Everton Banter Archive August 02 2014

 

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02 Aug 2014 23:29:59
Sorry Ed, a bit like the Labour Party.
too many Eds, never fell out with the other Ed, or
you I hope, just saying the posters on this site need a bit of factual information, & mediation from
time to time, & I for one look to the 2 Eds to give us this.
I Claudius.
p.s. tell the other Ed I still think Dobbo was crap,
no offence meant.

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{Ed025's Note - im the dobbo lover hendo..ED025 mate..

03 Aug 2014 00:12:17
Hhenderson,

In answer to a previous question the kitbag deal runs out in 2019 I think. But as a poster rightfully enquired, there must come a time when it will be of greater gain to buy out the remainder of the contract and make more money ourselves.

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02 Aug 2014 18:50:09
Hey Ed, any chance you could make a list of transfer targets like you did near the start of the window if you have the time?

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{Ed025's Note - that was ED02 mate..he is no longer editing the everton site NSNO..

Ed 02 is no longer interested in giving us rumours as certain posters think there the bee's knee's and don't value the vital role she contributes on this website!i for one am not in this category as she is the most in the know ed!p.s feeling so optimistic about this year!ed 25 how did you end up supporting both arsenal and Everton!is there a story behind it?

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{Ed025's Note - ED02 is taking a break from the everton page NI, he obviously feels undervalued by some on here after getting some grief over the lukaku signing, the guy works very hard for this site and I'm sure could do without smart arse comments regarding his credibility...I only support one club mate, and that's everton, I do edit the arsenal site as well though, and I find their supporters to be a cracking bunch, I also have great respect for arsenal as I believe they are a proper club like us..

02 Aug 2014 23:09:57
Ed, please remember this site needs a bit of balance & sanity, & you are it.
We've had our spats in the past about Dobbo, but always without malice, so come on mate, don't spit the dummy, can you imagine what this site will deteriorate to without you as referee?
Remember why I changed my tag from fleetwoodblue to I Claudius?

I Claudius.

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{Ed025's Note - i dont know what you mean hendo?...you may be getting me mixed up with another ed mate...i have never spat my dummy out, check the number of the ed you think did,,,and get back to me fella..

02 Aug 2014 23:02:25
Pb2, I'm not holding Everton responsible, what I am saying (as fact) is that because of the financial
situation in Spain (bankrupt) services like the post
& pharmacies go on strike when the government run out of money & don't pay them.
Even the police are on a go slow. The AP7 motorway up the east coast from Alicante to Barca & on to France is rife with car muggings, why? because they can't afford to pay enough police. So let's agree to differ.

El Claudius.

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02 Aug 2014 19:29:49
Hi ed002 could you give us some information on atsu. What type of player is he? And with him being 22 and getting sent out on loan again is that Jose putting him in the shop window?
Also do you know of anymore strikers we are interested in as plan b or back up to rom

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - He is an attacking midfield player or winger. He is on loan for experience. He is not going to be sold. I told you about him months ago. It will be interesting to see if the vegetables who said he was not good enough for Everton still have the same idea at the end of the season.}

Ok cheers ed no one is not
Good enough or too good until they have been given a fair chance. Are the is co rumours rubbish.

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Whats with all the hostility all the time ed. Are you still upset because you got the lukaku situation completley wrong? If atsu is not for sale why is there an option to buy for 6.5 m next summer? Or is it like when lukaku wasn't for sale but really he was.

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{Ed002's Note - I have never once said that Lukaku was not for sale. Chelsea decided back in February that he must be moved on after he seriously pissed off the club. I am hardly upset about it - and nobody expected Everton to offer £10M more than any other club. Clearly my information is not wanted on this page by cretins like you so this will be my last post.}

02 Aug 2014 20:16:34
Svenny, o.k. mate, did you ever tried to get anything delivered into Spain since their economy
went pear-shaped(I was going to sat tits up but thought better of it)
You can order on line, then hope & pray it turns up to an address that don't have a direct delivery service. You can pick it up from the local postal
(non service) if you can catch them open, & if they can find it) parcels from other counties are a particular target.
so go to Spain, order on line, & good luck.

I Claudius.

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Well said Claudius,no point in me even trying to explain what happens with goods en route to Ireland,let's just say I miss the carrier pigeon.

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The only reason I get mine is because my brother-in-law is the posty

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Everton cannot be held accountable for other countries lack of abilty to provide a civilised society for people to live in.

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Think you might be missing the point there Pb2

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Woah, woah, woah, chill out, no I do not know the ins and outs of the Spsnish postal service, however I do have clients in Spain who receive my post. Regardless I take you word for it.
However, if Everton sold 1 shirt, or 1 billion shirts we get the same amount from Kitbag so the arguement annoy flossing money is true but false at the same time.
The commercial director who agreed the deal no longer works with us, enough said. What I was trying to say (potentially misinformed) was you can order the kits so it didn't need anyone flying over to Liverpool to pick em up. But if you saying you don't receive post, or deliveries then fair dues, you will struggle (not just getting a kit but in many ways - not meant sarcastically)

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02 Aug 2014 19:24:09
Haha, Ronaldo has been linked with a return to Man U. Because, and wait for it. When asked if he would go back he said " in the future nobody knows"

Well it's a done deal then. I can just see tomorrow's press conference with him sat next to JMc both tugging on the same home shirt.

Or more realistically Man U will sign Neither this summer.

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02 Aug 2014 19:38:09
Brilliant mate

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04 Aug 2014 10:13:32
What was the crowd at the game yesterday. Can't see it published anywhere so presume it was not that big?

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{Ed025's Note - around 20,000 i think pips..

02 Aug 2014 18:33:33
Not sure if I'm going to Ossies testimonial tomorrow as I'm in work and not sure what time I'll get finished, so I've looked to see how much on the gate and personally I think 25 quid is a bit much for a testimonial.

I seriously hope the bulk of this money is going to charity as I'm sure Leon isn't short of a few bob after 11 years playing for Everton.

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{Ed007's Note - Claire House Children’s Hospice on the Wirral along with the Make-A-Wish Foundation will benefit from the proceeds of Sunday’s testimonial.}

Thanks ed, glad to hear it.

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You miserable person. Bet you never go to Testimonials do you? because you'd be terrified your money went to the player, regardless of how many years of sweat n tears they've given our club. Not every player gives to charity but so what, that's up to them what happens to the money. They have deserved the testimonial for giving 10yrs plus to our club, something you don't see in clubs these days, loyalty.

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I wish I was on 50+ grand a week, and all my customers give me a huge pay packet when I've been looking after them for 10 or more years whether I give it to charity or not, testimonials are a thing of the past, it was for player who were not on big wages and actually got the bus or walked to the ground with the fans.

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Short career, and the afterwards has claimed many a footballer to mental health issues. They are in the entertainment business our entertainment and anyone who give 10 yrs plus to my club deserves my thanks. Have you imagined what its like to have 15-20yrs in football day in day out training, adulation of the crowd once or twice a week, fans clamouring for you autograph, the smells, the fitness, then you wake up one morning and nothing. No trip to the training ground, no changing rooms, no player banter and comradeship, no fans wanting your autograph. By the way not every player in the country is on 50k a week, and 9/10 of all testimonials now ARE for charities, how good is that!

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{Ed025's Note - the PFA look after players who are in financial difficulty howie, and nearly all are part of a pension scheme, which gives them an income after their career has ended, thus negating the need for money gained in testimonials mate..

Well as your mate you will have read they aren't making money, its going to charity mate. Again i'm happy to pay to go and watch someone who has served my club and entertained me for so long.
Thanks Ossie, those of us there salute you, great player, great servant.

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{Ed025's Note - i will be there as well howie, the causes are great, and as you say he has been a great servant..

Howie you're miles off the mark here son. What about the fans who spend all their money watching the team. I remember in my younger days walking from Netherton to Goodison and back in any weather to watch the game because I couldn't afford to go, I've hitched to away grounds, bunked trains from lime st, been nabbed bunking on the official man city supporters club and booted off in the middle of nowhere with not a clue where maine rd was I could go on all night. Never EVER question a fans loyalty because he is pondering a friendly. Doing so only serves to prove you've never left yourself with literally nothing to watch your team. Do you think the players really care about that. Or even understand what its like to have to live hand to mouth to watch your team?

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Sadly, you don't want to hear what the players o. I know for a fact the ammount the players and the club do in care and support to all charities, look on the website at Everton in the Community alone as to what is being done. You scream about how they don't care but your the same as all of us, screaming at the club to spend big on the team, £28 million on one player @ £65-75k a week, not worried about money then are you, quite the opposite your deleriously happy. Hypocritical springs to mind.

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I think you've had a bump on the head Howie mate, the fans who pay their hard earned money into supporting the club have every right to want to see it reinvested into players and success. Without the fans the club doesn't exist. The point I was making was he may not have the money to go or it may be leaving him short so don't jump down his throat for considering not going. All todays money goes to charity and of course I know the players do a lot for charity and so they should they're in a very priviladge
Position and it's the least they can do. They get paid handsomely for doing something they love doing so please don't tell me that the players deserve any more than what they're already getting because they get enough, it's the joe bloggs fans who struggle every year to go and watch the game that deserve the credit, yourself included mate. I probably, after mine and both my kids season tickets, kits, programmes etc give the club over 3 grand (prob more with the odd away and cup games ) and so do thousands of others. That's a lot to a working lad like myself. Players get that for a half a days pay mate.

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03 Aug 2014 18:00:52
Mean and miserable? Bit strong Howie. I support penty of local charities including woodlands hospice and Marie curie. I'm just back of hols so wasn't aware where the testimonial money was going and I'm delighted it's going to the charities mentioned. But yes your right, if I found out testimonial money was going to line the pockets of someone who is already loaded I wouldn't go as it's absurd.

How do you know Ossie has been loyal, can you really see anyone offering him a better deal than Everton?

I'm by no means a detractor but i'll say it as I've seen it. Good player times awful at times and no in between.

He deserves his day, as did Hibbert, Southall ( I went to those) but this argument about a short career- come off it!They go on to earn more thanI ever will talking rubbish in a tv or radio studio.

All I said is £25 ( plus £15 for my lad) is a bit much for a testimonial and I hope the money is going to charity. Very mean thing to say?

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I give up, ya talk like every footballer is loaded and a Tv pundit afterwards.
Went today, happy where my money went and so glad I was there to say ta to a great Everton player.

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02 Aug 2014 17:59:04
A word of caution to all those clamouring for even more players to join the club. If I've got this wrong, then I'll willingly stand corrected by anyone who can cite the correct regulations.
For 2014-2015, a player will be classified by the Premier League as under-21 (and therefore not have to be registered in the main 25-man squad) if he's born on or after 1st January 1993. So, Barkley (born 05/12/1993), Lukaku (13/05/1993) and Stones (28/05/1994) are still classified as under-21. However, Duffy (01/01/1992) and McAleny (12/08/1992) are now classified as over-21 and have to be registered in the 25-man squad - if they're going to be eligible to play. There's no Premier League restriction as such about using any number of under-21 players.
Here's the wrinkle: for the UEFA Europa League, an under-21 player (born on or after 1st January 1993) has to have been with the club for two years in order to be eligible for the list of under-21 players (known as List B). Any under-21 player who hasn't been with the club for two years has to be registered in the main 25-man squad (known as List A). So, if players like Lukaku and Stones - and our other recent young signings like Stanek, Galloway, Byrne, etc. - are to be eligible for the Europa League, they'll have to be registered in List A for the Europa League.
By my reckoning, we already have twenty-one players aged over 21: Howard, Robles, Coleman, Hibbert, Baines, Oviedo, Jagielka, Distin, Alcaraz, Duffy, McCarthy, Barry, Besic, Gibson, McGeady, Osman, Mirallas, Pienaar, Naismith, Kone and McAleny. For the Europa League, I expect we'd add Lukaku and Stones - as I've explained above - and that leaves two slots. I imagine those two slots would be for Atsu and another forward (Traore?).
So my point is this: with these two likely over-21 additions (i.e. Atsu and whoever) we'll have filled the registered squad for the Europa League. I can't imagine any of our players being registered for the Europa League and not for the Premier League. I don't see where any more players would fit in the registered squad. Our longstanding young players - like Garbutt, Browning, Hope, Long, etc. - will all be on List B - as will Barkley, even those he's a first-team regular.
For both Leagues, we need eight "homegrown" players in the 25-man squad and we have nine in the list above. For the Europa League, the eight "homegrown" players must include four "club-trained" players, which for us are Osman, Hibbert, Duffy and McAleny. If we don't register the minimum number of "club trained" and "homegrown" players, then our squads will have fewer players than the allowed 25 - so I can't see any of those four being omitted.
One final thought: once Stones has been with us two years (that'll be January 2015), I guess he'll become a List B player for the Europa League and we should then be able to bring someone else into our List A squad that we register after the January 2015 transfer window.
I really must get a life rather than posting on this website ;-)

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02 Aug 2014 17:38:36
.well, what a difference a week makes. Barkley, Lukaku, Galloway, Henin, Atsu (any minute). get the feeling there's more to come too. I reckon Lacina Traore is probable on loan. & usually there's a usually a nice surprise from Bobby to please the fans - & I wonder if it could be Isco on loan from Real Madrid? We'll see! :)

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02 Aug 2014 19:01:46
& Besic. how could I forget, stupid me!

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02 Aug 2014 17:37:37
post to Bluecard & Toffee Ace about the strip.
I spent 6 months in Spain last year, all the resident blueboys in the bars complained they couldn't get the new shirts.One lad still had a season ticket & flew back for home games started to bring back shirts for the other lads.(now that's devotion) I just don't understand this kitbag deal.
one of the 1st rules of commerce is expose your goods to the danger of them being sold.
When does this existing deal run out?
I want to put myself forward as selling agent for Spain!
I am. confused Claudius.

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We had many a good soldier in Ireland doing the same thing as u did hendo:)we could still order in online from the club but that works out fairly expensive.i think there's a couple of years left yet on the deal but I'm not sure.it is crazy tho,especially since we've been opened up to an entire new audience with Roberto's coming and our eye catching football that he's brought plus the American market with timmys heroics in the World Cup.

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{Ed025's Note - i think we have 5 years left card..

Cheers Ed,I thought we'd 2 or 3 years left and thought that was bad enough.

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That's nonsense, I live in Sweden and you can order the shirts online from anywhere and they will post it for less than a fiver if you are willing to wait a week to get it.
The deal with kitbag is silly but then so are the fans who have not figured out online shopping. I got a kit for me, my 4 year old and an infant body that resembles the kit all delivered online directly from our site

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What's nonsense svenny,do you not think you should b able to walk into a sports shop and buy a jersey if you want to.as much as I love the net and online shopping,I still would like to purchase a jersey in a shop.

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I've worked in the sports retail industry for almost 20 years. Trust me when shirts are released the first day is a big deal. When Liverpool went from Reebok to adidas off the back of their CL flewk sport shops in Swansea were taking serious money and so it has gone since then. I also worked in Cardiff when Chelsea played Liverpool in the community shield. It was bedlum.

Can you imagine if that happenend with us playing Liverpool. Seeing all these Liverpool shirts on in the shopsand nothing , not a single lice of Everton merchandise in the entire city. That is the realty of our rubbish kitbag deal. Utterly embarrassing.

On the point of being able to order them anywhere on the internet. Well that is designed so that all supporters have to visit the website and with that many hits the club can ask for more revenue for advertising space etc. Although they probably have not taken advantage of that such is the ineptitude of their marketing strategy.

But ultimately I would like to go into a sports shop anywhere in Britain and Europe and see our shirts up with all the other top clubs who we on merit are now rubbing shoulders with
Rant over.

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02 Aug 2014 16:37:37
David Henen has signed 5 year contract he say, s so himself

http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2014/08/henen-confirms-five-year-everton-deal/

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02 Aug 2014 18:48:37
It's mot Henen it's Galloway.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/everton-transfer-news-toffees-capture-mk-dons-teenager-brendan-galloway-as-defender-agrees-fiveyear-contract-9644300.html

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There is some debate as to whether that is Galloway or Hennen. It looks nothing like Galloway and everything like Hennen to me like but I could be srong.

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The lad in the taxi is Henen.

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02 Aug 2014 16:06:52
the squad is looking a lot better now with the 2 new signings Henen and Galloway

for this to be the best window I have seen I would like maybe 2 or 3 more players

Millner 7-10m
Richards 5m ( last year of contract )
Astu - Loan
and a Striker on loan

What do you guys think?

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I can't see most of that happening Yorkie mate but I'd absolutely stunned and ecstatic if it did mate :)

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02 Aug 2014 17:04:29
Get atsu in on loan and a striker, imo we don't need richards or milner, need fit defenders on good wage that can play, don't think we need an injury prone right back that will be on silly wages and hasn't played in two years, for milner we need wingers with pace who can beat a man and when he does, be able to cross it or cut inside, atsu, henen and traore will do me

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02 Aug 2014 17:09:32
I think we still need two top quality players who will really challenge for a first team slot, rather than just be squad players - attacking players with plenty of pace, who can win a game for us. Not sure who they are though! Pips

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We haven't got Henen yet. Nothing agreed with Anderlecht so far but ongoing. Taxi driver's quote about it is wrong as he had Galloway in the back of his taxi, not Henen.

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I've seen that pic it's most definitely not Galloway it's Hennen.

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02 Aug 2014 18:02:43
The person in the back was henen

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02 Aug 2014 15:42:51
Just created a league on the official fantasy premier League site (not with ssn)

The code is781641-191102

feel free to join in

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02 Aug 2014 14:52:42
Rumour going around saying Big Dunc will make an appearance in Osman's testimonial tomorrow has anyone else heard this?

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02 Aug 2014 17:09:22
Probably not, at hibberts testimonial there were rumours of rooney, just bs most likely

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Don't want him to anyway, I want all the first team to play for vital pre season competition. Granted not all are available. So would rather see an up and coming star in place instead

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02 Aug 2014 12:46:49
Saw my 2 young grandsons yesterday, they are just back from Lanzerotti, both wearing Barca stips, mum & dad also bought them the local F.C.
Lanza strip. why no new blues strip? non to be seen.whats going on? other clubs are making millions from selling their strips all over the world.
I'm also told (not confirmed) that our new strip not available in Ireland.Who's in charge of product
placement & merchandising at the club? he needs a kick up the tush. this is the prime time pre kick off for selling club merchandise, & we seem to be missing out on a great opportunity.
Anyway I sent the grandsons away with no ice-cream & a thick ear.(only joking)
I Claudius.

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{Ed025's Note - not really any effect on our finances hendo, as kitbag deal means we do not get a percentage of sales, but its certainly a chance to put us in the shop window and encourage more support mate..

Hendo I'm Irish and we havnt had the kit for sale here for 3 years now but this year a couple of sports outlets have been promised by both everton and umbro that they will be given the home jersey only(at the moment) to sell at some stage,originally not til October but now changed to some date in August.its ridiculous we can buy a sporting Lisbon or Malaga Jersey here but not a team from the closest city to Dublin.

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Hopefully by the time we are able to kick Kit Bag into touch we are regular in Europe and able to market our brand in the same way the others in Europe do.

This was a good deal when it happened as it was a regular guaranteed income for 10 years which at the time would have kept the banks off our backs, which was priority number one in those days.

Now we have moved on from those darker financial times we rightfully get very frustrated that every time we go into a sports shop we see almost every shirt but ours. The end of this deal can't come soon enough.

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02 Aug 2014 17:54:47
Could we possibly buy our way out of the kitbag deal?
I appreciate there would probably be a penalty or something, similar to paying off a mortgage early, but if it was a realistic price we could then sell our merchandise on a wider scale and reap the rewards.

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02 Aug 2014 11:56:49
Gotta say that Remy at £12.5m looks a snip when you see the likes of mcCormack £11m, Mitroglu £13m,
and is proven to score in the prem!

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{Ed025's Note - getting insurance for him could be a major issue though wakka..

02 Aug 2014 11:02:11
Hey ed and other blues, just a quick question, think there will be tickets available on the door for tomorrow?

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{Ed025's Note - yes mate..

Defo mate, I think there will be a massive walk up though so get there early would be my advice. We 're in the main stand tomoz, taking the missus on her annual trip to the old lady . Would take her more but I don't want to spoil her too much ;)

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02 Aug 2014 10:13:19
Brendan galloway has signed on a five year deal from mk dons

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Great news. Hopefully a future star. Get Hennen in now and 2 first team players and the window will of been a very, very good one (if we don't sell anyone)

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02 Aug 2014 09:49:48
Ed do you no what strikers bobys got his eye on? And who woukd you like to se brought in as back up for rom?

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{Ed025's Note - we have been watching sakho from metz for a while now fozza, i still like bony, but thats not likely now..

02 Aug 2014 07:57:02
Really annoys me when professional players on mega money start playing their silly 'mind games'.
These Jimmy Mac stories have come from him and him alone, comments this week when asked where his future lay.
'We'll have to see'.
What the bloody hell does that mean lad?

Hopefully RM has had him in and told him to, 'Shut up or ship out'.
Sorry but just in a week of so much positivity we can do without this distraction.
If he wants to progress in his career he stays, if he just wants more cash go do a Fellani (that really helped his career!).

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02 Aug 2014 09:51:18
I just can't see this happening.

Every player Bobby has sold has been a Moyes signing, Felaini big Vic and Jelavic for instance. He was desperate to get JMc

We paid top dollar for him and has completed just one season.

We have a promise from Bobby that we will only strengthen the squad so that we can compete on 4 fronts not the three we had last season.

I really don't think that the interview (which was a bit tongue in cheek for me) should have any of us worried given what we have achieved in the transfer Windows since Bobby took charge.

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He gives an answer many players give and fans thing he's giving a transfer request in, get over it, he didn't do it at Wigan when they were relegated yet you think he wants to do it now

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I agree Toffee. I took Jimmy Mac's comments as being light hearted last week. I believe he wants to stay where he is. He knows Roberto from two clubs now and will surely be mindful of the way the Mancs hounded both Moyes and Fellaini last season. Old Trafford would surely be the last place any Everton player should be considering jumping ship to. The grass is rarely greener?

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I agree with Mushy. He shouldn't of said it. When asked the question he should of said "i"m not interested in a move I'm happy here " That's alls he had to do but he never. "We'll see what happens"?? What is all that about. Maybe he's been naive but Martinez needs to give him a right rollicking for saying it. It was a stupid thing to say.

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02 Aug 2014 11:40:17
And then again the press as usual are deliberatly misinterpreting his comments to build a story with no real foundation!
Remember start of this season RM stated that no one needed to be sold to fund new players.
Get a grip guys!

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Just feel if he is talking to the press he should have had professional training on how to respond to 'trip up questions' to avoid such a gaff or use the usual, 'no comment'.

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No Wakka, no one needs to be sold mate, but if a player makes noises that he wants to leave he'll be sold mate simple as that. I don't think if he's sold it'll be the clubs doing more the player pushing. That's my take on it anyway mate.

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02 Aug 2014 07:47:50
I have to ask, why the worry about mccarthy? Has he come out and said he is leaving? Did he say he's flattered by interest from Man Utd? So what? So did baines, doesn't mean anything, he's a very likeable and well spoken lad who loves what he is doing, whether its itk people saying arsenal or united (cant go to both, somebody, likely both, messed up there) are getting him or just people who have 'heard things' (in other words trying to make the rumour seem genuine), rm clearly loves him, jimmy knows we love him, got his nephew in everton kits, goes mental when we score and plays his best whether its city or stevenage, never slacks and doesn't stop working for the team, until I hear him specifically say he is leaving or rm say he is going, this 'rumour' is the biggest load of bull since coleman was in 'very advanced talks' with arsenal, he's going nowhere

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{Ed025's Note - i agree swan, these journalists (loosely termed) just pick a name from thin air when they see a weakness in a so called big team, and immediately link them with the best player for that position!...not thinking for one minute that the player might not want to go there, i hope JMc looks at the likes of fellaini, moyes etc, and realizes that the grass is not always greener, not that i believe a word of it anyway mate..

Yes but he should come out an ssy i'm already playing for one of the big clubs and i'm happy. Not sayin o I don't no were my futer lies

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{Ed025's Note - maybe he thinks there is no need to comment on things that are just pie in the sky, and have no basis of truth shakey..

This subject is quite ridiculous. The story broke originally in that well known Irish journal "The Independant". In the article, McCarthy was asked a series of questions including how he ended up at Everton. Apparently there was interest from Spurs but they would not come up with the 13 million that the Wigan chairman valued him at. One of the questions revolved around interest from Man Utd. The boy only answered by saying he was flattered and we would see what the future brought. The poor guy has to be careful he doesn't offend Manchester United by saying something insulting whilst at the same time showing he is happy at Goodison. The restof the article clearly shows he is very happy at Goodison. To compound the situation, the headline read, "McCarthy open to future Manchester United move." If anyone reads the whole article, they will see that this is not what McCarthy was hinting at. The whole problem was then magnified when the "Evening Standard" took the article word for word and used it with the same headline. I suggest that McCarthy was at home and was answering questions which were aimed at getting a certain response that could generate a story. That has happened.

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{Ed025's Note - good info that degs..cheers mate..

Put whatever spin on it you want he should not of went on about how great a club they were, how flattered he was then finish it off with "we will see what happens" full stop. I'm furious with him over it.

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02 Aug 2014 11:44:22
Agree with almost all of that Degsy apart from one thing. Why does he have to be careful not to offend Man Utd? He shouldn't worry about them one bit. Whilst I think this is just lazy journalism, yet again, I believe he would be daft to move to a club who's fan base is steeped in arrogance. That lot wouldn't appreciate his talents in the way that we do. He only has to look at the treatment the wig got from the fans

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Why are you saying "put whatever spin you want on it?" I am only reporting plain facts. Look it up on google. Both identical reports ask a series of questions about a lot of things. He did not "go on" about what a great club they are/were. He just said what all footballers do. That he was extremely happy and who knows what the future will bring? There was no hint what so ever from him that he wanted or was even considering a move to them. He was doing what footballers do these days.being polite. The journalist then took that info and used it as a headline."James McCarthy pleased with Manchester United interest!" When asked about Man Utd's interest, McCarthy states, "If a club like Man U are interested you are obviously doing something right." Please do tell me where that hints that he is unhappy or trying to make a move? I really can't see it. I am also getting to the point where I am getting peed off with reporting facts and getting constant barracking for it. Guys, I only try and report facts and some seem to then make it a witch hunt about my comments. If you want, I will stop posting things.

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Degsy, nobody is making anything a witch hunt. You have said what you think about what he said and I and others have said what we make of it. It's called having different opinions matey. It doesn't make mine , yours or anyone else's for that matter right or wrong it's just a different opinion on what he said and whether he should or shouldn't of said it. Why does hd have to be polite to man u, why should he care about what they think? He should of said "yes it's flattering being linked but I'm happy at Everton and not interested in a move ANYWHERE" that is my opinion mate. You haven't posted anything as fact other than what he said and that is open to interpretation and people will interpret it how they see it. It doesn't mean anyones ganging up on you it's just a difference of opinion. We all have one. Mine and I take it Mushys are that he should never of said what he did, yours is he was only being polite and that's fine, I accept and respect your opinion mate but I have a different one to you on this and I am just expressing it. Why is that so hard to understand.

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Mushy sorry about throwing your name in there mate I thought this was in your thread about Mcarthey it's in Swans. Again apologies for that err freudian slip :/

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Ok Pb2. I get what you are saying.but all I did was print word for word bits of the article. I never put any spin on it. I repeated McCarthy's words. You should have a look at it and read it in full. It really is lazy journalism like some other posters have said. No where in it does McCarthy say or hint that he would like to move anywhere. He politely answers some questions and the journalist takes one of the answers. "If a club like Manchester United are interested, you are doing a good job. We will see what happens." All through the interview, he states how he wants to add goals to his game. How he wants Everton to get in Champions League. How he is pleased to be at Goodison etc. Yet the journalist puts to the article the headline.McCarthy almost joined Tottenham and is pleased with Manchester United interest. I see it that he is pleased because he is doing things right. otherwise they would not be interested. let's drop this one mate. No hard feelings. Of course there could be other sources for the rumours? I cannot find any evidence of any other rumours other than this Irish Daily. Enough said.

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I meant to add. The reason he has to be polite to Manchester United is because that's how we are at Everton. We do not slag off other clubs, we show them respect.even if they have behaved badly in the past. I am sure you know that anyway, but I meant to put it in my last post.

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That's fine Degsy mate, I totally get where you're coming from with what you're saying and it's quite possible you're right as well mate it's just that I feel he was very naive to say the words "we'll see what happens" I read the article on sly sports and it wasn't as complete as what you're saying, if you read the sky article you will see where I'm coming from. Point is no matter how you try and explain it to me I think he was wrong to say the "we'll see what happens" line that 's what I meant by putting spin on it I just meant you wasn't going to change my mind. Maybe it was a wrong choice of phrase to use but I honestly meant no offence by it. Maybe Mcarthey was being naive but he needs tutoring on how to conduct himself in interviews as imo he should not say stuff like that it leaves him wide open to interpretation. Degs, I promise I'm going to buy you a pint at the match this coming season to show you I have nothing against you mate. We just come from opposite ends of the spectrum I guess but I'm only ever voicing my opinion mate never scoffing at yours so please bear that in mind when I post.

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That's fine Pb2. I am happy with how we discuss things like this. I just get a bit touchy myself sometimes. I live down in Sunny Devon now and the last 5 years have meant fewer and fewer games, but I will be up sometime and a pint or two together sounds grand. I will post when I am up for the next one. I offered Swan a pint too a while back. Maybe we can have a meeting full of banter one day?

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I'd be glad and privalidged to buy you both a pint. I've got a season ticket so say the game and I'll see you there.

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02 Aug 2014 07:16:19
Put the McCarthy issue aside for a moment. He is a good player made better by Roberto. Besic can do his job. There are plenty of players out there Roberto can make better or revive their fortunes.

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02 Aug 2014 07:32:57
Pb2 pointed somethigg out a few days ago which made sense, barry and gibbo are similar and besic and mccarthy are similar, 2 pairs of midfielders for the added games, for me, after barkley, mccarthy is the one player we must not sell, yes martinez may get someone in to do his job, we need as many players as possible and selling him is not the answer, he should be kept at all costs, the squad is looking very good and settled, don't need to mess that up now

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The simple fact is we are now getting depth to our squad>>>

This is relatively new for us and a perfect opportunity for journalistic shortcuts

using stereotypical junk and tosh!

e.g. unsettled players at CL clubs are always moaning they need a game and don't know if they will be there after the next window bla bla .

Now where's that pinch of salt .

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02 Aug 2014 06:55:15
The post about Ronaldinho's wages has made me think:

The Premier league allowing wouldn't it be nice to kick out our shirt sponsors and punt for a sponsor covering an individual players shirt and paying their wages. Its so far off being allowed I admit but it would bring the smaller clubs closer to the ADIDAS NIKE sugar daddies.

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02 Aug 2014 03:41:47
I know contracts are not everything, but, as a matter of information, how long has McCarthy's contract still to run?

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