Everton Banter Archive July 05 2016

05 Jul 2016 21:25:26
What do you all reckon on giving jonjoe kenny his chance as are back up rb this season. We clearly need cover and if we go out and sign someone it will only hinder his development. I'd give him a shot if it was me.

05 Jul 2016 22:02:14
Id have that like. send holgate or jones out on loan, pennington, connolly and browning as back ups.

05 Jul 2016 16:17:45
Lukaku staying put now app. money money money talks doesn't it - well, if he bangs in a load of goals for us next season propelling us up that table all will be forgiven!

05 Jul 2016 17:09:41
Delighted i'm not sure he should have been tried on media coverage. That's like a new signing we might actually play with 2 quality strikers. It's great being loaded for a change:)

05 Jul 2016 17:20:17
Its hard to know exactly what is the deciding factor for these players. There has to be something to Lukaku not being happy but no one really knows, only him, his father and his agent. The press are just speculating and doing what they do best.

All the hype could of been formulated by Lukaku his agent and father to get a bigger deal. He may of genuinely wanted to leave. Who knows which it is or what the real reasons he wanted to leave. No one knows what made him change his mind to stay.

All I know is if he signs a new contract he's obviously happy to stay for whatever reason. That will do me.

All I want is for Everton to do well and maybe win a trophy. Anything that contributes to that is very welcome. Lukaku staying will contribute imho. That obviously makes me happy.

If we can build on the squad we have the future is very, very bright. As we have a good core of top young players.

Its all good imho. Can't wait for mid August. I feel like a child again with a born again enthusiasm with the future we have ahead of us. I'm one ecstatic Evertonian. How the last 3 months has transformed our club. It's amaze balls!

05 Jul 2016 18:00:32
Hey

. Lukaku is young, ambitious n dare I say wet behind the ears (couldnt spell naieve) . his agent n pops have done him no favours. hope he stays n RK gets even more out of him

Mart.

05 Jul 2016 19:01:40
If and I mean If it's true. Surely means we might really have a chance of Witzel. Forget the price we are loaded, let's spend it like we stole it.

05 Jul 2016 15:13:16
Im sure the majority of you will share my opinion here but happy dys as Valencia confirm the signing of Nani on a 3-year deal. unsure of the fee but at this point i'm just glad the papers were wrong about us signing him.

05 Jul 2016 15:47:25
7.5 mil.

05 Jul 2016 16:24:24
we were probably not even in for him mate.

05 Jul 2016 17:11:19
Fanny!

05 Jul 2016 12:48:26
Hi all,
I see everybody is getting hung up on transfer fees for players we haven't even signed yet. Why are you letting something like this bother you? Surely the fees and other costs is only a concern for the board to consider and as fans we should just enjoy the associated players. I am thrilled to be in the running for Mata, Witsel, Grosicki, et al and whether a player costs £1 or £50 mil makes no difference. Just enjoy the window and don't let finances ruin it for you.

05 Jul 2016 13:05:49
spot on mate, not arsed what they cost or "are they worth the money", who cares not our money, if Ron wants them and we get them i'm a happy Blue.

05 Jul 2016 13:27:45
I think it is because of our passion for the club, we have had years of hope and a desire to do well. It has been instilled into us all to be frugal, The one thing we all like is a bargain, if a player joins us on the cheap then we are all happy and talking about it, the same has to be said if we think some players are over valued and we feel we are paying over the odds.

05 Jul 2016 13:45:25
Sorry I know it's not my money, but it is MY club and as a scouser I don't like getting ripped off by anyone. Anyway IMO Witsel is a good player but not worth 30 million. I feel there better options out there for our first marque signing. Now Man U targets that's a different Mata!

05 Jul 2016 14:09:40
Have to agree with Grumpytoffee and Hrowblue on this one. I do fully intend to enjoy the summer and next season. The thing about the money is clubs can get suckered into giving way over the odds. By doing that they put the long term status of the club in jeopardy. We all know the clubs we're talking about, Leeds and more recently Villa and Newcastle. Villa have a very rich history like Everton and I pride myself on that.

It is fantastic with this investment and future. I'm not overly cautious with things as our new owner and co seem well capable to keep the club progressing. Degsypulford is one poster who seems overly cautious. Not having a pop Degsy, it is what it is. Who knows with time you might be right.

I don't think our future is doubtful. Imho it is very bright. At the same time I wouldn't be splashing the cash like there is no end to it. I don't care how rich or clever Moshiri is there is always an end to money. Tend to get there a lot quicker if you spend too much, too quickly and too unwise.

Imo the future is fantastic at the same time I would still be cautious with money. It is a business after all and the more profit the better. It keeps the club at the top being wise with the money. No doubt something that is nothing new to Mr Mishori.

05 Jul 2016 15:04:40
I too talk a fair bit about the price of the players we sign/ are linked with and i think its for the same reason. i'm very passionate about the club (as are we all) and would like the club to do the best they can hence my worry about the players and finance etc.

Nil Satis Nisi Optimium lads, let us be a little sceptical ;)

05 Jul 2016 18:58:41
No offence taken NBTB. Yes I am overly cautious. I have been involved in football for a while and have eveen recommended a player for our blues only to be ignored and the player eventually signed for the reds! Anyway, I know that if you set your targets too high and do not achieve them, it can lead to unrest and demotivate everyone within a club. the last 3 years is a pointer to what I mean. The club can then spiral and one bad thing leads to another. So the best way is to set achievable targets. Dare I say realistic ones. Then, if you are looking like you are going to achieve your original target, then you increase the ambition at that point. ie I feel that people talking about Champions League qualification at this point are being overly optomistic. A more realistic target would be to go for top half. If we look like we are going to achieve that, then maybe we then say top 6. Then if that is looking on. then maybe then. Champions League. If we start saying Champions League now and lose a few games, then everyone involved in the clib suddenly start blaming this player and that player. and saying that Koeman was the wrong man etc. Yes I know Leicester City won the league, but Ranieri did exactly what I am saying. His first target was 40 points and survival. He then increased it to mid table etc. So far we have not signed any real brilliant players that are going to make a difference on lasst season. But yes we have a new maanager. let's see what effect he has on tactics and motivation and I will certaainly be hoping for more than mid table if we win 4 of our firsst 5 games.

05 Jul 2016 20:37:40
Degsy I knew you had it in you. Positivity! I agree wholeheartedly. Negativity breeds negativity and if targets aren't met frustration sets in.

I was thinking of Leicester as I was reading your post just before you mentioned them. I agree with you on pretty much everything there. A realistic and not overly ambitious target I think is 8th to start off with. Imho that's at least our position with a good manager with the same squad of players.

Add in a few additions to our new manager and hopefully we end up a few positions higher. There is a lot of competition at the top now. Top 4 is as hard to break into than ever. What odds would you of got that Leicester and Spurs would be in top 4 this time last season?

I mean that in a way that it is hard to get into top 4. Anyway nice to see a positive post from you Degsy. You were improving your targets as you went on with your post. Hopefully that's the way next season goes.

I wouldn't be doing a Man City and spending money left right and centre. Just look at Rodwell and Lescott we sold them. What did we get round £50m for them. Both didn't stay with them too long and how much of the money did they recover when selling them on? A fraction.

A more Arsenal type approach would do me. Very smart business men at Arsenal. As far I know a profit made every year along with qualifying for CL. All done shrewdly with little waste of money. Some of that would do nicely.

06 Jul 2016 01:33:04
I find it incredibly frustrating on here at times, for years i, and i'm sure all of you, have read the comments about us having no money and poor transfer windows. Then all the comments when Moshiri took over, we're a rich club now, 100 mil to spend, let's make marquee signings etc. When this comes to fruition everybody suddenly backtracks, don't spend the money or we'll do a Leeds. Contradiction beyond belief!
Now of course i love the club and don't ever want us to experience those dark days but our owner is not a fool, he is giving us a shot at becoming top contenders by allowing a big money transfer window like he promised when he arrived. No doubt he has ringfenced that money, taken it as a loss and if the signings don't work out then so be it. If this happens i'm almost certain it won't affect us in the same way as the clubs you mention, perhaps just curb our future extravagance. I don't see valid comparisons with Chelsea, Arsenal or Man City who all spent big and thrived.
I'm not attempting to be argumentative but this is an exciting time and it seems that a lot of you just can't help but be negative no matter what we do.
Enjoy it because we may never experience a transfer window like this again!

06 Jul 2016 10:17:26
WorcesterEFC you are obviously missing the point. Which is with or without money it should be spent wisely.

I fail to see where the negativity is in above posts. It's actually the opposite positivity! Numerous times I have written on here how delighted I am with this investment. How excited and thrilled I am. Its all good WorcesterEFC.

We were just having banter about not spending silly money like some other clubs have unnecessarily done. They too have shrewd smart people running their club

If you don't see comparisons with Arsenal and City and a difference in their approach to spending you never will. No matter how much explaining is done.

No one in above posts is contradicting themselves or being negative. You are by mentioning we may never get another transfer window like this one again. I think there will be plenty more.

Just because we have money doesn't mean we should be silly with it. As I said our new invester is obviously a shrewd man. It's all good.

Again for the record I am happy, ecstatic, grateful, excited and most of all positive for our future. Just like 95% of my posts. Be my guest to check them if you like.

05 Jul 2016 10:16:46
Looking at our team now before anyone leaves where do we need players and who would everyone like. Also be relistic with who we would like.

05 Jul 2016 12:46:22
i i'm completely honest we have a good squad. its been said a lot that its the best squad we've had in years.

GK for sure is a position we need. someone of high quality is required IMHO. i would like to see us go for Leno or Ter Stegen. both have been linked with moves away from their clubs and Ter Stegan has been linked with other prem clubs such as Liverpool.

besides that i think our players are good enough for top 10. Typically we want to push higher.

RB - Coleman
CB - Stones
CB - Jags
LB - Baines
CDM - McCarthy
CDM - Barry (probs last season if he makes it through this one)
RM - Deulefeu (Hopefully fitness will ensure he lasts full 90)
LM - Mirallas
CAM - Barkley
ST - Lukaku

looking at this squad i really think that we'd either be looking for £20M - £30M Upgrades or cover players becasue these players have all shown they are good enough for the first team.

im a big fan of Mertens, he can play central or on the wing and i believe has even played up top for Napoli on occasion. i think he'd likely cost us about £20M.

05 Jul 2016 14:01:50
Mirallas is far better on the right than left and I think Ross needs competition so a LM and possibly a CAM Tarashaj may be good enough so not a priority.

05 Jul 2016 15:10:59
i personally really like Mirallas playing up top and i belive that was his main role for Olympiakos whihc caused us to buy him in the first place.

number of decent youngesters coming through, Dowell desrved more first team action 2nd half of last season so hopefully he gets more game time his season.

05 Jul 2016 09:44:01
Eds how much do we value Witsel in the current transfer market? (no detail into finance required, just a rounded fee please) becasue i'm a little hisitant to have the club pay £28.5M (whihc is the fee reported, may just be paper talk)

but he signed for Zenit in 2012 for i think they said £32M. surely now he is a better player (some of that fee was likely based on his potentional) but i can't see them wanting to make much of a loss on what tey paid for him.

do we think there is better out there, do we think £28.5M is right to pay?


almsot shocked that i'm worrying about finance when we have Moshiri's financial backing. some things won't change i guess.

{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to the money at all.}

05 Jul 2016 12:48:19
I thought that may be your response lol

In that case regardless of the money do you think the player is worth buying or do you think everton could attract better?

{Ed002's Note - Witsel is well enough thought of.}

05 Jul 2016 15:11:28
Cheers Ed.

05 Jul 2016 09:27:42
Just looked at the Wasilewski/ Witsel tackle/ injury that was referred to yesterday - ouch!
If Witsel does sign for Everton our fixtures against Leicester next season should be interesting.

05 Jul 2016 09:46:13
Thats the one where Witsel comes in late and stamps on the guys leg right?

if it is then its a nasty looking challenge but idk, was there any intent or malice in it?

05 Jul 2016 03:06:22
Anybody think we should have a look at Bolasie? If indeed its true Palace are willing to sell.

05 Jul 2016 09:24:53
I think he's a good player, £20M is probably a bit more then id want to pay but price inflations are everywhere.

i Think Puncheon often gets overlooked. he's a decent player and did a real number on us a couple seasons back when we needed to win to keep ahead of Arsenal in the battle for top 4 football.

MUCH cheaper but i don't think id take either IMO.