Everton Banter Archive April 02 2016

 

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02 Apr 2016 22:34:30
God I hope it's not true even though I'm sick of his name but just read Yarmolenko could be off to our friends across the park, talk about rubbing our noses in it.

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02 Apr 2016 20:55:48
Liverpool Echo have written a great little article about mo besic. I'll be honest, I think (and have for a while) that he's a future Everton captain. I think he has great ability but has been a little unfortunate with injuries. I remember the first 10 mins against Chelsea when he got injured and was replaced by naismith (who got a hat-trick) . In any case has great tenacity and committment and I think a natural leader. but I digress. reading the echo article and how he conducts himself off the pitch should be an example to all players and agents. Essentially, he talks about his strengths and weaknesses and why he is so happy to be at the club and he acknowledges the fans. when asked about his charity work he simply said "that's private " what a nice young gent he seems.

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02 Apr 2016 23:38:09
Agree mate, he is our future .

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03 Apr 2016 11:30:39
I also agree. I am though concerned about his injuries.

Some players are just prone to them and his seem to happen when under little stress. When this happens it tends to be with them throughout their career.

I really hope not as he is the right type of person we want.

Him, Robles and Brian are in a stark contrast to Lukaku and Mirallas. They're all about the team and not about themselves in public and take a second to think about the fans.

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03 Apr 2016 12:16:47
Agree with all of that blue! They keep quiet most of time and do All their talking on the pitch.

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02 Apr 2016 19:21:56
Hi Ed with all these posters going and on about Roberto what is your take on it, I personally think he is here for the duration and just wish all this negativity would stop and let's all get behind the team and see what will happen with our new investor I think we will have exciting times ahead, GuernseyBlue.

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{Ed025's Note - its hard to be positive when we play like we did against arsenal GB, my personal view is that he wont be sacked this season and possibly could be in charge at the start of the next campaign, i have to say that for me it has been a big let down this season as i thought we had a good chance of top 4, so im taking a back seat and just see how things pan out and hope wembley gives us all a bit of a buzz mate..

02 Apr 2016 20:03:07
Hi Ed many thanks for the reply GuernseyBlue.

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{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..its a pleasure..

02 Apr 2016 20:53:09
I think this season has actually been embarrassing. It irks me to see the likes of West Ham, Stoke and west brom above us in the league. As You say Ed, this season we should be in the mix for top 4, but we're closer to the bottom.

I'm angry at the inability of the coaching staff to find a solution during a long season to why we concede so many goals at the close of matches.

I have to say that getting behind my team is a privilege that right now feels like a chore.

But here's the frightening realty. Bill backs him 100% publicly so don't expect there to be any change to management until the end of Next Season. Sadly.

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{Ed025's Note - that is a worry ace, if bobby has not found a solution to our defending now after 3 years then it seems unlikely he ever will mate..

03 Apr 2016 08:58:58
Martinez is going to be the Everton equivalent of Rodgers albeit with an undeserved start to a 4th Season before eventually being sacked in October (to arrogant to walk) . He is going to be given access to funds that no other Everton Manager has ever had and will as Rodgers did under achieve and then at last Mr Kenwright will perhaps see the light.

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{Ed025's Note - and what did you say the next lottery numbers would be DM?.. :)

03 Apr 2016 10:45:32
4, 7, 11, 14, 20, 28. Lottery Numbers. League positions 5, 11, 14, 12 (RM Sacked) .

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{Ed025's Note - love it DM..

02 Apr 2016 19:20:17
Forgive me in sayin this but wasnt all blues fans who said in moyes we trust I for 1 didn't want moyes to go just think what he would have done with 150mil to spend our defence was good it was up front were the problem was so I think moyes would build a solid team I say moyes for me just my thoughts.

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{Ed025's Note - as i keep saying Tbone its all about opinions mate..

02 Apr 2016 19:45:51
Ed who would you have as manager and why and which players would you want.

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{Ed025's Note - pellegini or koeman for me Tbone, player wise if lukaku leaves then either arnautovic or vardy, i would also like mahrez or kante but they may be out of our reach mate..

02 Apr 2016 22:15:24
Defo to kante and arnautoviç but think vardy won't leave liester also think good shout on koeman.

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02 Apr 2016 17:47:25
them lot demo about getting ripped off with ticket prices. so wot do they do rip off their neigbours instead £52 for derby ticket do they plan another walk out to support their neigbours I THINK NOT. NEXT TIME ROUND LET US ROB THEM.

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02 Apr 2016 17:13:43
good point tommy look at the players he has missed out on payet ogbona west ham the dutch player newcastle over wages he knows a player allright I think the board should tell him not ask him that they are bringing in top class defenceive coach.

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02 Apr 2016 19:41:33
That could work, but I don't rate any of his backroom staff. None of them have any experience at the top level. Think the backroom staff needs gutting.

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02 Apr 2016 19:53:08
have we got a defence coach and who is he I agree tommy keep the the big man dunc but do you agree with my other points.

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02 Apr 2016 14:27:14
We all know why Martinez needs to go. His tactics, team selection and coaching are awful.

However, I was just thinking about the positive aspects of his management. I am pleased with the majority of players he has signed, and this includes young players. He has also facilitated a revamp of the academy and recruitment, and I buy into his long term plan for the club. He has the gift of the gab, all the players like him and he has done well persuading players to join and stay with us.

With this in mind, do you think, if it were possible, it would be a good idea to make him director of football, and pair him with an experienced, solid, tactical manager who could get the best out of the players?

I say this because I genuinely don't think, even with our profile and the extra money we have, that we have a shot at getting the likes of Tuchel, Low, Ancelotti, Hiddink or Mourinho. So getting the most out of Martinez, and getting a more realistic manager could be a good way forward. We would obviously have to replace all of Bobby's staff though, as they appear to be awful.

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02 Apr 2016 15:31:40
Well done Blue Tommy a very good and reasonable suggestion. Chances of it happening I'd say are small. I wouldn't be against it. You put a good argument forward for it.

We'd get the positives from Bobby and hopefully a better manager. Its a win win!

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02 Apr 2016 16:33:24
Good idea blue tommy. Martinez does deserve credit for his set up behind the scenes, purchasing of good players and his attacking football, is a shame that the dwfensive side has been a bit let down, we can cope with conceding a goal or two but only if we still get a positive result. maybe a change of some of his right hand men to someone more experience in top level football.

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02 Apr 2016 11:06:20
im not for looking back, but when everton so called supporters dis respect moyes it really do get my blood boiling. moyes built a team from next to nothing and kept us away relegation and challenging the big spenders year in year out. that's why man utd wanted him. ferguson left a poor squad to utd standards. very good manager in my opinion but we look forward not back.

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{Ed025's Note - he did a good job while he was here dazza but he could take us no further, hes a decent manager if you want to survive or scrap your way into the top half but he proved at utd that he is not good enough to bring success, he payed £28m for fellaini which shows how astute he is in the big money stakes mate.. :)

02 Apr 2016 13:41:33
Didn't he buy Mata too? Is he not one of their best players if not they best player Utd have this season?

Fair enough Ed025 you mightn't rate Moyes with a club like Utd but basing it on one signing while he was there is a bit fickle, don't you think? As I said Mata is doing fine.

It was a poisoned chalice taking over from Ferguson. Since Moyes left how much have they spent? How much are they better off? With a so called top manager in LVG?

To judge Moyes on what happened at Utd in less than a year is ludicrous imo. Look what he done at Everton over 11 years. All his own work.

I wouldn't be turning my nose up at Moyes. We didn't improve since he left so I can't see how were too good for him all of a sudden.

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02 Apr 2016 14:21:42
NB I agree moyes is a good manager, and I was concerned when he decided to leave BUT, from what I remember he said he was only asked to take the Man U position a couple of days before he gave his press release stating he was leaving Everton. but wasn't it the case that he'd been meeting with Man Utd officials for months and meeting SAF at his residence? Which is fair enough but If that was the case I would rather he'd stated that at the beginning . rather than state he had only just been asked. he would have been given a good luck pat on the back if he had but to try and deceive. that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. if he came back now it'd feel to me like he Would be accepting us as a default almost. I personally would rather see a koeman, a de boer or pelligrini. someone if that ilk.

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02 Apr 2016 14:51:15
i loved Moyes when he was here, done a great job but the killer blows for me where,

1. never signed a contract extension due to the fact he knew he was going, basically left on a freebie which if a decent player done we would all be fuming

2. this is the one that does it for me, remember when the news Sir Alex has retired broke, switch to Moyes jumping in a car with Neville with a massive smug smile on his face, just on his way to London to let Bill know he was off

not even arsed about him trying to snatch Baines as that's fine for me, he wanted a decent player, all teams do that, it was the sneaky slimey way he handled himself that done it for me, I can forgive most things but hate sneakiness as speaks volumes for someone

I never want him back, i'd never boo the guy either as respect him for what he done for us, i'd rather have Roberto and that's saying something.

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02 Apr 2016 12:39:09
Moyes was exactly the right manager we needed back then. He did his job brilliantly with very little financial support by premier league standards.

He's not the right fit now and I don't think he was right for us in maybe the last 2 years of his time with us.

As a fan I'm grateful for what he did. Although the way in which he left could have been much better.

More importantly Martinez is NOT what we need at this time or ever to be honest. He has some great attack minded philosophies but his shortcomings are all too apparent. He's a manager that is capable of gaining cup success but doesn't have the managerial know how to put a sustained season long challenge together.

We need a manager who can do exactly that. One with experience and not one of these up and coming ones. We are a huge club with great tradition on the verge of something far greater than Moyes or Martinez can cope with.

I would like to see someone who has won or come close to winning their domestic league, even if it was a lesser league.

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{Ed025's Note - im with you all the way ace..good post mate..

02 Apr 2016 13:03:13
Moyes did do a good job consistently spending what he sold or less, ED how can you say he was only good enough to survive or scrap into top half, he finished 4th,5th and 6th several times above a lot bigger spending clubs, to judge a manager after 10months at UTD taking over Ferdie, really?

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{Ed025's Note - i have to say kidda i was never a fan, i have praised him for doing exactly what you say but we could not improve with him at the helm, he got lucky coming to us as we gave him his big break and when he left treated us with disdain and contempt, thankfully he has moved on and failed in his last 2 posts even with money to spend, imo we owe him nothing mate..

02 Apr 2016 17:06:03
I don't want him back either, but if he had money when here who knows, we overachieved with him and are now underachieving with Bob massively, moyes has left a bad taste in evertonians mouths with his actions after he left.

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02 Apr 2016 16:53:30
As I said below Moyes would not be my first choice. Above I was simply making the point if I had to choose between either Martinez or Moyes and only them 2 I'd go for Moyes everytime. I'd be intrigued to see how many and also why anyone would choose Martinez over Moyes?

Toffee Ace I agree with every word in your post apart from the last line in the second last paragraph. No doubt it was sly what Moyes was doing in his last year at Everton. At the same time Utd wanted him and he had to talk things over before accepting the job.

I'm not saying that's acceptable from an Everton point of view just saying they needed to talk. There's plenty of things I wasn't happy with when Moyes left. He did belittle our great club.

I have to agree Ed025 Everton F. C. owe Moyes absolutely nothing. He was paid well and given a fabulous platform after leaving Preston. In return he done a excellent job at Everton imo. He has plenty to be grateful of at Everton too.

The idea of us not improving under Moyes is very debateable imho. No one knows that for sure. Taking our current situation into consideration if we finish 10th - 14th I think Moyes could better that very easily next season.

Couldn't see us finishing any less than 7th under Moyes with this squad and imho probably in top 4.

That's just my opinion. I'm not going to fall out with anyone over it. I just want stability back at Everton. I love a sturdy defense. I'd far rather have plenty of clean sheets than plenty of goals for.

The last two seasons has been a rollercoaster with results. I hate when we can't defend to save our lives. The feeling I get after being in a winning position of 3 - 0 and then end up losing 3 - 4 for me is far far worse than walking away with a 1 - 0 boring win.

How many games has my guts being pulled out this season because we can't defend? Far too many, I'd take boring football any day over that. Losing to Stoke and drawing with Bournemouth the way we did is an absolute joke. Nothing worse than loosing points that way.

As I said that's only my view but hey, what the hell do I know.

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{Ed025's Note - quite a lot by the sounds of it NBTB, really good post there mate..

02 Apr 2016 10:01:16
So looks like lukaku going to manutd in summer like I said it's only for the money for him and his agent he said he wants to leave for champions league football and there not even sure if they will be in it so what excuse will he come out with now I for one want him gone now he is upsetting the team and club and dividing the fans.

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02 Apr 2016 11:00:28
I agree and with Moshiri here I think it's a case of how much am I worth and to who?
Hence RMs comment yesterday.
Lots of pigs heading to an over flowing trough for which ever club you support this summer.

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02 Apr 2016 17:16:01
Not a big fan o Bobby, mainly to his tactics and subs, but what I do like about Bobby is, he dug his heels in over Baines and Stones staying, If he is still here I think he will do the same with Lukaku, he has the players here, all he needs to do is work on his tactics, he doing it away from home, got us to two semi finals, we are halfway there with the away form, learn from your mistakes Bobby, keep mixing youth with experiance and you can take us to the next level, but only and if only you work on your mistakes and tactics.

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02 Apr 2016 07:55:05
Morning all,

Looking forward to tomorrow, 2-1 to us got a good feeling about it. Think we will do well in the run in.

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02 Apr 2016 11:24:23
Hope you're right mate, clock is ticking for RM now, he needs wins and plenty of them.
38 points a week after Easter, scarey!

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02 Apr 2016 00:40:10
Don't want to worry anyone, but paddypower have Moyes as 2/1 fav, to be our next manager!

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02 Apr 2016 09:07:13
Not worried with that at all. Which would you rather JCW100 Martinez or Moyes? This time last year there would be a lot more picking Martinez. I suspect today there would be more picking Moyes. Say what you want about Moyes we were consistent under him.

Like a post I wrote about our chairman Moyes is not perfect just like Martinez or any manager for that matter. If I had to pick which of the 2 I'd rather it would be Moyes every time. I'd have to question why anyone would rather Martinez. Better squad than Moyes ever had and he manages to finish at least 4 or 5 places lower.

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02 Apr 2016 10:11:38
That's right. Set those standards high. Moyes or Martinez? Are you kidding?

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{Ed025's Note - im with you john, talk about out of the frying pan into the fire!!, if we went back for moyes that would be me done im afraid, i can take disappointment and even a bit of failure at times but to self inflict misery as well as boredom on us would be the final straw..as it says in brewsters millions..NONE OF THE ABOVE..

02 Apr 2016 10:16:57
One more thing. Moyes admitted to selling our players to bigger clubs to further their careers when trying to steal Baines on the cheap. At least Martinez has changed that at Everton.

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02 Apr 2016 10:47:12
In knocking Moyes it says one thing you have a very short memory.
As for this stupity over Baines, he was trying to do the best for United which is ok as he was United manager. As for selling players, well polocies like that come from the board.
While Moyes is not my first choice this time around, I would welcome him back with open arms as he is a very very good manager and built a fine team that Martinez has destroyed.
I admit that I am discusted with all this knocking of Moyes, what next knocking Royal, Kendall!

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{Ed025's Note - its all about opinions i suppose milomj, i have never been one for looking back mate..

02 Apr 2016 11:02:00
These were his words milomj not mine. The stupidity is his and if you want a stupid manager mores the pity on you.

I've been banging on since our takeover on here to try and change peoples opinion that we have to look at average players and managers. We have money. It's the EPL and we can attract the people from the top of the pile again.

Neither of these are good enough. Moyes had his chance and failed. He couldn't attract the players when he took over because of who he was and now you want him to do the same with us. He then got given a decent pot at Real and took them down towards the relegation places and then sacked. Now you want him back?!

All I am saying is think bigger and think better. I'll keep banging on though until we all start looking at a brighter future and no longer at the past.

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02 Apr 2016 11:38:36
I did say Moyes is not my first choice, I like the idea of Koeman, he is very impressive. While I said I would welcome Moyes back, I do not want him back as I agree we cannot look back, but I only ever praise him for what he did, an for me it would not be the end of the world if he came back.
Yes let's go forward and find a new man for a new era if we can.

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02 Apr 2016 12:05:29
. Koeman all day long for me too. massive respect from me as a player and now as a manager. gets the right balance between defense and attack and talks no waffle week in week out!

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02 Apr 2016 13:48:28
I am to old to have another ten years of boring Moyes? remember he left us? said we where holing players back?

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02 Apr 2016 13:52:26
BlueJohnUns we get a new owner and all of a sudden we're too good for Moyes. We've gone backwards since he left. Fact is Martinez is finishing the team in places where Moyes finished in his first couple of years at Everton. Set your standards high? Are you serious BlueJohnUns.

Our defense needs sorting big time. I'd totally agree with getting Moyes in, get the defense sorted then maybe get a new manager depending on how we were doing under him.

I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at Moyes as we were doing better under him than this clown. We're going backwards. From having one of the best defenses in the league to one of the worst within a couple of years.

For the record Moyes would not be my first choice but I certainly would not turn up my nose at him.

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02 Apr 2016 14:48:52
I hope Villa appoint Moyes as their next manager to stop this debate. Yes, DM did a good job with the resources he had available, especially in his early years, but is that enough to have him back in charge? He failed spectacularly at utd, albeit with the help of a novice chief exec, and didn't fair much better in Spain. For the record, he was never going to succeed at the mancs, he was left with a carcass of a squad in need of over hauling. It has already been mentioned of him saying we were holding our top players back, that's a big cross next to his name. Before he left (he had already been named as SAF's replacement) utd were throwing in derisory bids for two of our players. That, for me, was enough to cut all ties with him forever. I expected him to be interested in a few of our squad but he could have at least waited until his first day in charge of his new club. Disrespectful imo.
We need to move forward with a new manager in charge if the board decide to sack RM, not look backwards. Not many managers have a successful second stint at clubs.
No denying that he took us up the league and stabilised the club but he could never take us to the next level. We also can't deny that RM has taken backward steps with regards to our league position. If we were to sack the current manager then let's move forwards with a new man who knows how to win things. I'm certain that DM is not that man.

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02 Apr 2016 17:04:14
Spudv when you pop up with a post I rarely if ever diagree with you. I'm 50/ 50 on this one.

He didn't fail at Utd as you say he was never going to succeed. As I said he wouldn't be my first choice but with the choice of him or Martinez there is no comparison imo. I'm sick of Martinez and wouldn't mind seeing Moyes in for a year or 2 to steady the ship and then pick our manager to bring us to the next level.

I said months ago on here a managers second stint at a club is very rarely if ever successful. I obviously totally agree with you on that. I'm just sick of conceding goals. I get a little physically nauseous when we end up losing or drawing from a winning position which has happened far too much this season imho.

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02 Apr 2016 00:14:28
I've just finished watching rerun of the 4-4 in 2012 with United.

The goals, the football, sublime. I remember tuning into podcasts and Sunday sup at the time of 2010-2012 when moyes EFC was playing some excellent football and the pundits couldn't get enough, the adulation was incredible.

I'm sure we'd all agree, one can't imagine the DM coaching brigade teaching the players all that intricacy. Teaching pienaar and baines the 'underlap' as pat nevin likes to call it, or the fellaini-Cahill telepathy, or any
Of that happy science which vaulted us into the uefa cup .

My point is this, I think that we place too much emphasis on the manager. Especially to coach defences and attacks. Gary Neville was blue in the face on ssn telling us all how to defend zonally and pointing his plastic pseudopen at central midfielders not willing to track back. Yet he takes the reigns and his tactical noise is anathema, null and void.

Ultimately it's not about managers telling players what to do or how to play etc etc. We've created that because when things go wrong we need to blame something.

The facts are these: Barkley is a nervous footballer which doesn't bode well for an attacking midfielder craving possession. Besic drops his head once he thinks he's achieved small gains enough to mollify the manager. Barry has lost his drive, stones wants a new club, deulofeu is content. It's all in between the ears, it's about desire.

Mirallas and Lukaku are the only footballers we have who have unrelenting confidence in their own ability. These guys win you matches. Not managers, perhaps psychologists (although it's much easier if the psychology is instilled by family members/ youth coaches than at a later stage) at which point, it's too late (England 1967-now) .

Whoever talks or fears about Leicesters footballing ability to get them over the line. Everyone, pundits, bookies, journalists are pointing at their nerve. It's all upstairs, in the mind. And Roberto instills confidence, I hope he fumigated this confidence into youth level, it's arrogant chaps like Wayne Rooney who win you titles, but once the head goes, the feet soon follow.

Lecture over

Jakalakawaka
Cheltonian blue.

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02 Apr 2016 09:15:28
Don't agree jakalakawaka. You have a point to a certain extent but for me the manager picks the team and makes all the decisions. Therefore the responsibility lies with him.

Martinez instills confidence?! Are you having a laugh? Our defense drop there heads because they haven't a clue how to defend. He instills our team conceding plenty of goals which I blame Martinez for mostly not the players.

Coleman, Baines and Jagielka at Everton a long time and had plenty of good seasons where they let in very few goals. Add in Howard and Distin. This was BEFORE Martinez came. Now three seasons after he's here our defense has fallen to sh*t. Namely Coleman, Baines and Jagielka at the moment.

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