Everton Banter Archive July 28 2018

28 Jul 2018 22:21:21
Going to be slightly controversial here but just offering up a proposal. Not 100% sure myself whether it is a move I'd be completely happy with. Chelsea are muted to fancy Pickford. His value as an English player has to be £60m plus, some suggesting £70m as he has 4 yrs left.

How about Batshuayi plus £30-40m coming our way (buys us another decent keeper) plus Loftus-Cheek on loan with 1st option to buy or no deal. Really don't want to lose Pickford but we gain more by sacrificing him.

28 Jul 2018 22:40:33
GK position is not the problem and nor is batshuayi and loftus cheek the answer - we need quality defenders - other than Coleman and possibly Holgate the rest are too slow or too old.

Other than Pickford and possibly walcott / Lookman this team that played tonite will start the league in 2 weeks time - a disaster waiting to happen IMHO. the new lad played well again but with the obvious defence problems we are still lacking goals and the 2 players mentioned and no better than what we have - I am genuinley worried that if we do not pick up some points at the start of the season with a slightly easier start than last season we could be in for a long season.

The blame has too lie with Koeman and co as the amount of money spent last season was a complete waste ( pickford aside ) and we are now getting into a situation where we cannot keep spending money we don't have and honestly we do need to spend on defenders - a catch 22.

Our main asset at the moment is Pickford and possibly Lookman ( due to the purchase price ) once these are sold the squad as a whole has little sell on value - take klassen for example - lost 10mill there.

29 Jul 2018 02:02:16
Therein lies the problem, Pavillion. We won't bring players in unless we can get rid of a few, the squad is too big and cash is being wasted on wages of players surplus to requirements. It may seem worrying but this purge needs to happen. I know that some fans don't want to hear we are in transition, yet again, but that's exactly what it is. We just need to be patient, let the board right the wrongs of last summer and see where we are in the next few windows. Not ideal but it is what it is mate.

28 Jul 2018 20:59:06
Anybody still think i was mad to suggest we could very well be in danger of relegation with the squad we currently have?

Hopefully we will get in a left back and centre back at an absolute minimum and a new defensive mid to replace scheiderlin wouldn't go amiss. I would love docoure but that's highly unlikely.

Another striker is probably needed as well but I think richarlison could be suited to playing upfront when needed especially if we can get Lookman to stay.

28 Jul 2018 21:10:57
I’d like to think not SirLoin, but I thought that last season too! The lack of confidence and spark still appears to be missing, but we have chopped and changed the team about in the friendliest. Moshiri will not want another season like last and (please! ) will back the manager to the hilt over the next 12 days.

28 Jul 2018 22:51:09
Sadly Sir I cannot disagree with you, we could be relegated.

{Ed025's Note - not a chance..

29 Jul 2018 00:11:19
Dark Clouds, can we at least get a few games under our belt before we start talking about relegation? As things stand, we’re on the same points as City and Utd!
Seriously though, people just need to calm down a bit. Friendlies don’t look great but we all asked for a change of direction - now we MUST back the players and the manager.

{Ed025's Note - well said BLUE..

29 Jul 2018 01:53:10
Totally agree with you BLUE but have to say, in jest, we're also equal bottom as things stand.
Marco and Marcel have some work to do but we need to stop the negativity and let them get on with it
To be fair to Dark Cloud and Pavilion they've been moaning from even before the new team was in place - not sure why they call themselves fans - it's all doom and gloom, dark clouds actually


Quick prediction - before the start of the season we will make another 4 signings. Bedding them in might make the start a bit hairy but we will be top 7 by the end of the season and playing some good football. Usmanov will move to EFC and in 2-4 years we will be top 4, ready for the new stadium

there will be only blue clouds and a new pavilion.

29 Jul 2018 04:52:32
To be honest I like many fans was really optimistic that things where turning for us around 4-5 years ago. We had a fantastic team with a great young spine followed by a billionaire owner. Sadly they have all left now and it seems we have regressed to mediocrity.

I totally get that it's going to be a long process but I'm more annoyed at the fact that we messed up by not planning ahead with regards to Baines and Jagielka etc. But to be fair to the club they have shaken up the board and brought in a DOF.

To be fair though like a lot of fans I haven't seen us win anything, heck I haven't even whitnessed a victory at Anfield so you can understand why i'm being quite negative lol.

28 Jul 2018 20:06:58
I've been saying it since he's been linked and today's showing proves it, that is that we don't need Yerri Mina the last thing we need now is another slow defender any team with 2 or more fast players tears us a new one. Also baines is done got roasted by pace a few times today, I know it's only pre season but pace kills us like it did last season and that major issue does not not look like it's being taken seriously. Schneiderlin, Baines, Kane and Jags all far too slow and all defensive minded players, you can carry one slow defender but no more.

28 Jul 2018 21:12:45
Silva is renowned for favouring power and pace! I can’t imagine he’d be too impressed with Jags, Schneid, Williams, Keane etc.

28 Jul 2018 19:32:43
Didn't watch tonight's game, fortunately for me! From what I've read and what I've seen in the previous fixtures, Keane is not good enough. I think we need a complete revamp of the defence with two centre backs and Digne coming in. On the bright side it's still pre season, if we get battered by Valencia then it's time to worry for the Wolves game. Fingers crossed with new additions and time to gel, we will be ready.

28 Jul 2018 19:05:51
we are going to get slaughtered when the prem starts that third goal was shocking.

28 Jul 2018 19:14:39
We need 4 more players atleast. 2 cbs first team. A dm that is not Morgan. Plus hopefully Digne.

28 Jul 2018 19:18:47
Our defense is just too slow. As soon as you get fast players in the opposition they run past our defenders with ease. Hopefully we can bring in a few new defenders over the next few weeks.

28 Jul 2018 19:19:15
3-0 4-1 pre-season or not that is dreadful.

28 Jul 2018 18:25:50
I see Richarlison has scored against Rennes. Although we are still losing 2-1. I'm really not bothered about any of the results of the friendlies except the 22-0 one ;)

{Ed025's Note - it only matters in 2 weeks time howie..

28 Jul 2018 18:55:02
The two of you should be worried. We certainly need a CB perhaps two prior to the 11th. Is Silva going to be man enough to pick Digne ahead of Baines? Schneiderlin yet again just not producing, who do we put in that position in a 4 3 3 formation. I support my team through thick and thin and as ED002 says Mr Silva was the one someone advised them to appoint, so of course he has my support. Pre-season is for shake outs and experimentation with formation tactics etc! So far having watched all the games, it is very iffy.

28 Jul 2018 18:33:10
Exactly Ed025. Some people read too much into the result. It's more about regaining fitness and getting the performance levels back up to speed. Silva will probably know by now what his likely team will be against Wolves.

{Ed025's Note - i think so too mate, thats unless we can bring in a couple and have them up and running in time..

28 Jul 2018 18:12:26
Keane, jagielka and Schneiderlin aren't quick enough to play the way Silva wants to play. Every time we push forward they just can't get back and we get punished.

28 Jul 2018 16:58:25
I don't want Sandro playing games I want rid.

28 Jul 2018 18:17:46
Runs his socks off and his passing finds a man almost every time. He just needs a goal for his confidence.

28 Jul 2018 18:54:30
With Smit on this one. We really do need a CB maybe two but if we've learnt anything with the first two buys these two know where we need to improve.

28 Jul 2018 21:08:53
2 CBs holgate is the only one who will be able to play Silvas style.
Sandro has played about 15 prem games but I'm impressed with him preseason, not the finished article but getting near the player we bought.

29 Jul 2018 07:02:53
We have the most fickle fan base imo. He has done nothing.

29 Jul 2018 07:04:20
He is a striker who has offered no end product. Playing him out of losition because he has made a few good runs in pre season is bizarre.

28 Jul 2018 11:01:42
Hyperthetical question. If we sold Pickford to Chelsea and gol RLC and Batshuayi plus cash. Then went out and bought Butland.
Do any of you think that would be an improvement?

28 Jul 2018 11:08:21
Woburn that's kind of my feelings as well I'd certainly only entertain the idea if rlc and batshuyi were part of it I was even considering in my mind and even before I type it I know the stick it will get but hart is also available it's just balancing up which gives us the best chance of progression as a team yes pickford is better than any alternative we can get as gk but I can't help but feel with the state of the squad is he someone we can sacrifice to actually result in the overall first team being stronger it kind of reminds me when Rooney left for man Utd we had a poor season with him he was the star player he left but the team did better the season after.

28 Jul 2018 11:17:34
I'd have those 3 in a second for Pickford.

It wouldn't ever work out like that though.
I don't think Pickford will go but Chelsea are a massive pull and he has to feel some interest? A club who regularly win the league and contest the champions league? London too?
I hope they go elsewhere but they are more than capable of taking him from us.

28 Jul 2018 11:30:40
Chelsea would value both highly. But, on paper, Butland, RLC and Batshuayi would improve the squad instead of just having Pickford. Can only see it going through if the player makes a fuss and asks to leave.

28 Jul 2018 11:51:48
Or keep Pickford and buy the two Chelsea players. Why settle for England’s #2?

28 Jul 2018 12:44:57
Agree with toffeeace. Batshuayi hasn't shown anymore in the prem than Tosun has.
I'd have RLC but on loan or buy outright.
If Silva is going to play out from the back then Hart or Butland won't improve us at all.

28 Jul 2018 12:53:25
Would not sell him at all. trying to build a team. he was the one positive from last year.

28 Jul 2018 13:59:22
Not going to happen and don’t underestimate lucky we are to have a top goalkeeper any deal for pickford would need to be 100m to even get us to the table.
But Loftus-Cheek is a signing I want, he can become a world class midfielder, just what we need.

{Ed002's Note - £100M eh.}

28 Jul 2018 14:18:13
Thanks for the chuckle Truebluemetz

Sides hurt now 100 mil struth, I'll have some of what you're on please.

28 Jul 2018 14:13:10
The midfield and forward options would be slightly stronger but the Keeper would be much worse, and unless Butland has a release clause Stoke would have our pants down over the fee as they would know with the windows fast approaching we would be quite desperate.

28 Jul 2018 15:58:37
Pickford simply shouldn't be sold. It took us many years to find a dependable GK and he has the potential to get even better. Butland is good but not as good as what we've already got.

28 Jul 2018 18:57:48
No it wouldnt. Not in any sense. If we sold Pickford, we would be weaker. don't understand why people can't grasp that.