Everton Banter Archive August 29 2016

29 Aug 2016 22:02:23
GK Zoel?

May be too late this window though.

29 Aug 2016 21:30:55
Hart off to torino.

29 Aug 2016 20:08:49
Anyone fancy a new stadium on Bramley Moore Dock 😜😜😜😜.

29 Aug 2016 21:38:20
Are you like me murf reading Joe Andersons crypric message?

29 Aug 2016 21:38:24
THIS WILL BE A GAME CHANGER AND REDS HAVE NEW ROOF.

30 Aug 2016 09:45:39
From what I've heard its a goer the land will be available at a decent price from peel holdings as the regeneration that was going to happen there has fallen through.
There won't be any retail involved with stadium as it would have an effect on Liverpool 1.
Id love to stay at Goodison but its not viable and we'd fall further behind the competition.
Onward Evertonians!

29 Aug 2016 15:34:16
When stones went to city, the word was they offered 40m + bony, which everton rejected, sold for 47.5 mill plus add ons, so why would we now go back in with an offer of 15-20 mill, does not seem to add up!

29 Aug 2016 16:03:33
What you say makes sense JCW100. The thing is the 'word' is rarely actually true.

29 Aug 2016 19:37:40
FFP I'd imagine. Plenty of profit to bump up our limit for wages.

29 Aug 2016 12:41:17
Pellegrini just taken over Chinese club hebei China fortune replacing Li tie, who got the club promoted to Chinese super league.

Was this the li tie that used to play for us? Strange how people pop up years after in strange places.

29 Aug 2016 14:14:20
Yep I believe it is him.

29 Aug 2016 09:05:25
Morning Blue's.

Just a quickie.

What's happened to Bill Kenwright since Moshy took over?

I have a lot of respect for the guy. Is he still part of EFC or has he quietly walked away?

Have a good season Gents.

29 Aug 2016 09:50:59
He is still Chairman of the club and appears to be very much involved in transfer dealings.

29 Aug 2016 09:53:48
he still chairman and has some shares in club.

29 Aug 2016 10:29:47
Thats why it took so long to get new owners interested, bill wanted to sell his train set but still play with it, but Moshy will get rid, wait and see, LOL.

29 Aug 2016 12:01:47
Come on stig, He is entitled to to " play " after everything he has done for the club. By all accounts BK has a reputation as a top notch negotiator and as such has saved and made the club millions over the years.

Moshri is no fool and if he thought that BK was doing badly I am sure he would have a different negotiator in place by now or at least someone to be with BK to advise.

This season more than any other has been a difficult one for all of the clubs regards transfers due to the big amounts given by sky, many players are over-priced with clubs no longer needing to sell the players they have, that is what is slowing us down.

It's no secret that BK was looking for the right investor to take over the club if not he could of sold the club many times over as an on going business concern, instead he waited, invested his own money in keeping us afloat, and waited for an investor that would see the club as he does. It is also no secret that BK will be standing down he has said so himself, as soon as he is satisfied that Moshri is the real package he will go, he has gone on record as saying this.

BK has done wonders for our club and deserves none of the stick he gets, without him and his love of EFC we would be in the lower leagues saying " If BK had only chosen the right person to sell to instead of grabbing the money from the first offer "

29 Aug 2016 12:06:32
Thanks Gents.

29 Aug 2016 12:30:21
Ever spoken to the guy? He bleeds blue blood. I can guarantee he is as big an Evertonian as anyone else on this site. Would you stitch up Everton? Of course not. He is not in it for the money. To him it is a marriage. At times happy and at times sad. but he is in it for life. He will do what he thinks best for Everton. He may not always get it right, but I can promise you that on his deathbed, he will have no guilty conscience about his time at Everton.

{Ed001's Note - well said.}

29 Aug 2016 12:38:13
GT some fans have issues with BK and to some extent I'm one of them mainly (in my case anyway) for his obstinacy re RM firstly giving a proven PL failure the job of Everton Football Club manager and secondly allowing this proven failure the chance of almost taking my beloved Everton into the Championship !

That said BK is a Blue and loves the club without doubt and for that reason alone I will pull my punches because although he has flaws he also has strengths too and yes I believe for the most part he been good for this club .

29 Aug 2016 15:23:48
Degsy well said mate. All he has done for the club was and has been in the club's best interest.

29 Aug 2016 16:05:54
Gunner, look what you started? You a bit of a storer?

29 Aug 2016 17:02:52
Totally agree Grumpy and Degsy. Couldn't agree more with both but stig won't agree with us. His mind is made up on BK and that's fair enough. He's entitled as much as any of us to have his own opinion.

Blue247 I was as annoyed as you with Martinez being at the club. Never wanted him. Even when we were flying in his first season people were saying what a great manager he was. My reply was we'll see next season.

I know it was BK's decision but I don't blame him for that. He's human like us all and did make mistakes. That's inevitable no matter who we have in charge. But overall the positives far outweigh the negatives.

Imho the club benefited enormously from his work and passion. He was shrewd in his appointment of Moyes and this latest take over. Imo the 2 most crucial points of his tenure and he couldn't of gotten the decision, both times, any more right.

The club and supporters owe an awful lot to BK. The man should be allowed go whenever he feels like it. The least he deserves imho.

30 Aug 2016 11:39:58
Nbtb perhaps the last part of my post only got to your subconscious 😑.

29 Aug 2016 03:52:43
The next 10 days training with Allardice or the next 10 days training with Koeman. I know which one I'd prefer.

I really couldn't care about the England squad at this stage and TBH it's a break to our good rhythm right now. So I'm strangely pleased that Ross stays with us, and is sure to benefit by it.

Bring on transfer deadline day, bring on Sunderland. Internationals? No ta.

{Ed001's Note - I think he needs to be left out, keep his feet on the ground and remind him he is not the finished article yet. Sometimes players get it all too soon and fade away due to believing they have made it and not working so hard on their game. Barkley had shown signs of that recently, he needed a kick up the arse, which Martinez was never going to give him. Now he will get that from both Koeman and Allardyce.}

29 Aug 2016 06:38:58
Allardyce is a joke of a manager tho isn't he let's be honest. England are an embarrassment.

29 Aug 2016 07:44:06
Sometimes younger players have too much responsibility placed on them Ed. Managers say it all the time. There is 2 ways of looking at it. Some managers "blood" players young. I think Martinez wasoneof those. other managers "blood" the players more slowly. I think Moyes was one of those. It does do what you say and keeps their feet on the ground. but some fans don't see it that way. they see it as a manager holding back the player.

{Ed001's Note - agreed. You just have to hope that the right choice has been made in this case. Sometimes the best thing is to hold them back and build a fire in their bellies, once they have had a taste of first team football. You just have to be careful not to hold them back too much as they need experience that they can only get from playing. Italy has suffered in recent years because their youth players barely get a look in until they are mid-20s.}

29 Aug 2016 08:02:25
I agree Ed but shouldn't that also be the case with other younger players who didn't perform in France and aren't doing it now. Where as Ross didn't get a chance and is at least doing it now only but for a few games I admit. But it's a few games more than others.

{Ed001's Note - personally I don't think Allardyce has a hope of getting the first squad right. It has come too soon in the season for him to really have a chance to see who is performing.}

29 Aug 2016 08:10:23
There's no point having a creative midfielder under Allardyce as the ball never spends any time in the midfield. Only positive we have is, Vardy should get a hat full, with the ball over the top.

29 Aug 2016 09:25:30
Degsy, Messi wasnt held back nor Ranoldo nor Pele nor Maradona nor Gazza nor Ball. If you're good enough you're old enough. How old should he be before being played.

The problem Barkley has had is the same as the rest of the squad. They had Martinez as a manager. You can build a player up but you have to knock him down when he needs it as well. Koeman already sounds like he knows what's required for him to develop.

As for England. I think Sam is the man to win us the world cup. His CV is second only to a shed load of other managers over the past 20 odd years and I agree that if you can only find rubbish English managers the you should get one of them rather than a good foreign one.

I hope he's a success as I love England but personally I can't stand him or his brand of thuggery sorry football.

{Ed025's Note - big (head) sam,s claim to fame is that he has never been relegated ....big deal!..never actually won anything and his brand of football is from the dark ages, im with you john i cant stand him either mate..

29 Aug 2016 09:51:41
Peronally I'm keeping an open mind as far as SA is concerned #1 because he has wanted this job for a long time and maybe has answers to problems others wouldn't dare to even consider #2 we have had a plethora of England managers since Sir Alf Ramsey's departure and seen them all come and go without presenting any tangible proof that we as a nation are or should be regarded as a top tier international football country!

Who knows maybe Sam can bring in a reality check and end the myth that we have to play in some kind of utopian style before we can even think of winning tournaments!

{Ed025's Note - im afraid my mind is firmly shut 247, the guy has spent the last 20 years in alex fergusons back side and his sides play hoof ball plus his persona is that of an oaf...but besides that.. :)

29 Aug 2016 09:52:49
Allardyce LOL same rubbish managers getting top jobs, as Browner said England are an embarrassment.

29 Aug 2016 10:25:09
The England debate is a simple one. The team are conditioned by past experiences to fail. So either get a manager strong enough to change the mindset. Not sure SA is that person. Or change the failing players for fresh ones. And finally they will probably need a winter break.

{Ed001's Note - why a winter break? I have never understood this argument, it has absolutely no basis in reality. England have crap players, it doesn't matter whether they have a break or not. The Premier League provided a huge number of players for other nations that did much better, despite those players not getting a winter break either. If your players are on form and playing well, the last thing they need is a break. The problem is that English players are not good enough, nothing to do with breaks.}

29 Aug 2016 10:33:13
247 I'm not after utopian football. I want us to compete though which when you look at the players we have, we should be doing.

Hoddle, Sven and even Capello did do that and it was the top teams that knocked us out. Germany, Argentina, Portugal. McLaren and Hodgeson were a dissaster because they weren't good enough. SA is no better and has a brand of football that is about threatening the opposition off the pitch. Not in a simeone fasion but in a Kray brother fasion.

Athletico still play good football. Can't say the same for an SA team that I've seen.

He's just brought in a lad that scores from headers mainly. Tells you what he wants do already.

29 Aug 2016 11:16:57
John like I said 'I'm open minded' in other words I'm 'hedging my bets' type of thing, however I will say this if you think we had had managers who gave us world beaters mate then I must have missed it, just sayin like 😑.

29 Aug 2016 11:21:45
So reading between the lines Ed 001, you're not fussed on the winter break idea then. 🙄😂.

{Ed001's Note - damn, I didn't think anyone would notice....

Personally I just think people are making excuses to avoid the real issues in the game. You could have a hundred breaks, but if you are not as good as your opponent, then you are going to struggle, even if they have played a match every day for the last year. Fix the quality, then worry about the rest when you have a fair comparison. Having seen how the winter break is used by the clubs on the continent, they usually end up out here in the Middle East playing money spinning friendlies and doing a mini-preseason training schedule. It is not really a break at all. If they needed a rest, they should just let them have some time off training between games. Ranieri would just decide to give them a day or even a week off when they had gaps in the schedule, if he felt the players looked jaded. There is no excuse for being tired, they can easily find time to rest them. This is just about English clubs being excluded from the big bucks available for the winter games.}

29 Aug 2016 12:38:43
Flippin heck Bluejohnuns. do you ever read my posts properly? I actually gave Rooney as an example of where you get someone really extra special and can throw them in at any age. I agree that Messi, Ronaldo etc are in the same category. but everyone could see Barkley is not in this category last season. He is a good player yes. But not one of those in the same group as the ones you list. He OBVIOUSLY lost confidence last year and did not have the maturity to deal with it. I would have dropped him mid season if I was in charge and explained to him that he needed to start getting consistency. Rooney came in with us and was our best player by a mile. Even Stones dealt with things up until the last 10 games when his head was turned. Like I said, he needed to be blooded more slowly in my opinion. Yes given games. but not to be a first team automatic. and I think his performances overall last season substantiate my thoughts. He played well in some. but looked abysmal and lost in others.

29 Aug 2016 16:09:34
The only issue I had was you said it was to do with blooding youth. What you're saying is nothing to do with that it is to do with poor form which i agree with. Although his poor form coincided with many others and there were much worse playrrs on the pitch. No one called for lukaku to be dropped.

At 21/ 22 I wouldn't consider youth being any kind condition at all. You can only get stronger by coming through adversity and you learn hoe to deal with things.

29 Aug 2016 16:48:47
Now you are making sense BlueJohnUns. Yes I see Barkley as a 19 / 20 year old because of his time out through injury. that's my mistake. apologies. Nevertheless, he did look like a "little boy lost" at times and yes. this is another thing to level at the last manager. But I guess he was desparate to have some sort of forward midfielder at any cost. and that cost was Barkley's confidence. After signing Cleverly, Barry, Besic and McCarthy, he almost had to play Barkley because none of those could play a killer pass or score more than 2 goals a season. So Lukaku and Barkley had to be the first names on the teamsheet. I would still say Barkley has some maturing to do and I remember having a debate where someone told me Moyes had held back Barkley's development and Martinez was giving youth the chance. I said at the time that Martinez was indeed giving the youth a chance. but I also questioned whether the youth was ready for the chance. let's leave it at that mate. I get your point now.

29 Aug 2016 00:07:02
3 days left, I know it sounds daft but this feels like the longest transfer window in the history of ever!, how many ins? How many outs?

29 Aug 2016 09:11:50
Good question. but. how many ins that can immediately make the first team and strengthen us? A goalkeeper, a center half with captains abilit and totally a leader and a strong wide midfielder who scares the proverbial out of everyone and a ball winner who has slotted in and contributes to going forwards too! That will do me for now! And there is still 2 days to sign another 2. I really never expected to be signing players of the quality we have. for once I am going to be totally patient and say have trust in the manager. All this done without breaking into the 100 million that we are promised is available! Imagine what this manager can do when the top players actually want to sign for us. So far he has identified some class acts and exactly what we needed. We still need Sissoko or someone similar. This is not forgetting he has got Mirallas playing like he did under Moyes. What a player. Barkley has his confidence back too. Happy days. I know there will be ups and downs, but I genuinely feel we are back on track agin. Signing players like Kone, Alcaraz, McGeady, Lennon, Cleverly, McCarthy etc had relegation written all over it. Compare them with the 4 the new manager has signed. I may be being harsh with including McCarthy, but he is a stopper. and does not contribute with forward play. unlike Gueye. A stopper who can pass forwards.

{Ed025's Note - good post that degsy..

29 Aug 2016 10:45:19
Spot on Degsy. Think ahead to next summer and if we continue in the vein we are in now how easy it will be to sign players compared to this.

It's tough being patient even to an optimist like me but I couldn't be happier with the business done already.

COYB NSNO IRKWT.

29 Aug 2016 11:33:28
I can see a cheeky bid for victor moses coming

can fill a number of positions we need covering and has the koeman style we are playing.

{Ed025's Note - i would hope not BOTN..