Everton Banter Archive December 02 2019

 

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02 Dec 2019 23:12:54
It's a great draw . for us. No I am sober! Look at the facts the tie is Saturday (although it could be put back to Sunday for tv) Liverpool play Sheff Utd THURSDAY. Because of their commitments they'll have to play a weakened team. (well slightly weaker! ) This could be our best chance to beat them at Anfield for 20 years. Cheer up lads don't be so pessimistic.

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03 Dec 2019 08:36:16
Love your optimism . Wouldn't it be great to knock them out, might put us on a cup run. You've converted me, I'm a believer.

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02 Dec 2019 22:42:03
Perfect for me would be Bielsa, Arteta as assistant with view to successor. Just can't see him with his principles, leaving Leeds. Would definitely get the players up or out.

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03 Dec 2019 07:55:13
Why would Arteta swap being City's number 2 to become the number 2 at Everton? If he leaves city it will only be to become the number 1 somewhere.

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02 Dec 2019 20:55:10
So my questions Ed002 are these?

Which trophy winning Football Manager would want come to this fallen giant of a club, knowing its a generation since we had a winning team? How could he be seduced? Money alone when they have already earned millions? What winners do we have in the support ranks, that could be relied upon to make a shift on the upward curve? If any one winning manager wanted to take on this poison chalice, it makes sense for a whole cupboard clear-out. Is this likely? This to make the cultural change to a winning mentality as easy as possible.

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{Ed002's Note - Coaches don't need to be seduced by history, but by the commitment of the club towards moving forward. Money is less of an issue particularly when assets can be sold to raise money - it is input to that process that coaches will care about. From my perspective the club has fallen where expected from my perspective. It needs a change of direction and a discussion with MB as to where he sees the club going. The imballance in the side remains.}

02 Dec 2019 19:20:08
Oh well Liverpool v Everton in the F A cup, never rains but it pours.

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02 Dec 2019 19:30:41
Your acting like we have already lost we need to lose this mentality.

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02 Dec 2019 19:30:47
If you wish to progress you have to beat what is in front of you.

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02 Dec 2019 19:37:18
Yeah right.

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02 Dec 2019 19:38:26
Gives us another chance to finally beat them šŸ˜‚.

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02 Dec 2019 20:18:42
Just an opportunity to do the treble on them for me.

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02 Dec 2019 20:19:49
Hopefully mate.

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02 Dec 2019 23:01:24
Hopefully we put a Mickey mouse team out. Let Everton have their moment they still won't win it.

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02 Dec 2019 19:19:00
Jesus christ Liverpool away in the cup. It just gets better and better.

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02 Dec 2019 19:31:58
Get Benitez in quick, what a boost that will be.

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02 Dec 2019 19:47:19
Am I happy with that Draw? - not one single bit however I doubt Klopp will be over the moon with that tie either. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļø.

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02 Dec 2019 16:23:18
Ed001, who would you think would be good appointment for blues and also could we attract a good manager like a Rafael Benitez?

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{Ed001's Note - I think Rafa would actually be quite keen, it would allow him to be with his family. Not sure his time with Liverpool would be forgotten by some though, football has become more tribal than it once was and that could be an issue.

The problem is, with no recent history of regular European football to point to, you are going to have to take a risk with an appointment and go with someone who is climbing the ladder so to speak. The two who I would look at would be ten Hag and Gallardo, but I am not sure either of those would be interested in the moving from where they are now to take the job.

You need someone who would fit Everton's profile though really. Someone who will get involved in the community, rather than just the best manager, you need the best fit. I would actually suggest Dyche, he gets that aspect of things. He also understands the need to spend on infrastructure and long term planning for the good of the club, over short term buying players for now. The only question mark is over his style of play, but would he play that way if he had Everton's players, rather than Burnley's?}

02 Dec 2019 17:00:50
coudnt agree more with any of them managers ed thanks for responce.

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{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..

02 Dec 2019 16:52:56
Brilliant stuff on Dyche Ed totally agree mate.

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{Ed001's Note - thanks mate. I have just always thought the managers that work best are ones that fit the club profile. Everton is a community club and not many managers/head coaches really get that any more. He does. It might not work, but he would try and fit Everton's ethos rather than just (like Koeman) ignore it.}

02 Dec 2019 17:13:53
Read about how he pretty much had/ has a hand in everything at Burnley from the bottom up and I was very impressed.

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{Ed001's Note - I like the fact that inspires his players as well. They really do love him, unlike so many other managers. The likes of Kovac, for example, was sacked due to the players turning on him. Whereas Dyche's players would walk through fire for him.}

03 Dec 2019 05:39:21
Some very good points Ed001. I like Dyche and don't know why he gets so much flack. He plays 2 up front which a lot of the critical posters on this site have been crying out for. Has a well organised defence and a midfield that works its socks off but has proved to be, this season at least, far more creative than our midfield whilst being less error prone and protects its defence if they do err. I agree with you he gets the Everton ethos better than other managers mentioned
Like the call for ten Hagg, less so for Gallardo as I know nothing about him and worry about the language issues and his lack of recent experience in Europe.
I don't want Moyes. Second time arounds never seem to work and it's not as if he won anything the first time nor has he done much since.
Howe hasn't done much to convince me he can organise us defensively and some of his/ Bournemouth signings have not been good Ibe and Solanco spring to mind
Pochetino would be my favorite but its simply not going to happen
Benitez was a good manager but his motivation has to be questioned after staying so long at Newcastle and then jetting off to China for the money

I'm not sure any of the above, except Moyes and Benitez, would come mid season. If that's the case I'd stay with Silva but if that untenable (which it probably is) I'd ask Unsy to do caretaker again until end of season when more candidates would be available or Unsy has proved himself

Whatever, it is a rubbishty position we find ourselves in. just hope the team puts in the shift they should put in every single week tomorrow and give us all a lift.

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02 Dec 2019 15:12:38
Just trying to play devils advocate here. If the three midfielders the club recently purchased had all been fit, how many of yesterday's midfield would have got a game?
Add to that Bernard who was playing well before his injury, and that gives you four players who probably would have been playing if fit.
I am not saying that Silva shouldn't go. But to be fair to the guy he doesn't have a lot of luck when it comes to key players being injured.

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{Ed001's Note - depends on the injuries, a lot of soft tissue injuries are caused by a lack of fitness and can be avoided through good training.}

02 Dec 2019 17:35:06
Donā€™t think any where soft tissue injuries, just bloody bad luck. Canā€™t believe in this day and age and with the facilities they have that fitness and poor training come into it. Players are monitored more now than they ever were in the past. Perhaps itā€™s that fine line between being fit and on the edge. Look at Gareth Bale, one of the fittest players around but gets a lot of injuries.

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{Ed001's Note - Bale? He is the worst you could have named as most of his injuries come from poor training and playing too much golf. Oh and playing golf while injured.

I am sorry but Marco Silva has a track record of poor training methods resulting in soft tissue injuries. It occurred at Watford and Hull, not sure why you think Everton will be any different.}

02 Dec 2019 18:44:40
I said the other day that as long as we have the Koeman spine (Keane, Schneids, DCL and Siggy) starting or coming off the bench, we will never come from behind or hold onto many leads.
Those lads show time and again that they have no heart or fight whoever the manager is.

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02 Dec 2019 20:05:59
Real Madrid poor training? Interesting. Still I suppose everything they print in the papers must be true.

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02 Dec 2019 23:43:26
I made this point on a post earlier - why are there so many injuries in training? There has to be some methods employed that just arenā€™t suitable for the demands on the players. It is something that is a concern, as is why we concede so late a lot of the time - a lack of fitness?

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02 Dec 2019 14:41:58
could be seen as mad but just m yopinion, the rafa appointmenet everyones going on about may be a mistake, personally think he's outdated in this league now and will struggle with us being a negative side. newcastle look a better side under bruce this season than they did under rafa, just think the league has surpassed him now.

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02 Dec 2019 15:01:34
Agree.

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02 Dec 2019 15:05:27
WBlue, finding a new manager that 'floats' the majorities ' boats' on here must be like cracking the 'enigma code' mate šŸ™„.

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02 Dec 2019 16:00:16
Posted the same thing about Rafa last week wblue, have no answers about who should be appointed but don't want him.

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02 Dec 2019 23:44:20
The only thing that will float everyoneā€™s boats is results!

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02 Dec 2019 13:27:32
Does anyone else think our problems rub deeper than the manager? Individual errors and beibg weak when under pressure has been symptematic of the club since the Martinez era, our players don't seem to be able to hold on/ withstand pressure towards the end of games. I just thought 3 at the back was a good move for the next few weeks and the players appeared to ve more settled, but again individual errors cost us. Was a cruel blow that winner though, it is just so Everton, we need a strong defensive performance to get anything from next few games.

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02 Dec 2019 13:55:35
Yes this is more than the manager I agree, these players tend to turn up unexpectedly and surprise the opposition (and fans) they gatecrashed the 'King Power' and almost pulled it off until the Foxes with the help of Marco's changing players
found a way to come out of the match with 3 points.

Marco has to bear a substantial amount of responsibility for this loss.

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02 Dec 2019 14:40:13
group of spineless players mate, wouldn't flinch if any of this crop left us and that's the problem there no attachment.

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02 Dec 2019 15:19:44
Some of the boys put in a really good shift yesterday even Siggy was closing down like a madman at times, for 98% of that game we kept a really good shape defensively. The two subs were needed DCL and Iwobi looked knackered and needed to be replaced. I know its not good enough but this week they were actually trying to win the game and played some positive stuff.

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02 Dec 2019 18:19:59
The 3 at the back worked until Leicester changed shape and went with 2 up top, that is when a tactical manager would have seen that we were being over run and reverted to a flat back 4 and add another body in the central midfield area to shore things up.

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04 Dec 2019 08:59:43
thought sigurdssons positional sense was terrible and wasnt doing the job he was asked, pressing like a mad man is great, if that's what your told to do, if your the 2 shielding a back three you can't press like a mad man, siggy done that therefore leaving tom exposed 9/ 10.

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Arsene Wenger

02 Dec 2019 12:40:10
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new manager profile about, Arsene Wenger

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02 Dec 2019 10:47:43
On reflection this morning I may have been over the top last evening. I wish to apologise if I caused offence. 'Bottle (or two) of supposed good wine'.

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02 Dec 2019 12:03:50
It's part of being a blue at the minute mate. We are all after the same thing and as we always do we will come together when they need us.

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02 Dec 2019 08:23:49
I'm ready to be berated for this but here goes.

For me Silva has to stay now. The moment to let him go was post Norwich, and to my mind the powers that be have made the decision to stick and should dam well stand by that decision and if it goes south then more than just Silva need to face the consequences.

What I don't want is speculation, and fan abuse week in week out. Sunday wasn't the result but it was better, and anyone who says otherwise is simply trying to turn the knife - which quite frankly is not needed at this point.

The only thing for me that would be better at this point than sacking Silva and getting someone else in, would be for us to buck the trend, stand by our man and for things to turn around. We have tried firing and re hiring over and over, and since I don't have any faith in us making the right appointment we may as well, as fans try and get behind what we've got!

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02 Dec 2019 12:09:55
Could be that the manager we want has not been available until now.

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02 Dec 2019 15:45:31
Yes, we played better yesterday than we have in a while but the change to formation that Silva went with second half put us under pressure and. as is usual for us, we crumbled. We've conceded four or five goals in injury time this year which is obviously not good enough. Is it a lack of fitness or is is due to the tweaks the manager makes mid-game?
You're right mate, the time to get rid was after the Norwich game but I don't think there is any going back for him right now, if we lose our next game then he has to walk, things aren't getting any better and we are dropping perilously close to the relegation zone. He looked like a man that had accepted his fate when their second goal was given yesterday, the board need to take a look at themselves for hanging Silva out to dry. He hasn't covered himself in glory during his tenure but, just as importantly, neither have the board. It's turned into a shocking mess mate.

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02 Dec 2019 08:21:49
I feel for Silva after Everton's defeat too Leicester, the defeat had nothing to do with him or his game plan, he cannot be responsible for individual errors that unfortunately resulted in us losing the match, harsh on all, all the players worked their stocks off and it's not fair to point any fingers to whom that made the mistakes 93 minutes is a long time to keep going especially when the midfield was down to its bare bones
I am now sure if Silva had the high quality players that is needed in his squad then he would be a very successful manager, the pressure he must be under must be unbearable. I hope he keeps his job until the end of the season, all of us on this forum have the knowledge of the game to know what we are desperate for, a Top Striker, Top Central defender and a top Creative midfield, the owners need to break the bank in January
I can't see by replacing Silva with a new manager will make the results any better the squad is the squad at this moment and they are working to their maximum just in certain positions not good enough.

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02 Dec 2019 09:44:20
Reality is we as fans accept these type of performances an say we didn't play bad but the truth is we did it was Leicester who played terrible but again a manager with a brain changes it an punishes us are team at the moment is shocking i get we have injury's but the hole club is one big circus act go an give rafa a offer he can't refuse
1 - he will attract top players
2 - he is one off the best tactical managers around
3 - he has a proven record / trophies
4 - he can has a plan b
Howe / moyes will just show how much we are going backwards + how badly run the club is
Also a striker and a 10 should be a must in January nothing up top an nothing in creating midfield this club needs to wake up its a joke.

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02 Dec 2019 10:13:31
What you are saying is Rafe will buy a new team? he would have to work with this squad of players, the questions for any manager could they do better than Silva with this squad, itā€™s clear to everyone that we donā€™t have the same quality as Liverpool, Leicester City, Arsenal Mancity Manunited but thatā€™s Brands job to put that right not Silvas.

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02 Dec 2019 10:14:12
Award for the longest sentence ever written goes to Evocallum.

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02 Dec 2019 10:50:20
Uran - you say the defeat had nothing to do with silva, however he was the one who made the substitutions and changed the shape leaving Leicester more space behind us for the to attack. He also brought on Schneiderlin.
It was a bitter blow the result as this was by far our best performance but to say the defeat is nothing to do with silva is ridiculous.

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02 Dec 2019 12:00:30
Can't see Rafa coming tbh. Would love it if he did. can't understand why Silva changed the formation and brought on the subs. His tactics were working well Up until then. Why Silva hasn't been sacked by now is beyond me. Liverpool fans are made up. Imagine if he was gone you would get a far better performance from the players esp. in a derby game. don't get it!

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02 Dec 2019 13:10:30
Agree with Gingerdan on this. Leicester break very fast and very close to Liverpool. IWOBI off and Schneids on let Leicester in behind us. If we had to take Iwobi off why not Bernard on? I/ we are not Managers so in reality we do not know what goes on. What seems obvious to us IE Schneiderlin constant sideways or back passing may not be what Silva sees or interprets. All I know is in 14 games we have lost 8 and most of those in other seasons we would have won.

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02 Dec 2019 17:07:28
Dammed if he does and Dammed if he doesnā€™t, he canā€™t win whatever actions he made.

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02 Dec 2019 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 2nd December 2019

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