Everton Banter Archive September 02 2011

02 sep 2011 23:36:23
this transfer window must have made a big impact on our debt. combine the recent sales of arteta, yak, beckford along with vaughan and peinaar. the wages each of them where on not to mention sky sports money. we must be almost clear. now! close you eyes and imagine you just became a billionaire over night. would you buy yourself a large toy, like, say a football club, which needs half your money just to keep it going or would you buy a club you can put money into to make it successful in a short time with that same money you would have to use to make the other club simply stay afloat. surely we are now a more handsome club to invest in??

The club was 45m in the red and lossing 5m a year player sales raised 15m sky money etc goes to the running costs. After agent fees, players cuts etc. The club will have cleared about £12m off the debt. If I was a billionaire?

Would I pay to buy a club? Clear it's debts, invest a good chunk in new Players and a huge amount in developing the ground/building a new 1 or buy a club like Leeds were 40m on players would be more than enough to get them into the prem in a city with no rivals?

I personally would buy Everton. But only Everton fans would. The others would go for a team with a decent ground. Hence city owners buying them rather than the shower across the park.

We are doing the same as newcastle reducing the wages to get the club on a more even keel. the youngsters are not on big money and can be develpoed. im sure in january we will look to make a couple of shrewd signings but within a wage structure that doesnt put the clubs status under pressure.

If we can sell players and reduce wage and still get a top half finish this year i think surely some one will be interested in investing, i think the key to a invester would be that moyes was still in charge, so hopefully he stays after this season

02 Sep 2011 19:49:08
Im not sayin that were going to be worldbeaters this year, but just think I'm pretty sure the debt will've been cleared for one reason most likely were about to be bought or that next summer we are going to but big were evertonians we've seen the good and bad :) were gonna get regelated listen to yourselfs were 2 matches in with 3 points carry on that way we will have 57 points it's goona be a great season roll on next year :)

We will probably be steady this season again. I can see us getting 7th again, but that is not good enough for us blues, we want to see the club progressing and challenging for trophies. I must admit i like the sound of the new signings,i would like to see us recruit another striker in January {Ed025's Note - your right mate..we should be challenging for trophies..but we wont while this lot are running the show!..

Are u from this planet? Cleared 15m off the 45m because the bank forced kenwright due to the fact were losing 5m a year. But yer your right reduced the debt because were be bought. Obviously by a new owner that wanted a weaker squad.

Selling yak becks and mikky will save us 7 mill a year on wages so we shouldnt be running at a loss now... lets hope that makes us a more attractive prospect to any buyers out there

02 Sep 2011 19:09:09
Looks like a deal is on the mist with Arteta gone( best of look to him), Drenthe is on loan and Stracqualursi, come on moyes'ey, (should be around 5 mil for them both, which leaves 5 mil) PUT IN A BID FOR BOTH OF THEM!! Plus, we could do with getting Schmeichel as cover for Howard, and maybe even attempt to get that Bojan lad from Barca, looks like talent there. COYB

Madtoffee97

Bojan has signed with Roma until 2013 and drenthe is on loan with a view to sign on a free

02 Sep 2011 17:06:31
Hopefully just Yobo to go now, unless we get any whopping bids for Heitinga or Billy. That'd be a huge 11m shaved off the wage bill. At least with Arteta's 75k off the wage bill, that automatically brings down the amount that other greedy b**tards at the club will think they're entitled to be matching. {Ed025's Note - you forgot about victor....

I agree ed, i don't think victor has a future at goodison, he would be better off dropping down to the championship {Ed025's Note - your right..

Yobo and vic to hopefully be offloaded in january with a new striker being brought in. {Ed025's Note - that would work for me..

Why doesnt moyes try to loan out vic to a championship club, I think it may do him the world of good
and if he impresses, you never know, they might buy him! {Ed025's Note - once they see him play...they wont..

Turkish window still open until 5th so chance yobo can still be sold!

02 Sep 2011 15:32:13
I'm stoked about our new signings. My plan for the Villa game would be:
-----------------Howard-------------------

Hibbert--Disitin--Jags--Baines

Barkley----Fellaini----Osman----Drenthe

Denis-----Vellios

Subs: Mucha, Cahill, Coleman, Nev, Saha, Johnny, Rodwell

Plan: Formation is attacking and very cross related with very tall strikers. We have a full on go at them in the first half with hopefull Denis scoring his first to build his confidence.
Once ahead and playing well i would bring on Cahill for Vellios, switch to 4-5-1. Denis can hold is own and Cahill's terrier approach would be a breathe of fresh air.
Second sub would be Coleman for Barkley, not too late not too early, we can't rush Coleman and can't exhaust Barkley. that would mean fresh pace and creativity down the right.
Third sub needs to be Saha (although i would like to bring on Nev for Hibbert, my reason for putting Hibbert ahead is to show Nev that he needs to step up, he's been very poor)
Means Denis gets a break and Saha gets game time. if you think this is too risky we could always start with Denis and Saha then bring on Vellios

Steve EFC (Twitter: @SteveBiggert)

It will be great to go with an attacking formation and 4-4-2 with denis and velios up front. We need to try something different to spring the team into life {Ed025's Note - i agree mate...we just need to convince david!..

I can't see saha not starting if he is fit {Ed025's Note - saha and denis to start for me..

I think he willplay hibbert and vic upfront {Ed025's Note - i hope not..

Although I am a Moyes fan I can see us starting 4-5-1 which is negative and not starting any new signings. The team i think Moyes will pick:
Howard
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Barkley Fellaini Cahill Heitinga Osman
Saha

Hibberts probably better than vic up front

02 Sep 2011 15:22:22
Get off Rodwells back! hes a kid for god sake. the lad has got 15 years of football ahead. Confidence is obviously low lets get behind the boys! gooodisons atmosphere is getting worse by the day. Id love to see the place all fired up and aggressive each game, and thats what we need to lift the team. its crazy how much fan power can lift a team but nobody seems to realise that.

We need to create a bear pit atmosphere like there was against city last season. There is no better ground than goodison when the place is rocking, but the players have to go out on the pitch and perform to ignite the crowd.

Rodders will come good after a run of matches, he has a great talent and this could be his season

Totally agree about the atmosphere on match day. The lads need the fans more than ever. The old lady rocks better than any other ground in the premier league. I for one cant wait for nxt saturday against villa! COYB!

Two winnable home games to come, i can see us coming in the top half if we don't get too many injuries

Rodwell wud be a topclass centre half {Ed025's Note - we should play him there...because at the moment...hes not up to midfield..

02 Sep 2011 12:37:58
---fox---

Worst possible outcome to the transfer window we wer short creativity with Arteta we'll be a hundred times worse now. We'll struggle to stay up............ Where are the goals going to come from.

Where, were the goals comin from anyway? We've now got a new striker in Denis and a new pacey and creative out and out winger in Drenthe. Losing Arteta and Beckford isnt the end of the world! We already have players in Barkley, Coleman, Baines, Ossie and now Drenthe who can fill the creative void left by Mikel.

Arteta has been woeful for a while now, we have players who can take over the creative roll (not like arteta has been that creative recently) osman,barkley even bily! Struggle to stay up!? Dont talk wet!

Totally agree, last 18 months he hasnt been great and we are overloaded in centre mid, we can fill the gap no prob

Arteta has not been creating anything for a while anyway - his departure means that others may now step up into that role - fingers crossed

I think 7th again is a realistic position. Arteta has not made an impact for a while and the likes of barkley and drenthe will make a real impression this season

Arteta scores one penalty and suddenly he was our source of goals? Get real. I'm optimistic about our signings and Moyes has cut the debt in half in the space of a year. Good things ahead.

Steve EFC (Twitter: @SteveBiggert)

02 Sep 2011 09:33:06
Can't understand why we're not looking at free agents, there are some quality players out there who are unattached e.g. Vicente. I think he would be a good addition to a small squad. What you think ed? {Ed001's Note - a lot depends on wage demands for one, for two Vicente has suffered a lot of injuries and would be competing with Drenthe for the left wing position. Is an injury prone left winger really needed?}

Vicente plays for brighton

Hasn't actually signed for them yet.

02 Sep 2011 00:45:59
It will be interesting to see who starts up front against villa. Hopefully we will go 4-4-2 with the new lad next to saha if hes fit. Hopefully we will have coleman back for the game as well.

Billy Up front...

We definitely need to try something different against villa. I hope we start with the 2 signings and give billy a chance in a more central role