Everton Banter Archive August 30 2015

30 Aug 2015 21:41:21
Not a rumour just commenting on fans worrying about not getting 1 more quality player in before the window closes, If John Stones stays that will be a great window fighting off one of world footballs richest clubs but hopefully it's not used as a smoke screen for not getting 1 more in, hopefully RM has waited this late to see where money would be best spent, I can accept us not getting anyone else in as long as the money was there to buy the right player and for whatever reason we couldn't get our man, personally I am quite happy with our team/squad now but if we get Yarmalenko or some other top quality attacking midfielder and our youngsters keep developing who knows what we could achieve this season

31 Aug 2015 00:23:03
Put it this way if we keep stones and no other players ago apart from players like mcgeady and add one more like a Yarmolenko then that would be a great window, we have stood firm on stones when any other club would off sold and I do believe we could of probably negotiated up near 50m for him he is that good frightening to think when he is 25 potential to be best centre half in world football and come January or next summer we will have more than Chelsea knocking at our door you will have Barcelona, Madrid and munich, so for me we have done well to keep our stars let's not forget we finished 11th a lot of those players could of seeked moves elsewhere, so credit to clubs and players being loyal, Everton Fc made big statement for the game over last few weeks, shame on sky pundits they always bang on about young English talent to be looked after and let them learn by playing week in week out, and saying he had bad advice for handing in transfer request, yet the boy only had to go home switch on ssn and all of them saying go to Chelsea and learn from John terry, what a load of tosh, he is nothing like Terry not as a player nor as a person, he will learn from playing the game every week it's just him getting experience now, he can be the very best, he will make his money no matter what and big moves will be there in future unless we get takeover then don't need to worry about him going which has to be the aim

31 Aug 2015 08:16:50
Good post True!!

31 Aug 2015 10:08:00
Totally agree with all above. Only thing that might interrupt is injuries. A few back room team people left. Whether that will make a difference we'll have to wait and see.

30 Aug 2015 21:14:10
If Everton don't sign a 10 million plus playmaker I thinks there will be a riot at goodison.I might even come from Devon for it myself.

{Ed025's Note - how over the top is that dazza?..cold shower time mate..

31 Aug 2015 00:02:19
What a stupid statement! What difference does the price tag make!? Would you not prefer an unknown 5m phenomenon? Or is it all about spending money for some people!

31 Aug 2015 07:54:27
As with your above post, you are making yourself look really stupid with your comments now Dazza!!! Are you really an Everton fan or are you just on here to wind us true fans up??

31 Aug 2015 10:14:46
Dazza. Stay off the scrumpy.

31 Aug 2015 11:36:06
lol dazza two great posts mate very intelligent

30 Aug 2015 19:24:07
We all have opinions, and all I can say is i'm sticking to mine as its the way I see it week in week out. Sometimes we can be blinkered to things, i'm guilty of it when you need someone to tqke your stick out on, but on the whole i'm a football watcher of players and I give my opinions on what I see. In other words Swan and others who agree with you, i'm sticking to my critisism of Lukaku, he needs to look at his own play before blaming the rest of the team for his poor performances for the team!

30 Aug 2015 20:09:28
Had he watched Gomez today he would have seen how a front man can really effect the game with his hold up play and work rate.

30 Aug 2015 20:34:15
Gomez was brilliant today, he holds the ball and releases to to the rushing midfield before making a intelligent run into the box.

Simple centre forward play.

Lukaku is a goal scorer but does nothing at all to help get into a position to score.

30 Aug 2015 18:10:21
Fellani back. He don't start for Man U now. Would you take him back?

30 Aug 2015 19:07:40
Yes. Aggressive, tall, angry. Can score goals. Why not. How about Luke Shaw, Fellaini, De Gea, and Rooney for Stones. Even up. And throw in McGeady.

30 Aug 2015 20:11:09
No. Move on.

31 Aug 2015 08:32:34
No thank you.

30 Aug 2015 15:42:46
Cant get excited over these 2 signings from south america. Watched rodriguez on youtube some of his 17 goals look like they were scored on a sunday league pitch. Why are we buying a 500k striker from uruguay? Surely we could do better? We were poor at spurs yday. Lukaku is so lazy, at one point one of their cente backs is walking with ball, lukaku watches stationary as he brings it into our half, why not close him down instead of letting them build an attack. Got to say first time away at spurs and their fans were great. don't see much business being done by the club and if only 1 signing comes in then we are well short in squad depth. Keep hearing stones is not going but canthelp but feel if the price is right he will be gone. As it stands we have played 5 games and only had 1 convincing performance at southampton. Worried for the season ahead, we will be nowhere near europe as it stands.

30 Aug 2015 17:42:08
We have a very difficult initial period with games against the top clubs. The first two away games we have four points, scored three and let in zero. The second of our home games was against City and the way they are playing and the money they have it is hardly surprising that we lost. The only points lost in a game we should have won was Watford. The problem with Lukaku is he does not seem fit enough to play two games in a week, he looked knackered agains Spurs. Too early to make any comment on the two from South America, give them a chance for Gods sake. Let's hope we can get in a good #10 before the window closes.

30 Aug 2015 14:15:02
So people are saying that yarmolenko is now off to Dortmund any chance of us going in for him again and trying to hijack the deal or am I just clutching at straws ed? Thanks in advance

{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

30 Aug 2015 12:54:16
I think the way are club is going we are modelling ourselves on athletics Madrid buy young turn them in to a decent player keep them for a few seasons while there good and sell at a maximum profit which has worked very well for them and I wouldn't mind if they are trying that as long as we re invest the money into the team and club

30 Aug 2015 14:12:58
really? is that why we just sold stones

30 Aug 2015 15:27:56
Another year or two and I think he will be sold for a record fee. It's the only way we will be able to keep up with the top 5 and it would also keep our wage bill down too. And we would attract the best youngsters too. We need to go all out for the fa cup or the league cup this year to make sure our name is back on the map and start turning our youngsters into winners and our younger fans see us winning something rather than just accepting we will stay in the prem and win nothing.

{Ed025's Note - that would be great eddy..

30 Aug 2015 16:19:17
I know fingers crossed we just need to play a it faster when we've got the ball. I think the next signing will be adnan janjuzi however you spell his name. Left out the United squad today.

30 Aug 2015 10:34:31
Just an answer to Swans in depth reply to my Lukaku critisism. To use the City, Chelsea, Reds, Arsenal plyers as an example is good in comparison to our mids, but to be fair to our mids n I've said it on here before after the City game. Lukaku needs to watch a tape of Aguero and Bony when he came on, they didn't stand still with the defenders, at one point Jags was chasing Aguero in their half but was terrified because it left so much space for Silva and Toure. You say he wants a ball to run onto, i'm tired of watching Barkley with the ball stuck because Luk isn't moving for the run, we saw what can happen if he does at Soton, ut he does it so rarely, deciding to just stand there wondering what to do. Its my opinion and I believe its because he score which I can't argue with, that the critisism doesn't come his way, but meanwhile we have a midfield who are under pressusre because of his inefectiveness.

30 Aug 2015 11:41:13
All I'm going to say Howie, how often does Barkley have the ball when running towards goal, Lukaku is telling him where to put it, he is in acres of space and Ross doesn't even look up, he either runs in to the Defender or shoots and it lands on some poor fellas head outside Goodison. Lukaku gets frustrated a lot an screams at Ross, he doss it to Kev and did it to Geri when he was first here. He takes up great positions and no one is interested. That is the issue for me mate, Ross seems more interested in getting himself more screen time on MOTD than trying to get us a goal. It's fone comparing him with Bony and Aguero, fair enough, the problem is, he is a completely different player to both of them. What I will say is it is not one sided, sometimes Lukaku doesn't make himself available when he should but I think it should be acknowledged when no one gives him the ball. Notice how many times Lukaku is flagged offside? It's because he makes these great runs but Ross, Jimmy Mac, Gaz Baz or whoever only bother playing it when it is too late. When he makes these runs we need to play it over the top of the Defence, no one is pushing him off the ball when he is in full flow. He's a great finisher, he'd have so many more goals if we had a Number 10 who could build a good partnership with him. One thing that gets me is when people say Ross and Rom have a great relationship, no, imo it is one of the worst in the League, Ross has what, 4 assists in 70 odd games? Lukaku has over 40 goals fo us. Imagine how many he would get if he had someone less selfish with more creativeness playing behind him. But just to clarify I DO understand completely where you are coming from. And just incase people think this is me launching an attack on Ross, I'm not, we play the wrong style for Rom but we play the wrong position for Ross. He doesn't have the vision or ability to be a playmaker. He is best playing from deep driving forward and playing a basic pass to one of the better players.

30 Aug 2015 12:31:20
Agree with most of what Swan is saying here Howie especially about Rom making runs and not receiving the ball quick enough. However it is not just Ross, Mirallas and Deulofeu are just as guilty of this at times but no one ever criticises them for doing it. The thing that makes a player like David Silva such a good player is that he is unselfish. Some of our players behind Rom should learn from him.

30 Aug 2015 10:12:38
I was pondering last night, what on earth is going to happen with the Goalkeeping situation. Howard did well against Spurs, there is just one issue, he's garbage. Well, silly me, going back to the old ways of just saying everyone is bad. Let me rephrase that, he isn't any good, there are over 20 Keepers better than him in the Premier League, that's better. I was happy to see Joel in the team against Barnsley, was thinking 'go on son, take your chance', he did not. Joel is a keeper for me that can become good, he just needs confidence, to get confidence he needs games, he won't get games when he concedes 3 goals against Barnsley. 2 of which could of been stopped. So, let's just say neither are good enough right now, which they are not. What is it that makes them so, not that good?. Howard, I see lots of people saying he's a greath shot stopper, well if you count non long range shots or near post shots then fine. There is just one issue, every keeper is a good shot stopper, it is their job to stop shots from going in to the back of the net. So, he does the bare minimum prettu well I suppose. When he is not star jumping over a ball or conceding from anywhere over 20 yards. I'm not joking, think of the amount of long range shots he concedes, Gerrard's free kick last season, Ben Arfa's striker about 3-4 seasons ago. Lampard in the FA Cup final. Ryan Taylor half volley in 2011-12, Cabaye in 13-14. Assou Ekotto in 11-12. He just cannot save shots from distance. How many near post goals does he concede? Don't worry, I will spare you the pain of listing then, in fact I will save myself the pain as there is too many to list!. Commanding his area, yeah, this is something he fails at too, doesn't have a clue what he is doing with crosses or anything, how many times against Spurs did he run out then quit half way through, no communication with the Defenders. Catching the ball, by god, I am nervous as hell whenever we concede a corner, not because of his dodgy catching, oh ni, because he doesn't move. He stays still so anything coming in at pace is pretty much a guaranteed goal. Starting a counter attack, this is one of the things I like about Joel. He can kick it from his hands and start an attack, Howard prefers to hold it for a while, let the opposition get back while our players waste energy running just for Howard to roll it to the nearest player. Without dragging this out and making it look like I'm building to the conclusion of 'Joel is better!', I'm not. Neither is good enough, Joel can at least get better, or at least, can't get any worse. Howard is just, beyond infuriating. Statistically in the top 3 worst keepers in Europe last season and has cost us so many more points than he has saved us. The game against Spurs changes nothing, just like his game against Belgium in the World Cup where at least 14 of his 16 saves I'd expect every keeper to save. What I'm trying to say is, Howard, he's been a good servant and a not terrible signing I suppose. Neither he or Joel is reliablebor good enough at the moment. Please Roberto, sign a Goalkeeper.

30 Aug 2015 11:18:10
Howard did save us a point yesterday what he can do is block shots from close range and he is not bad at 1v1. I think he will have at least one more season before you get to see the back of him Swan. As for Joel he needs a run of games he should be playing every week in the reserves, as last season, when he got a run he did really improve.

30 Aug 2015 12:08:21
What nonsense Swan!! All keepers are good shot stoppers. Really!? That's like saying "all wingers are good dribblers or all defenders are good blockers". This Howard criticism is getting ridiculous now!Absolute rubbish mate sry!!

30 Aug 2015 12:13:56
Yeah I forgot to mention that, he is pretty good 1v1. I actually think Joel might benefit from some time out on loan at a Championship team, not sure if any Prem teams specifically need him. But then if Howard gets injured we have no one. Maybe we could try loaning in a second choice keeper for the season Joel is on loan?.

30 Aug 2015 12:16:52
See what I mean you give him a 8 yet spout a story on how bad Howard is not to mention part 2 barkley above that, both players have flaws but yesterday the whole team were below par, if a pundit had wrote those they would be lambasted but it's swan so it's ok, how fickle

30 Aug 2015 13:28:32
What on earth are you talking about mikedeblue? Howard was good yesterday, doesn't mean he is the be all end all. How am I fickle? Do you know the meaning of the word?. If I had said I always loved Howard yesterday then today said I always hated him, then change my mind again. Thay is fickle, saying he had one good match but reiterating what I have said MANY times before that he is too dodgy. That is not fickle.

30 Aug 2015 08:20:27
Ok so bar Rodriguez who has signed and Mori who is waiting for paperwork to come through( + 2 younger kids), we have yet again been linked with everyone. Great that current players have signed new contracts. I think it looks certain from what's coming out of the club that another attacking player will be coming in, most likely 5 to 6 on deadline day. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a good player that's slipped right under the media radar.

I think it's high time everyone got off bobbys and bills back. To turn down that type of cash says to me that bobbys being backed by the board and that we have some money available to spend.

Have more faith blues we got Coleman for, well everyone knows the song, Rodriguez could be brilliant and the competition for places is always good .


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30 Aug 2015 09:57:53
Have you ever thought the board are being really clever about this stones lark do you think they really wanted to turn down 40 mill for stones because I don't with the fans fury of late like chanting for bills head at games flying banners over grounds an stuff like that. I think it killed bill refusing that deal but he saw it as a way to get fans back on side so if you ask me he really wanted th 40 but had no choice

30 Aug 2015 12:42:57
Shakey, what a load of crap you have just spouted! You really think that, just because approx 3 fans paid for a plane as a protest, that that is the only reason the deal was knocked back? Ridiculous to the extreme.
Name one player that the board have got rid of for the sake of making money. This constant grinding down of the board is tiresome, they really can't win with some 'fans'can they? If Stones had been sold you would have slagged them off, no ambition.just after money. blah blah effing blah! They refuse to sell him and still get such nonsense, 'killed them to turn down 40m'. 'only kept him to appease the fans'
Can you not see how stupid that logic is?

31 Aug 2015 11:45:21
crap talk shakey

30 Aug 2015 01:39:00
Who do you think Everton will sign on transfer deadline day?

30 Aug 2015 08:38:10
I think we will sign Aaron Lennon, the defender from Argentina and hopefully 1 other attacking player. I don't think it will be any one we have heard much about over the Summer.

30 Aug 2015 08:42:51
Ive got a horrible feeling stef we will sign nobody then lennon will be unvieled just before the deadline and Martinez will be delighted.

30 Aug 2015 09:38:14
Mori before deadline say, Lennon and a number 10 on deadline day. McGeady to leave.

29 Aug 2015 22:17:46
Its time Lukaku got a rollicking. I've been saying it for quite a while now but he gets away with it because he does put the ball in the net at times(as he is supposed to). It masks the player he should be, he keeps going on about wanting to be the best in the world, well he is so far away from that. He still can't control a ball, hold it up or pass it. That puts so much pressure on tthe team when your main striker can't do that. I've heard people say the service to him is poor, well of course it is if he doesn't move. As a Striker with his back to goal he has to move to the ball not stay still n let the defender nip it off him or give him a nudge in the back. He stands there at times watching the play, no movement no pulling the defender and how many times does it end with him being well offside. I don't know what Big Dunc is doing with him but its not working, or he is doing it in training but not in games, and that's a worry. It means he hasn't the tools or confidence when the pressure or urgency in a game is on. i'm sorry, well i'm not really, but the jury has been still out as far as i'm concerned with him for a long time. Against Barnsley first half he was shocking, n it took them to go 2-0 before he pulled his finger out. Today, he may aswell not have played for all he did, n it was a surprise to me it took RM so long to take him off, the pressure he was putting us under by his ineffectiveness. If he wants to be the best well he needs to start realising there is a lot more to do as a Striker than scoring goals as indeed his Manager for Belgium is constantly trying to remind him!! i'm not saying drop him but it might have to happen if he doesn't sort himself out soon.

30 Aug 2015 06:25:34
He's not that type of player, we need to play to his strengths which is giving him the ball early and letting him run. Instead we launch it up to him and expect miracles, if we want that then we need a Peter Crouch or Andy Carroll. His service is terrible, how often does he get a decent ball played through to him? Rarely, he has to do most of the work himself. The crosses he gets are poor, Coleman in particular cannor cross the ball to save his life. We never give him it when he makes a run, instead Barkley tries taking on the world, Osman goes backwards, McCarthy goes sideways. There is no one with a good final ball. Look at Silva, Mata, Ozil, Coutinho and Eriksen, all have great vision and a good final ball to pick out the striker when he makes a run. We have no one like that. Lukaku then has to drop deep and run with the ball, I saw a Liverpool fan criticise him saying he never plays a part in the build up to his goals, absolute rubbish, he often has to get us going as the Midfled are more interested in pass completion rates than actually trying to set up a goal. Lukaku is not a battering ram, he is when he is running but not with his back to goal, look at Bony, he holds it up well, has a great touch and good in the air, Benteke is similar, those players feed off crosses and service, they are the players that play little in the build up to their goals. It could be argued they hold it up then move, fair enough. I'm not getting in to the whole who is better of the 3 debate. Those players lack the pace and flexibility of Lukaku, his touch is poor and he isn't that good in the air. He is when we put in a decent cross which I don't think he's had since Young Boys away last season. In terms of hoofing it up he doesn't win too many. We are using him completely wrong, we need a number 10 who can see his runs, have the ability to play the final ball and actually help him. Kone does this as he occupies a Defender and is a bit better at holding the ball up than Lukaku but playing Kone affects the formation unless we have more support on the flanks, if not then one of them ends up out wide and leaves the other isolated. He is great for the counter attack and moving the hall quickly, we did that in Europe and in Martinez's first season. Now, the football is so slow that Lukaku often has to drop deep to get the ball moving and leaves us with no one to give the ball too when we get in advanced positions. I'm not saying he is the perfect Striker, he's not. But it does not help when the style of play and formation do not suit him. A player like Benteke or Bony would probably suit us better but we should mould our style to get the best out of Rom. We are not, the fans expect him to be this stand still player, turn the defender and score, well, if it is Anichebe and you want 5-6 goals a season then fair enough. Not Lukaku, I find it amazing he does as well as he does when the service is terrible, the style and formation are not to his strengths and that he has to do a lot of the work himself. We are using him completely wrong. Yes his touch needs to be better but that is it, hoofing the ball up to him is not the way to use him. We are not utilising him properly.

30 Aug 2015 07:30:59
Agree with Swan. Also what is the point of playing Kone if you are not going to play him with Lukaku like he did in the first game. Playing him as the second striker takes the pressure off Lukaku and allows him to attack the ball. The other thing is (having watched the game back) how slow is Barry,to see a professional footballer go into a tackle, miss then just stop instead of following through is deplorable. My grand son did that once in a match and after a bollocking from me and his dad you can be sure after that he didn't give up again.

30 Aug 2015 09:59:59
Funnily enough I agree with all 3 comments above even though they are counter arguments. Yesterday Everton played for a draw and therefore Martinez did not play to Lukaku's strengths. Everyone knows he has loads of ability but at times he is very frustrating to watch. I think this is what Howie is getting at. He looks lazy at times. I'm not sure whether its just his own approach or he is frustrated with the way the team is set up. Clev and Kone are playing well but putting them on the wing does not suit Lukaku. Playing them on the wing slows down the game and makes play less direct. On the other hand if Mirallas and Del boy were on the wing you would see far more urgency and attacking play which would involve and suit Lukaku better. Therefore I slightly think its more Martinez fault with this situation.

But there's something else to it. As I said Lukaku looks lazy at times and kinda uninterested. Which Howie is saying. I totally see what Howie is saying. Its hard to put a finger on exactly what it is other than Lukaku looks to be not trying enough. Even though the team isn't playing to his strengths that's no reason for Lukaku not to give his 100% best. Need proper competition for Lukaku to keep him on his toes.