Everton Banter Archive April 30 2016

30 Apr 2016 21:14:51
I fear for Everton football club. Not because of the manager or the board - because of the fans. It is embarrassing - Hideous, odious and embarrassing. Especially given the poignancy and emotion of the tribute the club gave to the families of the 96, I thought it was extremely disrespectful and lacked class. I am of a generation that remembers Everton always being that little bit different, a little bit aloof and a class apart. Nowadays, Everton fans act with no class and I'm afraid the scourge of the skysports generation has caught up with our club.

People need to remember this - we do not own Everton football club. We have no say in how the club is run and have no right to influence to decisions that affect the running of the club. People who pay money to watch the club do so of their own choice and can just as easy stop doing so, but that doesn't give them the right to embarrass the entire football club by acting like spilt children. Protests, banners and now planes . It's pathetic.

Ok Martinez is not very good at his job and Everton should probably think about getting someone else to do it - but who exactly? So sack Bobby at the behest of the (few) fans that are putting unnecessary pressure in the club and dragging the name of Everton through the mud and then what? Get who? I'm sure bill kenwright isn't daft - millionaires like him tend to have that common denominator- and neither is Moshiri, they will be doing whatever they need to do to ensure the progress of the club and I'm as sure as shite in an arsehole that they won't be consulting the "fans" about their business or publicly stating the ****ing obvious.

So, leave the running of the club to those who errrrr, run the club and stick to eating pies, phoning football phone ins and voicing your contemptible disgust in Internet forum such as these.

30 Apr 2016 21:33:50
Well said pedro.

{Ed025's Note - one of the best posts i have seen on these pages alan imo..

30 Apr 2016 21:32:54
I'm not exactly happy with the teams performance but Pedromez. Take a bow.

{Ed025's Note - take a bow indeed gibbo..

30 Apr 2016 21:54:12
Many good points raised there . I think the message you are trying to convey is be careful of what you wish for. something else that dawned on me is that EFC has been a well run club. Whilst the club has not had the same financial clout as Lpool, city, Chelsea etc they have been competitive for the last 15years or so. in terms that they have made some reasonable expenditures, debt has reduced, on their day the team have been a match for anyone. Yes the club has not won silverware but given the financial environment they have been battling in, it's been quite an achievement maintaining that level of competitiveness. Although my opinion is that we need a new manager. I guess I have a lot of faith in what Bill kenwright has achieved in his tenure. even with the conflicts he is known to have had in the boardroom. It seems to me that he has always done the right thing (I know he's a divisive figure and others will disagree with this) but whatever decision he makes re:manager I know that it will be based upon rationale he firmly believes in. I'd rather that than a Mike Ashley or Randy Learner type chairman. who in their comparatively shorter tenures have made numerous blunders. one after the other.

{Ed025's Note - this is the night for posts it looks like, another cracker from jcl..

30 Apr 2016 22:02:56
Fully agree pedro. Was only a small amount but gave the papers a story.

30 Apr 2016 22:20:28
Spot on JCL. Bill has done a great job - under some quite stiff opposition too. But yes, we do need another manager - it has to be right though and the right person.

30 Apr 2016 22:21:13
So people shouldn't protest after 2 years of mediocrity because it isn't "the Everton Way"? People shoudnt protest the lack of transparency shown by the club, even on the smallest things, because we're above that? isn't like we've lost one home game all season and we're calling for his head; we have the second worst home record in the entire continent, and our away one isn't anything to write home about. People have a right to be heard, and that's exactly what they did today.

To some, finishing in the bottom half for the last 2 seasons with a couple of semi-finals with a manager who lives by the mantra of style over substance surely deserve better. Shoudnt winning be the real Everton way?

Like you, Pedro, I worry about Everton Football Club. Not because of the fans, but where it matters, on the football pitch, where its been sub-standard for a while. Those protesting aren't looking for drastic changes to the structure of the club, far from it, just to cut ties with a manager who has tried his best, but saddly fell short.

30 Apr 2016 22:49:56
Well not just as Everton supporters but as football supporters in general, we do have a right to have our say. Without fans there wouldn't be a game, these fans that you are slating are most likely the fans that pay thousands of pounds and travel all over the county each season to watch the dross that has been served up this season. Not saying that some of the protests are right but to say fans don't have a right to voice their opinion is just ignorant. Just because these chairman are millionaires it doesn't make them right will all the decisions they make. I like kenright but Martinez should have been gone last Monday and not a small minority of fans think this.

30 Apr 2016 23:03:17
Positive posts. Is it because we won haha only joking. Pedro that post is spot on.

30 Apr 2016 22:50:36
Totally agree with all above. Special mention for Jcl comparing the great BK to other chairmen at other clubs. Certainly puts things into perspective. Always have and always will admire BK. We don't know how lucky we've had it with him. People take him for granted now he's been here so long.

01 May 2016 00:37:44
Last time I posted on here you only tagged it at the bottom, but I found myself surfing these sites more than ever lately due to what's going on in my favourite club. Due to this I see myself unable to resist replying to the OP, to the extent that I had to register myself to address what I think a terrible attack on thousands of supporters and not just the so called 'few'

Id like to start with totally agreeing with you on the excellent show of support from the club for the families of the 96, many of us are scouses were effected by these events, not all families are only blues or reds.

That aside now. I also fear for 'our' football club, Everton. But for me it is because of the manager and the board. If the board decide to keep Martinez in his position, i feel my beloved club will end up plying its trade in the lower leagues, I base my opinion on the fact that Martiez's past results, not just at us but at Wigan, show nothing but decline, and his ideals as he has said will not change! I also do not see how anyone involved in a peaceful protest at the games end or flying a plane over GP connection with showing respect to the families and the clubs support of justice being served for the 96, two different issues at two different times. People go on about class 'the Everton way' when Everton cut a mans back open that you could nearly see his spine or the fact everton were one of the most feared supporters to come across when home or away, is that the class you talk about? Come on get real, before them days nearly all football fans were the same, up till the premier league and sky sports, major coverage of football, money became king, certain teams excelled. Then there's social media that followed, yes knowledge is now power and everyone can be a keyboard warrior and voice there concerns, 20/ 30 years ago it was to your mates in the pub or at work, now thousands can witness your rant (just to let it be known, I use no social media at all) .

Yes, we don't own Everton football club, we don't have a say in how the club is run, but we have every right to have our say, a say that might influence decisions, why? Because Everton football club is a product and like every product it needs a consumer, the fans. You say just don't pay or go anymore, it's just not that simple! if everyone starts walking away and not paying then that would mean the product is no good, if no one is buying the product then that product will just cease to exsist, disappear! The problem with this product is its not just some drink, or a new smelly, it's a product that inbred into evertonians, it's a way of life, often rooted in generations of evertonians, passed on from father to son who had it passed on to them by thier farther. Unfortunately we can not just pick up the phone and say 'hey bill, that managers not working out old boy, think we might need a change'. Unfortunately the only way to have ones voice heard is in writing, and I very much dobt many if any emails sent to BK ever really cross his eyes. So 'peaceful' protests, banners and planes, if people wish to spend their money that way, is a show of passion for the product they love and want to stay in the place it is and progress to be the best it can be!

You also say he is no good and I gather you also want change. Who? Well in the board we trust to look at who is available, who is getting their respective team playing good all round football and getting results, the right results, and then see if they are interested in taking over at 'our' great club. I would gather then it would be like any job, have so many come for interview and the best on the day gets the job. You mention sacking him because of the 'few fans', never mind the thousands on the Internet, thousands in the pubs before and after the games, thousands complaining on the stand, every coach going to Wembley last week had the talk of ridding the club of Martinez, I'm afraid there is a lot more than a 'few'.
I don't think BK is daft, he has done a great job, he has learnt to run a football club with no previous knowledge, IMO he is keeping a slight hold to make sure he is making the right decision in who takes over, keeping the saftey of 'our' beloved club.
Yes they will be working to progress the club, ed02 gave an excellent insight as to what has/ is going on behind the scenes, it's just unfortunate that Moshiri has invested at a time when everyone has had enough of the crap football, the lack of addressing things on the field, basically everything below board level that we see, worst of all the crap RM spouts off. I believe he is the nice man everyone says he is, but, if it looks like sh*t, smells like sh*t, it usually is sh*t. It will be unwanted attention at a time when the club are looking to change the whole dynamics of Everton football club, but it's unfortunatly just a coincidence that both have come round at once, typical Everton. It's a very awkward situation, yes they won't consult the fans, or state the obvious, but with so much change expected at 'our' club it's very hard to sit back and not be curious as to where we are going. And many hope for some news to calm the storm brewing.

Your final sentance is In its own way is embarrassing. Yes we will have to put our faith in those running the club. But what's with this pie crap? And then you call everyone for doing exactly what you have just done, strange?

End note about the board and pies. If let's say the fans (consumer) stopped buying the cheese pies (product) for the season 2015/ 2016, you can guarantee the board would not have cheese pies on sale for the 2016/ 2017 season. Yes I do go the game, season ticket lower GS, no I don't eat cheese pies and hope for the curry to return!

01 May 2016 01:29:12
Behind that 100%, BeStyrne. Best post I've seen on here.

01 May 2016 08:32:09
Staging a retest is fine. Voicing displeasure is fine. During the 90 minutes of a football match is not the time to do it.

I remember the matches against Wimbledon and Coventry when our club needed us most. On those days It wasn't the team or tactics that got us through those games it was an impassioned crowd that sang at the top its lungs cheered with delirium and didn't stop from minute one to 90.

There is a poison running through our club at the moment and it has hindered all season at home. It's been going on for the last 6/ 7 years and won't be quelled until we win a trophy.

I want Martinez out as well but for me supporting the team is more important in those 90 minutes. Those that want to moan, boo and get themselves wound up before a ball has been kicked are adding more pressure to the players than on Martinez. Until you start supporting your team when they need you, you will never know success.

01 May 2016 08:59:26
BeStyrne, it is not an attack on thousands of supporters at all, far from it. It is an attack directly and simply on the few that chose to act in the way they did yesterday and, as is always the case, the minority showed the club in a really bad and embarrassing light.

I am in no way disagreeing with the thousand of people - who like me - take to the Internet to vent their spleen at the current situation. So I don't see how you interpreted it that way? I'm talking pure and simple about the conduct of fans who fly planes over a club - pathetic behaviour and I stand by my post 100% And yes, disrespectful and shameful that they would chose to do that after the earlier tribute.

One thing I will fervently disagree with though is that football is a product and we are a consumer and, IMO, here lies the problem with football today. Fans, or customers, now analyse every single facet of the match - even down to the pies! For me anyway, people should vote with their feet instead instead of embarrassing themselves and the club.

As far as my last sentence being embarrassing- embarrassing for who? You obviously missed my point and maybe I've hit a nerve with the "pie crap". Maybe lay off them for a bit? You wouldn't want your replica shirt to show off a gut when you "go the game" would you? If I have to explain my original post to someone because they don't understand it, then that's embarrassing.

And finally, what has football violence got to do with it? And why even suggest that I would any way shape or form prefer those days to these and how on earth do you correlate the behaviour of football hooligans with the class of the club? Are you seriously suggesting that people like me who cringe at people's behaviour would prefer the behaviour of people who slash people's backs with Stanley knives? Get a grip.

01 May 2016 10:54:43
If them few decide to spend there time with a peaceful protest after full time that's upto them, it in now way hurts or effects me. I had seen and had better things to do to be honest. But that attitude is probably the attitude that if RM stays in place and next year we are near relegation the board will think all is ok with the fans, these fans are voicing the general feel through all evertonians with regards to the failings of the manager. As I said earlier, don't disagree he is a nice man and I have no anger towards BK. We don't live in Korea and we are free to voice our concerns.

The plane thinks is not my style, I gave it a look up, but that was it. Again if people like to spend there hard earned money that way then let them.

People should talk with there feet. Iv already paid up for all the games, me turning up or not won't effect anything, but going the match is my thing, I don't drink, well hardly, the match is my little treat so to speak. I get were your going, gate numbers show displeasure, but like me many of today's era go the game cause it's there weekly ritual. But that is not how you at first put it across.

Again, I don't see how we showed disrespect to the respect we showed for justice served for the 96. It did not take place at the same time. I have many kopite mate how have said what a good thing it was, followed by 'I hope martinez stays just like you lot wanted Rodgers to stay with us' laughing at the same time. I think any anger would be vented by them.

They say the best form of defence is Attack hahaha, don't worry bout my waist line I'm in fine health thanks! Obviously missed your point, cause a comment on pie eating makes total sense about fans.

But I think you missed my point on embarrassing the club, don't see the papers running the headlines 'EVERTON FANS EMBARRASS CLUB WITH PEACEFULL SIT IN AFTER GAME' compared to the nationwide coverage of disgraceful everton and there fans with the cutting up of fans and constant violence that follows them. Which one is the embarrassing one?

Yes you did hit a nerve, I go the game, I eat pies, but I also count this club as 'OUR CLUB'. These custodians will come and go, and all we can do is hope the ydo what is right for the fans and more important the club, cause one things for sure, when they sell and fill there fat pockets with millions more than they had, I will still be there, scrimping and saving to go and watch 'MY' club play football.

01 May 2016 11:47:48
We obviously have a different perspective on what is embarrassing etc. We also have a very different sense of humour. I cannot for the life of me understand why you keep labouring the point about violence? I've never once implied it or suggested it and by repeating your mute point about it, only suggest that you are trying to apply a stereotype to people who don't want to embarrass themselves with idiotic protest.

I'm going to agree to disagree with you. I am not in favour of protest, you are. I find it embarrassing, you don't. I do want Martinez gone, I just don't agree with the way people are going about trying to effect this.

01 May 2016 12:17:14
My point is pedro, that in the past our violent fans was a lot more embarrassing to the club than a few making a peaceful protest at the end of a game, I think the way you slammed them down calling it a disgrace and embarrassment is a bit heavy and it comes across as your taking it very personal.

Protesting, It's not my thing, I don't agree or disagree, I feel if that's what they think is right then so be it. It's the pleasure of living in the country we do.

Yes I don't own the club was my other point, but I have every right to voice my concerns if I feel so, cause as said, fans will be here long after the past, present and future owners will be.

I think you would find we would get on quite well in the real world, voicing views is often a lot better and understood more than writing them.

01 May 2016 12:19:26
So you'd rather be passive, Pedromez? Solid plan that, mate. I'll carry on supporting us even if we're in the Conference, but I'd rather not see it going that far, thanks. I'll let my feelings be known.

30 Apr 2016 18:56:05
Not a massive fan of Martinez and never have been. He wasn't who I wanted as manager at the time but he got my support. I would prefer a new manager for next season as I don't see how rm can change things, but being honest I really don't know who I would have for next season. Point is no matter what has been threw at rm he has taken it and still stuck by what he believes in, whether that's right or wrong I don't know. Felt sorry for the man today, this man has a family who will have seen and heard what has been said about him. I'm not his biggest fan but I can't imagine wats going thru his mind. I give him credit for still holding his head up even after the plane that flew over goodison today. Like I've said I'm not his biggest fan but would it not be better to get off his and the boards back and let them do there job as surely all the protests are having a negative effect on the players. The board will decide if he stays or goes. If he stays he needs our backing or were in for another season of turmoil. Let's make goodison hell for the opposition and not our own manager and players for next season. Let's be honest would we like the abuse the man is getting for every mistake we make at work?

30 Apr 2016 20:22:03
Tend to agree. today has put everything into perspective. To watch Roberto hug Margaret Aspinall today in the manner he did was so emotive n demonstrated the type of person he is. He hasn't deliberately set out to damage our club or to alienate the fan bas. He simply believed in what he does. I think deep down we all know Bobby will no longer be with us after this summer and I strongly suspect he knows this. It hasn't worked out and I am just as exasperated as everyone else and wasnt a massive fan in the first place. It hasn't worked out and to be honest the club has now kicked on in terms of investment and dynamics courtesy of FM. There is nothing to be achieved now by persecuting RM and handing the press headlines on a plate. let's get behind the team n hopefully more youngsters are blooded during the last 3 games. COYB.

{Ed025's Note - great post that smithy mate..

30 Apr 2016 20:34:21
I think he is not the right man for the job but I also appreciate its not my decision to make. We are fans not owners and protests and planes is not the Everton way. There was none of this when Walker was manager but then again there was no social media so you would have to speak to real people with faces to organise protests rather than a made up name on twitter to hide behind. Everytime i read just seen on titter or me nans bulldog on facebook said it reminds me why i don't do social media. Football is a business run by businesmen who have been successful in achieving there position. I take my seat in the stand to support the players. The protests and pitchfork brigade may run Martinez out of town but the way they are going about it they will also run the talented players out of town too as they won't want to play for a team whose fans abuse there own. Just my opinion and i know not all will agree.

30 Apr 2016 18:19:24
Just listening on the local and national stations about the sit in at Goodison protesting about Martinez.
It is peacefull and good humoured yet making the point of how we all feel.
I am proud of these Evertonians as they have not done it during the game, they have not come on the pitch, they are making there point in a way to get the right publicity well done lads.

30 Apr 2016
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30 Apr 2016 11:43:00
Hi Ed why is it that these vitriolic fans keep up this rubbish day in and day out whether we like it or not it looks like Roberto is staying, I too would like a new manager but for heavens sake give it a rest and get behind the team and support them all, GuernseyBlue.

{Ed002's Note - I don't know GB. The natural couerse was there for the board - get through to the end of the season and let everyone within the club take a step back and review the situation as it stands and the best way forward. Take advice on the fottballing side of matters; take advice on teh scouting and the academy. Recruit the right people to come in, be it a new manager, additional coaching staff; someone to head up a revamp of the academy; someone to head up a new approach to scouting and build a new team. Make plans for teh stadium and get someone in to head up that project and to liaise with the local authorities and businesses. Start working on increasing commercial partnerships and bring in additional commercial revenue. Build for teh future and plan the way forward. Sadly there is a side to the fan base that is not interested in any of this and simply wants to embarrass and damage the club - and in particular force the club in to making spontaneous decisions. In the longer term the eventual new owners will be waty of the relationship with teh supporters.}

30 Apr 2016 12:24:05
As I said before. Think it's time to hold on for the ride and support whoever plays or manages our great club. we've all messed up in our jobs and we learn from our mistakes. if Bibby stays I jushooe he has learned from his.
We can't hire or fire. only the board can and we must trust them to do it right. They are not rich men by employing the wrong people. As I say. get the ground, support the boys and help to pull our great club back up. we are bottom half not relegation, in moyes 2nd season we finished 17th and didn't give this abuse.

{Ed002's Note - I hope everyone agrees with your views G.}

30 Apr 2016 12:46:59
Ed002: I completely agree that the club needs the best possible on-and-off-the-field strategic plan that is prepared by the best possible people and then carried out by the best possible people. That plan will take time - and must be given time.
The beef that many supporters have is the "perceived" lack of information from the club about the way forward. Although there were "broad brush" comments after FM first bought his shares about potential changes this summer, many fans want to know (and believe! ) that the process is moving forward. Lob in all the rumours and gossip in the media - especially the social media - and it's no wonder that ordinary fans (who are emotionally tied to their favourite club - no matter how sad and "get-a-life" that seems) are venting their frustrations. Just as wanting truth and honesty from the manager he talks about poor results and performances, imho it's not being nasty to ask that the club be strong enough to say what in general the steps being taken are. Fearing the fanbase and appearing to be unwilling to engage with the fanbase will surely only worsen the distrust and deepen many fans' frustration and vociferousness.
Ironiclly, if the board were more like RM - always accentuating the positive and promising the golden future - while RM was like the board - with us knowing that he's getting on quietly and confidently with properly doing his job - then that might be better. How naive of me is it to believe that?

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing to say at this time Sid. THe fans seem to be after a weekly newsletter with "breaking" news each time - football isn't like that. There is no detail at this time and I would not expect any until the season is over. The behavious of the septic part of the fan base will be making them consider what they say to the supporters - it could well be less rather than more. Can you remember the last time Mr Abramovich stood up to issue a statement to the Chelsea fans? Or Sheik MAnsour's last press conference? I can't quite recall the last statement to the Arsenal fans by Chips Keswick either.

You certainly cannot expect the club to make comment on all of the social media rumours. That is why I am here.}

30 Apr 2016 12:14:42
The majority of us are unhappy with the Manager and want a change but that same majority do not boo the players or Manager, take the view it is counter productive. A statement will come out, but not until the end of the season, only 4 games left..

30 Apr 2016 13:23:01
Well sad Ed totally agree with you, GuernseyBlue.

30 Apr 2016 13:37:52
Ed002: thanks for your response - intelligent as always. Of course the club shouldn't have to reply to all social media - although they do actively use social media to provide some information - and your comments about rumours, etc., are therefore very welcome via this website. No matter how well-informed and experienced in football matters you undoubtedly are, I respectfully doubt that you can be certain about what is going on behind the scenes at Everton and it wouldn't harm the club to consider how they could better communicate with their fanbase. Wishful thinking I guess. Bring on the unicorns, pixies, elves, fairy dust, and magic wands - ho-ho-ho! :-)

{Ed002's Note - I have a decent idea what is going on and certainly know what the plan was for the end of the season. The fans are clearly out to disrupt that so it may well change. The club has spoken to a couple of folks regarding some of these matters already.}

30 Apr 2016 14:43:34
Geoffjohno I encourage you to read the Martinez interview with carragher that is in the papers today. Martinez knows that are results are bad but won't change his philosophy.

30 Apr 2016 10:56:06
so come on then where are all ye mates that work at finch farm. can count on two hands and feet who posted "HE"S GONE because MY MATE SAID THIS AND MY MATE SAW THIS"well av a good look today and you will see fraud on the touch line with mates like them who needs enemys.

30 Apr 2016 09:01:07
I remember 1983 let's sack kendall when we bought Sharpy everyone who is this crap. get over yourselves support the lads.

30 Apr 2016 09:07:05
In dec 1983 we brought andy gray in and everyone thought injury prone player to add to peter reid who was already at the club, things changed quickly. sharp was signed by gorden lee just before his sacking, remember kendalls first buys biley, ferguson, ainscow, arnold and southall only 1 made more than 100 apperances. So agree with things could change.

30 Apr 2016 10:23:12
One thing we have always been though is a very hard side to beat especially at Goodison. Since Roberto's arrival we have gone further and further downhill in that department. If only he would see that all he needs to do is a couple of tweaks, bring in someone to coach the defence, Weir, Stubbs? If he is really hurting as much as us then surely he must recognise what the rest of us recognise.

30 Apr 2016 12:08:28
We can't keep romancing back to the time when Kendall turned things around. As much as it makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck when I recall those great moments. The reality is that we are not getting anywhere at the moment. The game is completely different and but for the odd anomaly you have to keep pace with the rest or fall way behind. WE ARE FALLING FAST RIGHT NOW! No amount of history can change this.

Support the club, yes. Support the players on the pitch, by all means. But do not accept mediocrity. It's about 3 points in the league and knock out in the cups. Any philosophy that doesn't prioritise this needs to go with the manager that instilled them.

Sorry Roberto, you're a lovely guy but you just haven't got what it takes.

30 Apr 2016 07:05:13
There are many posts below about getting rid of Ross Barkley and John Stones. I am pleased to say that most replies are now along the lines of my thoughts. ie he is our only creative midfielder and the others are (to quote someone else) pedestrian. I have been banging on about this for ages. I did another reply below about Barkley, Stones and Lukaku having too much weight on their shoulders and ridiculous comments in the past about RM picking them and Moyes holding them back. I firmly believe RM has relied on these 3 young men far too much and they should have had times of rest and reflection. I guess the problem is our squad is so painfully thin with creative quality. another thing I banged on about 4 years ago. I remember heated debates with Swan and others when I pointed out the average age of our creative midfielders. Pienaar and Osman not being replaced. Gibson always injured. etc. Onee ffinal thing I would add is that Barkley MUST be special. otherwise why does every other top club want him? Added to which. he plays great for England. Perhaps he is surrounded by too many slow non creative players? But that's the other thing I have banged on and on about. to be continued.

30 Apr 2016 10:01:52
Degsy I'm getting peed off with fans having a go at the kid as well he is one of our own and could be world class one old fella behind did nothing but abuse Barkley until I turned around and had a go at him I personally think if we get a new manager in someone who will point out the weakness's and mistakes and train them to not make them again him Stones and Lukaku will improve greatly the problem they have is Roberto claps when they make mistakes and then does nothing about it. I will never boo Barkley he deserves our support not criticism.

30 Apr 2016 10:55:09
I agree 100% Bluey79. Strangely I was told some years ago by a mate that there are 2 types of supporter when things go wrong. those who blame the referee and those who blame the team/ manager. I am definately a referee blamer!

30 Apr 2016 09:28:04
So Del boy, Lennon and Mirallas are not creative midfielders?

Forget about Pienaar and Osman. Not much left in them. Gibson has been injured a lot since he was here but when was he injured last? As far as I know he's been available since around the beginning of the season just hasn't got a chance.

I'm all for keeping Barkley and Stones. You have been banging on about the creativity if the team. Or lack of it. Del boy screams creativity. Mirallas is also a creative player. Both have hardly played in the last 4 - 5 months. Lennon on the other hand has done very well in last 4 - 5 months and he along with Del boy have been very good valuable buys. Around £5m each, absolute steals. Don't you think?

I put the creativity of the team more down to the managers tactics and team selections. As I said how much has Del boy or Mirallas played this year? Add in Baines and Coleman on how they were playing 3 seasons ago. Different manager different set up and we could be a lot more creative and not pin most of our hopes on Barkley and Lukaku.

That will in turn help their development and not put as much pressure on them as well and they could get a well deserved break. I totally agree with you on that.

30 Apr 2016 09:28:04
So Del boy, Lennon and Mirallas are not creative midfielders?

Forget about Pienaar and Osman. Not much left in them. Gibson has been injured a lot since he was here but when was he injured last? As far as I know he's been available since around the beginning of the season just hasn't got a chance.

I'm all for keeping Barkley and Stones. You have been banging on about the creativity if the team. Or lack of it. Del boy screams creativity. Mirallas is also a creative player. Both have hardly played in the last 4 - 5 months. Lennon on the other hand has done very well in last 4 - 5 months and he along with Del boy have been very good valuable buys. Around £5m each, absolute steals. Don't you think?

I put the creativity of the team more down to the managers tactics and team selections. As I said how much has Del boy or Mirallas played this year? Add in Baines and Coleman on how they were playing 3 seasons ago. Different manager different set up and we could be a lot more creative and not pin most of our hopes on Barkley and Lukaku.

That will in turn help their development and not put as much pressure on them as well and they could get a well deserved break. I totally agree with you on that.