Everton Banter Archive September 29 2017

29 Sep 2017 21:03:03
Everyone needs to calm down, all this talk of paying Koeman off and paying compensation for some other manager, we're turning into the rest of the clubs, we are now less than ten games in and your calling for a managers head, listen to yourselves, it's not Koeman it's the players there not performing, bottom line.
Back your manager until the time comes to say it's not working out but not now, just because we're financially secure does not give us fans the right to seat get rid otherwise are soul will go out of this club.

29 Sep 2017 21:59:52
It's all about opinions TB. I disagree about not being Koemen s fault. unfortunately his job is to train, manage and select team. yes the players, and indeed the board etc all have a part to play and should share responsibility to a certain extent (per an earlier post I made) BUT it's clear that we have too many CMs, no pace, no width, and Ashley Williams is a liability. we have much more quality in the squad and it's not been given a chance. and that part is Koemens fault. he persists with sigurdson on left wing, two holding CMs, Rooney on other wing/ all over place and Davy Klaasen Seems all confused ( not his fault) . is up to RK to change his tactics. maybe with some 'persuasion' from within the club.

29 Sep 2017 23:45:34
Well TrueBlue it is not up to us to decide either way. What is clear is exactly what Jcl1878 points out and that is that Koeman has lost the plot with the same tactics week after week which are not working. He either has to change or we are in trouble and the decision as to whether he stays or goes will rest with the owners.

30 Sep 2017 00:50:17
get him out. benitez is who we need.

30 Sep 2017 11:46:12
Think he has lost the Dressing room mates, now Lookman wants out?

29 Sep 2017 12:59:18
Hi Ed 025 I see the rags today are now saying that a lot of fans are asking the board to sack R K and bring in Ancelotti after he was sacked from Bayern, how much longer will Mr Moshiri carry on with R K do you reckon, would they possibly consider this option and are R Ks days numbered, i don't know what would be the best really I was chuffed when R K joined us but surely the board won't put up with the results we are getting mush longer.

{Ed025's Note - i think he will be given a short time to turn things around GB but with the new stadium on the horizon a relegation fight is not an option, i hope he does get us firing but im not holding my breath mate..

29 Sep 2017 15:16:38
Ed, when RK sat down with SW to go through what he wanted SURELY they discussed formations as well as positions when identifying targets. surely someone would have asked. "we have Tom Davies, Gana, Schneiderlin. so where and how are you going to play Rooney, Sigurdson and klaasen? " If not then fool on them, but if so surely the buck does not just stop with RK?

{Ed025's Note - it does really jcl, koeman is the No1 guy, the head honcho, the big cheese, numero uno...so the buck stops at him mate..

29 Sep 2017 16:53:35
Ed to continue, I agree he's responsible, he picks the team, he's playing at least 5 CMs across midfield ( I include Rooney there) and sacrifices width and pace in order to do so. and doesn't make best use of any of the CMs (other than Gana) . but why endorse buying so many CMs, to the detriment of strikers and more CBs (browning on loan? ) . My point being that other parties clearly allowed this. In my line of work I have to establish strategies and solutions for them. all with a view to solving one problem. obviously RK didn't have to do this, a sane person would have questioned the acquisitions made/ suggested.

{Ed025's Note - i really dont know why there are so many jcl..

29 Sep 2017 17:03:13
Why is everyone in such a rush to get rid of RK? I just don't think he has had enough time with this group of players to sort out the best team for the formation he wants to play. Our performances are not great but in the PL we are mid table and have a point from 4 of last seasons top 6 and beaten both teams that finished below us. Given time I think he will settle on the formation and personnel to push us forward.

{Ed025's Note - i would like to think so sa but you cant really blame supporters for asking questions when we are so flat mate..

29 Sep 2017 17:09:01
Neither do I ed. I would not have endorsed it, nether would u or most on here, hence my initial post. SW and board are also accountable to some degree imo (I'm not bashing them, but they've played their part in this, so they need to figure way out together)

29 Sep 2017 17:17:55
No1 guy, the head honcho, the big cheese, numero uno.
Love it, you been watching airplane ed?

{Ed025's Note - of course RIB..great film mate..

29 Sep 2017 17:27:14
Sa90, personally I think it's too early to sack anyone, but the deficiencies are obvious to a blind man. we don't need two holding midfielders, Ashley Williams is a liability (I've never like him in a blue shirt) and we are screaming out for pace and pizzazz and width. none of which can be gained by attained by playing 5 CMs. slow CMs. RK needs to shake his head. today.

29 Sep 2017 17:35:21
I don't think we need to panic just yet. More than anything our squad needs some confidence, when we have Baines, Schneidelin and gana passing sideways or backwards this smacks of a lack of confidence. These guys were bombing forward with the ball at their feet last season. I agree we need a target man, some pace and width but we have what we have and we need to stick together. We are not palace or Swansea, with his achievement last season, Koeman deserves at least half a season to make it work.

{Ed025's Note - i think if we just see some improvement it would help smit, but up to now he has given us nothing and that is why goodison is as quiet as i have ever heard it mate,

29 Sep 2017 17:50:51
Spot on ed. my sentiments exactly. just so frustrating when u can see areas that we are able to easily improve with the players we have.

{Ed025's Note - im just tearing my hair out jcl..

29 Sep 2017 18:56:28
You lucky, lucky b@#! *#. I have no hair left.

{Ed025's Note - i wont shortly mate.. :)

29 Sep 2017 18:58:19
I'm with sa90 and Smit666 on this. It is too early to be chopping heads.

My only concern is Koemans stubbornness. It got our last manager sacked when he insisted on playing Howard when it was clear to the dog in the street that he was finished.

I just hope Koeman doesn't do the same. The thing that worries me the most is that the players who need to be dropped, for example Williams, Morgan and Rooney, as much as I have stood up for him and wanted him back, are players he signed. That makes it all the more harder for him to drop them and take it on the chin when he is wrong.

Koeman seems stubborn and arrogant. It may well get him the sack if he doesn't bite the bullet and change things. Especially if it continues not to work.

This comes from me that wanted Koeman and Rooney. I'm not saying I want Koeman gone. I think he needs more time and Rooney also. But with the situation the club us in at the moment they need to make things happen for their own sakes or there will be changes for both.

{Ed025's Note - good post that mate..

29 Sep 2017 19:48:10
I'm never of the opinion to sack a manager so early in a season. Almost every season with Moyes saw us start badly but then go on a run. The same can be said of Koeman and if you look at last season that's what happened.

The problem is a usual one with teams like us and Southampton. You sell your best player and then have to find a way to compensate. Last year Stones and this year Lukaku. Lukaku is even harder to replace because of his goals.

Add to all that we have bought a shed load of players that need to adapt. However, koeman also has to adapt and be willing to. Something he has struggled to do this season so far.

Everyone's frustrated and I get why. I am too. However, I'm not at panic stations just yet and think he can turn things in our favour. Some people and again I understand why, look at the negatives but I'm trying to focus on the positives.

Yesterday for me Vlasic looked real quality and also looked like a good foil for Sig. Holgate too looked like he is ready to have a stint at CB. Hopefully we have Keane back and can dump Williams off. Plus we now have a quality GK.

I'm not worried about Sandro but he is young and not ready for the 1st team yet and Klaasen really needs time to adapt. Our league is so different in pace and aggression that for some it will take time.

To be clear though I don't support Koeman or any of our players. I support the club and if you don't perform for my club I want you gone.

29 Sep 2017 21:06:57
Good positive post BJU, summarises nicely what a lot of fans are thinkning.

30 Sep 2017 10:22:38
Pretty much what the majority of us are thinking John 👍.

29 Sep 2017 12:42:16
Not that Burnley will be a pushover at the weekend but need a big moral boosting victory, not just for the team but for the supporters

Assuming they're all fit then for me it needs to be

Pickford
Kenny Keane Jags Baines
Gana
Davies Sig Vlasic
DCL Niasse.

{Ed025's Note - ill have that fluffy..

29 Sep 2017 13:25:06
same as you there mate but lookman instead of davies width on both sides.

29 Sep 2017 12:32:11
75%_12% for the last poll in favour of koeman is the best manager for everton . be interesting what it would be now.

{Ed025's Note - i dread to think mate..

29 Sep 2017 14:20:10
Can we have a new poll please? lol.

29 Sep 2017 12:05:50
anyone else agree that sandro should be dropped down to the under 23's? doesn't look anywhere near at it at the moment think a few solid games do him world of good, he dropped lookman down for a couple games so why not do it for sandro?

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that mate..

29 Sep 2017 11:40:18
Ronald ain't got a Klueman
Not that its his fault or his tactics its the players who are scared. No width no pace working wonders so far. Why didn't he just sell Miralles, Lennon and Lookman if he got no intentions of using them.

29 Sep 2017 09:08:20
The only positive to take out of last night is the other two sides also drew. I think we need to win at least 2 of the 4 games left to progress.
I just worry for us if we keep playing slow ponderous football. Last night had very little tempo or urgency.
We need width and pace and now.

{Ed025's Note - i have to say its hard for me to take any positives from last night geoff..

29 Sep 2017 09:14:44
Geoff pace and width been the big elephant in room since start of season. we have plenty but it's either on the bench or not included in squad. RK is adamant that he can get 5 central midfielders playing in same team and I hat Wayne Rooney is a centre foward. that's his problem. well that and his arrogance to admit it's won't work.

29 Sep 2017 09:18:52
Dunno ed. I'm an optimistic chap and I feel vlasic and dcl done on when came on and Baines didn't do much wrong.

I never wanna see Williams in an Everton shirt again. Sandro needs time in u23 to get goals and build confidence. Siggy needs to be 10 and play lookman and kev or vlasic. If they make mistakes that's fine as long as they are running at defences. Last night we were just too slow.

Niasse or dcl up top on Sunday or both.

{Ed025's Note - im an optimist as well geoff normally, i just have a problem at the moment understanding the direction of where we are heading mate..

29 Sep 2017 09:48:59
Completely agree. Feels like we don't have an identity. At least under martinez we knew we were going to concede loads but also score loads.
We really are missing Rom up top. I'd even take mikeal madar or brian mcbride right now.

29 Sep 2017 11:55:18
I have to say we are not good to watch, ponderous passing in our own half, a lack of movement in the midfield, no natural width or pace, surely he must see this and react this weekend.
Vlasic worth a start and maybe 2 up top Niasse and DCL?
Mirallas must also be worth game time or Lookman, time for a change because how can you expect a different result when you keep doing the same thing?

29 Sep 2017 00:20:11
See Koeman is now blaming the players saying that they are "scared". I guess we cannot expect any changes in strategy then, he will just continue picking the same unbalanced team util they get whatever he is trying to prove.

29 Sep 2017 10:30:31
Well it was the players fault! I'm sorry but picking a formation and trying to play to a strategy is fine but if the players don't perform, then blaming the manager is pointless. Once the players are on the park they pretty much do what they want. I bet you RK doesn't want them to wander around the pitch at a snails pace congesting the middle of the park making individual errors that cost us goals. RK should take some of the blame but the players should take a lot more for some of their shocking performances.

29 Sep 2017 13:39:37
Thing is sa90 if you play CM out wide they will have a tendencies to drift inside as that is their instinct due to their natural game and position, if you want a player to play wide left pick a player who plays wide left, if you want a number 10 pick a number 10, horses for courses and all that it isn't rocket science, so yes it is the managers fault for selecting a starting 11 with at least 3 players out of position, and a player who doesn't warrant a position due to being poor thus lacking confidence.
Lookman reminds me of Sterling, yet Raheem was given an opportunity and sometimes he ran down a blind alley or made mistakes but he also had defenders on the back foot with his pace, why oh why we don't utilise this is beyond me. Its time to play your best 11 in the correct positions and let's get some confidence in the side and the fans by going on a run.
Pickford in goal as he is a keeper, Keane and Holgate at Centre back as they are both centre backs, Baines on the left and Martina Right again both their natural positions. Gana as the holding midfielder, Vlasic on the left, Lookman on the right of midfield with Sigurdsson in the centre which is were he has played throughout his career with DCL and Niasse up top. 4-1-2-1-2 formation. All players playing in the correct position and importantly with pace going forward, if Ron plays with 2 CM again at the weekend and Williams at the back, I give up and will not support his stubborness.