Everton Banter Archive November 27 2017

27 Nov 2017 22:05:10
There are no guarantees, but Allerdice is the nearest to it for keeping us up, there is NOTHING more important than that. If we stay up with something to spear, a'm sure those that don't want him will say there was no need to bring him in, but i was at the wimbilbon game and never want to feel like that on the last day of the season ever again.

27 Nov 2017 22:52:13
Jcw, i for one don't really want big sam, but if he keeps us up i won't say we did not need him, i am praying we stay up and will thank any manager who does that, on another note he's not squeeky clean but that's because he got found out, who is these days? And suppose can't be too bad a manager if england chose him, can he? let's hope we stay up and start our climb again, onwards and up.

27 Nov 2017 20:19:29
If you would of asked me last month, I would of said no to big Sam.
Ask me now and all I know, that it can't be unsworth.
We need a leader and a strong manager! Is that big Sam? Not sure but if he is given the job then I will support him 100%.

27 Nov 2017 19:59:43
Seen yes and no for Sam, Rhino hasn't brought the best out of the players we have, best of what, roll on Jan, get rid of, Baines, Jags, Lennon, Miralles, and more, BUT, do we have the pulling power to replace them, money talks Mr Moshri, put yer money in it for the Club, the Fans COYB.

27 Nov 2017 21:31:04
Don’t forget Williams who must be the worst Centre half in the premier league 😫😫.

27 Nov 2017 22:02:31
Why would you get rid of Baines and Lennon?

28 Nov 2017 06:16:45
January isn't a time to clear out players, certainly not the likes of Baines and Lennon. Although I do concede I couldn't care less if Williams, Mirallas or Schneiderlin ever kicked a ball for us again. The priority above all else in Jan is to sign a CB. If we can sort out our leaky defence we ca just about find enough goals to stay up with what we've got. If we can get a good striker that would be amazing. We also need to sign a back up left back (or register Garbutt somehow) . In the summer we can sort the rest out.

27 Nov 2017 19:38:16
Let's be sensible here now guys! Half the posts on here lately have been 'this is our year to go down', 'we're heading for the championship' etc. So if it has to be a sour pill to swallow and fat Sam Allardyce comes in and saves us! Then so be it! I'd rather have a guy come in and us lot not like him and save us than accept defeat and go to the championship. Let's look at the bigger picture here guys and be realistic. If he's what it takes to stop the rot and save our premier league status then sign the fat man up!

{Ed002's Note - I think the critical thing is expectations and managing them. Everton were never going to get in to the Champions League next season regardless of Moshiri. Moshiri is a businessman and not a football guy - his efforts should be on infrastructure and planning a managable way forward. Not on looking up coaches on Wikipedia and phoning round. When a club is in the position to restructure and get a boost up they need good advice. And remember the money coming in for PL clubs is very, very high. I explained much of this over the summer. I don't want to say it but I see this as a throw away year for Everton and the club just need to settle in to 12th and have a better plan going forward.}

27 Nov 2017 20:30:46
Honestly, I just want us to play competitive football that is an entertaining 2 hour episode once or twice a week.

Mid-table results pushing to break into the top seven (like the Moyes era) must seeming like a delightful dream now.

Ed002,I don't suppose you're up for the job at Everton.

{Ed002's Note - I can't face the drop in money.}

28 Nov 2017 01:17:39
I wholeheartedly agree with Ed02. Forget everything else this season such as breaking into the top 4 or 6 and cup runs and qualifying for Europe etc. Get solid, get safe and work on building a cohesive team for 2018/ 19. If Sam/ whoever can achieve that I'll be happy.

27 Nov 2017 22:03:12
Ed002. Lot's of talk but surely this Allardyce thing is it now and he won't say no?

{Ed002's Note - The driver is the length of contract.}

27 Nov 2017 22:12:59
I agree with you Ed.

27 Nov 2017 19:05:42
So Morgan says all the players have to work hard and pull together. So what happened yesterday Morgan? I will watch with interest at the West Ham game, expecting a MOTM performance now. We shall see.

27 Nov 2017 21:03:36
Hopefully he ain't on the pitch let alone MOTM.

28 Nov 2017 05:41:50
I would honestly give Schneiderin away for nothing to make a point. He's a disgrace, after the supposed training incident to laughing while we're getting beat 5-1 by Atalanta. He's got some cheek, we don't need his kind in the dressing room or anywhere near the club.

27 Nov 2017 18:14:28
Sorry but if it's Sam then it will be the biggest mistake everton have made in there history and FM will loose all credibility with me . Sam may well keep everton up but at what cost to the club and a don't mean money it will be the biggest backwards step in the club's history and I for one will not be stepping foot inside goodison again.

27 Nov 2017 18:31:11
If it is him Skylark then I think we have to give him a chance and get behind the team. Will not be my favorite appointment but managers come and managers go and we supporters are in it for life.

27 Nov 2017 18:36:35
At least you guys won the transfer window though.

27 Nov 2017 18:56:58
We didn’t choose him as our 1st choice pick IMO I think he’ll turn us down to get one back over on us!

27 Nov 2017 19:23:54
Can I have your season ticket?

27 Nov 2017 20:13:25
Walsh should have been sacked with Koeman. No replacement for Lukaku. If we waited until we had a replacement we probably could have got 100M plus for Lukaku as he transfer window became silly after Neymar sale - see next point and Sigurdsson price. We didn’t need three number 10s. One is a blue but past his best. Sentimental but he’s on 140-150k a week allegedly. Second is from Dutch league and looks at best like needs a season to adjust in a team doing well at worst completely out of his depth and will never make it. Third was a decent player but paid twice as much as we should have done. oh in case anyone forgot we’ve got a boyhood blue who is prob better with more potential than all three but Koeman shattered his confidence. We’ve got Luke Garbutt but not registered to play for first team so no Left back cover. Sandro never a number nine to replace Lukaku. Keane looking very ropey this season. Hopefully just confidence. Pickford looks good. I could go on but you get the drift. What exactly is our director of football on 1M a year allegedly directing!
He recommends Allardyce and Shakespeare as the dream team to the board. Oh an by the way he goes on holiday with Shakespeare. Nepotism. Job for his mates at EFC. It’s a farce in my opinion. Rant over!

{Ed025's Note - good rant though jack..

27 Nov 2017 21:17:41
I'm sure you will find that neither fat Sam nor Shakespear have been invited to join the board.

27 Nov 2017 21:46:27
But we’re led to believe by media that Walsh is the one pushing for Allardyce and Shakespeare from the off in Moshri’s ear. Maybe nonsense. Maybe true. I honestly would like to know the remit of Walsh’s job.

28 Nov 2017 01:09:33
Carry on from some people is a joke! Won’t step foot in Goodison again? Grow up! All this crap about being ashamed to be a blue! Proper scouses don’t chat bubbles like that so you won’t be missed. I support Everton through thick and thin and feel no shame for anything, just want the mess sorting and a smile back on me face, don’t care how it’s achieved.

27 Nov 2017 17:47:02
Tbh I got so many mixed feelings about big Sam as manager.
He was ahead of his time when with Bolton, prozone, fitness etc. But seems to have gained a reputation for long ball but they played some good stuff.

Never really given a chance at a big club like us, with all respect to Newcastle (we have more trophies in our cabinet)

I just don't know whether to be happy or sad if he is appointed. Think we all just need ro give him a chance and get behind him (Or whoever is appointed) and make it fortress goodison again.

28 Nov 2017 09:30:23
Big club.
We haven't been a big club since we sold Garry Steven and Trevor Sephens a continuous downward spiral.

27 Nov 2017 17:29:51
relegation battle were in get sam in now can't believe i'm saying this but we need him and we need to back him or were going down simple as that.

27 Nov 2017 17:01:48
Got to admit I'm happy about Sam. Never thought I would be but after watching our beloved club go downhill I think he will do well for us. Got to remember he has never managed a club with the financial clout we have and it's the biggest job he is going to ever get offered. He will try his best for us and want to prove people wrong.

27 Nov 2017 16:51:58
I'm not his biggest fan but after watching us this season and the position were in, just go and apoint Allardyce, we need to organise this team from back to front starting with defence, he is a master at that ok he is no Pep but we are not going to be in champions league for 2 years min probably longer but I believe Allardyce is good enough to get us the best of the rest he is the safest option that you know he will sort them out, so give him a contract till end of season and then have a look on where we are.

27 Nov 2017 16:13:11
If these allardyce rumours are true you're in for a busy night eds.

{Ed025's Note - i know RIB, i have never wanted him him and am his harshest critic but something has got to change at this club and quick mate..

27 Nov 2017 16:59:23
I understand how you feel Ed025 but desperate times require desperate measures, and Allardyce left the door open he always spoke highly of the club and its supporters.
Unsy is a broken man in these few weeks and cannot change things, the ship needs steadying until January when more positive steps can be taken.
Complete mismanagement and reckless purchases have put us in this position, we look a shambles of a club and the media will be harsh in its reporting, we need to turn things around quickly!

27 Nov 2017 17:32:00
I agree with you Ed, but I believe this could be a good move considering our situation.

27 Nov 2017 17:34:03
Ed him will ruin our club this season he will save is but it’s the aftermath he leaves you with which is 99% knackered the academy players bye bye. Only hope is it’s only 6 month contract with Steve Walsh’s picks if it’s any longer than that I don’t see a future for our club.

27 Nov 2017 15:25:20
its sam allardyce, we've crawled back to him cap in hand, tbf the best chance of survival with no gamble really. real shame.

27 Nov 2017 17:12:33
Some of us said 3 games ago that it is Big Sam or no one and that is not said in hindsight. Fed up of going over old ground. But listen/ read that Ed002 fella, he has hit the nail right on the head every time concerning this debacle. You cannot run a business without listening to other people, it just does not work. The result of I believe Mr Moshri's intransigence is Everton's reputation and good standing if not trashed it has taken a severe beating.

27 Nov 2017 14:51:50
Sam Allardyce is back in to odds on favourite for the job again, this needs sorting asap, someone needs to take over.

26 Nov 2017 18:06:56
Ed025. At the start of the season I was like a guy going out with Julia Roberts and she'd just suggested a threesome with Sharon Stone!
Now I feel like I'm in an arranged marriage with Katie Hopkins!

{Ed025's Note - i know how you feel tezza mate..

27 Nov 2017 17:01:21
you obviously like older women toffee!

27 Nov 2017 18:23:48
Thanks wakka, I'll take that - I'm older than both of them!

27 Nov 2017 14:01:53
I, No doubt like many of you, are absolutely baffled as to what has happened to our club.

Many are blaming the board, and some have given valid reasons why they think so, others have put the blame directly at the managers feet, again some have given valid reason for doing so.

Whilst I am not in favour of DU as our manager (only due to lack of experience) I do not see him as being the reason behind our current situation nor do I blame the board, after all they are actually looking for RK's replacement. Forget what you read in the rags about the board, DU or our pending new manager the only reason it is written is to sell the media they are written for.

To me the problem lays inside the "dressing room", there is something going on that is affecting the whole of the squad, something is adding confusion to the equation. I don't for a moment think it is intentional, but none the less it exists.

I have thought long and hard over what it could be, who could have that much influence over his fellow players, who because of his previous history could more than likely have an influence over DU.

The only player I can think of would be Wayne Rooney. Don't get me wrong here I am actually a big fan of his but I just can't help but think he may be interfering. Due to his pedigree at Man Utd and England could the younger, and even new, players be asking him what they should be doing and where. I mean with the success he has enjoyed it would take a foolish man not to listen to any advice he offers on the QT.

I am sure that IF, and I say IF because it is only a theory, this is what has thrown the dressing room in chaos and confusion, it would of been done for what he perceived to be the right reasons, he thought he was helping. One thing is for certain and that is the dressing room, for whatever reason, are not all on the same playing field as each other.

27 Nov 2017 15:00:41
Sorry I have to disagree that you don’t blame the board as IMHO the buck stops with them .
Sadly we are in a business not a sport and if you had a business Grumpy Toffee you would not sack your manager without any plans of a ready replacement.
West Ham sacked their manager but had another lined up .
Coupled to that we sold Lukaku without anyone having signed .
It’s no good saying we thought we had a replacement.
You don’t sell your main asset without the new one already signed .
Liverpool have a abundance of strikers but still refused to let Coutinho go, same at Arsenal .
In my opinion you could even blame the board re Koeman as if you were able to look back at my posts I highlighted that his record as a manager left a lot to be desired .
I have never met a bunch calling themselves directors as bad as we have ever .
The communication to the paying fans is dire and as for Moshri constantly telling his mate Jim White what’s going on is embarrassing.
I really expected Moshri would be far more dynamic than he has been .
Is he in charge if so then ignore Bill and get things sorted
You can’t have two chiefs
How they got to were they are is a miracle given how they managing Everton .
I have been going to Goodison since 1959 and I am HEART BROKEN .
On a separate note I think we have a big part to play .
I presently sit in the main stand up Park End way and all I can hear are the away supporters .
I use to stand in the Gladys St and we had men who organised the singing .
Now it’s like a damp squid and really boring chants that last just a few seconds .
I was really impressed with the support given to the Huddersfield players by their fans and we need that starting on Wednesday and as hard as it is we need to shout and support even more not less if WHU score not boo as we given nothing but joy to the visitors if we do
We must ensure out great club retains its record in the top flight .

27 Nov 2017 16:28:56
I hear what you are saying Trebor but The board have no say at all in what team is picked nor do they choose what players to buy, that will be down to our DOF.

The fact we have no recognized striker does not mean we should allow our defensive play to be the worst in the premiership. We have let in more goals than any other team in the premiership, how will having a striker change that?

You mention that we should of had a manager lined up before sacking RK. So how does that work? do we conduct interviews in-between training sessions and hope he does not hear about it? As for Westham having DM already lined up is rubbish, are you suggesting that DM would of waited had Westham won the last game before sacking Slaven Billic?

Communication coming out of Goodison dire you say, If you have supported us since 1959 you will see it is a lot better than it used to be. Look at Man Utd when Fergie retired, nothing was coming out from them regards his successor only press talk, Same when DM was sacked by them, only press speculation until a successor was found. No football club will give you all the details of what they are doing day in day out regardless of who you are.

I get you do not like the board but to blame them for the fans being silent instead of blaming the players themselves is like being in self denial. At the moment there is very little to cheer about on the playing field as the players are playing like a bunch of school kids. The fans will cheer again when the players grow up and start playing to their potential or at least with some passion.

27 Nov 2017 12:08:39
Six years since the passing of Gary Speed. May he rest in peace. Heddwch i lwch, Gary.

27 Nov 2017 15:10:16
RIP Gary, one of my heroes growing up, can't believe it's been 6 years.

27 Nov 2017 10:34:09
I know people have rightly mentioned Lennon for his work rate but I feel Gylfi deserves a mention, he's being played out of position but he's given nothing but his best since he's been here, he's worked very hard every game, hasn't worked for him (or anyone else for that matter) but I can tell he loves the club, people can lambast him for not scoring enough or whatever but in terms of work rate I think he's been excellent.

27 Nov 2017 12:10:55
We need players who will run for the cause Swan and i agree he is doing that. Quite why Unsworth came out and said what he did about Sandro and then never even give him a minute on the pitch baffles me. Sandro playing would have meant Southampton would have had to sit deeper.
Schneiderlin again on the pitch. Why? Beningime and Vlasic have shown more in a couple of games than Schneiderlin has all season.

27 Nov 2017 12:22:23
good post Swan mate, totally agree, if only the the others would turn up and give their best.

27 Nov 2017 13:20:13
Problem with siggurdson is, He can run around for the cause all he likes but when he actually has the ball hasn't done anything with it apart from the 2 goals he's scored. waste of money imho.

27 Nov 2017 13:31:47
I agree with all 3 of you.

27 Nov 2017 13:34:41
I agree with the opening post, gylfi one of the few we have left who doesn't lose his head the moment we are under pressure, i would try to work Vlasic, Sigurdsson and Lennon as the 3 behind the striker, these guys are at least trying to make stuff happen. Rooney and Mirallas have been despicable this season.

27 Nov 2017 18:12:58
Siggy has the most assists for us so far EFCbluemarc and that's what we bought him for.

27 Nov 2017 09:40:51
If you were running your own big business, facing problems and needed to find a top manager, probably the best place to look is the opposition and appoint the best you can get. You don't say I won't appoint him because he was employed by so and so, you appoint him because of his skills, experience etc. Today running a football club is not only a sport but is very big business so sentiments have to be put to one side. A year or two ago I was against Benitez but now in favour.

In the boardroom, does Walsh have any influence in Manager recruitment? We have Kenwright and Moshiri. Is this a matter of too many chiefs pulling in different directions

Looking at Rooney yesterday he had a face 'like thunder' so would like to know what was going through his head.

27 Nov 2017 08:14:05
I don't care who we get In as manager we just need someone asap to bring some stability to our club. We are the next big club to dissapear from the top flight and would not bounce straight back. I don't want Pulis but if it's Oneil get it done today and let's try and stabilise for the rest of the season.

27 Nov 2017 07:11:04
It would be easy to jump on the bandwagon and start slating our great club
Yes it's frustrating we let Lukaku go without a replacement set up
Yes it's frustrating we sacked Koeman without a replacement set up
Yes performances are embarrassing
It's now the team need support not getting on there backs
I am confident the issues will get sorted soon so just hope Wednesday night we put all the issues to one side for 90 minutes and the crowd get behind the team and do our bit in getting the much needed win
COYB.

27 Nov 2017 08:15:52
Well said Baz, we need to stay together and keep supporting the team and manager no matter who it is.

27 Nov 2017 10:36:53
BAZ, it is really getting to the point (if not at it) were Wednesday may be to late. Moyes will have the Hammers defence layered and set up so that we have no chance and with our defence I fear a humiliation.

27 Nov 2017 04:22:17
Prepare yourselves.
Marco Silva won't be released by Watford.
If Sean Dyche was coming, he'd already have joined.
Martin O'Neill verbally agreed to stay with Ireland a while go.
Allardyce has already said he doesn't fancy it.
The big-name foreign coaches (Simeone, Ancelotti, Tuchel, Rangnick, etc. ) aren't interested.
Unsworth hasn't done enough to convince.
That just leaves one person from what's now supposed to be a three-man shortlist - wait for it - drum roll and trumpet fanfare - gasps from the Everton fanbase - sounds of jaws dropping all around Goodison - it's everyone's favourite defensive mastermind (apart from Allardyce) - Tony Pulis!
No doubt we'll dither as usual and he'll get snapped up by Swansea City or some other desperate club whose board panic about Premier League survival.

27 Nov 2017 06:10:24
Hand me the knife Bobby.