Everton Banter Archive December 05 2011

05 Dec 2011 22:23:38
Erm what's is going on, we'd be playing Championship football without Moyes.

Yes we had a bad game on saturday, but Moyes was working with what he had. Do you want to risk losing a player for longer because you rush him back too soon.

Think about the bigger picture, we need to protect the squad for the long term, we know we haven't got the biggest squad, we have lots of potential in the youth but they need to be managed carefully.

Yes I agree all except the chairman aren't sticking their hands in their pockets when it counts.
I honestly think Bill would sell his soul to raise money for the club. The rest of the board need to show the same commitment.

So get off Moyes's back, get behind the club and support the team. What good does it
do anyone just using this site to slag the manager and the players. You all sound like a bunch of the r#d sh#t# having a go at our team.

Proper Fumin' COYB IMWT {Ed025's Note - you paint a pretty picture of the situation my friend!...let me enlighten you...the fact is, we are playing some of the most boring football i have ever seen, the players are lacking motivation and leadership, the manager seems to lack any ideas how to remedy the situation, and is wallowing in self pity, and the board are doing sod all to help, add a dose of dwindling fans making hardly any noise in our mausoleum of a ground...and you might realise how most of the fans are feeling..merry f*****g christmas!!!

Well said ed

Ed - i normally agree with most of what you say BUT seriously shut up and man up. You say the players are playing without motivation, thats because too many Evertonians at the moment are wallowing in self pity. If Goodison is bouncing and buzzing the players will respond, they always do. Lets get behind them, lets make some noise, show some passion and push the team on. We have a role to play and recently we have not been playing it well, worse than the team almost. IMWT, COYB, NSNO

Seen as we pay to watch them play, I'm afraid they need to give me something to shout about! I can't cheer on that kind of football any more... sorry. We've all tried but theres only so many mistakes one person can take before releasing a small groan of disappointment.

Wizard of Osman

05 Dec 2011 20:06:14
Time for moyes to move on ...tactically inept {Ed002's Note - To be replaces by whom though?}

Wanted Martin Oneill I think we should maybe go foreign next time ,Moyes done really well but now we are not moving forward and the squad is the best for years

Mark Hughs mabe
Did well at fulham

Martinez from wigan he likes his teams to play football, he would get everton playing the way we should be playing! Or give stubbs a crack :-) {Ed025's Note - i like the martinez shout mate...but if david played more attacking football, and let the team play like we know they can..he would do as well!!

Totally agree ed but david is not allowing the team to express themselves and for some strange and unknown reason he is refusing to play attacking football! i hope he starts to sort things out soon i like moyes and wouldnt want him to go but if needs must! {Ed025's Note - my sentiment exactly mate..

Why is Moyes tactically inept, I am sure he tells the players when we have the ball nobody move, just stand still and make yourself unavailable to receive a pass.
It's alright blaming Moyes but the players need to take responsibility aswell.

Fair point but when you are 1 down and your manager decides that bringing on another DM is an attacking option and then swapping like for like with 10 mins to go Id call that tactically inept. Moyes always waits till we are 2 down before even contemplating putting up top And what the hell is the point of playing down the wings when Stokes average height is 10 foot 5......TACTICALLY INEPT

05 Dec 2011 17:53:59
reported on sporting life...

" Asked whether he would be looking to add more creativity in next month's transfer window Moyes, who has been linked with another loan move for Los Angeles Galaxy forward Landon Donovan, said: "If I could do that I would do." "

So no money AGAIN sounds like the situation.

How the fk have we never got ANY money when we're selling anything that moves and must have raised 15 -20 mil on player sales and cut the wage bill by about 200k a week since the start of the year?

AND YET SOMEHOW STILL NO MONEY ? ? ? ?

Good old Davey Moyes..Keep up the good work.

Inept manager and inept board simple really

05 Dec 2011 15:04:02
Interesting to see so many people are blaming this all on Moyes.

1. We didnt get a chance last night, the ref was poor and although you can say it cost us the game it made life hard for vellios and fellaini especially
2. Do you really think moyes would have gone into the rooms before the game saying 'well the stoke lads are big, lets play the long ball' - no smart ass replies the answer is no.
3. Formation is not something you mess around with when your team is mid table and not looking comfortable early in the season. although we definately need a change up in formation if the squad wont change, its something that has to be done over the preseason.
4. IMWT - how many times have we done this in previous seasons. in fact, we have had far worse starts then this and come back to a good league position. he has my back and should have all of yours as well
5. We did play poorly, doesnt take a genius to say it. lets face it our squad is small and our fringe players are poor. lets see us with a strong lineup with drenthe, rodwell and distin firing, and saha and cahill back in form and i think we can expect some better performances

Lets hope for a better performance against Arsenal.

AussieBlue

We are blaming all this on moyes because like it or he is ultimately responsible for team affairs including our current league position. It is a nonsense to suggest we shouldn't change team formation whilst in this position and should wait for pre season ,Are you mad ? Preseason could well be in the championship if things formation included don't change and quickly ! I am a huge moyes fan and do feel for the man but I think these last few seasons of battling against a lack of funds and poor starts to the season have taken the fire out of his belly. And remember he is the leagues longest serving manager to remain without a trophy. I do think a change is needed I'm not sure who but I think it would suit both parties if he was to leave sad as it may be .

Who picks the team,who trains them and decides on tac ticks who decides on the players we buy the 5.4.1.formation should not be used at home we should attack id rather loose playing good attacking football than the rubbish were playing,remember we are everton like the song says if you know your history we should never loose to stoke wigan wolves qpr and teams lesser than us.how long will be before the fans vote with our feet i for one will not waste 100 pound travelling from coventry to watch boring negative football.

05 Dec 2011 13:55:59
Ed - in your honest, realistic, bare bones opinion, can you see anyone taking us over either in January or at the end of the season? Or us receiving some form of investment? I just wondered why Big Felli would have signed a new contract otherwise {Ed025's Note - my honest opinion....yes...but not anytime soon, felli signed his contract because this gives him financial security for life! there will be a clause for him to move if he wants, as football contracts are not worth the paper they are written on!..

05 Dec 2011 13:17:15
The under 15's came on to the pitch during halftime yesterday. They would have done a better job!!

05 Dec 2011 12:41:58
After 9 years in charge it is about time Mr Moyes was held accountable for the state of our current squad
Yesterday was an embarrasment - given that the emotions of all inside Goodison were high after the tribute to Gary Speed, you would have thought this was a match we daren't lose.
There was more passion in the ex-players on the centre circle at kick off than the whole of the squad throughout the game
The tactics were boring, preidctable and wrong (again)

How many times can moyes hide behind the "lack of funds" & "wee small squad" excuses?
This is your squad Mr Moyes - you chose to release Vaughan & Yakubu when we were desperatley short of attacking players
You chose to bring in Bilyaletdinov & Straquilasi just as you failed to keep hold of Piennar.
Three questions from me Mr Moyes:
1.Why do you continue with the same tactics week after week regardless of who we play and where - even though the rest of the Premier league worked you out 3 years ago?
2. Why all of a sudden have you started Bilyaletdinov who clearly isnt fit enough to wear the shirt - is it something to do with his public outburst last week?...If so yiou have lost the plot
3.Why do you choose to bring on anyone but Ross Barkley?
I have always been a staunch defender of you Mr Moyes but there comes a time when you simply cannot defend the undefendable
I dont think you should go...i just think you should sort out this mess and if you cannot...Then Go
Please do not destroy our club any further
Big Nev

Fantastic post nev,agree with every word mate

Spot on nev

Degsybluenose

05 Dec 2011 12:11:58
Im a huge fan of moyes but i think his time has come! Sick and tired of seeing us play the long ball! We had no chance against stoke with them tactic, moyes needed to instruct the lads to keep it down and pass and move! I think he should go and get someone like martinez from wigan, sorry moyes i thankyou for everything you have done but move on!

I agree with this post..Moyes has had his time now let's look to a new face and an attacking formation.

05 Dec 2011 10:47:06
I wish other teams would make it as easy for us as we did for Stoke. I can't believe we played the long ball for a start! It's an obvious mistake to use root one against such a big side... We all know that, we can see that. Someone whose never watched football before would see that, so how come Moyes can't?! People are paying good money every week to go and watch this ugly, predictable football... With the transfer window looming we should be trying to attract players, not put them off!
I reckon we're really missing big Distin. He will, mostly, try to play the ball out and build from the back, not just lump it.
The obvious choice for me would have been Barkley, then again, I say that every week. At least he'll have a run at the defence and try to penetrate a bit more, because at the moment we look weak. The lad can pass a ball too! On the rare occasions we do try to play to feet, how many times is the pass under-hit or played behind the man? It's pathetic! Kids stuff! I wish Moyes would read this site from time to time... He may learn a thing or two about how to set up a football team!
In the fans we trust!

Wizard of Osman {Ed025's Note - i agree with all that wiz..

05 Dec 2011 10:04:41
Well I slept on it to see how I felt after the match Sunday, as follows:

Still fuming, £150 down the swanney, 4 tickets, 2 programmes, 2 hot dogs, 4 drinks, fuel and parking, myself, my brother and our two teenage boys will not be goinmg to another match until a takeover has been completed and the dead wood is kicked out of town, always a Moyes supporter but 90 minutes and no shots on target against a team that played in Europe on Thursday that we should be battering anyway, let's have Barkley on the bench every week and never play him, let's leave Neville and Distan on the bench when playing the toughest team in the premier league, can't blame the referee beacuse I know they were going in tough but we were dire, disgusted and no wonder there was only just over 30,000 fans there, just lost four more. Bily needs to go now, we need to pass the ball in fron of the players when attacking and not behind (basics), play through the middle when playing the biggest defenders in the league and not out for the wingers every time, you can read us like a book, well done Coleman and Bainesy, Jags why the long ball every time, you cannot put it on a sixpence like Beckham, Unlucky Vellios not your fault pal, Cahill - always a huge fan but come on for gods sake man.

Moaning over feel better now (not)

great tribute for Speedo, shoulda signed big Dunc up why he was there, could of put the balls back in our team

Degsybluenose {Ed025's Note - well said degsy....we are all fed up now...its an entertainment business, and i am yet to be entertained, things must change quickly, or you wont be the only ones leaving the fold!!

Just to continue my rant above -I would NOT swap Moyes for anyone else.

Also loved freezing my balls off for two hours too - NOT

Degsybluenose {Ed025's Note - but do you think his heart is still in it degsy?. it seems to me that the grind of having to run a team on a shoestring, has finally taken its toll, to me he seems to have lost the fight, maybe its time for david and everton to go their seperate ways?....for the good of both of them..

If Moyes was to go he'd have been better off doing it before O'Neill got snapped up

Spot on Degsy! Never mind about O'Neill... If Moyes goes we've always got Degsy. Plus if you were manager mate, your lads would get in for free and Bill might throw in a couple of hotdogs too! Not sure about the drinks tho... Lets not push it...

Wizard of Osman

Hey Ed I would see what happens if we get taken over, he may get his MOJO back, don't know whether new owners would think the same though after watchin the match yesterday.

I think Moyes has done a good job with what he has had, he could be a top manager with some dough though

Degsybluenose {Ed025's Note - i think he has done an astonishing job degsy!, but all good things come to an end, i would just hate to see it get to a situation where he was getting booed, or supporters campaigning for him to go and the abuse that goes with it!, he does not deserve that!

Cheers Wiz, I would make our kid pay though as he is a bit of a door hinge.

Degsybluenose {Ed025's Note - lol