Everton Banter Archive January 30 2016

 

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30 Jan 2016 22:46:26
Why is it that loads of sources are saying bid accepted for the striker but ssn aren't reporting on it?

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30 Jan 2016 23:54:52
It's probably because "loads of sources" are NOT independently investigating and verifying the story. They're probably just lazily recycling a story that they've all picked up from the same original source. In fact, many websites, etc., make no bones about the fact that they're merely trawling the Internet for news items and reporting those rather than carrying out their own journalistic investigations and reporting original scoops. The rumour may well turn out to be true, but I'm waiting until an organisation (one that has a track record of accuracy) reports it as a fact and isn't just peddling what-ifs, maybes, and other wishful thinking.

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31 Jan 2016 01:41:13
Do people still listen to ssn? I gave up when they said Lukaku had joined West Brom on loan and was at their training ground, when in actual fact he was in a locked room with Kev with the Belgium squad. They said Yarmoimsickofthisfellasbloodynamelenko was having a medical with us, he was in Ukraine. And when they said we were getting Jack Butland, only for the Birmingham manager to ring up saying we hadn't even contacted them. They make stuff up for their betting services. They have no sources.

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31 Jan 2016 09:51:58
That's one thing I agree 10000% with you Swan!

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30 Jan 2016 22:34:05
Just seen the full Merson video brilliant, very funny and so so right. Also told my laf months ago that Stones can never be a right back.

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30 Jan 2016 22:29:55
If these rumours are true Niasse and possibly Vermaelen in and the yanks have secretly come in then I feel bring in Yarmolenko, it is not to late, tell his missus to convince hom to come.
I feel if these are sucessful complete the final piece of the jigsaw and bring in "THE SPECIAL ONE" and bye bye to Martinez. Mourinho always had a respect for Everton, and we could dare to dream of CL football. I know this would be difficult but not impossible. It would probably mean not loosing for the remainder of the season.

COYB.

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30 Jan 2016 23:28:38
Well you can't be accused of being pessimistic!.

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31 Jan 2016 10:25:21
He wasn't special one when pressure came on. He blamed all the players what he did to doctor was a disgrace so no thanks - Koeman or Hughes for me no messing and media circus with these guys.

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30 Jan 2016 22:10:13
Apparently this striker that we've been linked to tonight looks s*** hot on youtube. So good in fact, that most of us, (if not all of us if we're honest, have never heard of him) I hope that, if we do indeed sign him, he goes on to be a world beater, but pardon me for not getting too over excited just yet.

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30 Jan 2016 21:52:49
Just a thought will it be Lukaku for Rooney this summer plus a bit of spare cash? My guess is it will happen.

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31 Jan 2016 01:11:12
It'd surely have to be a LOT of cash plus Rooney
Besides, Lukaku appears more likely to go a club that's qualified for the Champions League next season ;-) and I'd have thought that's more likely to be one of the big European clubs.

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31 Jan 2016 01:22:47
I think Rom will end up at PSG next year.

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31 Jan 2016 01:43:12
Wouldn't want Rooney.

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31 Jan 2016 09:54:31
I said last week that you were all writing Rooney off prematurely and he was just suffering a dip in form and his age and build suggest he will be a top top player for at least another 3 years if injuries do not get him. Looks like he is back in form. No chance of United releasing him to anyone.

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30 Jan 2016 19:22:02
When martinez became our manager I worked nights and listened to talk sport and Jason cundy said we would regret letting this man take over and even after his first season cundy was still banging the drum over our managers inadeqecess so if an ex pro could see it and most of our supporters could see it then why oh why did our board employ a man that had just relegated a team and correct me if I'm wrong didn't we pay compensation for the fraud.

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30 Jan 2016 19:48:29
I have to say half the blues supporters were behind him fully. but I was not one of them. but after his first season, I was amazed and thought I had judged him wrong. unfortunately I had him sussed all along.

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{Ed025's Note - i wanted him degs, i was lulled in by the promises and rhetoric of the guy...please dont pass this information on to pyramid sellers, jehova.s witness,s or QVC.. :)

31 Jan 2016 10:03:43
Lukaku was his one bit of brilliance in my view. and it worked for a season. I suppose you could say Barry was also pretty good business. but in all honesty, you didn't have to be special to realise Lukaku was an amazing prospect and Barry was already a top player. Other signings show promise. McCarthy, Besic and Deulafeu spring to mind. but McGeady, Alcaraz, Kone. awful signings compared to what we already had. He talks about squad improvements. I believe the players they have replaced were better. eg Distin, Naismith, Donovan, Saha, Neville, Fellaini, Yobo, Cahill etc were all better than the 3 I mention. I would say he weakened the squad and that's why we are where we are now. relying on 1 player or 2 players to keep us going. Recipe for disaster and people are slowly coming round to my way of thinking on this Ed.

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{Ed025's Note - i think the consensus of opinion degs is that this is our strongest squad for many a year mate, the thing is that bobby is not utilizing the quality we have correctly..

31 Jan 2016 11:09:26
The first season we did well but I remember well being at Goodison when we were going through a slight slump and it was turned around by Jags etc in the end ignoring the fraud and putting the ball into row Z and the same happened last season when rumours abounded of senior players arguing with him. His attacking philosophy I applaud but his ignoring of defence and absolutely delusional after match comments make no sense whatsoever. I hope beyond hope that we are being taken over and this fella is gone.

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31 Jan 2016 11:26:26
You are right that this is the consensus of opinion Ed. it is just not mine. I think individually certain players have certain attributes that make them stand out for that particular ability. eb Deulofeu has an amazing swinging cross whereby he can swing one in aka Beckham. However, his defending is awful, his tracking back is awful and his ability to retaain possession is pretty bad too. McCarthy has aan amazing workrate. His tackling is superb. But his shooting and goalscoring is next to non existent. Barry is similar. When you look through the current squad, it is filled with players like this. There are not many (if any) all rounders. And we are particularly poor on goalscorers. We have just let one of the all rounders go in Naismith. Rumour is Mirallas is to follow. and I term him as an all rounder. I know I go on and on about this but it is so obvious to me. Our central 3 midfielders all signed by RM replaced players who scored goals. Cleverly, Barry and McCarthy score at most 4 or 5 goals a season between them. Besic is yet to score for us. McGeady has 1. Kone has 6 but 3 of them were in 1 game. Mirallas has averaged about 8 or 9 in his career. Osman was always good for 6 or 7. Pienaar always got 5 or 6. We are reliant on Barkley and Lukaku for most of our goals and without Lukaku, I suspect Barkley would score fewer than he gets now. We need some kids coming through in the Osman/ Pienaar mould of being quick footed and with a decent shot on them because I don't trust Martinez to sign any like this.

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{Ed025's Note - i agree that the midfield need to contribute more in the scoring department degs, oh for a tim cahill type who could win you games even if the strikers were not firing..mind you with this guy in charge he would probably have been playing at fullback..

31 Jan 2016 12:02:42
I was going to mention him as an all rounder. Great for heading at both defensive corners and attacking corners. Could tackle. Could mix it up when needed. Almost a forward but one who was not afraid to roll up his sleeeves and do a defensive bit. Compare that with Deulofeu, McGeady, Kone, Barkley. oh and yes at least 10 goals a season. I keep repeating this bit but here goes. stop Lukaku and you have stopped EVERTON. Now how do you think opposing managers approach playing us? Why do we have 60-70% possession every game yet muster 2 shots at goal? Then add that to the lack of ability of allthe plaayers I lissted who don't know how to defend. no wonder all of a sudden Jags and Stones look poor. We used to be known for our goals at set pieces. Corners and free kicks by Baines, Pienaaar or whoever. Timmy, Distin, whoever we had playing were able to score. Same plaayer whips in a corner now and we look like we will never score. that's not just tactics. that's having plaayers who want to get on the end and also the ability to read the situation. Goalscoring can be coached to a degree but some players have the aability inbred.

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30 Jan 2016 18:11:13
The due diligence period ends tomorrow - any news on the JJ Moores proposed takeover.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not a "due diligence" period.}

30 Jan 2016 21:26:01
Fair enough ed it's not a due diligence period but instead of just correcting the op could you not answer the question aswell?

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{Ed002's Note - I answered a couple of days ago.}

30 Jan 2016 15:39:29
Have a look Merson is spot on

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30 Jan 2016 16:09:43
SPOT ON! Sorry Ed for shouting.

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30 Jan 2016 17:23:53
That is absolutely hilarious and so true at the same time šŸ˜.

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30 Jan 2016 18:04:25
Brilliant.

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30 Jan 2016 13:54:15
Just watched soccer Saturday and martinez got a right slating off the panel think we should be challenging at the top of the table and his defending is atrocious. So if we see it and ex pros see how bad he his why can't the board see it. I personally can't listen to the bile that comes out of his mouth anymore to say that we're going to do something special this season just shows you he's not on the same planet as the rest of us.

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30 Jan 2016 13:37:24
just watched a fantasic rant off pual merson on ssn update he was spot on with everything he said about stones,martinez and everton I avin got much time for merson but he was brilliant today if you get a chance try and see it he really did get worked up.

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30 Jan 2016 13:56:50
See it as well Paul I nearly spilled my cuppa all over me he went on a mad one alright but as you say mate you can't argue with what he said he was spot on.

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30 Jan 2016 14:19:05
Watched it earlier Paul he was spot on even Charlie threw his 2ps worth in saying this isn't new everton fans were booing the style of play against Watford first game of the season because it was so slow and mind numbing and they all agreed we are under achieving unlike Bobby's views which are the complete opposite it was interesting to listen to mate

On that note if bobby doesn't believe we are underachieving does he really think this squad is the 12th best in the league

That must give the players great confidence.

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30 Jan 2016 14:41:13
i was thinking the same liam he is more or less saying that HIS PLAYERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ANY HIGHER he even thinks we are going to do something special this season. we av only got the fa cup left so wots it going to be are we going to win the best club calander competition,all the lads on ssn update were top players for top teams so they know wot they are seeing and talking about but robbie knows best. NOT.

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30 Jan 2016 17:59:17
Merson on Martinez after match interview 'watching and listening to him is like Men In Black, we watch a game and it is awful defending atrocious and then Martinez comes on, waffles on and when finished he must press that button and we all forget the game and say it wasn't bad that was it'.

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30 Jan 2016 18:06:28
Said this before, the board are quite happy with him keeping us in 11th, 12th, 13th as long as the TV money keeps rolling in. Often said but becoming more and more true as the weeks go on this bloke is turning us into Wigan and he does not give a stuff.

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30 Jan 2016 10:05:53
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30 Jan 2016 08:55:38
Wow this is one of the hardest times in years that I have found for trying to pick myself up. I can see looking at all the posts that all other Blues are in the same boat as me. and being self critical I know things are bad when me and Swan start bickering at each others posts. I just hope that RM has the ability to pick up the team and get them fighting. I guess that's where I see things different from some others. Under Moyes we always had a team that fights. Fought for possession, fought toretain the ball but more importantly, fought to create chances. Under RM it is to play tippy tappy once we have the ball. no real attempt to get forward and create the opportunities. I would love to see a statistic for how many shots we had on goal in Moyes' last season compared with ours this season. Before any of you say Moyes' is the past and we have moved on. I am trying to analyse where things are going wrong. I would guess that we created at least triple the goalscoring opportunities in Moyes last season compared to this one.

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30 Jan 2016 17:53:38
While I agree we had some fight, that usually stemmed from regularly being told we don't deserve to be in the top ten and were pushing above our weight each week. That fight went as soon as we played a good team, when Moyes told us to roll over and just lose. No fight in the cups either.

We have scored 15 less goals in 23 games this season than Moyes' last season. That means we are on track to get over 65 goals this season.

We scored 55 under Moyes, the 6th most in the league.

We have 40 this season, the 3rd most in the league.

Oh dear degsy.

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30 Jan 2016 19:54:46
Yeah you are right Swan on some of this. looks like overall we will score more (but maybe not only time will tell) but what is interesting is the spread of goals. Only Lukaku and Barkley have scored in more than 4 games. And as we all know. when you are conceding 2 or 3 every game you have to score 3 or 4 to win. Whichever way I look at it I think we were better off under Moyes. I think Martinez is tactically poor and theplayers we have signed are in the main poor re goals. But we have had this discussion many times and you hate Moyes somuch you cannot see how bad Martinez is. let's drop it again.

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{Ed025's Note - you need to stop mentioning moyes degs, its that "i told you so" scenario all over again...even though we got this charletan im still glad he replaced the dour, boring, pathetic excuse for a manager that we had before him..

30 Jan 2016 20:31:42
I'm, along with Duncansmum, probably the most anti-Martinez on this site. In fact we debated a few weeks ago and you were defending Bobby, saying we are only a little off top four.

Your original post was about chances, we are averaging more goals this season than Moyes' last season. I'm not defending Martinez, you just invented something from thin air to continue praising Moyes and I proved you wrong. Now you want to switch it around and pretend it was all about "spread of goals"? . Please degsy, you've been proven wrong, just accept you messed up with this post, you seem desperate.

The I told you so attitude needs dropping too degs, makes you seem a condescending narcissist.

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{Ed025's Note - i happen to think degsy gets a lot of stuff right swan, but this affection for moyes is getting on my tits, we all wanted to see the back of DM and now it seems we lost a great manager!..not in my book..

31 Jan 2016 00:19:44
I am Moyes fan but think that ship has sailed. I know we all crave for stability in the league but honestly DM is not the answer. A young hungry manager is the answer and will RM be the man to do this? I'm not so sure but unless things change drastically he will find it very hard to right all his wrongs and we may look elsewhere.

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30 Jan 2016 07:33:13
Easter some year in the 1970s.
We were top of the League and strolling it.
Got to Crosby bus station to board bus to Carlisle who were rock bottom at the time.
My mate had messed up, hadn't booked seats but we bribed a driver and sat on the stairs of the coach (Health and Safety 1970s) .
Got to Carlisle only to find every bar was shut.
We got absolutely battered 3-0 and our season fell apart.
I hope all blues travelling to the North this weekend have a better experience!

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30 Jan 2016 09:23:21
Was there too Mushy. Think it's a day that sticks with many older blues. Think Carlisle beat us at Goodison too and they were relegated by a country mile.

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30 Jan 2016 09:27:55
i remember it well Mushy, I went up there with my arl fella in his cortina mk3.seemed to take for ever to get there and even longer to get back after getting tonked 3 nil. They done us home and away that season cost us the league (probably) . And if I am not mistaken that's the only two games they won all season.

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30 Jan 2016 11:08:27
It was the 74/ 75 season lads, I vaguely remember it. We were contenders for the league but that result knocked us for six.

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30 Jan 2016 01:47:43
What does man city fans and a sperm whale have in common?
One in 3,000,000 has a chance of becoming a human being

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30 Jan 2016 00:35:26
Anyone else read Merson's column about Martinez? Normally I can't stand him, but he's absolutely spot on about Roberto in my opinion. My patience is almost up with him, we deserve better.

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30 Jan 2016 01:31:27
Read it earlier ko good read and good to see national press righting negative stories about this fraud that has infiltrated our club the only club in the league that can be accused of being lamb dressed as mutten.

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30 Jan 2016 07:10:38
Where can I read this?

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30 Jan 2016 08:21:08
Read it and like others don't normally take notice of PM but he is spot on about RM this time and like me amazed at how RM continually gets away with it. Thing is we will beat Carlisle and RM will come out and say phenomenal, excited etc! and the media luvvies will all agree with him. The thing is it doesn't have to be like this, all Roberto has to do is let common sense take precedence over pride. What is wrong with the ball into row z, the long ball, or taking the ball into the corner at certain times and in certain matches in order to close the game down. That is all we ask Roberto.

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