Everton Banter Archive November 28 2016

28 Nov 2016 22:23:19
How is this for being miserable Guernsey - The thought that we may never see everton win the league ever again in our life time because we are grumpy old men.

28 Nov 2016 23:46:28
Really, are you an Everton supporter?

29 Nov 2016 08:19:35
Why is it when someone who passionately cares about Everton Football Club. comes on here and makes a comment that something may be wrong (eg me when 3 years ago I said Martinez was leading us to a path of ruin by not replacing Osman, Pienaar and trying to introduce a style of football that would bore the pants off a cricket supporter) . and I mean Skylark. people start questionning if he is a supporter?

Are we supposed to bury our heads in the sand and not voice an opinion? In the same way that others who do feel positive that things are going well? Does that makeus any less of a supporter? I find it offensive when people question my loyalty. and I can understand why Skylark is asking the question. In my view it is far too early to judge Koeman. but surely Skylark is no less of a supporter for having doubts.

just like the ones I voiced 3 years ago but got the same sort of abuse at the time. I was told that Osman and Pienaar were poor. I was told we were on the way up. I was told McCarthy was world class. I was told Kone was 100 times better than Anichebe. I was told Moyes played terrible football.

I was told so many things and basically got abused for suggesting things may not be as rosy as lots of other people were suggesting. I could accept this. but I could not accept people querying my loyalty to Everton Football Club. And I think it is totally unfair for people to query others loyalty just because they don't see things as rosy as others. NBTB please consider yourself told off by me!

29 Nov 2016 08:21:43
Forgot to say. we are all Evertonians and need to support each other. as well as the club. and that's one thing I always say. we are still a club. In the traditional sense.

29 Nov 2016 10:06:43
Very well said Degsy, i have had similar stick on several occasions. I have been a Blue since 52 and this issue of the players are not good enough is rubbish, they proved against Spurs for a large proportion of the game they can compete but they have for some reason thrown their dummies out the pram. Why, is the golden question!

29 Nov 2016 11:33:50
Skylark,

Yes we may be grumpy old men, but we are grumpy old men with a strong belief that one day we will be a top side again. We have a good, strong and loyal fanbase who all believe somewhere in their hearts we will become good again.

Good things are happening off the playing field and it is only a matter of time before good things return to the playing field for us.

29 Nov 2016 11:57:05
Exactly Grumpytoffee. To suggest we'll never win anything again sounds suspicious in my mind.

Degsy, consider myself told off! You must be joking. As always you took me up the wrong way and your points do not make any sense in this context.

First why I asked the true supportership of Skylark. His posts very rarely if ever are in any way positive. Sometimes its like he's a red coming on here having a sneer. I may be totally wrong but I have my doubts. I'm not the only one on here who has doubts about his aligence.

A while back I read one of his posts and while reading it was he actually an Everton supporter. To my amazement the Ed033 who was on duty at the time asked was he a true supporter! I couldn't believe it.

This was about a month or 2 ago. It happened again the other day. This along with a lot of his posts gets put to other pages posts raises my doubts.

So Degsy absolutely nothing got to do with Koeman, being positive or negative. You assumed that and then went on a rant about something totally different.

All those things you mentioned you were told Degsy was not by me. Its in your head or maybe someone else said it to you. I certainly didn't.

Now for a little joke, you considered told off Degsy!

29 Nov 2016 12:53:03
In relation to above post, couldn't believe Ed033 asked was he an Everton supporter because that was exactly what I was thinking.

29 Nov 2016 14:02:22
Well that told me then! I will consider myself told off NBTB. However, your post exact words were "are you really an Everton supporter? " I can guarantee that Skylark is an Everton supporter. He posts because he cares. He posts because he is frustrated. I did get all the abuse that I mentioned. how would you feel if I started seriously questioning your support of Everton? . ARE YOU REALLY AN EVERTONIAN? OR PERHAPS A CLOSET RED? There how does that feel? Seriously mate, that is one offensive question to me. When I was about 11 I actually tried to support Liverpool because Everton were being wooped all the time. it lasted about 7 minutes and then I came to my senses! Or perhaps that was the start of my insanity? The pills do help now and therapy costs a fortune. alcohol subdues the effect, but I am still an Evertonian. Same as Skylark.

29 Nov 2016 15:08:57
Thanks for the insight Degsy it explains an awful lot and why your posts don't make much sense a lot of the time.

Again you misread my post. I have to question your intentions myself. Do you intentially misread my posts or do you do it because you think it wineds me up?

You obviously know Skylark outside this blog? You must when you 100% know he is a blue. Otherwise you are speculating. He hasn't answered mine or Ed033 questions.

Again you misread my post. I did not say for sure he is not a blue. I asked was he really an Everton supporter and said I had my suspicions. Not exactly the same thing, is it Degsy. Try reading what's in front of you rather than taking your own conjured up meaning of it.

It doesn't bother me you asking if I'm an Evertonian. Why? Because I know I am and I don't have to prove it to anyone. Never supported anyone else my whole life. Since I was old enough to know what a ball was.

I don't see you attacking Ed033 when he asks the question Degsy? What you saying its ok for him to ask and not me? Pretty obvious I'm not the only one with suspicions of Skylark.

You may well of gotten abuse Degsy but not from me. The Ed's do a great job on here and any abuse is always dealt with accordingly. So if you still have a problem with that I suggest you bring it up with them.

29 Nov 2016 18:22:39
Hey NBTB calm down a bit. I was typing all my stuff with a smile on my face. thinking you were too? Yes I did get abuse and I never said from you. The difference between Ed033 asking and you is that I guess Ed033 is not an Evertonian and you are. If I am wrong on that assumption, then I do apologise. Mate I think I have wound you up but I promise it was unintentional. I apologise for that too. What I would say is that there seems to be 2 types of Evertonian. those who are eternal optomists thinking everything will get better and be hunky dory. Then there are others who saw progress being made under Moyes and were sorry to see him go and now feel we have gone backwards aand worry about the future. This is not meant as a dig or a wind up. it is just my observation. I don't understand your bit about being an Evertonian. I actually copied and pasted what you had typed? But NBTB I really have no problem with you or your views. and the telling off bit was a bit of a laugh which you responded to in a funny way by telling me off. I just hope you are not as wound up as your post reads? All the best Blue. Derek.

{Ed025's Note - lets play nice gents and not get personal, we are in this together and i understand fans frustrations but getting at one anothers throat is not the answer, its ok to have a go at players and managers so long as its constructive but lets not just slag them off for the sake of it, thats all i will say guys..

29 Nov 2016 19:39:28
Agreed Ed025. I have apologised above and had no idea that I was winding NBTB up. I will repeat my apology to him. Sorry mate. Seriously though if Skylark is not an Evertonian I will be flabbergasted. but I do understand his frustrations. And Ed you must remember the abuse I was getting when RM waas appointed and I suggested that Moyes was a good manager but poor at pr. I also got slagged off for my support of Osman and a few other things (mainly my criticism of Kone, Alcaraz and Joel as signings) . but I had no idea I was offending NBTB. and have no desire to do so. Yes we are all Evertonians together. which is why I put the other post about being chosen. and its a flippin burden at times!

{Ed025's Note - at the moment it is degsy, lets draw a line under any squabbling mate and move on, we all have one common goal and that is for everton to succeed which i hope unites us all..

29 Nov 2016 19:41:07
Its ok Degsy. I can be guilty at times for leaving my sense of humour behind and taking things too seriously.

Just one correction, you couldn't of copied and paste mine Degsy because it word for word was 'Really, are you an Evertonian?

Note the really coming first to indicate that I assumed he was or is. Just some of his posts seem a little overly critical, even for this site. When I seen Ed033 asking it was like he was reading my mind.

Anyway no harm done. For the record Degsy I adored Moyes and can't believe you haven't picked up on that. Was against Martinez even before his first game. On them 2 main points I couldn't agree with you more. Its near enough everything in between I don't agree with you. I strongly believe in general the club is going in the right direction.

That's ok it leaves for good banter. Your entitled to your view like am mine and like every person on here. I didn't mean to disrespect Skylark in any way. Or anyone on here for that matter.

Ed025 makes a good point. We should stick together. Support the team as much as we can. Of course it will be frustrating and hard sometimes but we should still stick together.

{Ed025's Note - your right mate..

29 Nov 2016 20:15:26
Degsy. I don't remember the abuse part but the fact you continually went on and on about the same subject frustrated a lot of people me included. Especially as what you said and still say was factually incorrect.

For me the negative statements on here without realising the situation we are in and the lack of understanding of what the club is trying to do frusttates me more than the Osman repeats of Degsy though.

We are changing every part of the club and the manager needs time to get the players and phylosophy in place.

Just calm down and support the team.

29 Nov 2016 19:32:05
NBTB, I never said we would not win anything again I said we would not win the league again in my life time and me being nearly 55 it's not that far from the truth may be a cup or two in us somewhere before I push up some daisies.

29 Nov 2016 20:38:54
Yes, my mistake Skylark. Still, have some faith. Live in hope. 55, your still a good bit away from retirement never mind pushing up the Daisy's. Who knows, you may still be giving out about Everton at 90! That's 35 years. Surely we'll get lucky in just one of them years.

29 Nov 2016 21:10:53
Friends, Romans, NBTB 😂😂 let's all get behind the blues, think we will need it this weekend.

29 Nov 2016 22:28:45
I like a good love in! All Blues together lol! Ed025 noneed to worry, We all have the same aspirations and frustrations. I also know I go on a bit about certain subjects. I am so passionate about Everton I only want the best. something to do with nil satis I guess! Jee there is going to be one helluva party if we get back to where we belong!

29 Nov 2016 23:25:07
There's no ifs Degsy just when.

Believe it or not I love your passion about the club. In fact everyones passion on here. Skylark, NBTB, you, me, all of us. We're the real fans. We waste hours on here. You all like me probably spend most days talking non stop Everton. All with different opinions but have the most in common in that we want the blues to be successful.

For me unlike failures of the past, I can see something just over the horizon. We need a COUPLE of good windows to inspire the fans AND the players. It would act like antibiotics against this infection of spite that there is amongst the fans.
From there I hope we can start to find some harmony and start to look forward.

I'm not blind or deluded about our current situation but I know it takes time and it takes even longer when you have a multitude of areas going through a similar process.

Right now it's all trial and error. When there is no solution at hand we will have to go and find the answer. The difference now is we have the funds and impetus to do it.

28 Nov 2016 19:37:39
I've said if from the beginning something just doesn't seem right with RK, it just doesn't add up, its not felt right from the beginning I can't put my finger on it but it all seems very strange and I think it's spilling over to the players there is just something about him? Hope I'm proven wrong.

{Ed033's Note - Go on say it - i'm pretending to be an Everton supporter.

28 Nov 2016 19:46:53
Only for 52 years Ed.

{Ed033's Note - that's a long time.

28 Nov 2016 20:15:36
Hi Skylark 60 years for me mate, think we need something to cheer us up by now eh cheers GuernseyBlue.

{Ed025's Note - 58 1/2 for me GB...if i had committed mass murder i would have been on parole now mate.. :)

28 Nov 2016 20:15:26
Ha ha that's why I get these funny feelings.

28 Nov 2016 20:29:05
It's a wonder where not all alcoholics by now Guernsey and I wonder how much hair we would all have if we wasn't born a blue.

28 Nov 2016 20:43:37
Yeh right mate some of these posters haven't seen anything yet, cheers mate, GuernseyBlue, ps maybe we should start an old gits club.

28 Nov 2016 21:34:14
I am a whippersnapper at 54, seen the good and bad times, never taken drugs, found it cheaper to support Everton, one minute on a high, the next a low, we should adapt Ronan Keatings Life is a roller coaster for our song. God knows we have enough of them.

28 Nov 2016 22:43:50
I've actively followed Everton for 53 of my 62 years, so at least I've had the highs of 1970, the mid-1980s, and the 1995 FA Cup win along the way. Not a continious stream of successes, but more than the majority of clubs.

{Ed025's Note - im the same sid and i think that having had a taste of that success it makes you crave for it even more, thats why we as supporters get so frustrated when things are not going so well mate..

28 Nov 2016 17:57:38
Osman and Peinnar provided some guile in the everton team. since their demise, no one looks to have any cunning.
We desperately need a
Peter Reid type figure to galvanise the play! there is so little imagination in the current squad. can't just wave a cheque book and put it right. Sissoko was a great miss for us and bolasie has to show much more.

Hope
Walsh can see a little general out there, someone with a football brain and more passion than we are seeing at present.
Oscar.

28 Nov 2016 18:11:57
Sissoko has done nothing for Spurs and that's come from his manager. we need more than a Peter Reid the way we've been playing so far.

{Ed025's Note - beryl reid would be an improvement at the moment AB.. :)

28 Nov 2016 16:56:00
What is it with the players at Everton and their inability (or more likely unwillingness! ) to adapt to different ways of playing?
Other clubs' players are able - by and large - to adapt to (and even thrive in) different formations and to playing in different positions.
Our lot just down tools and flounder in disarray and need to be bollocked before even doing the very basic of working hard let alone demonstrating their ability.
I'm all for not putting square pegs in round holes, but players have to show some flexibility and adaptability, as match situations will vary during the course of a season and during individual fixtures.
We clearly have an attitude problem and lack self-belief and don't have a winning mentality among too many players in this squad.
I just don't see the players getting angry - it's just a shrug of the shoulders and they cluelessly carry on seeming to accept that there's nothing they can do to correct the situation.
Whatever they're being coached, or told, or shown, it's clearly not sinking in and deep down they just don't seem to believe in it.
Is it that many of them know they have no future at the club beyond the next couple of transfer windows and they're just coasting until they move?

{Ed025's Note - i could not agree more sid, time for a clear out imo and thats not a knee jerk reaction to the debacle on saturday as i have said it for a long while now, money is to blame for a lot of it and i see players who think they have made it and are set for life with their comfortable mansions and inflated pension plans, there is a definite lack of ambition and guts in this team mate and that needs addressing as a matter of urgency..

28 Nov 2016 17:33:52
A couple of decent wins and things might ease up, but that'd only mask the fact that this group of players are proven non-winners lacking in self-belief.
Even in the dark days of late 1983, there was something about the character of our players (Reid, Gray, Southall, similar leaders, etc. ) and they turned it around and had several glorious successful seasons under Howard Kendall.
I'm hopeful that Ronald Koeman can turn things around, but I'm struggling to see more than a handful (if that many! ) of winning characters and leaders in the current squad.

{Ed025's Note - i have also seen some bad everton teams sid, the gordon lee years and mike walker tenure spring to mind not to mention billy bingham, but them teams at least had a bit of passion mate...i dont see it with this group..

28 Nov 2016 18:48:11
Ed025: under Billy Bingham and Gordon Lee we did challenge for the league title for a season or two, but we eventually didn't have it in us to be winners. So near, yet so far.
The club were hoodwinked into appointing Walker - and Martinez - because their previous teams came to Goodson and spanked us. We just didn't see the bigger picture with those two and paid the price - almost the ultimate price of relegation.
Ultimately, it's down to the players and the cliche holds true: hard work will beat talent if talent doesn't work hard.

{Ed025's Note - very true sid..

28 Nov 2016 16:37:07
Hi Ed what's your take on our current first team a lot of posters on here are are starting to slate R K, I think the current them is just not good enough we have a brilliant new owner at last after years of waiting, and a very able manager most of this team was inherited from R M, and I feel have to give the manager time to fix this, he will have a decent budget in January to spend and I am sure he is going to stop this slide and get a great team in place, fingers X, GuernseyBlue.

{Ed025's Note - i think the owner and manager are the right people as well GB, ronnie has inherited a squad that is aging and quite frankly not good enough to achieve what he and the supporters are expecting, we need a good clear out for me and that includes some of our so called stars, i would not be unhappy if the likes of mirallas, lennon, baines, jags, coleman, mccarthy and del boy were to go along with some of the usual suspects who we know need to be unloaded, some may say im being harsh but for me these guys are strolling through games and its just not good enough mate, NSNO means something to me and i expect my team to have that same ethos..

28 Nov 2016 17:02:07
Koeman will be given 2 years or at least i hope he will. I believe he is the right man for the job but does need time and serious backing in the transfer windows. The biggest problem may be shipping out the players that just are not good enough.

{Ed025's Note - that would be most of them then anom..

28 Nov 2016 18:16:01
Hi Ed thanks for that, I too agree a lot of them need to be shipped sooner than later out, I am sure R K knows by now cheers GuernseyBlue.

{Ed025's Note - i think hes a tad surprised at how big the job is i expect GB..

28 Nov 2016 19:13:48
Hi Ed thanks, at least he has the window to help him in January thank goodness, GuernseyBlue.

{Ed025's Note - no problem GB, just dont expect miracles in that window mate..

28 Nov 2016 19:54:02
Too right I'm expecting the English Channel to part, GuernseyBlue ps then I can walk over to see the next match.

28 Nov 2016 23:54:07
Coleman? Really Ed? How many better right backs is there?

He may not be having his best season and also may be capable of more. But imho he tries more than most in games.

{Ed025's Note - its his commitment that im questioning NBTB not his ability, i know and have seen that he can do the job but for a long while now he has failed to deliver for me mate, the coleman of 2 years ago was a rampaging fullback who was an attacking threat as well as an able defender, since then he for me has gone downhill faster than a fat kid on a slide, his first move is always backwards when getting the ball and his defensive positioning is frankly awful, is it a coincidence that his demise coincided with a major move to united being thwarted?, he seems to me to lack desire and passion for the club but that is purely my personal view of a player who i was lauding as one of the best full backs in europe a couple of seasons ago, im sure some will think im wrong and thats ok as we will all have differing views on certain players but it comes from wanting the guy to do a lot better..

29 Nov 2016 09:23:57
I agree with ed on Coleman, 2 years ago he was playing like Cafu. Now he looks lethargic and uninterested at times. Maybe he's been told to defend more and if so then its not his fault. Being Irish I also watch all ROI games and Coleman can frustrate for his Country as well.

He does seem more committed for Ireland than he does for us. Maybe he should be given the captaincy and see does he improve. His defensive ability has always been average at best but his pace can get him out of trouble. The same could be said about Baines, he hasn't had two good games in a row for about 2 seasons.

28 Nov 2016 15:38:30
Sick of sein koeman get the blame for this terrible team he has been at the club less than half a season it was clear last season r team was poor an was not gona be a quick fix the players are the ones you need to be pointin the finger at bo heart no passion what so ever for the club i miss players like naismith at least he put passion an the ball in the net. Ano we should be expectinf better standerds an i agreee be the lot on the pitch at the moment don't give 2 sh#%^+ about the club an its bad t watch i trust the manger will be looking at players no for the window we have to be patient were we r in the league now is a god send it could be worse.

28 Nov 2016 10:42:15
Hi Ed in the Echo it is suggesting that ruthless surgery is required in the January window I have to agree our players simply are not good enough it's game after game they under achieve (well most of them) and I think a big statement is going to be made in the next window if not this free fall is going to continue, heaven forbid it not allowed to to carry on by the powers that be, GuernseyBlue.

28 Nov 2016 15:26:58
Youth need a chance now. Saints put Sims in and he played very well. Davies has never disappointed when playing for us. Holgate has made 1 mistake that I can remember and needs game time. Dowell should be given game time inplace of Ross, either as starter or a sub. Even Walsh and Calvert-Lewin need a chance to shine.

28 Nov 2016 08:21:39
What has become noticeable is that every game we start so slowly and almost lethargic. It is laborious slow passing, and teams come at us and put us under pressure straight away. This is not new, we saw this all to often last season. We then get to half time when RK can rip into them and start to look better second half.
We will not win games and compete playing only 45 minutes each week! end of!
The players must take a lot of the blame here, yesterday they looked clueless created nothing, and as in the Chelsea game were shot shy.
To many poor performances, yes we need a clear out and we really need some passion and leadership on the park, time for a new captain as well!

28 Nov 2016 08:58:35
I believe Koeman when just before the game he said we would be playing a pressing game and this was important. Yet the players did exactly the opposite and within 45 seconds we are one nil down. Koeman must be as frustrated as the rest of us and he needs to sort it out.