Everton Banter Archive October 03 2017

 

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03 Oct 2017 21:11:05
I'll give my choice. NI coach Michael O'Neill. Would sew up our defence. Very much underrated.

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{Ed025's Note - a bit of irish bias there i feel mate..

03 Oct 2017 21:20:38
That's a very good shout, but doubt he'd want to leave what he's built with NI.

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{Ed025's Note - he would bite your arm off if given the chance windsor..

03 Oct 2017 21:33:48
Definitely worth a look then. He turned a group of bang average players into a decent team that got some good results. I guess you'd question whether he could do it full time with a club side full of players on millions a year though.

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03 Oct 2017 22:29:44
Not a good shout for day to day managment. I have no clue but until Bill and his sidekick step aside nothing can change.

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03 Oct 2017 20:55:08
Trying to escape the entire RK debate, is anyone else sick of Roy Keane's bleating every time Jimmy Mac gets called up to the Irish squad? He always seems to have cheap shots at EFC over this issue when his Association need to take responsibility over the players welfare as well. He's been out for a while now so it is irresponsible to call him up in the first place, surely they only want a fit JMc in their squad? Keane himself admitted the player was only 70% fit but I'd bet they still give him minutes on the pitch. It's a never ending cycle of him getting injured, going through rehabilitation to get fit, called up to national team, gets injured. Instead of this constant sniping in the press, the club and the Irish FA need their heads banging together over this issue.

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03 Oct 2017 19:22:34
It's a hard question isn't it Who should be are next manager? : when I said I never wanted Ronald koeman in the first place all I got from most on here was who do you want instead and stop being so negative . well now the question is being asked again but this time it's me asking who you would like to take over? Not easy is it . but now it seams a lot want him out as well like I said months and months ago but not heard one decent name put forward yet.

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{Ed025's Note - dyche?

03 Oct 2017 19:38:43
Everton have only had success in my lifetime and I first went early sixties, with managers who had playing careers with us.

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03 Oct 2017 19:45:58
Congratulations Skylark. Made up you're right. Good on you for wanting our manager to fail. How dare others look to back the board, players and manager. We should all jamg our heads in shame.

Bad SUPPORTERS! Strange word that to some.

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03 Oct 2017 19:46:49
Yes he would do nicely at the moment.

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03 Oct 2017 19:51:38
Eddie Howe anyone i would even take rafa benitez.

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03 Oct 2017 20:19:58
You need to think about a manager that has done well with limited options up front but who can build a good enough team spirit to still gets results. For me that's Howe or Dyche, but not sure how they'd handle big transfer budgets.

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03 Oct 2017 20:25:17
Didn't want him to fail bluejohn I went to ever home game and gave him and the team my support so drop the congratulations I just didn't want him and looks like I was right . just asking the likes of you who you would like to see in charge which you can't answer.

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03 Oct 2017 21:02:59
For the next couple of weeks, at least, there will be no change so maybe RK will manage to get things back on track. Stranger things have happened in football.

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{Ed025's Note - they have potato..

03 Oct 2017 21:31:10
While he's there Koeman. I want him to succeed. I want him to win every game and the players to get on board with it. Not for him but for Everton Football Club.

I think that's the problem with us fans. A bad start and we are looking to the next one we can bring in and judge after a few games or like you already have a preconception and once things go wrong jump on it and look for applause because you all told us so.

You are like many fans at the game I suppose and I'm not judging you but you've given up. I said the other day he could win 10 on the spin but you've made your mind up he needs to go.

Moyes was too negative and played for a draw before a win, Martinez got the players passing sideways and didn't berate the players in public, Koeman berates the players in public and has no tactical sense, Kenwright treats the club like it's his toy, Moshiri is a fake and should spend 500 bagillion on Messi and Ronaldo.

I'll jump on board though with your question.

Ancelotti until we lose at Arsenal because didn't change our fortunes around against the big teams, after that Moyes because we know him but after drawing our next 9 games I want him gone then Kenwright because it must be his fault and I'll tell him by putting a plane above the ground, finally we get Davey Unsworth who's one of our own, until that is, he has been found out after losing a couple of games in his fledgling managerial career where he is learning his trade.

If any of this happens I'll make sure I come back and tell you all I said it first.

I'm not attacking you here Skylark I'm attacking all of us. We're all the same. I think we've lost the art of being Evertonian. Maybe we're now spoilt with the injection of money and our expectations are blown out of proportion. I don't know. Everton though doesn't feel like Everton any more. Most if the time on here or at the game everyone sounds angry and unhappy even when we were in full flow last season there was no difference.

So finally I give up and done. Respect you all but I need a break. ED's i love ya and I'll be back in happier times but for now take care of yourselves. Some of you on here I hope you find peace or valium. The rest it's been a pleasure and I'll see you soon maybe.

For me "bartender! Beer please! "

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{Ed025's Note - sorry your taking a break john but i understand why, thanks for your contributions mate and hope to see you soon..

04 Oct 2017 00:51:51
BlueJohnUns, if you must go the fair enough. But rather you didn’t. Not because your always right or even always wrong, but because this site is about opinions and I just like reading them all. I enjoyed yours because they’re always fair.

I understand the frustration and get the need for a break. But think about your contribution and it’s value before you call it a day.

Skylarks post is not one I agree with but others will and he’s got valid points too even if they aren’t shared by all.

The Koeman debate will rage on until his team either clicks or something else happens. But we all have a part to play, some negative and probably justified whilst others positive and hopelessly optimistic. I’m the latter and even if I’m the only one left I’ll still keep on. But a bit of company wouldn’t go amiss.

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04 Oct 2017 06:46:27
Bluejohn I will agree that it don't feel like everton anymore. sorry to see you go I mite not be far behind.

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04 Oct 2017 09:39:08
I'd stick with RK like most clubs you go through bad patches and good patches RK has not had long enough to sort out the team yet. Last season we had a bad run 5 points in 7 games November to December yet he still took us to a very comfortable 7th. Unfortunately the 7 points from 7 games has come at the beginning of the season, if by Xmas he hasn't been able to turn the team round then you could argue that he has to go but after 7 games its just ridiculous considering the teams we have played so far. Do we really want to turn into a Crystal Palace, Southampton or Watford changing managers every time we hist a blip?

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03 Oct 2017 18:08:52
Hi eds this is mainly to ed002 but if any other eds have information great. With kornwke offering to buy usmanovs shares in arsenal. Would this see usmanov have intrest in Everton shares thanks in advance.

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{Ed002's Note - it is very unlikely Eddy and it is to do with posturing at Arsenal.}

03 Oct 2017 16:57:43
As RK is the main topic and IMHO nothing will happen this side of the new year. If then we are still in trouble and his position is untenable then the board will have to act.
The likelihood at that point is a temporary appointment will be made to rescue the situation, an available manager or an internal appointment giving the board time to look for a replacement in the long term.
I do not believe BK or FM will make any decision rashly especially given the vote of confidence (although this is often the kiss of death) as RK was always their No 1 choice a year or so ago.

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03 Oct 2017 20:49:36
If it is to be that RK goes, then I believe we must look for a manager with European experience. If that’s where we want to be each season, then that is where we should be looking. I wonder if the board will wait until teams start dropping out of Europe and see who becomes available. Some good names mentioned in Howe and Dyche, but they lack the European experience and, would players come and play for them? Benitez is an interesting suggestion, but would the fans accept him? Personally, I hope RK can turn it round. I also think that some players need to ask themselves “do I feel proud and privileged to wear this shirt”.

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{Ed025's Note - after calling us a "small club" i dont think rafa is an option nick, but its all very premature to be honest as i think koeman will be in charge for a while yet mate..

03 Oct 2017 16:24:37
There is a coach with a burgeoning reputation that has not been mentioned as a replacement for koeman he has been an apprentice to guardiola and wengar - Arteta.

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{Ed025's Note - too big a risk at this stage for me scoundrel..

03 Oct 2017 19:40:43
Maybe if he comes back his 1st job would be to find the stash of money we got for selling him. If he could find that I'd back his return.

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03 Oct 2017 14:12:21
ed25,you usually have your finger on the pulus of evertonions, but when I surguested Sam Aledice you posted it on the outer darkness of other post, along with a mild put down.
I take it from that, that you are not aware of the major ground swell of support for this option, it may not be pretty, but it is effective, plus the man is motivated, he has always bemoaned at never being givern a shot at a major club, and a news paper sting aside, this man would now be the manager of england. not a bad C/ V for a club in trouble, and boy are we in trouble.

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{Ed025's Note - i truly believe that any suggestion of sam coming to us should be put into outer space never mind the others post JCW, if he is a serious option then it is indicative of how far from grace our great club has fallen mate, for me he is a fraud and a charletan who should never be anywhere near our club, but of course you are entitled to your opinion..

03 Oct 2017 17:05:01
Agreed Ed025 throw redknap and warnock into that category too.

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{Ed025's Note - very much so scoundrel mate..

03 Oct 2017 19:42:34
He was given a big shot a Newcastle and a load of cash and blew it. So not for me.

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04 Oct 2017 08:06:37
JCW100? Is this a type of dialysis machine because with that shout you are taking the piss.

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03 Oct 2017 15:56:15
Just read coleman is big lost to Ireland as bale to wales I think he's that big of a lost to us as well we really do miss him anybody know how far off he is.

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03 Oct 2017 11:52:26
I'm seeing and hearing a lot of supporters wanting Rhino to be given a chance if we do get rid of RK. I think he is doing a great job with the U23's and I love the fact that he is a massive blue but I'm not too keen on him being given the reigns for the senior squad. How many ex-players from any club, who have none or little experience of managing in the proper leagues, actually make a success of being in control? Giggs and Shearer spring to mind, two great players for their boyhood clubs who failed in their attempts of managing in the premier league. There are probably more to add to that list. If Rhino, or Dunc for that matter, have aspirations of becoming Everton manager then they need to learn their trade first and foremost. Whether that be starting further down the ladder and gaining experience or, if RK is relieved of his duties, by becoming assistant to the next manager and learning the ropes from them. Either way, the stakes are very high to throw in a novice and expect them to perform miracles and break into the top four. I understand the romantic notion but I fear he would be on a hiding to nothing.

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03 Oct 2017 15:31:31
Well I would be happy if Unsworth was given Koeman's brother's job if Koeman is staying since I fail to see what the brother brings to the table. Would give Unsworth the experience and with Ferguson they could replace a "YES" man with two Evertonians who would not be frightened to let Koeman know when he was making the wrong decisions. Will not happen since Koeman and his brother are a double act.

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03 Oct 2017 15:41:42
In my time watching Everton we have only won the league or a cup with ex players. Harry Catterick, Howard Kendall and Joe Royale with Colin Harvey winning the Charity Shield, Granted they learned their trade away from Goodison but there is no reason why Rhino can't make the step up, Ex player, loves and knows the club inside out, so its Rhino for me.

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03 Oct 2017 16:46:46
That's a long way in the past, 1995 last trophy 22 years ago, the premier league has changed a lot and so has the pressure on clubs, players and managers.
I would not want to see Big Dunc or Unsy fall from grace in a managerial role they are not ready for, I would think Alan Stubbs is more qualified if you went down this route, U23's to senior level is a massive step!

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03 Oct 2017 17:12:38
He has a 100% record as first team boss lol. He is certainly an option if Koeman departs, but have Joe Royal along side Rhino again, like against Norwich. Big Dunc is too big a risk. At least Unsworth is managing players week in week out. Who knows, Lookman may get a game and Kenny and the like be given the chances they deserve.

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03 Oct 2017 18:19:38
Giggs and shearer were thrust straight into management with no real experience of managing.

DU has been slowly learning his style with our youth, it makes a big difference.

You never know if he can do it unless you take the chance.

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03 Oct 2017 18:28:02
Big NO to Dunc, loved him as a player but he only got the job because he is one of Bills mates.

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04 Oct 2017 08:10:05
Pep and Zidane both ex players who haven't done to bad, Zidane given one of the hardest jobs in world football and that was from the same position as Unsworth is at Everton. The way I see it is the players don't respect the man in charge and he has lost the dressing room, Unsworth is Everton through and through.

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04 Oct 2017 10:22:57
its a trick one, as obviously unsworth is not a big name in world football, unlike zinedine zidane and pushing it pep, but you don't have to have been the biggest name in football to attract big players, mourinho etc.

tough thing is its a big jump into a really troubled club, Barcelona and real were stable, although massive pressure, they had the quality players there, we have glimpses of good but mostly shocker.

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03 Oct 2017 10:35:34
I am a big advocate for Unsworth but here is one from the left side - Moyes - some would say we have moved on but have we - we had one great year under martinez and 2 average - Koeman has produced nothing. I would say we are actually worse now then we were under Moyes - we took Rooney back why not Moyes

Moyes would for starters steady the defence which is leaking - had a decent enough record with us in Europe plus he never had the money to progress the team in the league but we still managed decent league positions.

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03 Oct 2017 10:50:25
to big a job for moyes mate we need to move forward not look to the past i personally don't think we should have signed rooney now and as for moyes think he would struggle with todays everton especially in transfer markets he couldn't cope with united, think his level is a newcastle brighton etc.

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03 Oct 2017 11:14:31
No way Pedro, never forgive him for the way he left us, sneakily running down contract.

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03 Oct 2017 11:18:23
Have you ever heard the expression 'Never go back' it didn't work for the great man HK, its not working for Rooney and it most definitely won't work for Moyes, his ship has sailed and he is not the manager he was six years ago.

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03 Oct 2017 11:37:40
As has already been pointed out, never go back. Not only did he treat the club with disdain when he left, he proved at Sunderland that he can't cut it at this level any longer. We should be looking, when the time comes to replace RK, for a manager who can take us to the next level and DM is not the right candidate.
Bit unfair to dismiss RK's first season, we only have to look at RM's last season with us to see that we did improve, the final league standings prove as much.

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03 Oct 2017 18:35:23
Moyes LOL, he's had the sack more than Farther Xmas, lol.

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03 Oct 2017 19:47:19
Imagine his 1st signings of Gibson and Oviedo.

NOOOOOO! THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.

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03 Oct 2017 09:26:25
Morning Blues and Ed's

Now that Koeman has had the vote of confidence who do you think will be our new manager in 3 weeks :)

1st choice has to be Ancelotti, would he come, throw enough ££££ and he will.

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03 Oct 2017 11:21:04
Why would he join a struggling side with no centre forward and sliding quickly out of Europe? He is used to working at champs league level!

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03 Oct 2017 12:22:20
Wakka simple. Money.

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03 Oct 2017 12:47:05
I answered your question with my first post Wakka £££££.

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03 Oct 2017 15:52:12
rafa benitez used to working with champions leagues clubs

look where he is now.

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03 Oct 2017 16:48:34
Woburn he will get the money at any club, but he will want to work with the top clubs at his age.

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03 Oct 2017 17:33:15
Wakka he has nothing to prove, so might take us on a short term basis, and lob another few mill in the bank.

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03 Oct 2017 08:05:27
Hi Ed and everyone, could anyone state one player or players that Koeman has bought or came from the youth system or inherited from Martinez squad that has improved under his leadership.

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{Ed001's Note - I honestly can't think of one at Everton.}

03 Oct 2017 09:19:42
great question and same here, not one.

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03 Oct 2017 11:14:30
DCL and Holgate.

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03 Oct 2017 11:23:51
Tom Davies.

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03 Oct 2017 12:48:33
Holgate ha ha, u serious.

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02 Oct 2017 23:59:29
Here is a truth. I am an old man now and even in my prime would say an average player. Never the less I played combined services Hong Kong and in Cýprus limassol (as it was then) . Currently on hols to see that we only drew with a side I as a crap player played for is quite frankly appalling. This is Koemans side / squad. He has to go.

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{Ed033's Note - It would obviously help if Everton could attract and sign a world class striker in January.

03 Oct 2017 01:21:31
Ed033 who is going to set up our world class striker n January, this team is lacking confidence and speed, even Messi would struggle with our managers tactics.

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{Ed033's Note - i didn't say it would be easy. Why would a world class striker want to come to Everton?

03 Oct 2017 07:50:43
Got to admit I did like Koeman and would love him to turn it around but personally I think he is on the edge of losing the dressing room, there is only one outcome then.

I think he has two more matches to save his job as we are not the Everton of old who will keep the manager as we cannot afford to sack him, Mr Moshiri is here now and as a self made billionaire he will not take fools lightly, we saw how quickly he wielded the axe with Robert Martinez

Regarding strikers for us in Jan, i'm at a loss who i'd want, no top striker will come to us at the minute, Carroll, Benteke not for me, I can't even think of anyone, its impossible replacing Rom as he was top drawers as we are all seeing now, hopefully we have someone lined up.

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03 Oct 2017 11:22:27
Not sure Moshiri will sack RK let's face it he appointed him in the first place so he would be basically admitting that he made a mistake in hiring him. He wasn't conned or courted by RK he went after him. So I think RK will get a fair amount of time to turn things around a lot longer than some others hope/ think. The sacking of RM was completely different Moshiri didn't appoint him so had no loyalty what so ever to keep him. As for throwing money away I think he is a little bit more savvy than that.

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03 Oct 2017 11:47:51
I'm sure Moshiri will have hired people in the past for his businesses that didn't perform as he'd hoped, who he subsequently had to sack.

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03 Oct 2017 17:44:52
I believe that Moshiri wants success at Everton so for him the present situation is not acceptible. I am sure that he is looking at alternatives as we speak but will want to give Koeman a little more time, but not much. If a world class candidate is available and would agree to come to Everton I believe time is running out for Koeman.

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