Everton Banter Archive January 03 2017

 

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03 Jan 2017 22:19:44
I enjoyed the game against the saints and it shows we are starting to movd in the right direction.

One thing I've been saying all season is how important it is to get that first goal. I think we've won the most points this season in the EPL when going behind but when we take the lead we tend to see the game through and so much more in control of things.

Some good performances as well with Barkley and Davies looking like they're made for each other. Davies energy over Barry's lack of pace is nice and refreshing but against better opposition I wonder if some of his nievity will be punished. He will get better but needs to tempered with a bit of caution and some forgiveness from fans.

At the back Mori's pace is needed ahead of Jags lack of it but for his few failings that pace makes us so much dangerous from the back. It also pushes Williams a little further up the pitch instead of dragging the defence back through fear of being out run.

Finally I think we need someone for that righthand side as Lennon and Ged don't offer enough over 90 mins. Lennon's distribution is awful and we don't need two right backs which he basically thinks he is.

Nice change now with the FA Cup. I love this round with potential shocks. As for us Leicester don't scare me and I expect us to go through.

COYB NSNO IRKWT IKWT IFMWT.

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03 Jan 2017 19:56:06
Ed my reply to Degsy's post below, please tell you have it and it didn't get lost. Took a while to write. Definitely sealed it at the end. Sometimes posts don't go through. Very seldom but it does happen. Page has been updated a couple of times since.

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03 Jan 2017 20:13:12
Thank you.

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{Ed002's Note - Always there in tour history anyway NVTBSRTBTN.}

03 Jan 2017 17:22:54
I've said this before and I think it is worth re-iterating players recruited in January need time to bed in so expecting a big impact this season is not rational. We have played 20 games so far and have two more games in January before the window closes. Assuming that most of the deals will be done late in the window then we have 16 games left after the window closes. The new players will take time to be integrated into the team so realistically they will impact about 12 games (March onwards) . Don't get me wrong, this could be important, but we also need the existing players (those not sold in January) to show a significant improvement if we have any chance of getting into Europe this year.
Having said that it also points out that the last thing we need at the present time is panic buying. If we can't get the players Koeman and Walsh have identified then we should wait until the summer and supporters need to be patient.

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03 Jan 2017 21:16:41
Not entirely true. Gana has been one of our best players from the 1st game without any transition period. Maybe defenders might need some time but forwards should not take as long.

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03 Jan 2017 21:57:04
Well Gana joined on the 2nd Aug. and had his first game on the 14th Aug. so he had almost two weeks training with the team so I rest my case.

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03 Jan 2017 23:28:57
OK but 2 weeks training is not 12 games and he has performed from the 1st minute. Arteta joined in january and helped us into the champions league and many others have helped their teams beat relegation or win the title. If your theory was correct then nobody would buy anybody in January and it would be pointless having the January window, why purchase a player who is only going to have an impact for the last 4 games.

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04 Jan 2017 01:19:17
Who said anything about four games. The point I was making is that it takes time for players to bed in especially those from overseas. The expectation that the new players coming in during the January transfer period will make a huge difference to the outcome of this season is just unrealistic. I hope that I am wrong but time will tell.

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03 Jan 2017 18:27:35
To break away from the transfer talk: Do we know any details for the upcoming General Meeting?

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03 Jan 2017 18:47:06
Hi Hugo there's a copy of what is expected from the A G M in the Echo on line cheers. GuernseyBlue.

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03 Jan 2017 18:51:42
Believe 6pm tomorrown.

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03 Jan 2017 15:33:01
Hi Ed and all fellow posters, I eat humble pie I posted yesterday after the match that it was a poor game, I have now watched the match for the second time and I have to say it was far from a poor match in fact most of the lads put in a good shift so, sorry for saying it was poor in the heat of the moment yesterday I got carried away, a few recruits in the window and we will e fine, cheers all Blues, GuernseyBlue.

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03 Jan 2017 17:34:54
Fair enough GuernseyBlue. Only seen it the once and I also said it was a bad 80mins. It wasn't because of effort. It wasn't that pleasant to watch imho. That's not taking away from the players.

They did put the effort in. Fantastic to see them get their reward near the end. In the derby I thought they also deserved to get a point. Thankfully yesterday their effort was well rewarded.

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03 Jan 2017 17:49:19
Hey

. as I mentioned earlier, steps in the right direction, more energy, more cohesion. still a long way to go fair enough but hey. I remember not so long ago we were losing games on a regular basis in the last 15/ 20 minutes. COYB

Mart.

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03 Jan 2017 18:40:54
I agree Smithm8. Things are definitely improving and I'm delighted with the way things are going. The last 5 games have been brilliant for the club. a.

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03 Jan 2017 11:16:51
Really pleased with the win, but I was more pleased the way the crowd acknowledged Ross when he was taken off. You could see he was standing 10 foot tall and soaking it in. It can only give him more confidence. It also helped that Davies was with him. Would have liked to see Holgate and I'm sure he will get his opportunities. Young Calvert Lewin looked very lively until injured. So the future is bright if we Everton so called supporters, support and not bag or boo the young lads.

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03 Jan 2017 12:44:25
Couldn't agree more Aussie Toffee. Wellzee Sunshine Coast.

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03 Jan 2017 10:48:16
Message to NBTB, Hey mate you said I did not answer your post below. I assume you meant the ones re Barry being 5 yards slow and whether he and Holgate and another youngster (cant remember which one you said) were good or bad signings? I will go throught this now: Barry was literally 5 yards behind Hazard and another Chelsea midfielder a couple of seasons ago. No exageration. He lost the ball when we were in an attacking position on the edge of their box with about 10 mins to go. He tried to chase back but by the time Hazard had played a one two and got to our box, Barry was 5 yrds behind. I know Hazard is one of the quickest premier players. but this was 2 or 3 seasons ago. I watch Barry now and he has not got quicker that is for sure. Was he a good signing? Well he had a great season and almost single handedly kept us up. Should we have offered him a new contract? Maybe as cover for young Davies who should now be getting more game time. Holgate really looks good to me. I think maybe you have misunderstood my points? We have a very ageing squad. We have plenty of promising youngsters who may develop into great players. But most successful teams have a core set of players at their peak! The peak of a premiership player is usually 26 to 30. We have a couple in this category but more below and more above those years. I am useless at explaining myself at times and people misunderstand me, so apologies mate. This was what I was trying to say. Hope that makes sense? I was not trying to say Barry is rubbish or anything like that. Just that our squad is too old and Barry was better probably 4 seasons ago and really is on his last legs and should not be considered more than a support player now in my opinion.

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03 Jan 2017 13:10:57
Agree Degs. No matter how well players done in the past this is a business and every player has his sell by date. Sadly for Barry midfield is probably the hardest place to play once your legs are going. I appreciate what he has done for us, but it's now time to move on. Still think we need a quality creative midfielder to support Ross as Davies needs a bit more time imo. Think if they got schneiderlin then he would be the perfect replacement for Barry.

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03 Jan 2017 13:34:40
I think RK sees that as well degs, hence we are seeing less and less of Barry on the field. He is too slow, this was highlighted most for me against that shower of s£! te when he came on for Macca, then I realised just how much he was holding us back rather than taking us forward. But he has served us well and can still in helping the youngsters progress.

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03 Jan 2017 13:48:19
Agree Degsy with everything you say. Watching Davies yesterday he obviously has a lot of talent and played well but he also made a lot of side passes when he should have been thinking about moving the ball forward. The more he plays the more confident he will become to take chances and not make these safe side passes. As far as Barry and Jags are concerned they are just too slow, maybe OK for a few minutes at the end of games but that is all. I just hope that we can bring in a few players who are at their peak and not just players who are not good enough to get into sides like United.

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03 Jan 2017 13:48:19
Agree Degsy with everything you say. Watching Davies yesterday he obviously has a lot of talent and played well but he also made a lot of side passes when he should have been thinking about moving the ball forward. The more he plays the more confident he will become to take chances and not make these safe side passes. As far as Barry and Jags are concerned they are just too slow, maybe OK for a few minutes at the end of games but that is all. I just hope that we can bring in a few players who are at their peak and not just players who are not good enough to get into sides like United.

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03 Jan 2017 17:25:54
I agree with most that post Degsy. He obviously has the best years behind him. As for the Hazard thing I'll to take your word on it being 5 yards.

We have a good few players in the older category. We also have a good few in the younger category. Lukaku and Barkley are big players yet still only 22 or 23. Stones that left also. We have some good younger players too. Holgate, Galloway, Davies, DCL etc.

That was the point I was making. While we have our fair share of older players we also have our fair share of young players. The middle is the problem. As you say 26-30.

This I would imagine will be rectified over the next couple of windows.

No need for apology's. The reason I mentioned Holgate and Galloway in the other thread is because they were signed by Martinez. You the only good signing he had was Lukaku.

I'm far from a fan of Martinez. Never wanted him and never believed in him. Even though I still supported our team. He left the club in an awful state.

What I don't agree with was that Lukaku was his only good signing. Barry, Holgate and Galloway were signed under Martinez time here and were good signings in my humble opinion.

I'm not sticking up for Martinez. I try to keep things as realistic as possible. Even though I never wanted him at Everton doesn't mean I'm going to criticise all he done.

He was under constraints while here compared to the current set up. It appears we have more money to spend and are in a healthier position since Mishori came.

Lennon, Del and Clev were value when bought imho. Don't get me wrong they don't look like having a future at Everton. But the point is they were value at the time.

Clev for free which if sold will be profit. Del for something like £4.5m and Lennon for around the same. Although they didn't and probably never will set fires a light at Goodison, can we critise Martinez that much for signing them?

Imho, no. Hindsight is very easy to look at things. Looking back now I don't think Martinez signings were as bad as people are making out.

Mainly because what alternatives players could he of bought for similar prices? Holgate and Galloway hardly ever get mentioned when talking about Martinez signings.

The reason I didn't want Martinez was because if his style of play, tactics, team selection, falling out with players. Namely Distin and Mirallas.

Pretty much everything with Martinez I didn't like but some signings he made were ok. It's very easy to point the finger and say he signed bad players. If I remember correctly we weren't a wash with money.

His signings imho were OK overall. Everything else bad.

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03 Jan 2017 22:54:17
I guess we will have to agree to disagree mate. I will accept that not everything he did was bad. but you keep saying Holgate and Galloway were good signings. As yet they have not proven themselves. Perhaps they will? Perhaps they wont? Lennon, Del and Clev? My view on all is average to poor. Ok they didn't cost much. but . and it is a big but. Walter Smith ran the club at break even on transfers for about 6 years. Moyes ran it in profit for 11 years and left a very strong squad that needed some youngsters (which Martinez did bring in) and some more 23 to 26 year olds coming to their peak. In fact he signed Barry, Eto'o, Alcaraz, Kone and others that aged the squad. and at a loss of some few million. I don't want to go over old ground yet again for the umpteenth time, but he did not see or make allowances for replacing our retiring players. You could say Moyes left us with an ageing squad. which to some degree is true. but Martinez then did nothing to combat this. he actually compounded the issue. I got into some very heated debates on this and was accused of being negative and sometimes not even an Evertonian which upset me a great deal. Icould see the problem developing. don't get me wrong about Lennon in particular. He has overperformed in my opinion. But his end product often is lacking. Del Boy lookslike a boy most of the time and under achieves. Cleverly is one of those who gives 100% but does he ever create a goal or score? Hardly ever. Same as Del. So I don't agree that his signings were ok overall. I think our squad is much weaker than the one he inherited (Lukaku excepted) and yet he spent much more than the previous 2 managers. But I respect your view and if you think the squad is as good as the one he inherited, then that's ok with me. I am coming up for the Man City game if you fancy a beer? I don't get up so often these days living in Cornwall but would be delighted to buy you one! My debating partner!

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03 Jan 2017 23:20:41
My main point with Holgate and Galloway is they were young players he signed. Not yet made it but have shown positive signs.

I'm not saying Del, Lennon and Clev are great players. I mean the circumstances that Martinez was in they were decent enough and from a financial view made good business sense.

The age thing I think is tricky. Every year we all get older! Players in and out of the club is a revolving door and there is so much to consider.

I thoroughly agree with you about Smith and Moyes. Loved them both.

Nothing would make me happier than having a beer with you Degsy. Thing is I live in Ireland. Sorry if it comes across like I pretend to be from Liverpool. I don't intentionally do that if it comes across that way.

I post regularly because I'm a true blue and have been all my life. It's just a passion I have. It seems the older I get the more passionate I get. Don't get to many games but very rarely miss watching one. Love the banter on this site. Glad I came across it.

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03 Jan 2017 23:20:42
Really good post NBTB. You can add Robles and Besic to that as well. For the money he bought them for they have been good buys.

You get what you pay for and is why looking forward we should all feel rather excited after the next couple of windows the type of player we may have.

As for the players Koeman inherited they are improving under him and may turn out to be better than they would have under Martinez. The ones that don't won't be here for long.

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04 Jan 2017 08:18:37
NBTB you are as Blue as me. I know that. No need to apologise for where you live. I am the same now retired in Cornwall. Yes Besic was a good other signing BJU. Robles. yes ok maybe. But to sum up. squad is now older, weaker (my opinion) and cost a lot more than previous ones. I would say Koeman's signings to date are better than Martinez's if that helps get my point across. And Koeman said it was a bad window for him. Gueye, Williams, Valencia and Stekers already an improvement. Calvert-Lewin for the future. But Koeman does need some 25 - 28 year olds in now at their peaks. Watch this space. And let me know next time you are over and I will try and get to the game for a real heated debate over that pint! I do get quite animated over Everton FC.

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04 Jan 2017 08:53:50
Yes BlueJohnUns, that's what I'm getting at too. Same players imho play better under Koeman. Totally agree.

I agree Degsy that Koeman has made better signings so far. No doubt about that. We will meet for a beer. No doubt about the passion for Everton FC on this site either!

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03 Jan 2017 00:38:05
Just thinking out loud, but, IMHO, the keeper has done enough, to keep his place. Some good stops, plus, his command of his area seems to have improved, along with his decision making.

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03 Jan 2017 05:58:48
Well he's kept 2 clean sheets in 3 starts which speaks for itself in my opinion.

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03 Jan 2017 08:33:18
He has never really made huge clangers or likewise super impressed. He will do for now in my opinion. We seem tohave 2 keepers who are on a par.

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03 Jan 2017 10:59:03
Maybe Stekelenburg joining has provided some good competition for the place and Joel is now shining.

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03 Jan 2017 12:18:19
Joel I feel deserves his place for the rest of the season, you never know with keepers, Joel does have good reactions and maybe the rest will come now.
We must however be on the look out for a new keeper come the summer as to get to the top of the prem you need a top class keeper and Joel has yet to prove this.

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