Everton Banter Archive May 28 2016

28 May 2016 23:13:38
On the stadium front I think we should build something ultra modern and different from the rest of the league and break the mould of new style boring stadiums.

Something like the Mercedes-Benz stadium which is the home for the Atlanta Falcons NFL team in the USA. Looks amazing. Something like that on the docks would be awesome.

29 May 2016 07:01:20
JTB

A waterfront stadium would be the best thing that could happen, it would no doubt be as iconic as the Royal Liver Building' bringing a new shining prominence and identity to Everton football club recognisable worldwide .

28 May 2016 23:02:42
Now Mr. Moshiri become a legend, he's not won it but get him!

28 May 2016 21:04:40
Why is everyone saying great things about moshiri he has done nothing yet apart from sack Roberto and say he going to spend 100m on the team am sure that's what we get from new sky deal we all need to wait and see and not get carried away thinking we are the new man city because the big 4 can still blow is away if they wanted to yes things are looking bright for us but until work starts on a new stadium and we have a top manager then nothing has changed.

{Ed025's Note - done nothing bar sack roberto and promised to spend £100m??? what do you want konehead..jam on it?..

28 May 2016 22:45:44
Konehead I agree its early days to make a judgment on him at this stage. Look at Villa when they were first took over and look at them now.

However you say yourself our future is brighter. £100m and a new stadium. New manager that I have no doubt will be better than our previous one. I couldn't really ask for much more.

What's the alternative? Still struggle to invest in the team, still play in our stadium with no development?

All the indications so far are Moshiri is an absolute blessing. I for one am delighted this has gone through. It looks like we have a very capable team to take us forward and improve our football club in the future.

28 May 2016 23:25:35
sundays saying that emery is intrested in the everton job and they also say he has a 3 million release clause which everton have to meet [well that's obvious] but it seems things might be stepping up a pace.

29 May 2016 02:22:06
Don't forget the fact that behind the scenes he has clearly started planning for a new stadium, and apperently he is bringing in someone new to the club that helped with Arsenal's new stadium. Yes it is early, but let's be optimistic for a change. Bored of red of my red friends calling me a "bitter blue", I'm not bitter, I am proud to be an Evertonian.

28 May 2016 18:07:46
People people people, stop moaning about not having a manager already signed up. No news is good news. With Moshiri on board, the world is our oyster, why rush with such an important decision. Or is it the fact that people want anyone as a manager so they can see money big money being spent. All I can say is I hope with all your rushing you're not like that with a woman.

{Ed025's Note - well i am mowfee..first one to finish is the winner.. :)

28 May 2016 18:17:54
yes but without a manager we won't be buying players and we will end up with the fat kid no one wants as last pick.

28 May 2016 18:45:33
Dazweeb, don't we need a new keeper anyway? ;)

28 May 2016 18:17:40
That's what I tell her to. It's starting to sink in.

28 May 2016 18:59:56
hahahah made me spit my beer out then lol.

28 May 2016 21:02:53
dazweeb do not be so silly, this is a professional outfit and now with a very astute and competent business man at the helm. Seriously some of you need to chill.

28 May 2016 16:40:47
The comments by Phil Neville about John Stones - and comments by David Moyes in the past about players moving on from Everton to further their careers - shows how they clearly regard Everton as a second-rate club despite earning a very good living when employees of the club.

28 May 2016 17:51:18
As much as I admire your loyalty to the Blues (which rivals mine) I have to say I understand what Moyes and Neville mean. Would you not agree that Everton have stagnated since Joe Royle quit as manager. We had players like Andrei Knochelski willing to Leave Manchester United to join us. Big Joe quit and then we were painfully under funded for many years and went into decline. Clubs like Arsenal, Manchester United Chelsea and City had loads of investment in grounds, staff and players. We were left behind. Our chances of winning a trophy were painfully slim and players rarely got picked for their national teams. As much as I love my Everton (and always have) I can see that being a professional footballer these days is a job. Any player is likely to benefit from all of my above points by playing for one of the so called "big" clubs. We may be a sleeping giant. but the same could be said about Newcastle, Spurs and even Liverpool now. Their points may have been disrespectful. but probably true.

28 May 2016 18:21:17
the only way to reverse those ideas about our club is by not letting our star performers leave and making them honour their contracts and add quality around them we cannot be seen as a feeder club anymore.

28 May 2016 20:20:23
I'm with you 100% Side. God I'm glad they are both nowhere near our club anymore.

Let's get people in who believe in our club and what it can achieve.

28 May 2016 21:18:32
Degsypulford: I'm convinced that the Europen ban in the 1980s was a massive blow to our club. Not only did we lose our manager and many players, but it also meant that we didn't have the international exposure to generate commercial income and couldn't afford to really upgrade Goodison Park (or move to a new arena) . PIle the Agent Johnson debacle on top of that and we became the epitome of mediocrity for years. Although we've had time to get over those setbacks, we missed out early on in the PL and CL eras and fell way behind. So, I tend to gree with your point about the comments having some truth, but that doesn't excuse the disrespect or diminish the anger of our fans.

28 May 2016 22:48:03
Players furthering their careers elsewhere? Rooney did, can anyone tell me who else did? Pienaar, Lescott and Felliani certainly didn't.

29 May 2016 06:13:49
In fairness, Lescott has 2 premier league winners medals, one fa cup winners medal and a league cup winners medal. He's also played in the champs league and earned more money than he would have with us. I'd say that's furthering his career. Fellaini has an fa cup medal, champs league experience and more money. He'd probably say it was a good move to go there. Arteta has 2 fa cup medals, champs league and more money. Realistically, moving to a bigger club is better for a lot of players. If they actually play. Rodwell, for example.

29 May 2016 08:26:56
Graveson did ok at Real Madrid. Materazzi and Dacourt also did ok. but I have to agree that some players do not get what they are after elsewhere. And the fact remains that some players and managers do see us as a smaller club these days. as much as it hurts us fans. and Cowpat, I agree completely that the Euro ban was the catalyst that started our decline. I am as bitter as anyone as to the reason. but the fact remains that we are still a sleeping giant. In reality 3 things are possible. 1. our rich new owner/ investor brings backsome of the good old days and we continue with steady growth to become one of the top English teams again. 2. We have loads of investment, but the rot has already set in so a situation similar to Newcastle's develops and we go up and down more than a yoyo. 3. It goes completely tits up and the destabilisation causes rapid decline and we drop 2 or 3 divisions and a situation like Sheffield Weds develops. Remember that they were once a top club not that long ago with cup final replays etc being played at their ground. A couple of seasons ago thet were getting gates of 3000 in league 1!

29 May 2016 08:44:25
Lescott was a bit part player when he got those medals. Now he has been relegated with his new club. He wasn't a success at City. They wouldn't of sold him otherwise. He was lucky he happened to be with the club that spent big.

Same with Felliani, he hasn't exactly been Utd's star player and hasn't been a success. I'm sure Mourinho will get the best out of him next season though.

The money, is that furthering their careers? Financially yea but these players want to make a name for themselves at their new club. Despite Lescott and Felliani winning medals with their club they will hardly be seen as legends at these clubs they left for.

Arteta I would consider successful as most Arsenal fans would be happy with his contribution. Can't really say the same for Utd and City fans with the others. Especially now Villa with Lescotts current club. Him posting a picture of a car on social media showed how much he cared at Villa and where will he be next season?

Rooney and Arteta yea they furthered their careers. Rodwell is another example of far away hills. Can't think of anymore at the top of my head. 2 players that went on to further their careers out of how many tells me that maybe if these players stayed at the club and the squad strengthened we would eventually be challenging at the top.

28 May 2016 14:41:10
"Ex Blues skipper Phil Neville says he ear-marked Stones as Manchester United player from early days"
I don't want to see Phil Neville or David Moyes anywhere near our club.

28 May 2016 15:41:20
Me too Mike.

28 May 2016 13:09:20
All these rumours on Lukaku and the latest headline 'Everton Striker suggests he is available for transfer'. Not a rumour Lukaku, you are not available for transfer, you are under contract unless the Club says otherwise. Fed up of these mega rich players and their agents. Something needs to be done.

28 May 2016 14:38:22
In fairness I seem to remember one of the Eds (possibly Ed02) warning us all this would happen when we were all waxing lyrical about signing him. The remarks at the time were, I think, based on Lukaku's previous antics as his other clubs.

28 May 2016 17:17:58
Just adds credence to blue mikes post earlier perhaps many managers and players use Everton as a stepping stone? We all believe we are a big club, possibly a sleeping giant but recent history does not show we are, however with Mr Moshiri things may be about to change?

28 May 2016 11:07:42
Lukaku - according to the media stories - is willing to listen to what Mr Moshiri has to say. Really? What a nerve! Why would Mr Moshiri speak directly with any player? He may be the largest shareholder - the de facto owner - but he's not on the board and he would surely delegate all day-to-day matters to other people at the club.
As the largest shareholder (and, we expect, soon to have a majority shareholding) he will clearly influence which existing senior staff are retained and which new senior staff he'd like appointed, but he's not a football expert and he'd surely want these experts to deal with operational matters.
I reckon that Mr Moshiri is interested in getting the right senior people in place and setting a strategic plan for the club (on and off the field) and getting those right people to successfully carry out the plan.
The idea that the owner would kowtow to any player seems preposterous to me. It's up to the club staff - manager (and DoF? ) when appointed - to handle player negotiations, etc., with the backing of the club's recruitment team, legal (contracts, etc. ) staff, financial experts, etc.
No doubt one of the Eds can correct me on this subject (usually Ed002 knows what's what) .

28 May 2016 13:08:13
We will see what sort of message Moshiri wants to send to the players through his manager Sid. That's why I like de Boer who according to his brother would "let him rot in the reserves". If a team wants to pay a ridiculous amount like 65M pounds then let him go otherwise let him spend some time in the U21's with Unsworth, sends a message to the other players especially the underachievers. We need a strong owner and a strong manager after luvvy Bill and everyone is wonderful brown shoes.

28 May 2016 13:16:22
Spot on Sid. He's not worthy.

28 May 2016 10:23:07
Pellegrini? "He's too old", "he's no personality" etc. These are all excuses by people who just don't want him and want to be excited with our manager.

I'll turn these negatives above into positives. I think he's 62, too old? I don't think so, with age brings experience and he certainly has that. At City 3 years and won 2 league cups and a the premiership along with getting them to knock out stages in CL. Beaten each time by Barcelona and RM.

He had plenty of money I hear some say. Yea he had but how much of that money was spent on players he truly wanted? Not exactly sure but I bet there is plenty of influence at City from the people 'upstairs'. He done well at clubs he was with before City which were similar enough to Everton. His defense at City wasn't great but as I said did he want to buy those defensive players? I doubt it.

He has no personality. I disagree, he doesn't talk crap! He is classy and always conducts himself well. A calming quiet demeanor which would only have a positive influence on our players. Especially the younger ones. His personality suits Everton down to the ground imo. Doesn't bring unwanted attention onto himself like some big ego'd managers.

I'm not saying he's the saviour or that he'd be my favourite. Just saying we could do a lot worse and he would be decent imho.

28 May 2016 11:17:09
Thought Stones was motm to be honest NBTB. But who did they give it to? Rashford, ok the lad scored on his England debut but apart from that he done nothing else, wheras Stones put in a solid assured performance over the 90 mins.

28 May 2016 11:44:32
do what i do. don't watch them, even with no footy on i wudin watch them. they over hyped, boring, play crap football and you don't even have to be half good now to get a cap. if we sighned even half of the england team we would be relagated. although i do suffer from insonia so i might watch the next game that will cure it.

28 May 2016 11:47:43
great post NB, I've also heard that he had no say whatsoever in any of the signings, he was there to manage the team on the pitch only.

28 May 2016 13:50:49
Do not care if our new manager is the most boring man in the prem and hates the press as long as he is succesfull.
We had a clown in Martinez and his charm conned a lot of suporters.
I can remember Harry Catterick when I was young, very boring avoided interviews won 2 league titles and an FA cup and of course created the holy trinity.

28 May 2016 13:56:29
Agree NBTB and I would add we could use his experience and put Unsworth under him to learn for a couple of years. Then perhaps put Pellegrini upstairs to guide from a distance for a few years if needed. If we do go for a manager with age then it must be to help blood a younger man with Everton in his blood, or we keep using new ones every 3 years, which does seem to be the more modern approach at present.

28 May 2016 08:52:33
Neville's comments on stones shows he was never a real evertonian. don't want him back on staff. agree with text on Mancini. would not be underwhelmed to see him appointed.

28 May 2016 09:16:51
Oscar

Thats how I felt when I read those 'comments' with the likes of him at our club, it would be back to 'Knives at Gunfights' for sure!

28 May 2016 09:45:52
Yep. Cheeky sod saying that when he was at Everton he saw stones as a United player.

At least after that kind of comment there should be no worries of him darkening our door again.

28 May 2016 10:18:57
Ace

I think he said all this on 'Full time Devils' probably in the belief that the rest of the world wouldn't get to see?

Mug!

28 May 2016 13:15:15
Funny that. because when Neville was at Everton i saw him as a Crewe Alex player.

28 May 2016 15:05:11
I always saw him more as an old man Steptoe stunt double.

28 May 2016 04:25:05
it does not matter a bit who you or i would like to see as manager its who they pick and that's that end of.

27 May 2016 23:28:44
get this. liverpool are looking into making a "quote" special players entrance" to stop fans waiting outside for autographs. WOW how the hell has it come to this. i can only think that some players have complained that it is beneath them to mix with people less well off than them.

its not enough that these players walk past waiting fans pretending to listen to music on their headphones with out fans ere would be no football it would not exsist. they have become so far detached from the fans that if they do this it could be the final straw for fans because as sure as eggs are eggs other clubs will follow siut. so think hard clubs b4 you destroy the fans game. players, managers and owners come and go but the fans will always be here. or will they!

28 May 2016 06:31:19
Other clubs won't follow suit this is just standard behavior from a club like them. Obviously the Nivea boys are to busy to acknowledge the fans outside which may I add tends to be kids. I remember the days of standing outside Bellfield waiting for autographs and photos with the players, it's a part of growing up as a fan to see your heroes face to face. This just proves yet again that we are a family club the people's club and our neighbours are just a brand. Bet if the fans paid £15 a pop to stand in the players entrance they wouldn't mind! Next thingeneration you know the tourists will be charged for photos with the Shankly statue.

28 May 2016 17:15:50
everton players (big dunc, gazza, ginola) were leaving thru a diffrent exit 15 years ago when i was a steward.