Everton Banter Archive January 02 2018

02 Jan 2018 23:37:40
Thank you for the posts below BobbyC. My opinion on Garbutt too. Just seems he is not deemed good enough.

P.S. you are a follower of the Cowpat Sid club or you are Cowpat Sid?

He is greatly missed on this site :-(.

03 Jan 2018 00:45:48
NBTB: as I understand it, Cowpat Sid appeared on the television show “Stars in Their Eyes”; after saying to the compère, “Tonight, I’m going to be Glenn Miller”, he walked through the doors and was never seen again ;-) Since then, he has become an almost-mystical figure on this forum.

Rumour has it that he was shot down over the English Channel. I don’t know if it was by one of the Eds flying a Messerschmitt - or some other Fokker ;-)
By the way, “The Cowpat Sid Appreciation and Memorial Society” is not a religious organisation - it is non-profit and non-prophet; the only article of faith is belief in Everton Football Club, whose Holy Trinity is Kendall. Ball and Harvey and whose Messiah was Alex Young ;-)

03 Jan 2018 09:15:52
awesome!

02 Jan 2018 21:26:51
To ed002
The deal with the Turks was struck at 25 million on Friday and yesterday they have come back to us to squeeze another 2 million out of us as they know we are desperate for a striker as I say you can't trust a Turk in business.

{Ed002's Note - No. I explained that two bids had been made but there was no agreement. It is a great pity, but hardly a surprise, to find yet another xenophobic. Perhaps reading what I said previously will make it much clearer.}

03 Jan 2018 08:53:01
it's called business we want the deal to be as cheap as possible Beskitas wants as much as they can squeeze out of Everton a compromise will be made between the two figures and I'm still confident the deal will go ahead.

03 Jan 2018 09:29:34
I don't know why people bother getting worked up about signings its totally out of our control and the media very rarely report accurately what's actually happening.

02 Jan 2018 20:22:43
I reckon that most fans not only like watching the "top" clubs with the "top" players competing at the elite level in completions like the Champions League, but also like knowing that whatever club they support at whatever level, it has a chance to be successful and advance though the "pyramid" league system and also to have a chance at a giant-killing in cup competitions. It's not an "either/ or" choice for those fans.
Aside from the "big" clubs wanting the money, what is the attraction (especially to the fans) of forming a closed-shop of "big" clubs and possibly removing (or at least diluting) the competitiveness and excitement that the current system (promotion, relegation, play-offs, cup giant-killings, etc. ) seems to offer us?

02 Jan 2018 22:00:30
Don’t really think most fans have any interest in the Champions league until it gets to the semi’s, and even then most fans are not interested. This is a mechanism for making money and is why they have leagues and not a straight knockout competition. Let’s face it, it’s not even just the “champions” of each league that play in it .

03 Jan 2018 09:26:43
As someone who has grown up with football to 60 years of age, I noticed something. When we were kids, most of us would choose a local team to support. One of the 3 Merseyside clubs were most likely within our region. Manchester kids supported one of their 2 clubs. Wherever kids lived they were the hardcore future supporters. When the Premier League was formed and Sky started chucking money at football, there was a change. In areas all over the country, kids supported whoever was successful at the time. So fans became more widespread. As that generation aged the money from kit sales and other merchandise grew, it allowed a so called top 4 to be established. Since then some investors have come in and tried to grow businesses in the form of football clubs. Each year as the Sky money increased and the top 6 became established, travel became cheaper and easier to the point Asians, Scandinavians and even the Cornish travel to matches (I now live in Cornwall) This means the need now is for a Moshiri man at any club hoping for long term growth and success. eg I can never see Leicester City winning the Premier League again. mind you. right now I can never see Everton winning anything again!

03 Jan 2018 09:36:24
I agree with you on that WB I also don't think the majority of fans watch the EL or CL even if its the semis or final unless they team support one of the teams in the mix.

02 Jan 2018 20:01:02
I find it interesting that the most capitalist nation (the United States of America) has professional sports where there is no promotion and relegation and where young talent is subject to an annual draft where the less successful clubs get first pick of that talent. Some sports also have salary caps to 'level the playing field'. Not the 'red in tooth and claw' capitalism one expects, although I accept that the wealthier established clubs do still tend to dominate and it's big corporations and billionaires who run the clubs.
Could a 'Pan-European League' go beyond just a 'no promotion or relegation' setup and look at a salary cap, rules on transfer spending, and suchlike. Otherwise, what's to stop a PSG or a ManCity using their wealth to dominate a 'Pan-European League'?

{Ed002's Note - No the Pan European League will look to cherry pick the best players and bring in the most money. The current model cannot be sustained. Is it right that mid table English sides should have so much more income than their counterparts on the continent? Would you want Everton to give that up? What makes you think PSG or MCFC would be involved.}

02 Jan 2018 20:37:27
Ed002: thanks for your reply - very interesting points you raise. Not sure about the mid-table and income poser. Why wouldn’t PSG and MCFC be founder members of a super-legend; would it be just former winners of the Champions League?

{Ed002's Note - It will be based on the “elite” sides that already meet regularly - and I would make no assumptions of those involved.}

02 Jan 2018 21:58:09
Ed002: thanks for the reply. I imagine that someone like you who does keep himself well-informed would have a good idea about who those “elite” clubs are. I imagine that the Premier League “top six” (MCFC, MUFC, CFC, LFC, AFC and THFC) would want (and some would expect) a seat at that top-table, but I wonder how the other European “top” clubs would view six English clubs being involved. That’s a flimsy assumption, which I agree shouldn’t be made, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

{Ed002's Note - There are only three English sides involved.}

03 Jan 2018 00:15:34
Ed002: thanks for the reply. It’ll be interesting to see how those clubs outside that “elite” three react and how the broadcasters react. It could be as tricky as Brexit for all concerned!

{Ed002's Note - I am not sure what you mean by "react" as such. The clubs will need to carry on in a restructured league. When the proposal for a breakaway goes ahead, there is every likelihood that the big money from television, sponsorship etc. would go with a breakaway league. It would completely rupture the operations of UEFA and I would expect it would require national associations like the FA to restructure their leagues. Nobody wants this but it is the eventual consequence I would expect. Initially it could be that there is a single 16 team league with 2 or 3 EPL teams making the initial plunge. If I had to speculate, I would think (1) you might eventually see something like five or six EPL teams leave for two-tier pan European league - but it won't be based on the UEFA rankings; (2) the Premier League would be disbanded as an organisation; (3) the FA would restructure in to two 20 team divisions with lower leagues regionalised as they were many years ago; (4) FIFA would ban all players from the breakaway teams from International football - perhaps rescinding that position to stop FIFA breaking up as well - they don't want further issues but the troubles are not going to go away. I could also see many teams lose their professional status.}

03 Jan 2018 16:13:00
Ed002: thanks for the detailed reply.

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

02 Jan 2018 11:14:30
I'm just wondering could we not of registered Garbutt for yesterday's game as Martina is doing his best but is not a LB.

{Ed002's Note - What?}

02 Jan 2018 11:39:04
sorry ED02 thought that was straight forward we have a player called Luke Garbutt who is 24 years old and currently plays for the U23s but Koeman did not register him as part of the squad I was wondering as we are struggling in that department as the registration opens on 1st Jan could we have not registered him for yesterday's game.

{Ed002's Note - The rules don't allow registering of players to play on January 1.}

02 Jan 2018 12:01:41
Previous posts had suggested that Garbutt could be added to our squad when the transfer window opened. I am guessing that BLUEY79 was asking if this is true Ed?

{Ed002's Note - Sure, but not to play on January 1. And not without removing someone else if a full squad has been named.}

02 Jan 2018 12:53:11
Yeah I wondered about that to. what are the rules on registration of players Ed? Are we allowed to register Luke Garbutt now with it being January?

{Ed002's Note - Sure, but the rules are very clear how long they need to be registered for before being available and the numbers of players in the squad.}

02 Jan 2018 14:07:13
cheers ED02 I wasn't sure whether that only applied to new signings I thought the rules might differ as he already employed by the club.

02 Jan 2018 15:28:36
Where is Cowpat Did when you need him. Have we room in our squad for Garbutt?

02 Jan 2018 15:51:01
how was silva able to play for Leicester on 1st of jan? i no not everton related but i remembered u saying new registrations couldn't play on the first so when i seen him play i was shocked.

02 Jan 2018 16:45:07
We will have NBTB if we drop one of the 145 No10s we registered.

02 Jan 2018 16:49:52
I’m sorry to say but if garbutt can’t get a game at the age of 24 he is not good enough, we need to give up on this one it would of happened by now, lots of promise but clearly not a prem player, I still don’t understand why he is still here.

{Ed002's Note - Answering a previous post, Silva's registration was made already. It just wasn't registered in time. To avoid an issue Leicester asked the PL to agree this in writing and they did.}

02 Jan 2018 18:33:34
I haven't seen anything from Garbutt to suggest he is premier league standard.

We need to buy someone for the position not a stop gap for me.

02 Jan 2018 20:36:50
I haven't seen anything from Martina to suggest he is of a footballing standard, Garbutt has to be a better backup for Baines.

02 Jan 2018 19:58:37
thanks for clearing that one up ed mate, and the only lb we have at our club outside of Baines who could play now is Robinson but he is put on loan so I think we should buy cover for that position in the next week's or recall Robinson.

02 Jan 2018 21:01:48
NBTB: as a fellow member of the “Cowpat Sid Appreciation and Memorial Society”, I can inform you that we registered a full (that’s 25 players) aged-over-21 Premier League squad at the end of last Summer’s transfer window.
So, any additions this January would have to be balanced by omitting current squad members.
Interestingly, the squad included two youngsters - Gethin Jones (full back) and Sam Byrne (forward) - both of whom, I believe, have been out injured a lot of the time. Whether or not these two players will be in the revised January squad is a moot point - as is whether any previous absentees (such as Luke Garbutt) are added to it.
For the record, here’s the 25-player aged-over-21 squad:
Baines, Barkley, Besic, Bolasie, Byrne, Coleman, Funes Mori, Gueye, Jagielka, Jones G., Keane, Klaassen, Lennon, Martina, McCarthy, Mirallas, Niasse, PIckford, Ramirez, Robles, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Stekelenburg, and Williams A.
Players such as Holgate, Kenny, Davies, Baningime, Vlasic, Lookman, and Calvert-Lewin, are aged under 21 and therefore don’t have to be named in the full squad.

02 Jan 2018 22:21:50
NBTB: I imagine that the inclusion of Gethin Jones was to give additional cover for Coleman’s injury absence. The inclusion of Sam Byrne was probably because we didn’t sign a forward. Both inclusions seem to be last-minute decisions to fill all 25 squad places. How ironic that Jones and Byrne seem to have been injured for a lot of this season.
As for Garbutt, his exclusion is a mystery to many fans, but the coaching staff have obviously analysed his progress on-loan and his U23 performances and his day-today training, so have made their decision. Such a pity, as he looked promising a few years back, but seems not to have developed well enough.

03 Jan 2018 12:37:19
sad to see luke not getting the chance, but maybe come the next registration he may become available or we may look to seeing what the younger robinson can do who wouldn't require registration.

02 Jan 2018 10:50:29
It's getting to the point when am coming home or away from the match not being angry just disappointed. I want to see lookman an vlasic start more because they look good when they play. Plus I think bolase getting better every game and pickford etching gueye for players of the season (everton's) . And why does every manager pick Morgan I don't see what he brings to the team Sam was not my first choice but he's got my full backing
I hope the he brings a win on Friday
All the best
Coyb.

02 Jan 2018 12:04:26
I think just about every Blue asks the same Schneiderlin question after most games. Him and Gueye are both players who step in with tackles and then look for a simple pass. Neither offer an awful lot going forwards and they are both so similar there is no room for both. yet both are always there and we offer little going forwards.

02 Jan 2018 12:07:43
Good post billybob.

02 Jan 2018 16:46:27
Which is why I would prefer a 4-1-4-1 with Gueye as the only holding midfielder, you could have 2 wide men and accommodate Rooney and Sigs behind the striker. It also means the full backs we have, which are not attacking by nature can concentrate on defending and let the wingers take on the full backs.

02 Jan 2018 16:52:26
To be honest Morgan has been improving over last few matches, I also thought when McCarthy came on that was the same player when we first signed him and I believe he will be good in a midfield with rooney.

02 Jan 2018 18:27:08
Schneiderlin, slow to go forward (if at all) , likes to do a Wilkins, goes to ground to often, never seen him sprint back and worse of all lays the ball off often making the receiving player look bad.

02 Jan 2018 19:39:28
He's had enough games to put in a performance but he's shown nothing this season. How long do we go on waiting whilst Baningime who has been pretty good every time he's played gets shoved aside. If Barkley plays till the end of the season then someone has to step aside and is prefer it be Schneiderlin.

02 Jan 2018 08:39:16
any Eds heard of Tosun deal being in jeopardy.

{Ed002's Note - Please read the posts.}

02 Jan 2018 08:59:29
cheers Ed I must of missed them will look now.

02 Jan 2018 06:52:02
I am not saying I am against big Sam as he needs time every manager does and I don't expect us to play like Barcelona. But what concerns me at present is the tactics and desire especially in the last two games. he hasn't learned from our previous manager schnids has been rubbish all season and he continues to play and sigs is no winger but he still plays him there. We where doing fine in defence with holgate and williams but he started changing that. he played three defence midfielders at bournmouth why? And bolasie isn't ready and valsic isn't good enough yet but lookman and mirrallias aren't anywhere to be seen. But what annoys me there is no desire to attack because know one knows how too. we don't just need a striker we need a plan on how we play and keep players in there best positions. Happy New year everyone.

02 Jan 2018 03:04:57
I have know idea weather the inpass over this turkish player has anthing to do with Bill kenwright, however it does seem generaly understood that he has been involved in the discussions when it comes to purchase players.
This, I strongly suspect, is why our recrutment is such a dog and pony show.

02 Jan 2018 07:04:20
looks like we're up to our old tricks if the rags are to be believed.
the boys at the top like to haggle.
would not surprise me if we get no one in this window.

02 Jan 2018 21:28:16
My understanding from what I have read it's Besiktas that are the problem. We made an offer, it was accepted then when they couldn't get a replacement for the money they would receive they went back to Everton and asked for more money. Can't for the life of me see where that's Everton's fault.

{Ed002's Note - I explained the situation right from that first meeting at Chelsea. If you would rather I stopped explaining these things, then I am more than happy to.}

02 Jan 2018 02:02:33
Football fans are so fickle.
Many Evertonians had written off James McCarthy and there were boos when he came on as substitute - maybe not for him but rather for taking off Rooney - but hardly encouraging for McCarthy nevertheless.
He soon made a couple of excellent tackles, showed the drive and intensity that had been sadly lacking, and got the crowd going for ten minutes or so.
Whether he can stay fit - and be effective in our midfield - is a moot point, but at least he seems to know what's expected of him - both by the coaching staff and by the fans.