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03 Nov 2012 22:00:24
Bitter disapointment afder a great perfomance, but forth in the league afder 10 games, only one defeat,. plus robbed of six points by piss poor refs. Play like to-day and who knows what we might do ?
Well things could be worse like like being way down the table like the bitter reds.
03 Nov 2012 21:17:28
Yes we should have won today, and yes another defensive error. BUT WE ARE 4th!! After 10 games. We have only lost one match. And we are missing our key defensive midfielder. Our goal this season is to qualify for Europe maybe even CL. So assessment after the first quarter is....?
Mission accomplished, now lets fight to stay fourth and earn the right to play in Europe next season.
COYB
Toffee ace {Ed025's Note - love it ace...and remember, we get better as the season goes on....have ittt!
03 Nov 2012 20:30:39
a few people having a go at neville again today.ive made my feelings known on this site a few times about our skipper.anyway all i wanted to say was did you see what shandy andy said about neville in his book which the red echo reproduced in dave prentices column last night? jimmy {Ed025's Note - no mate..i dont buy the red echo mate..
Neither do i mate me bird does mate i just read it sorry read anything about us thats worth reading.gotta read something while eating your tea mate.jimmy {Ed025's Note - fair enough jimbo...but stick it in the bog next time mate...thats its rightful place...
Your right ed .to be honest with you she only buys it for the deaths columns shes a right professional mourner. who still thinks people die in alphabetical order.jimmy {Ed025's Note - ha ha....love it jimbo..
03 Nov 2012 19:12:48
everton were superb today, so unlucky not to win, people should be made up how the team is performing instead of having a go. we need to stop conceding early goals though
school of science {Ed025's Note - i agree mate...when we were playing defensive football, but scraping wins, the supporters were moaning(me included)now we are playing free flowing attractive football, they still moan!!...ok , so we have had a couple of draws too many, but hey, i am so proud of the way we are playing, and the plaudits we are getting from the pundits...its a great time to be an evertonian guys,,,,JUST ENJOY IT!!
I agree mate. I cant stand these people who moan about anything.
Mike {Ed025's Note - love it mike..
03 Nov 2012 18:45:18
Once Gibson is back that will hopefully help to our defence out a bit more and we will stop conceding so many goals! But until he's back why not at distin as a defensive midfielder! He will add strength and pace to the position both of which we are currently lacking in the middle!
I honestly hope to god you are joking.
toffee jack
03 Nov 2012 18:38:54
Gutted! Really should of win that, we creates so many chances! At some point this season we are going to absolutely batter someone! Just need to sort out the defence and get jelly back to scoring and we will be sorted! Good game today there keeper kept them in it!
03 Nov 2012 17:30:15
Frustrating, the slow start and missed chances cost us the game yet again! Have to beat Sunderland next week. COYB NSNO
ToffeeMike
Sunderland are going to feel the backlash next week from today's result. {Ed025's Note - i hope so mate..
If we cant beat Sunderland then we might as well give up. The worst team in the league by a country mile.
Mike {Ed025's Note - the league says otherwise mike, MON teams are notoriously difficult to beat...very dull but resolute..dont underestimate them!..
Ok ed, maybe not the worst, but they are useless. They have had about 15 shots all season. We should be beating them with little fuss.
Mike {Ed025's Note - as i say mike...not a massive threat going forward, but very solid defensively..
03 Nov 2012 17:27:48
I know I'm going to get slaughtered for this but moyes is doing my head in lately, we've had 4 draws on the trot and were conceding as many goals as a team fighting relegation,we've not been playing man utd's or chelseas, but teams that we should have at least won a couple, could he of not tried something a bit different to try and get 3 points today,I know going forward we look good and we havnt lost again but over the last 4 games what an oppurtunity we've blown with the fixtures we've had,everyone can see the weakness and he's done nothing to stop it, as i say I know I'm gonna get stick, but I'm angry at what I think is a wasted chance
Ste c
I agree with you it feels like a defeat.weve dropped a lot of points this season already im not saying every game should be won but 4 draws on the spin and coming from behind in each of them to by the way isnt good enough really.at the end of the season these points already dropped against teams below us added to points we could likely drop against the so called big sides are likely to cost us a place in the top 4.i wasnt a lover of gibson but its obvious were missing his presence sitting in front of the back 4 the defence is looking shakey and likely to conceed in every game the sooner gibson gets back and also may i say tony hibbert too the better.i doont wanna sound to negative about today we created enough chances to have won that game twice over.the second half i dont think fulham came over the halfway line mirallas was tearing them apart they where all over the place.for whatever reason we dont know moyes decides to take mirallas and jelly off we should of kept both on imo this then gave fulham the opportunity to come out there own half and start to put us under pressure in the closing minutes with two of our main goal threats taken off,ok jellys not scoring as freely as of late but even so he puts a shift in keeps defenders on there toes.weve gotta start converting them chances were creating soon as poss. ive got a feeling someone is gonna take a hiding from us soon hopefully next week against sunderland.jimmy
I wont slaughter you but will point out that we have only lost once so far this season. With a bit more luck and referees giving us a bit more we would be challenging right at the top not just as 4th. Get real, other teams know we are much improved and are playing as hard as they can to take points off us. We absolutely battered them today. Hey we are 4th and when we play the so called top teams I think we will do ok. Pe patient. Moyes is building a solid foundation. Once jelly starts scoring again we will be a top top side. {Ed025's Note - love that post mate...there are another 16 teams who would love to be where we are..
You should give the team some credit for having the character and believe to come from behind in games and not losing. {Ed025's Note - im with you mate..
03 Nov 2012 21:30:43
can i just clarify although my txt was negative,im made up were we are in the league,and watching some of our footy has been breathtaking and yes weve shown character, but weve got a problem defensively which isnt being fixed and i cant help think with the fixtures weve had we could of got more points, but maybe i should get real and accept 4 points out of 12 and be happy with that, i was just hoping we could of got more from this run of games.
ste c {Ed025's Note - supporters always want more ste..its the nature of the beast mate...just enjoy the ride fella..
Yesterdays result was hard to take after a fantastic performance but a lot of people would have taken that result before hand Fulham will be in the top 8 at the end of the season and lots of teams will not play or get results off them. Liverpool game is a derby and that game could have gone either way QPR we had a man sent off and came away with a good point and believe QPR are in false position and will not be at the bottom come end of season and Wigan have just beaten Spurs at home. so are the 4 draws we had really that bad or could they be valuable 4pts, 3 away games and a home game in a derby. The most important thing is we are playing some of the best stuff we have seen for years and agree we are going to stuff someone soon especially when Jelavic gets his goal scoring confidence back.
Robbie
No worries blue mate. After years and years of misery we now have to look deep to find something to moan about. A few weeks ago I heard we were top in Europe for creating chances and forward play. Yes ahead of Barcelona ETC. I will see if I can find some stats to post. Degsypulford
03 Nov 2012 17:19:38
Brilliant effort Everton. Really disappointing we let that second goal in. And boys how about scoring the first goal. Our last 5 games we have been behind. Moyes really needs to address this. Look how early sides get us.
Southhampton 6min
Wigan 10 min
QPR 2 Min
Red 14 min
Fulham 7 Min.
One last thing, any Everton supporter who bags any of the players today should be shot. They all played well. Schwarter was the difference. End of story.
Aussie Toffee
Agree in the main aussie that we played well individually and collectively but i thought one lax moment from coleman cost us.
Not Alan Hansen
I think they al playedsuperb but can't help but hold coleman responsible for the second thats two weeks on the run now he has cost us a goal
Hibbert will be back next week. Degsypulford
03 Nov 2012 17:15:48
Hi Eds and fellow blues, it's been quite some time since I've posted but I've missed everyone dearly and need to vent my frustration haha. Anyway two points dropped again, a very quiet game from Jelavic and as for Neville and Coleman they are just not good enough. I feel for Naismith he had two good chances which he missed but the lad doesn't even get a chance to get into the game. He got a goal last week but doesn't get a chance to really build on the confidence. Felli and Mirallas played incredibly and the big man was unlucky to not get the hatrick. Some positives but all in all Moyes needs to take a good look at his team selections if we are to stay in competition for top 4.
SydneyBlue
03 Nov 2012 17:14:26
we were superb today, moyes mistake with jelavic sub and coleman giving the balls away for the goal was sloppy but we should have been out of sight by then, anyway another game unbeaten and we have sunderland (h) reading (a) norwich (h) should be 9 points before we get really tested with arsenal, city and spurs after that
03 Nov 2012 17:13:07
I'll post my post-match overview later. But just a little fact: We've conceded an own goal in each of our last 3 games; all coming as the first goal in the game.
Keith EFC.
03 Nov 2012 17:09:38
what is the story with r defence this season unreal cant keep a clean sheet never mind us needing another forward r a midfielder we need another central defender have no faith in heitinga or distin(only because hes getting on) another draw draws r useless how many games r we gonna go behind in i prefered when we were playin less exciting football and winning over this p.s am starting to get peaved with howard hes really dodgy not confident in him at all thank god for jags
03 Nov 2012 17:09:31
Urgh yet another draw our great start has really fizzled out, yes we're dominating but were not winning last 4 games weve drawn or lost not good enough. Get gibson back Neville really needs to stop playing in cm he add no creativity what so ever rater naismith there we need to tighten up the defence and stop conceding early stupid goals jelly seems to have lost his form big style thank god for Fellaini get him tied down to a long term deal and tell his dad to do one! Coyb let's get back to winning ways thought I was going to enjoy motd tonight..let's just hope the reds lose tomorrow or they will be within touching distance ad look at the way we have played in compassion to them! That shouldn't have happened I think our problem lies in cm if we were a big named team eg barcalona real united Chelsea do we think that uefa would have stopped out move for vidias oafe (spelling) I don't and if they hadn't I think we would have turned these draws into wins and then we'd be right near the top. Also moyes fancy signing a contract yet? If he does leave us who would everyone like to see come in? I'd like Roberts Martinez, he would get on with kenwright as he and his chairman have a very similar relationship to that of moyes and kenwright and he rejected the reds surely there's no one else? Anyway glad I've got that off my chest coyb
Blue D
Who did we lose to in the last 4 games then? I must have missed that.
One defeat all season yes i can see we're really beginning to fizzle out. Get real will you.
May be wrong Leeds not sure how long ago it was?
NO creativity???? In them 4 draws we had 21 shots AWAY against Wigan, we had 16 shots AWAY to QPR, we had 19 shots in the derby last week and another AWAY game today we had 27 shots!!
No creativity? What games have you been watching!
Talking about nev
03 Nov 2012 17:05:00
Why is defence so weak when ever we have to hold a lead? Really disappointed and with spurs losing what a chance. Lets give DUffy a chance
Barrym {Ed025's Note - we still went above spurs into 4th barry....we do look great attacking, but i agree that the defence needs work..
I agree with the Ed on this one and look at the positives. Going forward we are looking superb and should realistically be at least 6 points better off minus 3 for the reds 'defeat'. We should've had at least 5 today and whilst it's uncharacteristic to concede so many, I think maybe DM is thinking we can outscore most teams. Jelavic needs a goal asap as he normally would have scored at least 2 today. Shame really, but if we can keep playing like that then I, for one, am confident we'll finish top 4-6
We should play Johnny in midfield instead of Neville and play Distin with Jags. Neville doesn't give us anything going forward and Johnny would give us cover when Baines/Coleman go forward.
Still pleased with 4th and only 1 defeat this season
Fluffy01016
Duffy is nowhere near ready for the 1st team yet.
One reason why we're leaking goals he goes by the name of Darron Gibson. {Ed025's Note - thats true mate...but we cant just rely on gibbo to keep us as a tight unit, some of the others have to step up to the plate..
Football is a team game and defending is not specific to the back four.
The problem, as is often pointed out on this site, lies in the weak midfield combination of Neville and Osman who DM continues to select.
He then unbelievably decides to drop Distan in favour of Heitinga presumably to address shipping goals?
Also, with Coleman at RB we are extremely exposed and vunerable.
Even without Darron Gibson, our key holding midfield player, we have sufficient options to select from which would provide better cover, support and balance.
Whilst I realise that we cannot win every game and today's performance certainly merited the three points, I think understanding where improvements could be made would strengthen the team and turn draws into wins.
With the benefit of modern technology, the coaching staff should be able to analyse every aspect of games and see what seems obvious to a lot of supporters.
Fancy Smith
Neither is neville ready for 1st team slows the game down and gives other teams a chance
03 Nov 2012 16:58:41
Very frustrating ! I don't understand why moyes doesn't learn from his mistakes ... A few years back against man city , he did the same thing by replacing a striker with David weir and Micah Richards scored to equalize .... On a positive felli was immense in the second half ...
03 Nov 2012 16:51:42
We were very unlucky not to win today. We battered Fulham and their second was completely against the run of play, oh well at least we're not losing.
BitterBlue
03 Nov 2012 16:55:32
unbelievable! im very pleased with the way the boys played today, it was a wonderful comeback but we have to stop conceding these early goals that game should have been put to bed well before the full 90 minutes
03 Nov 2012 16:55:17
Our defending has been woeful this season, it needs addressing asap!. We have always been very strong defensively what's going on, there seems to be no order in the back line anymore, always getting pulled all over the place.
Would you rather go back to the dull defensive football of old? Honestly some are just never happy. {Ed025's Note - im very happy...come on guys, join the party!!
No not at all, but our defence were superb against Man United and our attacking play was brilliant too. Why has our defence gone to pot? We've already proved all aspects of our team can perform, and against the best team in the land too!.
4 draws are like 2 loses
03 Nov 2012 16:54:11
unbelievable, how did we not win that, clear chances for mirralas, coleman, osman, felli, jella and naismith, we really should have put away 4 or 5, 2 points dropped again
03 Nov 2012 16:18:09
Moyes will win a trophy this season
03 Nov 2012 15:49:02
Jelavic missed 2 sitters nightmare
I totally agree i am sick of moyes sticking with phil neville the guy is over the hill thought with 10 minutes left he would bring hitzlperger on fresh legs but no he sticks with a 35 year old who plays every game and never rests him this is the premier league every club rests there older players
Completely agree Moyes never seems to use the substitutes either not any at all or waits until the last few minutes. For the last few years our bench has been very weak but this season and especially today we have got some good options who could be used to freshen up the team with maybe 20 mins to go.
James
03 Nov 2012 15:40:07
Neville yet again. im sorry but why the hell does moyes keep playing him in midfield he is useless. we got Naismith and hitzlesperger on the bench. i give up and yet again another early goal conceded
Andy
03 Nov 2012 15:08:02
Anyone know why Hibbo's not in the squad ? Wasn't he on the bench last week
03 Nov 2012 10:02:28
Always a tough game at the cottage but I believe we can get back to winning ways. Its not going to be easy but I predict a 2-1 win. Fingers crossed.
Micky blue eyes {Ed025's Note - i hope your right micky..
Am so gutted cant make the trip to Fulham today, bloody got me kids all day just so her in doors can have a day out, whats the world coming to when the misses makes you miss a game. Come on Everton am going for a 2-1 win but would be happy with a draw. Terry blue
Tough game. Both teams are scoring a lot recently. 1-3 away win.
Keith EFC.
03 Nov 2012 08:50:59
I just wanna address the way these kopites are obsessed with calling us the bitters when the fact is there's no1 more bitter in this city at the moment than them.
So lets look at the 3 facts why there more bitter than us
Firstly there's not a more bitter team in the world than them they way they to man utd( that 19th title just killed them off) they are so bitter towards them it puts our bitterness from the 80s out the picture.
Secondly The D.I.C deal that fell through coz lets have it right if that would have went through for them we all know they would of been out of sight and they way they missed the boat on that is the funniest thing since michael thomas's winning goal in 1989!
Thirdly the money ming kenny and damien comolli wasted for them the other year that eats them up to the core ive got a red mate ( and he actually go the game, rodge D)who tries to defend the signings and say's "oh but the money we made on torres bla bla bla we only lost £20mill" there insane ed. Its a good job them 2 were'nt working in america coz if u worked for a major company over there and you blew a £120mill on them they bang u up for 50+ years for fraud.
So i think we should start calling them the bitters because how can we be bitter towards a club that is on a rapid decent there finished and we all know it
Chrisby efc
03 Nov 2012 15:54:21
You complain when we come on your page, yet you can't stop talking about us...we know when we've read all there is to read on the LFC page there will be more on here! You complain about it but you're encouraging it! It kind of doesn't matter what you call us does it, it will have no impact on past, present or future...You say stuff about our team that isn't true, and we know that, so it has no effect. You say stuff about our team that is true, realistic honest supporters will know this already. So what's the point?
03 Nov 2012 16:07:38
All I know is id far rather be a 'bitter' red than a bitter blue. Wouldn't switch places with you guys for anything. You may have finished above us last season, I'd still take the league cup and a European spot. Finishing above Everton is no biggie. And you guys have had a great start to the season, but I'd still far rather be in liverpools position to Everton's in the long haul. In fact I wouldnt swap what we've done for any other teams. We might not have won the league for 22 years but we have achieved plenty in that time, including the greatest night CL football has ever seen, and one of the most loyal players the PL has ever seen as our captain (cue Chelsea jokes - hillarious!). I would never swap that for finishing above our rivals occasionally. I used to have respect for you guys, I haven't been using these boards for that long, but some of the stuff you guys were coming out with Last weekend made me realise why they call you guys bitter. {Ed025's Note - jog on mate...your loyal skipper was begging to go to chelsea...i bet hes gutted now!!....and let me tell you...liverpool are the past...everton are the FUTURE!!
All liverpool have at the moment is potential, nothing more. Everton, on the other hand have proven international players who can produce week in week out. That potential may or may not materialise into a good, quality side. I, myself, would prefer to be a 'bitter' blue than a 'bitter' red every day of the week. We know what we have and what we have is quality throughout the side, not potential quality, proven quality !
03 Nov 2012 23:45:03
So Everton supporters wouldn't want to be the most successful ever English club? Do me a favour! An ed you predict Everton are on the up? Sorry, I work on fact not speculation