Everton Banter Archive September 04 2011

04 Sep 2011 23:29:08
Is it just me or is Moyes a myth? He's had 10 seasons now. And his record reads 15th, 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th and 7th. That's an average of 8.5.

After 10 years in charge the team is 100% his. I know we had a few season finishing 5th and 6th but we were buying the likes of Johnson 9m, yak £11.5m felanni £16m.

After 10 years we should of had more than 1 cup final and a average finishing place of 8.5. Think when we have new owners maybe time for a new manager. 1 that can win something. {Ed025's Note - the thing you are forgetting, is that for most of the time, he has been operating on a shoestring budget!..i think he has done a great job considering...if he was to go..who would you want as a replacement?..

But in the years he has worked on the shoe string we have been average or worse. I mean what manager finishes 17th and keeps his job? Although I agree that I can't see who would do a better job as things stand. But after 10 years with zero net spend look at wengers record. It's took him 15 years to lose the plot but picked up plenty of trophies on the way. Surly he not the only 1 capable of doing it {Ed025's Note - but they have built a fantastic stadium for the future, with the money..wenger is a great manager, i agree..

Moyes steered us to safety in his first season so 15th was a success,he has consistently put us in the top 7 on a shoe string budget and steered us to a few good cup runs. He has been amazing in the transfer market and i believe drenthe is his latest masterstroke. Moyes is a goodison legend {Ed025's Note - here here..

No way mate, moyes has changed us from a side that used to aim for 40 points, play rubbish football, hoofing the ball to Kev Campbell and Big Dunc to a team that can play a bit of football, played european football 4 times out of the ten he been here, reached a semi final, reached a final and all this with no money !!! beat the likes of man united, chelsea, man city we have closed the gap considerably on liverpool that nowadays the bookies don't have them as favourites to win everytime they come to goodison and we aim for europe each season instead of 40 points and safety and have a realistic chance of winning a trophy, whereas before moyes people would laugh at the thought of us winning silveware, now though people take us a bit more serious !!
That's a massive turn around mate, if you can't see that then your crazy !

I agree, you want to do everything you can to keep Moyes. AT the end of the day he has NO money, what he does is amazing. You have a great squad, and at some point the players have to be held accountable for the way things go too. How many sitters have I seen Cahill miss on MOTD? Too many. He is a top level footballer, you simply do not get paid to miss from 8 yards. That is out of Moyes' hands. AT least you don't have what we have going on- a board who don't want to invest in the club, and who are happier finishing in 4th and winning no silverware, than pushing for the league and winning a cup after investing in the squad. I would love Moyes to come to Arsenal. We just sold Fabregas, Clichy and Nasri, 3 of the BEST players in their respective positions in the world, and our board led us to believe that the money would be put back into the squad immediately. This was balls, it was only when we fielded a reserves team against amn U and lost 8-2 after two other s**te games that the board decided to even contemplate investing. If you sold Rodwell, Osman, Baines, Jags and Arteta (not on deadline day) Moyes would inject every single remaining penny into strengthening the squad. You play great football, and it isn't his fault that you lose ridiculous games. 10 years ago you never had a squad this strong. I think the players need to look at themselves and decide that when they are being phased out of games, they're the ones who need to be making extra effort to press off the ball, and to move into space better in possession. Moyes is a legend, and if you don't want him we'll have him haha.
Raz

Have a look at the 10 years before came and then say he's a myth. We wouldnt even be in the top flight without Moyes, never mind the top 10!

Yes......it is just you!

Toffee Tezza

IMWT

Are u older enough to remember the dark days of Mike Walker? If so i shake my head at you

04 Sep 2011 23:16:07
We need to play 4-4-2 and try something different and try and murder villa. Unless if we play cautious again, it starts feeling like deja vu from the past couple of seasons were we only find our goalscoring form around crimbo. I am strangely confident about saturday and excited about the lad drenthe.

Bez the blue {Ed025's Note - cant see it though bez..4-5-1 seems to be his preferred set up..

04 Sep 2011 22:44:18
I don't know if drenthe will play on saturday. I'm not sure if he's played much football lately so he may need a bit of training first. Maybe he'll be subbed on later. {Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

I'm sure he'll play against Villa, it's not like we'd have better options on the wings rusty or not.

Moyes rarely starts new recruits, they have to earn their spurs in training. Part of his philosophy. I agree with it, as it happens. {Ed025's Note - lack of options may force his hands though..

I think moyes will emphatise with the fans and know we need a lift, so even if drenthe isnt 100% up to speed he will start because hes the type of player who gets fans excited. {Ed025's Note - i dont think pleasing the fans is his prime objective...otherwise he would play 4-4-2..

I hope he plays 4-4-2 as well, we need to really kick start our season!! If we can get a good result against villa then the match after against wigan will seem very winnable

I would like to see drenthe give villa a taste of there own medicine with a speedy counter attack!

We have been crying out for a winger for ages and this lad sounds the business. I had forgot what it was like to get excited about a signing, there is no denying we have a quality defence and midfield, i don't know about up front, that remains to be seen

Bez the Blue {Ed025's Note - lets hope denis can do the business..

04 Sep 2011 21:21:32
Hi guys, I am a Gooner who comes in peace.

You are my 2nd favourite club, and Arteta is my fav player outside of an Arsenal kit, and I met him in Liverpool last year, I cannot believe he has come to us.

How do you Blues feel about it? Are there bad feelings or not?

The main thing I wanted to ask was how come you sold Beckford? He is a great striker IMO, didn't see enough of him last season and you're lacking up front. How come he was sold?

Right now I reckon you pretty well have a squad as good as ours, if you don't make Europe this year I will be so annoyed.

Peace
Raz {Ed025's Note - we all wish mikel well, he was a great player for us, even though over the past couple of seasons, injuries have taken their toll, and i think £10 mil was a fair price. beckford i think done ok for us, but i dont think moyes was his biggest fan, but we got £4 mill for someone we got on a free, so not bad business...as for europe both of our clubs will have an uphill task...

Haha that's true Ed, very true. Wilshere's out for 2-3 months now as well, we Gunners are still in shock after this summer. 8 injuries and 3 suspensions, and our biggest dicking to date, after the sale of 3 first team players. These new signings better come good.

Didn't realise Beckford was on a free....fair dos. Maybe you'd be interested in Chamakh in January? Haha. Btw Ed025 are you an Everton fan?

Cheers, Raz {Ed025's Note - the biggest and biased you will ever meet raz,,

Arteta will be a success and suit arsenals style of play if he can keep himself fit. As for everton we are strong in the midfield department. I think we have lots of options and with the emergence of barkley and the signing of drenthe, i think there is plenty of life after arteta.Good luck mikel at arsenal, hopefully everton can somehow sneak into the europa league {Ed025's Note - well said mate..

Yeah I agree, Drenthe is immense, really hope he lifts you all. I don't want to offend by saying this but I was really surprised you managed to sign him, but only because I don;t know much about him but thought he was a superstar haha. Btw do you not think it would have been better given your striker situation to keep Beckford and play him as much as possible, then sell him for 6m or so in January? Or even more? So bizarre he's just gone without a fuss, maybe Moyes really hated him.

I agree about Arteta, he may have gone but Osman was your best player last season and he and Rodwell can now play all the time, your midfield is great. Awesome to see Heitinga score for Holland btw, quality.

04 Sep 2011 17:41:24
was speaking to a club scout today he has heard the same rumour maybe there is something in it ed {Ed001's Note - keep your fingers crossed.}

Maybe he saw it on here aswell :-). I hope its true we all know that if money was invested we woud be a title challenging team the likes of united and pool know it aswell!

04 Sep 2011 17:06:38
vic injured now, alls we are left with is saha and denis, would anybody take E.H. diouf? I would

Diouf?!, F*** OFF

No, he only managed 4 goals in 60 for Blackburn. I'd prefer to push Vellios and Baxter up the pecking order.

I can't stand diouf

Diouf is not good enough and he is trouble, moyes will get another decent striker in January with some of the arteta money {Ed025's Note - your right about the scum bag diouf...on your last point..dont get your hopes up..

04 Sep 2011 15:22:00
I think people have underestimated moyses' signing drenthe. he's only contacted at madrid only until the end of his contract with us; if he fits in he's available for us to sign permenantly, if not than moyes hasnt let any transfer money go to waste

But if he's superb other clubs will muscle in

Or we could see at january, then pre-agree a contract with him?

04 Sep 2011 13:39:09
Hi there guys i'm a United fan and just wanted to say I hope sombody buys you're great club soon as it's sad to see the toffee men struggling so badly with finances.
I've always had a soft spot for you guys and hope you get back to your glorious best and spank that red scum from over the road very soon.
Sad day losing Arteta.

Red Daz.

I am sure things will get sorted soon. The finances look a damn sight better after the comings and goings of midweek.

Thanks red daz

Yeah - a soft spot for us as long as we don't threaten your cosy stitched cartel in any way. UEFA rules need a shake up to stop united n city winning everything for the next 50 years - it's a total joke now how 2 or 3 clubs have everything stitched up thanks to the champions league payment system

04 Sep 2011 12:57:19
If these guys score this many goals this season we could have decent shout for 6-7th place
Saha(when fit)=12 goals
denis=12
Cahill=8
Bains(mostly free kicks and penalties)=7
Billy(all screamers)=5
Osman=5
Central defenders on corners free kick=5
Others ,og,etc=6
Total=60
And fewer goals conceded than last year of 45
Cheers COYB

6-7th is realistic, i think our 2 new players will fit in well and we should have coleman, gueye and saha playing again very soon

Saha: 11
Cahill - 13
denis - 5
felli - 4
osman - 6
drenthe - 4
bily - 2
barkley - 5
baines - 7
distin - 2
jags - 1
hibbert - 1
coleman - 5
anichebe - 3
youngsters - 4


total - around 70 odd, we can dream eh?

Think Hibbert scoring a goal is the biggest dream on that list, how many years is it now??

If Hibbert scores, we riot.

04 Sep 2011 10:05:14
There should be a standing ovation for this little Spaniard when he returns.

His comments after leaving us should be contrasted with a certain other 'blue' (Rooney) - class and dignity personified.

Rooney, though he has now talked well about everton, he never when he left.... take note Mr. Rooney and learn something.

Take a bow Mikel, I for one will miss you. {Ed025's Note - me too..

Spot on !!!!

Given the way he has spoken about the blues in the last 12-18 months, it appears Rooney has learned from past mistakes. I've forgiven him now, just let it go!

If you read my post back, i wrote "though he has now talked well about everton, he never when he left.
I clearly explained that he now has grown up and speaks well of everton, but when he left he never !!!!!!!!!!!!

No you didn't. You said ". take note Mr. Rooney and learn something.". That is the opposite of what you claim to have said!

04 Sep 2011 10:00:08
The 5-year contract at £75k per week was an unaffordable mistake by a cash-strapped club for a player who has never reached his pre-injury heights, and whose best was gradually receding into the past. Kenwright and Moyes were confusing their respect for him with his five-year value to the club. I believe that Arteta came to see it this way and was troubled to be on this contract while Everton could barely buy a match ball, and this made him feel that the transfer made sense all round.
The club in crisis on Wednesday was Arsenal, not Everton, making a panic move due to the failure of their youth strategy and the excessive pricing of ‘marquee’ players; Arteta was well down their wish-list. They have to qualify for the Champions League and they knew they wouldn’t with their existing squad. They’ve bought for the short-term in a desperate hope of CL qualification. Probably a forlorn hope, so enjoy it this year Mikky, and the best of luck, I’ll be shouting for you. You may be past your best but at least you’ll bring some determination to a feeble-minded squad.

04 Sep 2011 09:57:14
Arteta. Nice player but his best days are behind him since the injury... (I wish I hadn't said that as he'll probably come back and haunt us now when we play the Arse this season.)
By far the bigger miss has been Pienaar, whose link with Baines was our best attacking threat. We should go back to Harry and rescue him from the splinters he's getting on the bench at the Lane. Besides, it looks as if they are nearly as skint as we are. {Ed025's Note - no one is as skint as us....but i would not have peanuts back..

Ed i do think we miss pienaar, him and baines were awesome down the left, so telepathic ! {Ed001's Note - he was an excellent player for the club to be fair to him, way he left leaves a bad taste in the mouth though.}

04 Sep 2011 09:09:56
Its not the end of the world that arteta is gone lads !
He was a great player but he'snot here, EVERTON FOOTBALL CLUB 1878 TO PRESENT DAY...... MIKAEL ARTETA 2005-2011 !!
We move on, we haven't lost much, 1 midfielder out 1 midfielder in (Drenthe) Yakubu didn't play, Beckford replaced by Straqualersui (which is a slight risk)
I think we will be ok. If we finish in the top half this season, i think with our debt almost halved investment could be incoming, and a bright future is ahead.
Hopefully this time next year, we have that investment plus..... Barkley, Rodwell, Coleman, Gueye, Vellios, Bilyaletdinov, Straq, Drenthe and Fellaini all young players !
With the likes of Jagielka, Baines, Heitinga, Cahill, Osman, Hibbert, Neville and Saha we have a great mix of youth, class and experience.
WE ARE EVERTON, PLAYERS COME AND PLAYERS GO BUT THE CLUB WILL AND FANS WILL ALWAYS BE HERE, Good luck to arteta but its time for us to crack on, got a good feeling we will a trophy this year {Ed025's Note - great post mate...i enjoyed that..

Good post and i agree, the only problem is, the list of player's you have mentioned.......... No doubt in there ability, my concern is, thats 17 players, including Howard, thats 18 players in the squad, after them 18 there is not more that could come in and do a good job for us !
When we get our usual injuries of 4 or 5 key player's, what do we do then ??
We need more bodies in january

04 Sep 2011 00:51:17
With players returning from injuries we have 3 players available for the villa game hopefully that can give us more width and more attacking options. Coleman, Gueye, Drenthe.

04 Sep 2011 00:40:48
I think we will cope fine without arteta. One player doesnt make a team, yes he was good but when he was out injured we coped very well and the likes of Ossie shined for the team when out of the shadows of Mikky and expect the same again, i think we'll kick on and be ok