Everton Banter Archive August 04 2011

 

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04 Aug 2011 23:44:37
Cahill is a living Everton legend and a great guy to boot, he's last years' joint top scorer for us. Bad form for the last half, but he's finally got a rest. As far as shouldering responsibilities, he's our man. He was responsible for getting us started last year, against birmingham, when we got our first victory. Sure he ain't great on the ball, but you'd have to work really hard to find someone who can give the team more than what Cahill does. {Ed025's Note - well said fella..

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His workrate and tenacity is not enough to justify a midfield berth in a 4-4-2. If we just think of him as a forward in the hole or playing upfront running from deep then he's still a player. Only lampard and scholes i can think of off the top of my head are as good as timing late runs into the box to finish. Yes maybe he shouldnt start every game but thats what squad rotation is for. I love cahill and want him to finish his career here. {Ed025's Note - so do all of us...he has been a great servant and ambassador for the club..

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I dont think it can be emphasised enough how much the guy gives the club in team spirit and the example he sets on and off the pitch. As was said above a living everton legend.

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The only problem with Cahill is, he can only fit in a formation with 1 striker, you don't even notice he's on the pitch untill he pops up with a goal, I don't think he provides enough for the team in a 442 formation. {Ed025's Note - i think you hit the nail on the head...he pops up with a goal...something we have been lacking from our forwards for years...

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It would be interesting to see if cahill could play alongside another striker in the 442 formation because he does score alot and he has the natural instincts of a goal poacher like michael owen

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Not sure on this one - when cahill plays with one other up front then the other guy doesnt seem to score and cahill gets one goal in three games - meaning we lose the other two - look at last season - we were dire until cahill went off to join australia - and in that month we started scoring and winning - hence cahill didnt get back into team on his return - to his great surprise, and then he started making noises about putting everton first (instead of aus) {Ed025's Note - get off tims back...he is a legend..

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04 Aug 2011 23:32:00
for those who can't make the game 2moro. Just found out it's on itv4. Might be old news for some people just thought i'd let you know. {Ed025's Note - cheers..

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Lets hope we finish the pre season on a high, sign barton and bellamy and then go to white hart lane and give spurs a good game. {Ed025's Note - a good hiding would be better!

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Lets hope we put on a good performance against villareal and pick up no injuries. I think this might be the season we get off to a good start as we have had tougher opposition in pre season training compared to previous seasons {Ed025's Note - yes lets hope so..

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04 Aug 2011 22:56:46
Whoever we sign, or don't sign, I hope we do more 442, against everyone except chelski Man Utd etc. we can beat teams that come forward, spurs etc but really struggled to get goals against teams that sit back, reading... {Ed025's Note - i hope so too mate..

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We need to go out and and attack teams, we seem comfortable just playing for the draw at times (Old trafford last season is a prime example) when i believe we have the players to go out and beat anyone {Ed025's Note - i agree we look a far better side when we go at teams..

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Hopefully cahill will have the scoring touch he had in the first half of last season, he was in red hot form before going on international duty in January. You can almost guarantee he will score against city

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We proved last season we can beat the top teams, so we don't need to be scared of anyone. It will be exciting watching Barkleys, velios and gueyes progression this season. They will be 3 class acts {Ed025's Note - lets hope so

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Beckford will be even better this season. I expect 15+ goals from him. He is a younger faster, better version of defoe

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Barkley will get the fans buzzing this season, he looks to have the attributes and composure of a top class player

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04 Aug 2011 22:35:40
Bellamy and Barton signings could liven things up, but they'd do nothing for our average age, i really think those two could fire us into the top 6 next season {Ed025's Note - age is only a number mate..

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Imagine Barton and Bellamy I would like it as they are both sore losers and have a great will to win but im sure many people would'nt be happy {Ed025's Note - going by the posts on this site....its 50-50

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We should look seriously at barton as he is a quality player and he's on a free. I've said before that even if Moyes decides not to sign him we should at least be giving it serious thought and maybe even meeting him in person. If we do this and Moyes says no i'll trust his judgement.

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I honestly believe barton could be the missing piece for us. Unsure why, but I really want to see him in an Everton shirt.
Come on Moyes, do the business.

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If his agent has approached us, you would assume its at Barton's request, maybe we would be his choice if thats the case, wages obviously being the most likely obsticle. {Ed025's Note - without a signing fee....the wages will be ok..

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04 Aug 2011 22:19:09
i just came here to say what do you all have against the norwegians?
what did they ever do to everton............now liverpool on the other hand............... {Ed025's Note - norway is a beautiful country...full of lovely people....liverpool is a great city full of beautiful...evertonians.

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Well said ed, spot the scouser on the kop

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800,000 people in Liverpool, 400,000 in newcastle. Everton dont sell out a 40,000 capacity ground Newcastle sell out a 50,000 capacity ground.

If Liverpool is full of Everton fans then that is a very poor statistic.

So ed? Are you talking rubbish or are Everton fans just bad fans that dont bother going the game?

By the way you make Norway comments like its a bad thing Liverpool have a global fan base. Maybe if Everton had a global fan base they could afford to buy players.

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The scandanvians are getting a bit tetchy aren't they? Probably realise kenny has blown their money on average players

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04 Aug 2011 22:18:55
If we had money to spend then I would even consider shifting Cahill and moving our football on. He is not a creative influence with the ball on the deck for me, a lot of attacks break down with him on the ball, when a more intelligent footballer would play the first time pass, or the ball behind the defence. What he does do of course is scrap for everything, hound opposition players around, and win near enough every header. Then of course he consistently bags 10 goals plus a season.
As it stands at the moment however we haven't a pot to whizz in, and we are in for another season of mediocrity by the looks of our lack of summer signings (thanks Bill). I reckon this is about to be Tims last season of starting games, down to the fact there is nobody better in the current playing squad in his position. Basically, until we have money to sign a midfield creator then Tim will do for me, for now {Ed025's Note - really good post that bud...truthful and down to earth...thanks..

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As long as we shift to a 4-4-2 when facing Bolton, Wigan and their ilk I'm fine with using him behind a lone striker. He should be used as more of an impact player in these games, but I really think it's time we moved on and set out to dominate lower half teams on the floor as we have every prerequisite for this in our squad. Until we have a ready-made creative outlet to slot into that position I believe Cahill's got it marked though. {Ed025's Note - true mate

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I think Cahill's come in for a bit of slack lately. Against crap teams like Bolton we should shift to 4-4-2 and leave him out, but against bigger teams the 4-5-1 is effective and Cahill is the best man for the 4-5-1. I don't know, I think that even though we have a small squad people need to realise the best idea is not to treat every team and game the same way. {Ed025's Note - i agree horses for courses and all that..

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I think they sould hve sold hibbert..[poor player] billy..anicibe.crap..lets be honest there poor players. {Ed025's Note -none of them would be in my ideal side....but the way its going, we may need one or two of them..

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Ironically when you talk tofans of other clubs the majority all talk about what a good player Cahill is but not so much about Arteta or Fellaini

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04 Aug 2011 21:55:10
A lot depends on how we start.
Get off to a decent start (and I don't even mean a great start, just something better than the usual tripe we've delivered in recent years) and I actually think we can challenge for 6th. {Ed025's Note - me too..

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I'd have to say 7th.Perhaps if we have a decent start and not lose half of our first team through injury we could push 6th.
Tottenham have got the Europa league this year and 'Arry is already moaning about the possible hangovers and the amount of games that could be potentially played. Hopefully it will cause them problems but they have a huge squad anyway.

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I'm still going to panic every October-November time when we're cosying up to 15th. If we beat some of the lesser teams in the league then 5th-7th should be comfortable. {Ed025's Note - yes it should..

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04 Aug 2011 21:41:18
Finishing 5th would be difficult as it means we'd likely have finished above Spurs and Liverpool. I'm almost certain we'll finish 7th, as I don't see anyone who finished below us last season improving enough to catch up. Villa would be the first club to come to mind, but despite signing N'Zogbia they have lost Downing and, in my opinion, their best player in Young.
Hopefully 7th will be Europe this season, that's all I can say.

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Sixth on the grounds that one of the six above us will screw up this year.

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Gotta get a better start than last year, we do this and who knows how high we'll go. The one thing I love about the blues is how we dig in the 2nd half of the season - that's why we will not finish lower than 9th {Ed025's Note - im aiming higher..

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04 Aug 2011 21:29:10
Why don't we play johnny at right back ? That is his postion before he joined us Sell Coleman he is a good player but we will get £6 mil Barkley right side of mid cutting in , moyes will probably play Barkley in goal plays everyone else out of postion {Ed025's Note - what a croc

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Heitinga has said he doesn't want to play at RB, he's a natural CB.

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Johnny very slow will get caught big time at full back i wud sell him gives to many fouls away ..hes poor in the air aswell... {Ed025's Note - for me...he is a useful squad player..

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04 Aug 2011 20:32:43
If we do sell Jagielka, I hope Moyes dosen't buy an expensive defender, we have a ready made replacement in Heitinga, we need another creative midfielder, especially if Arteta leaves (maybe Kranjcar), a winger (Mcgeady, doubt Man.City will let Johnson leave) and a Striker (Defoe), and then we could bring in Upson as a free.

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Upson ????? {Ed025's Note - my thoughts exactly..

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Unless wenger comes up with 20 million then jags is going nowhere, i have a feeling when neville retires jags will be our club captain

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Any blue would hate to see Jags go but we really really need another scoring option. Jags for Chamakh and a few mil. Sell Beckford to Toons and get Donovan. We will miss Jags and give up a few more goals but we could score a bunch more. {Ed025's Note - sell becks?...he will do well this season..

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Why isnt young shane duffy gettin mentiond he looks real good prospect

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04 Aug 2011 19:18:00
after yesterdays rumours going wild about barton having talks with moyes it looks like it was all me arse as usual thank fook

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I wouldn't rule barton out, he would be a great addition to our team and he would run through brick walls in a blue shirt. He is the signing we need. {Ed025's Note - one of them..

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04 Aug 2011 19:02:25
people saying they dont want joey barton at everton should get real, the lad is a realy good player and would make everton a stronger team, he gives you good quality and always ends up 1 of the best players in the team he plays for, at man city he was there best player and newcastle he was there best player.
school of science {Ed025's Note - its hard to argue with that..

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Barton is in demand and righfully so, his football did the talking last season and he would fit nicely in our midfield

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Agreed, good player...BUT.......Do we really need another central midfielder? What happens when Arteta/Felli/Rodders/Ossie/Cahill are all fit? {Ed025's Note - have they ever all been fit?

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Cahill and ossie are not a patch on barton .. {Ed025's Note - as a footballer or a person?.....as footballers they all have different attributes...so its hard to compare them.

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04 Aug 2011 19:00:34
Just a quick heads up to my fellow Evertonians in case they haven't seen the papers......

Tomorrow night 7.45, ITV 4, the friendly versus Villareal is on live. I know we're all a bit hacked off about no signings (yet) but let's have a look at how we look against some top opposition & cheer the lads on. COYB

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IMWT {Ed025's Note - nice one tezza..we will all be watching..

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I am looking forward to the friendly tomorrow night, hopefully a good performance and we can look forward to the spurs game

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You should all be coming

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To the last post :- If we score more than 4 goals I probably will...

Toffee Tezza

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04 Aug 2011 17:13:57
Has Moyes got His favorite Players?
Some times last season i looked at moyes teams ,and asked no way , he seemed to send a yak who almost helped svens foxes into the premier leauge ,and then played big vic , its like arteta he looked very poor last season , and how tony hibbert gets a game sometimes i wonder if he just looks world class in training , i would love to see moyes play beckford and yak upfront with a rodwell fell osman cahill midfield .

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He does have faves. Great manager but sometimes he needs to pick the team on form rather than perceived ability. {Ed025's Note - every manager has favorites, they can see what a player brings to the table better than you and i, moyes is a great manager, and his results, on a limited budge , speak for themselves...

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Hibbert is a good player. {Ed025's Note - its all about opinions mate, and mine, is that he is poor..

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Without doubt he has his favourites, possibly the guys who take direction the best. Neville for instance - not the most talented of player but he is a true leader and Moyes obviously loves having someone who can keep the chosen tactics in place. What I think we lack is someone (who is match fit) who can and will stick 2 fingers up at the tactics from time to time and change the game, the element of suprise - this is what Arteta did game in game out until last season.
I very much get the feeling that the players have to work at making their faces fit with regards to team selection.

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Every manager has their favourites. I remember when we were going though a bad patch (who knows which one?) and moyes saying he will remember which ones let him down. He's the top man and if you step out of line he will never forget. He loves neville, osman, hibbert, cahill to name just 4 because they are professional and never give less than 100 percent and never fake injuries. He likes players he can rely on.

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People call hibbert and other players , maybe they are favourite players of moyes but these players are everton through and through and dont moan when not picked, they are great players to have in the squad {Ed025's Note - totally agree mate, a very valuable squad player..we may need these guys this season..

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Does this board and letters and indeed the originator show that we all have favourites .People in life we know will not let us down..Simple {Ed025's Note - that is very true..

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The 2 things we lack are
1. A goal scorer
2. Blistering pace we never score goals on the counter attack
Bellamy has both these abilities in abundance Get barton in too add a lil steel to r midfield Scott Parker came to Goodison last yr an run the game against r 5 man midfield on his own {Ed025's Note - bellamy and barton would do for me..

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How can people say hibbert is a good player hes crap couldnt kick a orange down everton valley.. {Ed025's Note - he could kick it...but where it would go, is another thing..

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04 Aug 2011 14:33:36
Everton are the only club in the entire Football league yet to sign a player on a permanent deal this summer, embarassing

To be precise, we've not signed anyone in 1 year 11months...

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You've gotta laugh haven't you mate..what else can we do eh?

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Birmingham City ...x 7 'bosmans'

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The transfer window is not closed yet and moyes only needs possibly 2 players, so it doesn't matter how he gets them with loans or frees as long as he gets them, i will only worry once the window is shut. Our squad is quality it just needs a couple of additions

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Go back to bed and stop moaning be patient how old are you 10 ?

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We have signed that vellios in january

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04 Aug 2011 14:00:35
I dont believe we have a pot to piss in.
the squad is small and struggled to get through last season indeed we had to sell players and loan out every one we could just to keep the banks happy.
Now we got the Yak back, Joey Yobo back and even less to spend on wages than we did.
the ground is a disgrace, the merchandising is completely non existant, the information passed out by the club is non existant and the financial condition of the club is extremely unstable.
meanwhile the jokers across the park are trying to buy success by spending as much money as they can on everyone.
no wonder we feel down.

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At long last Someone on here speaking sense Nice one mate

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It is clear we need investment, until that happens we need to make the best of what we have got. I expect us to be challenging for the europa places if we can steer clear of injuries next season

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Merchandising non existant? Wtf are you talking about. Go Online. Go to Evertonfc.com. Go to "store".
F**k me there is everything you could ever want Everton-wise. {Ed025's Note - except a centre forward..lol..

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Yep but the other crowd across the road have bought ..carroll 35 mill.henderson 20.adam 8.downing 20.lets be honest there not good signins for the money so i wudnt worry about that ..if they and they wont get sucess kk will be gone .yanks will be in debt again ....and we avnt spent nowt and we wont be far behind them so whos the better business team...

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Henderson was £16m and Adam was £6m. Downing, Henderson and Adam would all walk into the Everton team. The Yanks still have Billions despite the global financial crash and are spending money on players whilst desiding how they are going to increase the match day attendence to 60,000 a game.

Before the new players were signed Liverpool had Best Goalkeeper in the Prem (Reina) Best Rightback in the Prem (Johnson) (by default as noone else is any good)Best Centre Mid in the Prem Gerrard Best Striker in the Prem Saurez.

You think the club will end up in debt? Kenny will do nothing? Everton arent far behind? Everton havent spent anything?

Hmmm My understanding is that Everton are already in Debt, Everton's squad is thread bare and Depleting Season on Season. Yet you think your in a better postion than Liverpool? Hmm wonder why you dont get taken serious

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04 Aug 2011 11:26:30
Jagielka and arteta to leave. Coming in are, Defoe, Barton, Johnson and Dann. Everton team then would be: Howard, Neville, Rodwell, Dann, Baines, Barton, Fellani, Cahill, Johnson, Defoe, Saha.

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Jags aint going anywhere

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I really can't see jags leaving, he seems very much involved in our pre season and he has never shown any indication he would want to go to arsenal

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Johnson would be class on a season long loan, it would just be horrible to have to give him back

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4 players signed between now and the end of August?? This is The Blues we r talking about

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Weve seen "King Kong Kenny " off before we'll do it again

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04 Aug 2011 10:48:37
Liverpool FC to make an audacious bid for 40,000 Evertonians. B.K. will immediately rebuff te bid as everyone knows 1 Evertonian is worth 1,000,000 REDSH*TE

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35 mill for carthorse carroll still makes me laugh

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40,000 Evertonian? Where would kenwright find them? maybe 38,000 on match day.

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You would have to venture to scandanavia to find most kopites , carroll is a big donkey, it should be funny watching him next season

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Yeah i look forward to the derby... andy and luis... against saha and beckford... no wonder you're bitter.

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I think your the bitter one posting on here and stop using there names like you know them you complete and utter dick

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04 Aug 2011 10:18:21
right im just gonna throw it out there people who are saying dont buy barton blah blah hes a bad person... were you in a coma for the whole of last season? i would love to see him at the club moyes would have no trouble and he would be a fantastic free signing so his wages could be abit high but just give him what arteta is on. midfield next season....
Arteta-fellaini-barton-gueye with cahill/bilyaletdinov just behind striker

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Barton was great last season and he would help our team and give us some added steel in midfield, i think we have a real chance of getting him

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04 Aug 2011 09:51:24
I don't like Joey Barton as a person but he is a good player that would get our team going plus he is free It could be worse we could spend £100 million on average players worse than Barton.

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You think having a £100m to spend would be worse? You think saurez is average? You think Adam,Henderson Carrol or downing wouldn't start every game for everton? Explain how that would be remotely worse than signing a thug low life. No wonder people laugh at evertonians. Idiot {Ed025's Note - have you got nothing better to do?, than post on another clubs site!..you need to grow up little boy, and you wonder why your club is one of the most disliked in britain...its people like you!..

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Adam henderson downing and donkey carroll we dont need them we wouldnt have them.we have enough midfielders and we only play 1 up front anyway. liver a poo hoooooooffffff the ball EVERTON pass the ball

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Haha
How did you know I was on about that lot?
Obviously deep down you know they are average

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Liverpool spending millions on average players speaks for itself and how much of a terrible club they are. man utd forked out a desent and fair amount for by far the best player at aston villa (ashley young), roughly 16 million.. then liverpool hunt down a 'has been' with massive potential not quite lived up too frm villa also (stuart downing) which cost liverpol a staggering 20 million. any pperson will tel you if asked that young is by far a more gifted football player than downing, so why pay 4 mill more than the mancs payed for a far superior player? il tell you why, because liverpool fc are money talking a**eholes with no clue of value for money. moyes would have 3 world class players in the squad with that money. i bet the villa chairman bent dalglish over, pumelled his a**e simultaneously and called him his b*tch when recieving that bid, probably thought it was better than his honeymoon. Ha, I laugh at the idiocy of the liverpool board.

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First of all downing was villa's player of the season. Hardly a has been. Secondly young was in the last year of his contract so was always going to be cheaper. Third how is younger better? He has more pace granted but downing is better with the ball at his feet, strikes a ball better and most importantly is by far the better crosser of a ball which with Carroll up front is much better for the team than a speed merchant cutting inside.

Oh and if moyes did have that kinda money to spend it would mean he'd left everton.

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What about the real good players .skirtel.johnson 18 mill.poulsen.the greek ,there all s**te so dont go on about poor players donkey face kopite.buyin sucess doesnt work ask chelsea

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Let me just add to this Keane (20) Babel (11.5) Aquilani (18) Reira (8) Morientes (7) Pennant (7) Dossena (7) Johnson (18)

And now Carroll (35) that always makes me smile Downing (20) henderson (20)

Money well spent

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Buying Success doesnt work? Name 1 team in the last 25 years that have won the league without spending a lot of money?

Before anyone says Arsenal they were spending £6-18m on unproven youngsters 15 years ago. Admittedly Wenger has a good track record in the transfer market but no one remembers the £8m teenagers that dont make it. Denilson for example.
Then you have United, Rio £30m, Hargreaves £18m, Van Nistelroy £23m, Veron £20m etc etc

Blackburn - Walkers Millions.

Chelsea - Need i really explain?

Not saying Liverpool Will buy any success but stand more of a chance while spending.

McLeish - Birmingham, O'Neil Leicster, Redknapp Pompy, McClaren Middlesborough all won trophies Whats Moyes won again?

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04 Aug 2011 08:53:24
not sure about the rest of you but arnt you just sick of these greedy foreign players (ok some of our own are just as bad) just looking for the money I would rather give a chance to someone like Shane Long and maybe send Yak the other way on loan even if we still pay half his wages to see out his final year. Perhaps Moysey can help him develop like Cahill, Jags, Lescott, Baines and Coleman did

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04 Aug 2011 04:27:16
do any of you think scot sinclair from swans is worth a look at. he would cost no more than 5.5 million and he is still young and one of rodwell's mates {Ed025's Note - very average mate..and being a mate of rodders qualify,s him for nothing..

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He was a flop at Chelsea and WIGAN, no thanks.

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04 Aug 2011 03:42:53
I seem to remember some years ago midfielders with bad reputations...... Souness and Keane , they didn't turn out too bad when they found their right clubs . {Ed025's Note - well said

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Souness and keane never hospitalized a team mate, assault an academy kid, beat up a teenager in a town centre, give anyone money to flee the country after a racially motivated murder, slag there club off in public, indecently expose themselves in a football stadium and both "found the right club" long before there 29th birthday. This isn't a silly kid. It's a horrible man. {Ed025's Note - no one is trying to say, he is saint joseph, hes made lots of mistakes, and do i like him as a human being...no....but do i want him to play for everton.....yes..

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04 Aug 2011 00:51:01
Bets on Barton have been suspended, we were last seen favorites, could it be happening? :D

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04 Aug 2011 00:44:43
-Toffeeboy-

Despite my earlier post, distancing us away from the potential signing of Joey Barton it seems as if him and his agent will be meeting David Moyes tomorrow morning {Ed025's Note - we all have our views on the barton issue..david will do what is best for EFC he knows the club better than anyone..IMWT..

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03 Aug 2011 23:57:39
I would just like to say people really get on my nerves the way they trash Billy, hibbet and vic
For started moyes is playing Billy in the wrong place for Russia and his old club he did well coz they play/ed him in the right place which is behind the forward and Hess what all his goals he has scored for us have been him comin on from the bench playin behind the striker

Vic had been out for ages wid a broken leg n if you can remember before that he was doin sick platin left wing and the reason he done rubbish coz he wasn't back to full fitness and it dosent help when your own fans are against you

And hibbet he has been at us since he was 12 and his commitment is amazing people don't no how quick he really is he is one of our quickest players ( deffo quicker than Coleman ) and he I'd a great and underrated defender it is not very often you see a ball or a player go past hibbet and plus coleman can't defend to save his life and why is everyone upsets about him scoring he is a defender not a forward he is a defender and defenders r ment to defend not score so why is everyone saying colemen is goin to take his place yes he is younger but hibbet is much more reliable and a much better all around player

So why is every one takin it out on these players when they make a little mistake but say when baines or Cahill make a mistake everyone goes '' unlucky, great idea"

Just think about this post before you say any thing about these players

I may only be 13 but I no what I am talking about {Ed025's Note - its not your age mate...its your views on what constitutes a footballer!..vic gives the team nothing..power and strength are fine...if your a boxer!..hibbo..is a nice lad..and good evertonian...but as a footballer, is lacking in technical ability and positional sense...i agree about billy..

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I partly agree on what you're saying BUT I know Bily isn't in his natural position but he's been playing out left for us for 2 years now and he's still not adapted, good players adapt new positions, he's weak on the ball and just isn't good enough sadly. Don't even get me started on Vic, yes he had a horrible injury BUT the matter of fact is, you can't be a footballer just because you're big and strong, you need to give the team more than that, and he doesn't. I agree for Hibbert, people slate him because he's not an attacking fullback like Dani Alves, Hibbo is an old fashioned fullback, not great offensively but when it comes to defending he's through anyone, he plays with his heart on his sleeve and I'm sure most Evertonians realise that and I for am greatful we have players like him and Ozzy in our team. {Ed025's Note - in the end my friend..its all about opinions...you have yours, and i have mine..we may not agree on everything, but we all want the same thing, for the blues to have a great season....COYB..

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Billy is useless and lazy, he never tracks back, he's got no pace, and i've never seen him win a tackle, he's not suited to the EPL, we'd be lucky to get a carton of milk for him now. Vic, is a striker who couldn't hit a barn door with a beach ball from 2 yards and as for hibbert, dont get me started on him i really dont want to upset myself. {Ed025's Note - calm down mate!..things can only get better..

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