Everton Banter Archive October 02 2017

02 Oct 2017 21:03:57
I never cease to be surprised by how the reputation of people (be they football mangers, players, or whatever) are taken as gospel by so many people and how the actual achievements of people aren't honestly judged in the context of the situations they had to deal with. It's so easy to just work on old assumptions rather than take the trouble of honestly reevaluating.
At Everton, the complaints about the current team seem to be a lack of a target-man, no solidly organised defence, ponderous play rather than fast (and occasionally direct) football, and a lack of heart, belief and aggression. Amazing: all those things we bemoan the lack of at Everton are the very things that Allardyce is always criticised for!
He did what he had to do given the limited resources (and dire situations) at his various clubs and surely has to be considered comparatively successful. At Bolton, he did recruit some skilful players alongside the grafters and fighters. Imagine what he could do at Everton with the resources to use even better players in a properly organised and motivated team.
I. m not happy with RK at the moment, but think we need to see how things stand at the end of the year (prior to the January transfer window) and, if a change is then needed, I would not be unhappy with Allardyce.
As for the talk of Ancelotti, what would attract him to us at present and what would attract the players to Everton that he'd want if we're not Champions League regulars or genuine challengers for domestic trophies? He's used to managing established current "elite" clubs, which we could become if we get through the next few seasons unscathed and can get our new stadium and increased income, but we aren't in that group of clubs at this moment in time (despite all of our history) .

{Ed025's Note - in the end bobby its all about opinions here, you can make a case for sam and im sure some would agree, myself i see him as an egotistical liar and thief and a blight on english football, but thats as i say just an opinion mate..

02 Oct 2017 21:32:03
Ed025 - I can see your point about his personal shortcomings, BUT he is effective at managing football teams and his reputed football style is based on cliche rather than a proper look at what he did with the resources he had.
By the way, we’ve had a few scallies at our club over the years, so someone who (allegedly) took a backhander wouldn’t be our first - be it in the team or in the boardroom!

{Ed025's Note - your right mate but i just cant take to the guy..

02 Oct 2017 23:39:34
Has to go.

03 Oct 2017 07:14:53
The guy is a crook and up his own arse. Simple as that.

He is like Pulis in that he only gets the best out of teams when they are in trouble. When he's been at a club for a while he struggles to take them forward. As for the football he plays it's not my cup of tea. They both play utter dire uninspiring long ball thuggery football. Not for me.

02 Oct 2017 17:03:28
Evening Eds, is Ed002 okay? I haven't seen his posts or replies for ages.

{Ed025's Note - hes fine RIB but doing a lot of travelling at the moment mate..

02 Oct 2017 17:18:54
Thanks for that Ed, I do miss his unbelievable knowledge and insight and the witty put downs when he gets rubbed up the way.
He seems to do more travelling than Gloria Hunniford, hope he's getting some pleasure and leisure time and not just pain in the ass business travel where you don't get to see much of the country you're in.

{Ed025's Note - he does more flying than sparrows RIB, and if i told you the people he meets mate you would be astounded..

02 Oct 2017 17:26:03
I think you've mentioned that before, his connections are unbelievable; Ed002, international man of mystery.
Hope he hasn't booked with Ryan Air or Monarch or it might be quite a while before we hear from him again.

{Ed025's Note - love it mate..

02 Oct 2017 17:30:48
It's probably a good job he's not on here much atm. He wouldn't be able to cope with us all moaning about the manager and team.

Think he is Austin powers or Gianni infantino.

{Ed025's Note - they wish geoff.. :)

02 Oct 2017 18:09:00
Good post RIB mate, I was wondering after him myself.

02 Oct 2017 18:34:42
Actually as he has often informed us he is a Rodeo Clown, a man of mystery indeed. Hopefully he will be back soon.

02 Oct 2017 19:21:31
I think he's a peace envoy for the U. N. and is trying to sort out the mess between USA and N Korea.
I can just see Kim Jong-un's face when Ed002 calls him a knuckle dragging buffoon.

{Ed025's Note - or a gilfnard...tickled me that mate..

02 Oct 2017 20:19:12
He’s probably a flight attendant for a holiday charter airline. After dealing with a load of rude passengers, it must be a piece of cake dealing with the posters on this website ;-)

{Ed025's Note - maybe he was with monarch bobby..

02 Oct 2017 20:55:30
Glifnard, brilliant, I'd forgotten about that one. I had to search urban dictionary to find out what it meant. Think I'd reserve that one for Trump in the above scenario (or maybe Koeman in the current state of affairs at Everton)

02 Oct 2017 12:51:39
If it's the fault of the fans for the way we are playing tell you what we will all stay away and not bother turning up for the next game and see how we get on I for one will be staying at home for the next game we have already turned against our manager next it will be our chairman they way things are going.

03 Oct 2017 07:25:33
There's many skylark that shouldn't be allowed at the game. In Moyes last season when we lost only once at home the crowd was as bad then as it is now in some games.

It's not the fans fault but we have a part to play. If anyone was at the Wimbledon and Coventry games when were needed the most it was the fans that inspired the teams on those days. i'd take the fans on these days over the ones there now.

02 Oct 2017 11:26:03
Whilst I am not a Koeman fan as I feel that his managerial style and man management techniques are not in-keeping with the modern game, coupled with his tendancy to look everywhere else for reasons for our demise I would still not like us to become a sacking club.
I am though concerned by the comments of Mr Moshiri, who would appear to have been brainwashed by Koeman into having a David Moyes moment with the following comment "Today was the only unexpected loss. The four pre-qualifying Uefa games and two group games on Thursday haven't helped.
I can only assume from this comment that we were expected to lose the games that we have and what is the point in aiming for European qualification if you are then going to complain about it!
If the negativity and lack of belief is starting at the top then we truly are in a sorry state.

02 Oct 2017 12:39:09
While not agreeing with the words Moshiri used what else is he supposed to do? His backing of Koeman means nothing. A few more unexpected losses and the owner and board will have no option other than finding someone who can win games we are expected to win and maybe, heaven help us, win or draw those we are expected to lose.

02 Oct 2017 13:27:39
I would fully expect Moshiri to back the manager. What I would not expect is for Mooshiri to infer by his comment that defeats to Chelsea, Spurs, Man U and Atalanta are to be expected. This type of negative comment in the media is not acceptable at Everton FC and only shows a perceived lack of ambition and only serves to take the club backwards. We should go into every game regardless of the opposition believing that we can win. ( Difficult I know under the current management! ) .

02 Oct 2017 13:27:46
Koeman sounds like every manager out there at the top clubs. Jose does exactly the same, fergie done It, even managers like Zidane have had a go at players in public.

However, you can't do it all of the time and you need to also focus on the plus points more than the negatives.

He did do that aft÷r the game yesterday but I'm deaf at the moment and don't want to hear him talk at all. I'll have calmed down a bit after the international break.

02 Oct 2017 22:53:55
I expected Moshri to give him the dreaded vote of confidence but loses at Brighton and Arsenal plus Chelsea will alter that .
Had it come about much later in the season but holding on to Prem status I would say go for a experienced man BUT if we look to change say at the beginning of Dec I would go internal all the time as they don't have time to assess and already know the club inside out and the strengths of all the players from youth onwards.
They also have blue blood a vital ingredient.
Who took over from Shankly!
That's the way to go.

02 Oct 2017 09:44:37
shouldn't be down to us to get the players going for all them blaming 'atmosphere' load of tripe, we could have banners flares the lot and we'll still be unable to string a pass forward.

02 Oct 2017 13:44:19
wblue I totally agree exciting football creates atmosphere not tippy tappy sideways passing with non existent movement in the final third.

02 Oct 2017 13:33:52
It's a two way thing and if you go to the game then you should understand what people are saying.

The players affect the crowd but the crowd affects the players.

02 Oct 2017 14:51:55
obviously a good atmosphere helps, in this case I don't think anything would help at all, lost cuase on that goodison turf atm.