Everton Banter Archive July 31 2018

 

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31 Jul 2018 23:45:25
right let's get this out there silva will get us into Europe thos yea and get us silverware within 3 seasons, pure simple blind faith and it will pay off in the long run to support us threw this rough patch in our history.
Anyone not wanting to support us whole wer struggling isn't wanted needed when wer successful.

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01 Aug 2018 08:47:21
Oh I will support. but blind faith. no way. I have opinions and will not be shut up in a way that maybe some people want! Period.

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01 Aug 2018 09:09:12
Not sure I agree with that Johnny. Blind faith is accepting 3 number 10s, mrogan schneiderlin in a starting role, Ashley Williams as Captain and Sam allardyce as manager. appreciate that was last season but why should this season be any different? What I will have and I think we all should have is patience.

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01 Aug 2018 09:16:47
no one wants u to shut up degs, ad actually like to have a pint with u one game this season as u seem like a good blue who wants what's best for the club, I just think sometimes you need a bit of blind faith. bit morbid and not football related but anyway, isn't all faith blind faith, my baby daughter died in March, I have complete faith that my grandfather and my uncle are looking after her in heaven, that os blind faith as there is zero evidence of this to back that up but i didn't believe that ad go crazy with worry. same applies to everton if i didn't have this "blind faith" that Marco and brand know what there doing ad go bitter and crazy.
don't let football drag u down mate, keep having opinions but don't let them opinions drag your mood down. wer everton and we have been in worse scraps than this we will be ok mate.
sorry if you thought that was a dig at you personally, it wasn't it was just my way of saying cheer up ay lads it's only football at the end of the day.

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01 Aug 2018 09:27:21
Really sorry to hear that Johnny. and to you mate I'd say whatever works for you and gives you comfort. take care.

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01 Aug 2018 09:40:38
thanks mate, am at a point with Everton wer blind faith is alls we have isn't it lads what's gunna change with us getting annoyed? we all wanted Sam gone and an attack minded manager and we got one let's give him time and let's put a bit of faith in our new management structure that they can turn us around. it will take time spurs was a great example, bought terribly when they lost modric and bale but then all of a sudden clicked and are now considered a champions league team, let's hope Marco is our Mauricio.

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01 Aug 2018 10:48:22
Johny, there is a lot to look forward to as a blue. Good times on the horizon mate. Chin up lad, and best wishes.

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01 Aug 2018 11:11:46
i no blue79 that's what am saying mate things are going in right direction let's just give them time before we all go full doom. and gloom.

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01 Aug 2018 11:21:30
Great sentiment there Johny. We have to have faith that they know what they are doing and the patience to let them see it through.

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01 Aug 2018 11:35:46
I will support and hope but cannot see Silva being here in three seasons.

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01 Aug 2018 13:37:33
why not dark cloud? am not guaranteed him her in 3 but what makes u think he won't be mate? before our last 3 managers we had one for what was it 11 seasons? if he fits he stays mate.

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01 Aug 2018 13:49:09
Johny, you're my kinda guy. šŸ˜‰

I have a feeling your daughter is looking down with a big happy smiley face knowing her dad is embracing every day and is looking forward to hearing all these stories about the blues from you. Live as many stories as you can.

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01 Aug 2018 14:24:05
that's lovely that bluejohnuns thanks mate.

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31 Jul 2018 23:33:11
Digne almost done next is mina talks going well I read just a midfield general 2 get an a striker then we have lift off
Coybs.

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31 Jul 2018 23:37:03
Could happen Tbone
I wouldnā€™t be too disappointed if Mina didnā€™t sign as long as we get another CB.

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01 Aug 2018 00:33:53
Gibson would be a good shout.

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31 Jul 2018 21:08:51
Last one of the day from me. just a little point. If I put a post on and even mention David Moyes. I get shouted down for bringing up the past and told it is time to move on etc. then I read the next post listing Joe Royal, Howard Kendall etc. erm? isn't that the past too?

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{Ed025's Note - there is a past, and a glorious past degsy, people who describe our team as taking a knife to a gunfight then leave and try to screw us dont count mate, just my opinion of course..

31 Jul 2018 21:38:33
Only because you are secretary of the 'I love moyes'group šŸ¤£.

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31 Jul 2018 21:47:11
Firstly Degsy, Kendall and Royle won stuff. Secondly nobody needs convincing that those two deserve all the praise they get and buckets more, but not everyone will say the same about Moyes.

Degs, youā€™re a great poster on this site. I always read your posts whether rolling my eyes or even nodding in agreement afterwards (but mainly rolling my eyes šŸ™„) . But this Moyes thing is what almost every other poster will link you with. But mate, thatā€™s ok because this site allows for opinion and of course banter.

So keep weighing in with yours and enjoy the stick you might get from the others. Weā€™re all chosen mate.

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31 Jul 2018 22:49:38
Ah it was just a point anyway. The past is the past. but we all see it differently. Of course I could not compare the great team of the mid 80's with Moyes' lot because there is no comparisson. but the past is the past and to be told to not keep looking back and then to be reminded that "if you know your history". it sort of makes me laugh. By the way, I am hopeful of progress this season. I just probably have less expectations than most others. It took Spurs years of going through what we are going through now. They bought some dross. Then were suddenly a half decent team by "one of their own" in Harry Kane. We had that opportunity with Rooney. but he decided to jump ship. What we need right now is a couple of "our own" coming through and that will make all the difference. Imagine Spurs without Kane now! They would be half the team they are!

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31 Jul 2018 23:19:33
True Degsy. Let's hope a Davies or Rooney JNR comes through and drags us up there.

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01 Aug 2018 08:10:35
I only reference them when you reference Moyes. I don't use them any other time.

I am so excited to see what happens again. And don't worry if he isn't our saviour I will add my discontent. The stuff already being said after 5, 6 weeks and a few preseason games is absolutely ridiculous.

However, I'm going to give this lot my backing and give them some breathing space before thinking negatively.

I know what you're saying Degsy. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you over recruitment at all. Even over the Moyes era either. Some people like May (Not sure who) and some people like Corbyn (again not sure who) but not everyone likes everyone.

I appreciated Moyes but I didn't like him. Royle and Kendall I did.

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01 Aug 2018 08:49:15
Hey guys. let's hope it all comes together over the next week. Just like we seem to be doing! COYBB (THE FIRST B IS FOR BRILLIANT)

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31 Jul 2018 18:32:38
Ed25, just curious on something. The club has bolasie, vilasic, and lookman, yet essentially buys another winger as first buy (although close to loaning out bolasie) . They are on the verge of making a lb their second buy. If we assume that both of these buys are improvements (I know little of either) , does it seem a little odd to you that we addressed these areas first rather than the CB and possibly CM positions, which are perceived as the weakest areas. In fact we have already released players from those positions? With Williams, jags and Keane struggling last season, and schneiderlin being woeful I'd have expected this to be the area (s) scrutinised by M&M first and then strengthened. Your thoughts?

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{Ed025's Note - i think you make a great point jcl, i believe richarlison was a gift from moshiri as he was someone that he really wanted, our defence does not look great and im sure the task of replacing them is in abeyance starting with digne, he seems to be having trouble recruiting top quality centre backs at the moment but im hoping this will be addressed sooner rater than later mate..

31 Jul 2018 19:55:42
Nice gift.

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31 Jul 2018 20:43:43
For some reason each successive manager has perserviered with Schneiderlin. I have no idea why? He has had a handful of good games in total. The left side needed addressing as well. I just hope that we can attract a decent center half or 2 and get the dynamic midfielder we all crave!

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31 Jul 2018 20:42:40
Thanks Eddie. do you think that it's the case of their prime targets keeping them hanging, e. g. mina. Do you think we have given those prime targets a deadline date, as I would also guess that our back up recruits won't appreciate being messed about too much.

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{Ed025's Note - i think its a case that their agents are doing their normal thing by trying to screw every club they can jcl, take mina for example, CH who was nowhere near the first team at barca but had a half decent world cup and is now being touted by the likes of us an man utd, prices are what they are of course but its bordering on the ridiculous because of the WC, its all about getting good players without being ripped off mate..

31 Jul 2018 20:58:28
Cheers Ed . apologies for the "Eddie". damn predictive text.

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{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..

31 Jul 2018 21:13:39
The club have been quite open in saying that other targets ended up going elsewhere and that theyā€™d only buy if who they bought in was better than what we have already. A sensible approach. Richarlison and Digne fit that. Thereā€™ll still be 3 weeks when we can ship the likes of Bolasie and Mirralis off to Europe. If a top quality CB had been available sooner, Iā€™m sure weā€™d have bought him. A lot can happen in a week - letā€™s hope it does!

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31 Jul 2018 17:52:05
If Silva is insistent on 3 at the back, with, say, Digne and Seamus lining up on the flanks, who'd we want in the middle? I'd say Jags isn't mobile enough, Keane's too inconsistent, and Williams shouldn't even be considered. Personally, I love the idea of Holgate. Is he ready though?

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31 Jul 2018 19:25:14
I think he didn't look out of place last year.

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31 Jul 2018 20:52:04
I'm hoping that Holgate gets plenty of chances this season. Believe he's a decent defender in the making and has a bit of pace.
Same goes for Calvert Lewin up front. I rate him too.

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31 Jul 2018 21:02:45
I agree with you there Tedster. Both have shown good maturity at such young starts. Hopefully both will get run outs this season and push on.

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31 Jul 2018 21:14:07
Think 4-3-3 is his preferred system.

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31 Jul 2018 21:17:14
Sure he said he prefers 4-3-3 formation.

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31 Jul 2018 22:43:10
I think he means 3 at the back, 2 CBs with the full backs pushing on and a defensive type sweeper in front of them.

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31 Jul 2018 23:17:08
I could be wrong but I think Lucas Digne has played CB in the past so if Silva did wish to play 3 at the back he could put a shift in
But you do think his preferred formation is 4-3-3.

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01 Aug 2018 07:16:48
That was my understanding too, Smit, and the reason why he makes such an issue of having a DM such as (noooooooooo! ) Schneiderlein to augment.

As Blue and BeStyrne point out, if it is 4 at the back, the pursuit of a left sided centre-half (Mina? ) and left-back (Digne) would make more sense.

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31 Jul 2018 12:55:56
Ed anything from your end we could make an offer for max meyler formally if schalke? Good creative midfielder I believe would bring a lot to the blues.

Heā€™s on a free isnā€™t he? Or bigger fish in for him Iā€™ve just read palace surely we are a bigger pull than them.

Everton the gear.

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

31 Jul 2018 15:45:05
Vardy even at his age go and get him! Along with Gibson (wouldnā€™t be my first choice) but heā€™s available and along side a good partner could be solid!

I know Vardy is wishful thinking however, imagine Vardy Richarlison and Walcott as a front 3. With Gana sig with another midfielder behind them (dendonker for me) not sure if heā€™s moved on or even available.

Then my back 4 would be. Coleman Gibson Keane Tierney.

With Pickford in goal.

We can all dream ay!

Everton the gear.

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31 Jul 2018 17:31:04
Keane, dream or get rid you mean, Keane has been awful pre-season, as he was most of last season, we need 2 new centre backs asap! Gibson and Mina would be good.

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31 Jul 2018 12:20:04
Seen palace singing max Meyer looks a good signing for them would of been worth a punt with easy profit in the future. Bolasie wonā€™t be going to palace if that deal goes through. I think we should move on from
Mina and go for Gibson S ed002 has suggested we need defensive signings ASAP and should have been done first imo as they need time to settle and some supporters donā€™t allow ghat.

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{Ed002's Note - Max Meyer's wage demands are well beyond what Everton would pay.}

31 Jul 2018 14:02:50
But palace can.

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31 Jul 2018 13:02:01
Are Palace able to offer wages we canā€™t Ed?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, they can offer more but he would still need to drop considerably from his asking price.}

31 Jul 2018 17:26:17
I read about him having some bipolar personality and being a bit of a strange one not too long ago lol.

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31 Jul 2018 17:56:22
JJ, sorry to bring you up on it mate, but bipolar's not exactly a laughing matter. Its boards like this that are a godsend to peeps like me whom - because of bipolar - have difficulty getting out.

Its fine to comment on his HAVING bipolar, but to chortle because of it? Nah, matey.

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31 Jul 2018 17:25:47
Seems strange Ed that a player who is asking for high wages is currently without a club. Without prying into the details, is he expecting too much or are the big payers put off by something other than what heā€™s asking for? It all seems a bit unusual.

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{Ed002's Note - He is askinf, far, far more than he is worth to any club - hence the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Bayern Munich and Marseille have dropped their interest.}

31 Jul 2018 18:48:12
Thanks Ed. If the amount a player is asking for discounts of those clubs, then the lad is either having poor advice from his representatives or itā€™s plain greed over ambition. Itā€™s not as if those clubs would offer poor wages.

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{Ed002's Note - He is not doing himself any good right now.}

31 Jul 2018 19:12:21
can somebody please explain how Crystal Palace can offer more? Strange one that.

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{Ed002's Note - It causes grief with those who have been misinformed about Everton being exempt from FFP for wages. So we steer clear of financial matters.}

31 Jul 2018 23:41:52
Has letting Rooney go helped matters? We have too many bit part players raking it in now - the likes of Jags, Williams, Bolasie and Mirralis must earn a fortune between them. Unless we can shift a couple weā€™re held back in the market.

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{Ed002's Note - He was an enormous financial burden and that has been reduced, although not disappeared, with him moving on.}

31 Jul 2018 23:42:16
it's simple really we have a massive wage bill that needs reducing and they dont, not rocket science is it.

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31 Jul 2018 07:18:58
I know I should be trying to stay positive and all that but is anybody else worried. Seems like we're getting further and further away from where we want to be every year. Squad is miles behind others and can't see much changing bar a miricle, can't attract the players we need, Probably got the worst defence I've ever seen in my time, And now I'm getting the sinking feeling our keepers head has been turned. Anybody got any good news?

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{Ed025's Note - we wont be as bad as you think you know kingy, a lot of our problems have been down to individual errors and lack of concentration plus a very negative playing style, im hoping silva will address a lot of these problems mate and we can make some progress..

31 Jul 2018 08:14:40
The manager and DOF have recognised, instead of ignoring, the areas we need to strengthen like LB, CB and on the wings.

We are now playing a more progressive football style which with more practice should see us more attractive to watch.

We've just bought what looks like an absolute steal of a player that should get you off your seat.

A new LB after years of inaction in this area.

A CB as a priority signing instead of going for 3 no10.

Stadium progressing nicely.

Positive changes in the boardroom and management levels at the club.

Cracking owner with genuine ambition with the funds and will to make things happen.

Decent kit this year.

1st home game of the summer just 4 days away!

Plenty to be positive about kingy. šŸ˜‰.

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31 Jul 2018 08:37:31
Cracking post BJU. Glass half full? You need to watch you donā€™t spill any mate.

Itā€™s a really good point about the key areas of concern. Recognising where to strengthen is clear to see and the fact that we are actively doing something about it bodes well for the future.

That may mean a difficult pre season and even more difficult start but we canā€™t get too hung up on how our squad looks during a window. Judge it when it shuts.

We have almost got two of our targets and we look very active in getting more.

Man U and Spurs are having a much harder time if you listen to their managers in getting their targets this summer so you have to applaud the business we have already done.

There are plenty of positives out there, their not hard to find.

Are we going backwards? Well even the nicest cars have to drop down a gear to get over a hill.

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31 Jul 2018 08:45:03
I would expect our squad to be behind others due to the changes in management and playing style.
we will sign a few more i am sure of that, yes they will need time to gel so let's see where we are are at the end of November and not panic just yet.

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31 Jul 2018 09:17:43
Here is a question for you positive guys to ponder. With all the positive things going on that BJU lists and points out, would you rather have a drop to the Championship as long as all the progress listed takes place. or would you rather stay in the Premiership and do without say a new stadium or decent kit? This is obviously a hypothetical question and not saying we will go down. I am just trying to ascertain how much people see as positive and is remaining in the Premiership the top priority?

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31 Jul 2018 10:15:16
It's a silly question degsyp as it's nowhere close to being one thing or the other.
We are moving in the right direction and will have more signings before the window closes.
I'm confident that soon you will need to come up with new things to constantly barrage us with as most of what you say will have been addressed.

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31 Jul 2018 10:39:08
Sounda like their training has been very intense too! As much as people say ā€œIts their job to run around, i'd do it for how much they get paidā€ the body can only handle so much before getting fatigued. Impossible not to carry it in to games as the body tires.

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31 Jul 2018 12:26:41
bw2412v2.0, yes it was a sort of silly question. but so is blind faith. Blind faith causes lots of problems and I just wondered what the priorities are of some posters. Mine is definately staying in the Premiership. even if it means playing less attractive football. in the short term.

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31 Jul 2018 12:46:01
True Degsy but many proved last season with there bad attitude towards the manager that they do not think about the consequences of trying to play the kind of football we are not cabable of at the moment.

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31 Jul 2018 12:50:45
Degsy, the cost of the stadium and new shirts has no bearing on staying in the premiership so i have to agree with those above. It is a bit of a nothing question.
Less attractive football? What does that even mean? .
Less attractive than Martinez? Koeman? Allardyce?
I am sure you are alluding to Big Sams less attractive displays, well he rarely completed a full preseason and then a season in the league, so how he would perform in todays game for a couple of seasons is anyones guess. He is good at what he does, rescues then frustrates.
Brands is here to get us our identity back, which has been ripped from us by the last few managers. If that happens by playing the Guardiola way or the Simeone way, i don't care, What i want is to go into every game with the feeling that it is winnable. It is with that approach our great club will collect its next Trophy, whatever trophy that may be.

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31 Jul 2018 13:36:50
Degsyp. If blind faith is thinking that the club is moving in the right direction then I'm all for it rather than constantly running down the club and the manager before they've even had a any proper games in the league.


It's time you realised they are not ever going to appoint you as manager. Get over it and get behind the team.

Dark Clouds - do you really think your posts show a good attitude to the team and the manager? Telling them they are not capable? You've missed your calling as a motivational speaker.

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31 Jul 2018 13:45:16
Wow lots of comments and questions. I will attempt to answer/ respond. No I was not alluding to Big Sams in particular. I just see lots of very positive posts on here explaining how everything is rosey. Just like I did when Koeman took over. Just like I did when Martinez took over. Not so much with Moyes nor Sam. Again in Walter Smith's take over. The one common thing I notice as a football supporter is that there is indeed blind faith. Anyone who questions or does not agree with all the ones with "blind faith". get ridiculed or insulted or ignored. Whilst all the ones with blind faith pat each other on the back and say things like, "well said. or I agree 100%" But usually there are positives and negatives in life. My total positive is the desire to play in the Premiership (Everton) . I don't give a rats backside how attractive we play at the moment. I don't care about the kit. Nor a "cracking" new owner. I don't even desire "a progressive" new style of football at this stage. I desire wins. Nice football follows. I half suspect that we will indeed play some terrible football this year. I also suspect that the "blind faith" brigade will be the first to throw their toys out the pram and start asking for the manager to be sacked. My experience in football told me a while back that too many changes too quickly disrupts and causes chaos. I said as much a few years back when it all started after Moyes. Too many ins and outs. players and managers. Yet here we are still with no straight replacements for Baines, Jags and Coleman. Moyes players. Moyes left in 2013. that's 5 years to sort their replacements. Poor by Everton in my opinion. We will see this progressive football for what its worth and I will be delighted to be proved wrong. But I suspect the same players used by Allardyce will perform in exactly the same way as they did under Allardyce, Unsworth and Koeman. pretty poor overall. let's revew in 5 games hey?

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31 Jul 2018 14:53:44
Sorry last bit was meant to say under Silva.

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31 Jul 2018 15:12:12
I was just having a bit of a sulk didnā€™t mean to start a heated debate Iā€™ll back them regardless because thatā€™s what we do. Itā€™s can be really frustrating sometimes tho.

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31 Jul 2018 15:53:17
We are supporters, we should support who wears the shirt, which I agree is very nice this year
Is it blind faith? Hmmm not really itā€™s looking for the positives and looking at the change. Wouldā€™ve been nice for Farhad to stroll in and wave his magic wand and everything be amazing thrashing teams left right and centre but it doesnā€™t work like that, itā€™s new territory but heā€™s trying to do what he can, mistakes have been made and there will probably be more.
We wonā€™t be a relegation threatened team and we wonā€™t challenge the top 4 this season, what will happen is Silva and Brands will overhaul the team and drive the CLUB as a whole forward.
We have invested wisely in Richarlison who is young exciting and a real talent and hopefully we stay clear of stars in the twilight of their careers
So I know itā€™s difficult but letā€™s stay positive get behind the team even when times are tough and push them on in the upcoming season!

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31 Jul 2018 16:36:47
I think what you will find Degsy is most posters on here agree if they agree with something and disagree if they disagree with something. Its kind of how the site works.
I think certain posters take not being agreed with to heart.
Then we see the delete my account posts or i'm going away for a few weeks posts. So be it. If people can't take the site for what it is then i am not going to waste my time consoling them. As for ignoring, not sure how you would know that as not everyone logs on all the time.
This is an opinions site, i like the banter and a lot of my posts are hypothetical or sarcastic, dependant on whether i'm posting or replying. Or what mood i'm in.
If i post something and someone says well done i agree. Great. If someone says they disagree. Great, each to their own.
None of us are correct all the time and none of us have the correct view all the time.
Personally i try to put as much positive spin on things (thats who i am) but like anyone, i do have a breaking point.

Try not to take this site too seriously pal.

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31 Jul 2018 17:54:57
Not having a dig here but it amazes me how little some people know about football.

Where in any league in the world does it prove that playing unattractive football guarantees you stay up or win a trophy?

I will point to Real, Man City, Bayern, PSG, Barcelona even the other top 5 in our league as what good football can produce.

However, if you want to use Palace, Burnley, Stoke, in fact you get the gist as your barometer for success or even staying up it is madness. They all eventually fall and never achieve anything.

Look at what good football does achieve and want our club to use it.

For me Degsy you're David Moyes mk2. You believe this is what we are and all we can be.

I'm still a Rolye or Kendall who believes we are more and can be more. These two taught me as an Evertonian to only want to be the best. To believe in our moto at all costs. Anything less is Liverpool.

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31 Jul 2018 19:43:50
Bw I am not talking to the team, but when watching games I allways support no matter what, more than I can say for many Evertonians.
The attitude last season must have effected the players even though it was aimed at the manager. I was ashamed and if I could have spoken to the players I would have apologised to them for the bad attitude of the fans.
In this forum yes I criticise a lot but never during the game, can you say that?

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31 Jul 2018 19:49:09
Good post degsyp! Whilst I donā€™t agree with all your comments I fully appreciate where you are coming from and will always have a good look at both sides of an opinion / argument. I was once like you interms on not being interested in our style of play just the game points but my youngest is now 7 and I despair gaming the match watching rubbish and not being entertained as itā€™s a complete turn off for him etc. donā€™t get me wrong mate give me a couple of seasons and I will probably snap your hands off for 3 point 1-0 drab wins. BJU Iā€™m also like you I terms of NSNO but trust me. Kendall lost the league and FA Cup final to our rivals (something Iā€™ve never truly got over) so even our super heroes arenā€™t infallible!

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{Ed025's Note - maybe so blu but they one thing going for them, they believed in everton and refused to accept second best, BJU hit the nail on the head for me and after all this is an entertainment industry, yes the odd 1-0 win in a scrappy game is acceptable once in a while but would you want to see it every week even if it meant staying in the prem?..well not me mate i hope and think everton are better than that..

31 Jul 2018 20:27:26
No Ed your 100% right . they are basically Millionaire jesters entertaining us! NSNO means so much to me thatā€™s why sometimes I can get irritated when people back the likes of Niasse, Klaasen, Alardyce (to name a few) when imo they simply are not good enough. I am more than realistic understanding our place at the football table at the present moment - cause we are in ā€˜transitionā€™, I would take a good cup run this year Ed and then slowly but surely. regain our rightful place at the summit of English Football.

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{Ed025's Note - i think thats what we all aspire to blu but we have to be in this for the long haul. we are in transition whatever anyone thinks and it will obviously take a bit of time mate..

31 Jul 2018 19:08:12
For what its worth I enjoyed all those posts. The only bit I disagree with is the bit about running the club down all the time. I have supported the club all my life. I even supported Sam Allardyce for what he tried to achieve. My support has never wavered. My question was about the opposite of what some people seem to think is my view. but it is not. I do agree that we have signed a very promising youngster. I also agree that our football was unbearable last season. but I put that down to lack of playing staff. I also think we will do ok. not brilliant. but ok. Unless. and here is the biggy. the managers football philosophy is unachievable with the players we have. That depends on the next week and who we sign. Our current defenders are poor. (yes Coleman isnt) . Whether Holgate can cut it is also important. Martina is not good enough. Williams is not good enough. Jags is no longer good enough. Baines is struggling to reach the levels he once achieved. The youth players such as Kenny are not YET good enough. Our problem last season was we needed to score 2 or more often to get a result because we leaked goals. Unless we sign some decent defenders, that will be true this season. that's when you find out who are real supporters. not on a banter site during the closed season when we can all dream. that's my view anyway.

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31 Jul 2018 20:49:10
Some great posts and replies from this. And yes me too I would prefer to be hammering teams 5 nil every week with great football. I just worry a little bit that we are so intent on ridding ourselves of the Allardyce negativity, that we are looking for something that the current squad of players are incapable of. We will see 5 games in how things are starting. I will delightfully eat my hat and my underpants if my guess is wrong. I suspect that unless we sort the defence and center mid issues, we will be in high scoring games indeed. but not winning many.

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31 Jul 2018 20:59:38
Ed do you think we might get a ā€˜left fieldā€™ surprise next Thursday in our Transfers? I know MB seems to be doing very private business which I for one embrace so at the moment they are all pretty much ā€˜left fieldā€™ but Iā€™m talking a Zaha / Batshuayi / Werner (swap him for Lookman all day) type of transfer? Even a left feild out? Wallcot / Baines etc. your thoughts!

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{Ed025's Note - it would certainly not surprise me blu, the next week or so could be very interesting and im sure there will be a couple of big names coming in, hopefully of the defensive kind mate..

31 Jul 2018 21:16:08
They said the same about Royle's team in 95 Degsy. A team bereft of talent. He nurtured belief and a DOGGED determination in them.

However, when they could they would turn on the style. In the Semi final of the FA Cup they had already wrote us off. The Klinsmann final they said for us all to get ready for.

Instead he let the whole team off their leash and we completely played them off the park. In the final we new what we had to do. We played containment and tight. We got a goal and that was that.

Any team including this one can play football in most styles. All it takes is a manager worth his salt, a team WILLING to learn and then a determintation to see it through. These players are not lacking the quality to do it. Some lack the determination which i think we all know who they are and some just don't fit.

However, it does take time. The manager will take time to get his views over but it will happen. At some point it clicks.

Martinez first season was the best football ever in the EPL era with any of our managers after Royle.

Koeman's last 6 month of his first season was the best we've ever seen at home. If you had a season ticket then you must agree. Second only to Barcelona in Eurpoe in points and goals at home. The WHOLE of Europe.

Silva is the new man in charge. It's now time to give our support. Every ounce of it. Don't dwell on the past and focus on the future. Over the coming season and next we have the people to make it happen.

NSNO.

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31 Jul 2018 21:19:39
Degsyp I agree with a lot of your post, regardless of what you think of the previous managers it's pretty much the same players, at what point are fans going to realise this and stop giving them a free pass.

I think that a lot of the players don't have the ability to play the way that Koeman wanted to play or the intelligence under Martinez to shut up shop when we were in the lead and yet we change the manager and the players keep making the same mistakes, but its not their fault!

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31 Jul 2018 22:24:50
I disagree Sidney, what type of play did Koeman instil into Everton? .
The high press he promised when he left Southampton? No. Burnleys low block and win it on a set piece? No.
Arsenal or Bournemouths or Mrtinezs tippy happy football? No.
He sorted the defence but had Lukakau on the end of the ball to score. Once he went Koemans plan of productivity through the squad never materialised.

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01 Aug 2018 04:56:02
Dark Clouds You are like the guy in the pub that runs down someone and then as soon as they walk in you are fawning all over them and wanting to buy them a pint.


I'm trying to give Marco and Marcel time to make a difference and will also be shouting for the team when the match starts.

The two of them have a difficult enough job as it is without people getting on their backs even before the season has started. Try cutting them some slack. This is a long term problem and it will take a long time to put right.

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31 Jul 2018 00:32:52
Ed25 - if you were silva who would you sell?

Also who ideally would you buy (realistically) ?

Personally I would show the door to
Williams
Coco
Snider
Pennington (donā€™t think he will make it at prem level)

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{Ed025's Note - williams, keane and schneiderlin would go for me yorkie, the first two because they lose concentration too easily and make frequent mistakes, schneiderlin because of his attitude and he can take mirallas with him, i would of took a punt on alfie mawson or broke the bank for toby alderweireld myself mate, we also need a box to box midfielder and a creative one but who that would be escapes me at the moment, i would have liked marco arnautovic or batshuai on loan but i suppose thats just being greedy..

31 Jul 2018 08:17:20
Batshuyi definitely mate, still a chance fingers x.

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31 Jul 2018 08:40:50
For those supporting Alfie Masson to Everton, itā€™s reported on BBC sport that Fulham have a 20M bid in for him.

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{Ed002's Note - Sky Sports must be well behind the times. The clubs have been in discussions for more than a week and the move is already agreed subject to a medical and personal terms. He wasn't going to move to Everton. The efforts should concentrate Ben Gibson as there is interest now coming from a third side.}

31 Jul 2018 12:47:28
He sighned for only Ā£15 mill according to sky.

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31 Jul 2018 13:17:27
The reason the Alfie Mawson bid was not accepted until this point is simple. He has preferred destinations and waiting what transpires at Everton.

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31 Jul 2018 07:07:54
If it's true 30m for Rojo who is injury prone and 28yrs old is far too steep.
So it looks like Mina to utd for less money, younger and fitter and we get Rojo.

Hmmmm. mawson for 20m and we still have change!

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31 Jul 2018 08:23:04
Why should we fund United's purchase of mine by buying Dojo. Stay clear.

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31 Jul 2018 09:19:06
He would be sent off every week playing for us. Gets away with murder at Utd.

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Review Of The Day 31st July 2018

31 Jul 2018 06:25:39
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 31st July 2018

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31 Jul 2018 02:36:41
Sky sports / Manchester evening News:

Manchester United fans might have been sent a transfer hint following Yerry Mina's recent social media activity. The Colombia international followed United's official club account as well as Antonio Valencia and Paul Pogba on his Instagram account.

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31 Jul 2018 01:09:54
Please, please, please, not another unt reject, do we never learn, they do not let players go who are top class performers, either injury prone, personal problems, or ones who have simple failed to fullfill their potential.
Simple really, if their not good enough for them, then their not good enough for us, we are not a retierment home for manchester unt failiours.

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31 Jul 2018 09:15:03
Tim Howard?

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31 Jul 2018 09:30:44
Phil Neville did pretty well for us.

I take your point on Rojo though. As someone else in here said, heā€™s basically Funes Mori, but three times the price.

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31 Jul 2018 12:53:00
Errr Kanchelkis.

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31 Jul 2018 00:39:16
To be fair Iā€™m not a fan of Rojo but compared to our Cb he is like an Olympic sprinter!

One of our biggest problems is getting turned on the break, if you have a slow defence they will naturally start to creep further and further back towards your keeper no matter what tactics are set out,

At the time I thought Williams would have been good for us when we signed him but sadly not!

Bring back Per korldrup.

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{Ed004's Note - I think with the right cb partner Rojo could do a very good job for Everton. Injuries have been a big problem for him though}

31 Jul 2018 03:24:50
I'd have Rojo, fast, decent in the air and a bit of a nasty streak. Him and Mina would be good, sell Keane, Jags and Holgate as back up.

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31 Jul 2018 09:16:26
Think we could do a lot worse than Rojo personally. Silvaā€™s worked with the lad before so might get a tune out of him. Heā€™s quick and tough - we need a bit of that!

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{Ed002's Note - Silva has not worked with Rojo before. In actuality Rojo, who was at that point tied up in a legal issue over an assault, refused to train for Silva in order to force a move away from Sporting.}

31 Jul 2018 09:52:49
My mistake then Ed. Read a misleading article.
That would make him an unlikely signing then.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not sure if it makes him unlikely or not, but from my perspective there is a better and far more sensible route to address the CB issue in looking to Ben Gibson - particularly now there is growing interest.}

31 Jul 2018 10:10:36
Iā€™d be very happy with that Ed
Any news on this Gonalons lad from Roma?
Know nothing about him.

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{Ed002's Note - Gonalons was well liked at Nice and Arsenal had an interest a few years ago. He is close to 30 now and was a bit part player at Roma - could be considered to be a reasonable Schneiderlin replacement. Roma has made a lot of changes this summer and are looking to sell a few more players to bring a couple more in and as such have been offering him around. There is certainly tentative interest from Everton and Crystal Palace.}

31 Jul 2018 12:57:02
Do us a favour Ed, ring someone at Everton and persuade them to buy Gibson. That way you won't have us moaning on any longer about who were buying, and we get a decent player. Its a win win situation.

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31 Jul 2018 13:03:28
One to watch then. Cheers Ed.

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