ball 15 times before he has a moment of brilliance. If he comes up agains a center half with a bit of pace and strength, he is out of the game. I have said the creativity was lost when Pienaar and Osman retired. The other creative player we have is Mirrallas. But he has not had a look in since Moyes left. Barkley keeps making the wrong decisions and slows play up when we have the pace of Lennon and Bolasie to use. I am not over reacting when I say we look disjointed and void of any team structure. We need a few wins and our fixtures over the next month are difficult to say the least. Some serious questions need asking in the dressing room and as for Koeman's pre match statement that we were going to press because it was so important could not have been further from the truth. We kicked off, played 3 simple passes and lost possession on the 3rd. We then stood off them and allowed them in behind us. If that is pressing, I don't know what to say. We need a reaction over the next month, but I don't know if we are capable. Gloom!

27 Nov 2016 23:31:26
I think Barkley slows the play up because the 3 men in front of him, Lukaku, Bolasie and whoever it is this week very rarely move, so when he looks up there is no one to pass to so he has to dwell on the ball, and then he gets closed down.
The ball is rarely played into space because if the ball doesn't go to Rom's feet he isn't going to move for it.
I have never known a team to be so poor off the ball.
Barry and Gana move but that is usually in our own half but when we get to the final third our attacking players just stop.

27 Nov 2016 20:00:20
I have read this website for nearly two years and resisted to make a comment.

At first I was one of a few who did not want Mr K.

Then after a few weeks thought hey, not bad.

Now I no I think I was right in my thinking.

No bottle to get rid of the over the hill mob.

27 Nov 2016 19:31:54
We've had 20 years of not winning a trophy, of false dawns, dashed hopes, losing big matches, and other disappointments that many fans are now of the mentality that "we're Everton - this is what we do".
Sure, we get really down - often angry - when we lose (especially when we perform badly in the process) , but we're less and less surprised by these setbacks. In fact, we don't think of them as setbacks - we just accept them in our fatalistic view of Everton regularly falling short far too often. As a club, we lost the mentality of winners - we became perpetual also-rans.
Hopefully, FM, SW, RK, etc., can make that all change over the next few years.

27 Nov 2016 19:55:50
Next few weeks I hope Cowpat, GuernseyBlue.

27 Nov 2016 19:47:13
I have to agree with everything you say there sid except RK is not one of them.

27 Nov 2016 18:33:00
Next 4 games United, Watford, Arsenal and Liverpool. After a positive start to the season and i was feeling optimistic, i seriously cannot defend performances like that today. I do feel if we play like that in these next 4 games we will lose badly. Jags needs dropping he looks like a liability every game, Rom needs more support up top and maybe its time we played Valencia from the off to offer that support and drop a midfielder, after all its not like they offer us any protection at the back or penetration going forward. We have to start games on the front foot because we can't continue like this chasing games. Mori or Holgate should replace Jags, Valencia can come in up top and replace Ross who again didn't offer any support to Rom. We need changes soon or we could find ourselves drifting into complacency.

27 Nov 2016 18:49:31
I have to agree mate bring in Holgate for Jags and get Barkley out of the team until he is good enough to be played in midfield and learns to tackle cause he is no forward, a totally wasted player.

27 Nov 2016 20:39:12
I agree I would bring in Mori for Jags, Holgate for Coleman, Davies for Barry and Lenwin to play up front with Lukaku. To me this season it seem to be the same players who have under achieve this season who are getting pick again and again. Give youth a chance like Southampton did today.

27 Nov 2016 18:24:46
Everton need to play an Everton. That team you play when your team hasn't won in 10 games and you have a striker who hasn't scored in about 4 seasons and then they just let you walk all over them. Pity there is only one Everton in the league.

27 Nov 2016 18:20:31
Dear me. Southampton played in Europe on Thursday no? So they would usually struggle in the next game? Like I have said many many times. we have no goalscorers other than Lukaku and Barkley. so stop them and you stop Everton.

27 Nov 2016 18:25:23
You mentioned Barkley as a goal scorer I only see lukaku it's very hard to watch thought out the team there are players that need a kick up the ass or pushing out the door words can't describe the anger at watching that today.

27 Nov 2016 18:41:34
Barkley is not a goal scorer and he is not a number 10, a number 10 is a forward who creates chances for others as well as scores they're never prolific but they make up for that by what they bring to the team
Barkley is a midfield player who scores goals he needs to be played in midfield or dropped altogether, we are playing with 10 1/ 2 players every week when he is played as a number 10 or even 10 players when you see him dropping deeper but doing nothing and Leaving Lukaku isolated up front, the team is so unbalanced at the minute that drastic changes are needed.

27 Nov 2016 19:14:26
He was our 2nd highest scorer last season with 8. Tellmewho else has scored goals for us? Especially from midfield? Like I said. stop Lukaku and Barkley and this Everton team have no more goalscorers. Kone was 3rd with 5! The season before Mirallas and Naismith chipped in with a few. in fact Mirallas had a few seasons of scoring until Martinez stopped picking him and his confidence drained away. I thought we were making progress after Koeman's signings and the first 5 games, but now I am not so sure.

27 Nov 2016 17:22:13
This is seriously getting worrying now. It's a good job we got those points early on, because we are playing like a relegation side right now. Forget Europe we need to focus on staying in the Prem .

27 Nov 2016 15:50:21
What's the score today lads

Been away for a while.

27 Nov 2016
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27 Nov 2016 12:05:12
I have been saying for
The last 3 seasons y don't we go in for sigurdsson from swansea he is class in my opinion very smart player plus he has a hek of a ryt and left foot for set peaces an am sure he would be available.

27 Nov 2016 12:23:06
Thought we did during the summer. Swansea didn't want to sell and he didn't want to leave.