Everton Banter Archive February 02 2016

02 Feb 2016 22:34:32
Thought I'd cheer people up.

Who we buying to replace Rom, Geri and Stones in the summer? .

{Ed025's Note - i think geri will defo stay and stones 50/50, i expect rom to leave swan and a decent big money replacement..well thats my thinking mate..

02 Feb 2016 22:53:37
Lescott, Nsogbia, Andy Carroll . Watch this space.

{Ed025's Note - or curly, larry and mo.. :)

02 Feb 2016 23:04:22
I wish I could see into the future like you Swan! I'd be loaded.

02 Feb 2016 23:07:16
I just don't see any staying ed, once Geri sees Rom and Stones leave he will want the same big wages and trophies, which we can't offer. Don't think Geri ever really wanted to come back, he just didn't have any better offers.

Rom definitely as he's ambitious and let's face it, deserves better than how we are doing.

Stones wants out regardless of how well he's played since then, big money in the summer.

No idea who to replace them with, suppose Martinez will say McGeady returning will be like a new signing, Kone to replace Rom and bring back Alcaraz. God it's a shame we wasted our chance with these good players.

{Ed025's Note - cheer up swan you never know, we might just get new owners who will invest massively, big name players..new stadium..top coach...then the 3 you mention could be begging to stay...never say never mate..

02 Feb 2016 23:13:13
Hahaha solider blue, can't see into the future but very likely imo all will leave, just wondering how people think we should cope when it comes.

02 Feb 2016 23:16:13
Yes, to be fair IF we get new owners, I will cheer up big time, I will be like Martinez, phenominal/ phenomenal this, incredible that. Just what we need, a new feeling around the club, something to ne excited about, I know people are split down the middle with the current board but I don't think there's any doubt we need something new.

02 Feb 2016 23:27:28
Firstly you don't blame Rom for leaving? He is only 22 the club broke the bank to get him here and out of that nightmare he was having at Chelsea he could at least give us another season to see if we can make champions league bloody hell he will only be 23,now Arteta I could understand as he wasn't getting any younger. Stones I don't really care if he goes he has shown a lack of interest, Geri I think he is only loving it here and only has great things to say about our club.

02 Feb 2016 23:37:43
Soz swan you deserved that. Love your posts you talk sense (sometimes) but let's see eh.

02 Feb 2016 23:56:56
To answer your original question. If we were to lose these players I'd like to see,

Bony
Shawcross
Marez

Bony will do what rom does inc the goals
Shawcross will defend and let mori bring it out
Marez is quality

We won't be any worse with these three and we'll have plenty left in the bank.

03 Feb 2016 00:35:09
First of all Swan you don't have the capability to cheer me up or do anything to my mood. To quote yourself 'that's a small club mentality' thinking they'll all leave 😂😂😂

In reality at least one will go imo. Del boy least likely. Hope to god none of them go. I honestly think we are on to something if we keep our best players and get a better manager.

Couldn't agree more with Stef the blue comments. Apart from I actually like Carroll when he's playing and not injured. Stef is totally right about Del boy he comes across that he has a love for Everton. He was only 18 when he was here first and got his first proper taste of exciting football.

We would have to start doing better to keep these players along with Barkley. Stef your right about Lukaku but sadly I don't think he see's it that way.

Would expect at the very least £100m for Lukaku and Stones. Even at that I'd rather keep them. Currently the only way possible to win something long term.

Toffee Ace makes good suggestions though. Apart from them players are playing at their peak probably. Imagine in 5 or 6 years what Lukaku, Stones, Del boy and Barkley would be like?

Absolutely brilliant and any team with them 4 in it in five or six years time would have to be winning something if the other 7 players are above average at all.

03 Feb 2016 00:52:51
Id go with bony, sergi roberto and one of our up and coming defenders. There'd still be left over dosh for a back up for Coleman and a new keeper. i'd even take a punt on dembele and Adama traore when villa go down. that's unless we have new owners and a massive cash injection.

02 Feb 2016 20:41:18
Rory Smith update on Facebook about the American Everton takeover group that have spent loads of money on fees, haven't pulled out yet so the deal to buy Everton is still there to be had.

goo.gl/KzO6iO

02 Feb 2016 21:40:02
We need something to give us a boost. Anyone told Roberto that our progress is currently leaving us 1 point ahead of 16th place.

02 Feb 2016 19:24:08
Well I can't believe people are actually agreeing with me now about McCarthy. His lack of goals. I have gone on and on about his and the midfielders lack of goals for a year now. But I will concentrate on McCarthy.
1. He is a brilliant athlete with an iron heart that keeps going until he can go no more.
2. At times it looks like a player from the opposition is about to breaak through and the one player who time and time again gets a last ditch tackle in is James McCarthy.
3. When he wins the ball or recieves it from a team mate, he is ok running with it but often opts for an easy pass or holds it upto bring Barry backinto the game.
4. He very rarely drives at defenders or opposition midfielders and consequently rarely creates goals nor scores them.
5. He is very rarely ahead of the ball when we are breaking so is not in position to help develop attacks.
Now that's my summary and if he was the only midfielder in the team to play like this, everything would be hunky dory (thanks David) . However, Barry, Besic and Cleverly all have slight tenancies to be players in this mould. Players like Pienaar, Osman, Cahill etc would put a shift in and defend, but also get ahead of the ball and link defence to attack using quickness of feet. Deulofeu does this as does Barkley. but both do not tackle nor know how to defend. so we have round pins in round holes and square pegs in square holes. but the players are only expert at one part of their gaame and that's why I think we are suffering. Howard is to blame for a few goals as are individuaal defenders. But these are the same defenders who were attracting attention from other teams. Stones in particular. Yes, I think we do not defend as a team anymore. rather we have very skillful attacking midfielders and an abundance of defending midfielders.

02 Feb 2016 19:40:57
*Clap* *Clap*.

02 Feb 2016 19:52:11
Degsy, that's pretty much spot on, however, I do think cleverly can play further forward as he has when out wide the problem is he tends to get picked when we have an injury so has not really been able to settle into a single position. I would like to see him tried in the 10 role so we can rest Barkley but I can't see that happening any time soon.

02 Feb 2016 21:09:15
Degsy so your saying basically McCarthy is a good player and his downfall is his contribution going forward. Like scoring and creating goals.

No one has disagreed with that. I suspect the reason McCarthy plays like this is simple. And its the same reason we are suffering defensively.

They are all under orders from Martinez. Do you not agree the reason we are suffering defensively is because of Martinez tactics and lack of quality defensive coaching.

The players simply must do as Martinez tells them. Otherwise they will be dropped by Martinez. Look how Cleverly changed towards the end of his last season at Villa.

He was much better when the the new manager came in and encouraged him to move forward more. Think he scored and set up a nice few in the last 10 games or so of that season.

I put that down to change of instructions from the management. Our team is underachieving I think everyone agrees with that.

Imho our defense is even underachieving far more than the team as a whole. Its really the defence that is underachieving for me.

Basically because of Martinez. My opinion, don't think it would be everyone's.

Now I'm not blaming Martinez for everything McCarthy does badly but do think McCarthy is under instructions on how to play and how to use the ball. Whether he agrees with it or not he has to do what he is told.

02 Feb 2016 21:56:26
Roy Keane played the same position he was a great tackler broke up the opposition play he could spread a pass but he was never pulling up trees in the opponents box

Some people just moan for the sake of it.

02 Feb 2016 22:30:52
Totally agree with that Blueliam. Keane was top class without the show boating. At his peak would of benefited pretty much any team in the world.

{Ed025's Note - great footballer NBTB...what a pity that as a human being he is a low life scum bag without morals..

03 Feb 2016 00:48:43
That's true Ed025. Long way from Naismith. But the point is Utd needed him. Like every successful team needs at least one of that type of player. As tough a player as you will get.

Loved him and Viera arguing in the tunnel that time. Adds to the passion and excitement of everything when the game is on.

03 Feb 2016 08:28:59
NBTB. thanks for your comments. Yes I am saying any team can have one work horse with a lack of natural ability going forwards. (and by the way I do not put Roy Keane in this category because he was brilliant going forwards) . I am adding that our squad seems to be getting filled with players of a similar profile. Barry, Besc and Cleverley also show signs of this. although I accept Cleverley has a bit more natural ability. If you look at the statistics of these players, through their careers, they have averaged about 1 goal a season each. Certainly none have averaged over 3. Barry is one of Maartinez's firt names on the teamsheet. So when McCarthy joins him, that's our spine of the team likely to score in probably 4 games a season. Add to this that neither are players who asssist very often. it highlights a problem. If RM includes Besic or Cleverly in the team. the problem is compunded. Swan I am not sure what your clap clap comment means? Sarcasm? Without getting too personal, remember telling me how getting rid of Anichebe was brilliant and Kone was a great signing. and I said it was bad business. You also told me Alcaraz was class for a free signing. I said he was slow and a plodder. I think you also said McGeady was a good signing too? But maybe I just imagined that one?

03 Feb 2016 08:29:59
alanthomo summed it up with his comment about all the gear but no idea.

03 Feb 2016 18:18:42
Only after seeing your comment there now Degsy. I'm liking your last 6 or 7 lines 😁.

02 Feb 2016 18:42:49
I have to laugh at swan giving out about Mc Carthy and saying he not Irish. We all know he was born in Scotland with Irish ancestors so entitled to play for Ireland and can call himself Irish if he wishes. Just the same as John Barnes (one of many) that played for England . On another note did u see T Henry reaction on sky when Martinez said pass back Barry was one of England's best midfielders - says it all really. If that best midfielder England have/ had there's no point in going to France for the Euros 😜.

02 Feb 2016 15:49:47
Niasse is wearing number 14.

02 Feb 2016 14:48:37
Just wanna put my take on McCarthy. So its a three way opinion rather than 2 way between Swan n NBTB, ohh make that 4 way, missed WorcesterEFC input.
McCarthy as Swan says doesn't score nor does he assist in goals but have to say that the one thing we are better at is our defence improves.

{Ed001's Note - as a neutral, I would say McCarthy works hard, covers a lot of ground, but lacks positional sense. His passing is ok, but lacks that incisive quality to provide the killer balls. His defending is ok, but his lack of positioning means he is often having to throw himself into challenges he shouldn't have to make. He doesn't block off passing lanes to force opponents back, he doesn't have the vision to see them, which can make him a bit of a headless chicken at times. Paired alongside someone like Barry, who will hold his position and cover the gaps, McCarthy works well, as he makes up for Barry's lack of mobility. Pair him alongside someone like Cleverley or Gibson and there are huge gaps for opponents to exploit. He is simply just not tactically or technically good enough on his own, but give him a quality partner, who can work with him and cover the gaps plus provide the passing, he is a useful player but not top class.}

02 Feb 2016 15:51:59
Whats your thoughts on Besic ed? I think he's a great combination on Barry's brain, McCarthy's workrate and aggression, Gibsons passing and Barkley's ability to go past people.

Not sure how other fans rate him though.

02 Feb 2016 15:31:43
I know where your coming from Ed001 but I wouldn't agree to the extent that you put it. Your talking about world class player standard, am I right? He's still only 24 or 25. I think he will improve greatly over the coming years and when he reaches his peak like Barry was when he was 28 - 32 he'll be a much better player.

Keane at Utd was much better in his late twenties. McCarthy still has plenty of time to grow and improve imho.

{Ed001's Note - I agree, he should become better, but I feel the areas of his game he needs to improve in particular, his positioning especially, are not ones Martinez does any kind of work on.}

02 Feb 2016 16:19:39
Besic will be better than McCarthy. Just my opinion.

02 Feb 2016 16:32:05
I really like Besic, and think he has the ability to be a really good player, his one weakness is to many injuries, yet every time he comes back from one he looks better!

02 Feb 2016 16:34:02
Most of the fans I know and myself love him! It's luke you said Swan he has the best qualities of all our other midfielders.

02 Feb 2016 17:59:35
Sorry lads I was supposed to say fans of other teams hence why I asked ed001 if he rates him, my wording jeez.

02 Feb 2016 18:38:47
If we could clone Mccarthys energy and work rate, with Gibsons vision and passing, what a player we would have.

02 Feb 2016 13:15:32
Hi Ed can we put a stop to all this bickering about James Mc Carthy he is a very good player and does not deserve all of this nonsense but to read some of the tripe below by certain posters is ridiculous let's get behind the team instead of slating them all the time, GuernseyBlue.

{Ed001's Note - so you want people to all agree or not bother posting? Wouldn't that completely negate the point of discussing things?}

02 Feb 2016 15:02:55
GuernseyBlue, mate you are looking at this through blinkers. The Team is suffering because of one man and his choices. I for one choose to criticise the source and you will notice yet again the Club have thrown us dogs a bone in the hope our complaints will go away. To resurrect our season we have to win our next 15 games but at the moment it is difficult to see where we are going to get the 11 points required to hit 40. The guys ambition is summed up by his comments after Carlisle, a second division side were beaten.

02 Feb 2016 15:46:33
I know where your coming from GuernseyBlue. Players and everyone do get too much stick here. Can get slightly depressing. A little more support and positive talk wouldn't go a miss.

02 Feb 2016 16:18:57
Totally agree GuernseyBlue. Ed it's not about everyone agreeing and not debating - people can criticise all they want if it's valid and constructive. If someone has a bad game or Martinez sets his defence up so we lose at home to Swansea then criticism is needed.

The point is that, taking McCarthy as an example, this is a player that has been injured for the past few weeks ( which has incidentally been our worst run of the season) and he has one game back. Which we win. In which he has a decent game. And this board is filled with criticism of him!

It's the sort of aimless criticism and expecting the players to play badly which is having an effect on the atmosphere at home this season.

You just feel at the moment that we could beat Newcastle 7-0 tomorrow and people would be screaming at Martinez for using the word "phenomenal" and at stones for going on a dribble when we were only 3-0 up.

Debate is so important, but GBs point is that let's just not aimlessly criticise which is only bound to have a negative impact. We are supposed to be supporters of this great club after all.

02 Feb 2016 16:43:39
Well said southern_toffee. Good stuff.

02 Feb 2016 18:12:11
Totally agree mate criticism is fine but not the rest of it, cheers GuernseyBlue.

02 Feb 2016 12:08:33
Everton takeover should be completed within the next 2 weeks by the Chinese consortium or the Americans.

02 Feb 2016 12:26:25
It was meant to be everyday this week now it's two weeks, I'm not listening to it. If it happens then it happens I hope it does but I ain't holding my breath.

02 Feb 2016 10:00:54
Your going to love this Blues, for those of you that have not yet read it, here is Niasse's quote about himself

"Niasse is strong, Niasse is tall. If nothing's going right, give Niasse the ball and he won't let you down. What other forwards can do, Niasse can do better. Other forwards in Russia have to work hard to become as good as me"

Ye got to love that for confidence.

02 Feb 2016 12:24:55
Agree murff he looks good hope he is mate shut a few people up. We are so close to being brilliant, and yet we are so crap. There is such a fine line and we always end up on the one we don't want.


I actually sound like rm there hahah.

02 Feb 2016 12:50:01
I'm glad to hear him say that Murf1000. He can certainly talk the talk. That's all fine as long as he can walk the walk.

02 Feb 2016 08:58:50
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Barcelona Presidents Refuse To Testify In Tax Case, Wolves Turned Down By Serie A Forward And More

02 Feb 2016 08:31:25
Like most people, I have been frustrated by our defensive quality, or rather lack of it, under Bobby. I feel we do have, on paper, a very good squad capable of doing great things. Bobby or a new boss, if he sacked, needs to organise them better and occasionally hoof the ball just to secure the points.
one positive about Bobby is he has said all along that every transfer window he aims to make the squad stronger and I feel he has been successful in this. Even this window none of the top players have left, brought in niasse and foulds and let naisy go. I just hope in the summer that he stays true and we fight off bids for our best players unless he feels he can get 2 or 3 in with the money he gets. I for one would like to see us keep rom, stones, ross, geri, etc for at least one more season to see just how far they can take us.

{Ed025's Note - so would i geoff..but i cant see it happening mate..

02 Feb 2016 09:58:56
Roberto talks the talk but up to now has not walked the walk, inexplicably to me with the so-called best Squad in seasons he has somehow contrived to drive us backwards. However I hope the board having shown faith and backing to him once again with a big money lay out have had the balls to tell him enough is enough and he had better start turning rhetoric and waffle into action or he is out the door come May.

02 Feb 2016 06:27:36
Anywho Eds it's been a pleasure! Cheers for all the info an will see yall in the summer! Fingers crossed we can pull a win streak out of our asses an get up the table! Peace out guys!

02 Feb 2016 01:52:31
My messages don't seem to be shown why is that.

{Ed007's Note - Who said that? Hello?