Everton Banter Archive February 06 2018

 

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06 Feb 2018 21:51:41
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06 Feb 2018 21:11:01
Read in rags that rooney slated certain players after the arsenal onslaught, pointing out that the players are simply not pulling thier wieght, and causing problems for the managers appointed, well said lad, we all know that the problem can't be solely down to manager after manager, as i have said time after time, this bunch of so called everton players need a bloody goody shake up, and one or maybe two senior members of the coaching staff who have been here a while now, should call it a day, or given the same treatment as osman and hibbert and told to go, i will not mention names as i may hung strung and quartered.

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06 Feb 2018 22:08:11
If they are not pulling their weight why do they get picked week after week?

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07 Feb 2018 01:56:08
BlueMike: because Allardyce clearly doesn’t think the others - especially the youngsters - are good enough. Get to safety (40 pts) quickly and then see how the fringe players and youngsters do in the first-team. No doubt Allardyce won’t do that, so what hope is there?

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06 Feb 2018 21:03:26
If Conte becomes available who would like him to take over from Sam?
Do you think Conte would be interested in staying in England if he gets the chop which is looking inevitable. Would he be interested in such a job at Everton. I think he is a winner and has shown he can manage the big names like I have mentioned about Rafa. He is someone who can galvanise our team to play for one another I just think he needs to have a good relationship with the owners.

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06 Feb 2018 21:28:04
Before even considering the likes of conti, we need the foundations, no good trying to galvenise untill the rust has been removed,
What we need is a a good solid surface first, then we can galvanise,
Sorry, but so annoyed by a lot of what is going on at the momment, can't stop compairing it with when moyse first came and had problems with certain players, he got rid of rotten apples and we progressed but on limited funding,
We need a clear out,
but have not got enough back up in quality to carry us while we do, that's the difference between then and now.

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06 Feb 2018 21:41:59
He managers the big names that well that they go to people higher than him in the club and undermine him, but to be fair the people higher should back him also, so awkward to judge him really.

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06 Feb 2018 20:02:44
We need a Left Back until Baines is back. Today West Ham have got Patrice Evra a Left Back. Did our DoF even know he was available, I doubt it very much. If he does know, why hasn't he moved quickly, I believe there is still time just.

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06 Feb 2018 22:51:27
Bit surprised anyone would touch evra given the fact he is 36 (I think) and he flying kicked a fan which is why he got sacked from Marseille. I certainly think he is well past his best.

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06 Feb 2018 19:18:06
People talking about Rafa. People questioning Big Sam. People asking why Lookman was allowed to go. People asking why Del boy was allowed to go. Who we should sign. Who we should release or sell. One thing that sticks out a mile for me is we have turned into something that resembles a revolving door. Managers coming and going. Players coming and going. Then questioning why we are inconsistent. I am not saying that some of the players we got in since Moyes are good or bad. but Martinez brought a load in. Then he got rid of some. He also allowed the squad to age. mainly the 1st team. Then he fell out with Eto'o. Then Barkley and Lukaku wanted out. Then we had some terrible injuries to key players. Then Koeman took over and said one or two players were just not good enough and signed a load of his own. Then he went and Allergy came in. He immediately signed 3 new players. Just a question. can no one else see the theme that is playing out here? Talk is of inconsistancy. Of course there is inconsistancy. We need to give either this manager time to sort. or get rid as soon as our premier status is secured and get a manager in to last 10 years like Moyes did. We need a time of settlement. We have some great kids on the verge of being 1st team regulars. We need someone to allow them to develop and add a couple here and there. in the way all top clubs do. Man City, Spurs etc had about 10 years to get their current teams together. We are still picking players who were regulars 10 years ago and adding kids to them. Few are at their peak development. and a few in my opinion are just not good enough. But surely we need a time of stabilisation now. Not another 4/ 5new players each transfer window and a new manager every couple of years.

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06 Feb 2018 19:31:42
I have to disagree Degsy. To get to the top, we are going to have to take steps, ruthless steps, and unfortunately that means buying the level of players we can for the position we are in and getting a manager to suit that aim. Once/ if we improve we then need to take the next step up in player/ manager. Buy a better calibre of player and when we start to slip, change.
It's the way it has to be if we are to compete in this ruthless game. Chelsea, city, liverpool and to some extent man u and Tottenham have all done it and succeeded. Arsenal are showing why a long term manager is getting a less and less successful plan.
The days of ferguson, Wenger and moyes are well and truly dead. Too much is at stake.

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06 Feb 2018 19:41:54
Good post Smit mate.

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06 Feb 2018 21:05:50
Well Smit666, I could give you lists of clubs who have tried the revolving door approach and failed. Newcastle, Birmingham, Wolves, both Sheffield Clubs, Notts Forest, Derby, Leeds Middlesborough, Bolton, Sunderland all had a fast change policy during Moyes' reign. And you quote Arsenal as an example of failure?

FA Cup winners 3 times in the last 4 years. Charity Shield 2 times in the last 3 years. A wonderful new stadium paid for by organic growth in the main. Ok I accept they have not won the title for 14 years. But they have consistently been top 4. Liverpool and Man Utd and Spurs are now joining the clubs who have not won it for a while because of the money influx. But hey if you think all this change is good for a club. You keep shouting for it. I personally think steady progress is the way forwards.

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06 Feb 2018 21:55:59
Apart from Newcastle none of them are in the prem.
I'll give you some. Watford, Southampton, palace, west ham. All in the prem, all chop and change. I don't see the logic in your argument.
Arsenal are on the decline.
Name a consistently successful team that has succeeded in the modern day prem?

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06 Feb 2018 22:13:36
No doubt that you are correct delay, we need a manager who will be with us for a long period, the problem is that it will not be Allardyce.

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06 Feb 2018 22:56:44
Sorry smit. I agree with degsy on this one. Would prefer a manager to come in and rebuild the club from under 9s up to first team with an identity and style of play. Would love a manager (not sam) to stay for say 10 years to create success (hopefully) and develop a squad (which takes time) and train an assistant to step into his shoes when he leaves.
You mention arsenal. Wenger has done a great job there but he's probs my stayed 10 years too long which is why I think 10 years is plenty for a manger before fresh ideas are needed.

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07 Feb 2018 00:03:34
I've been known in the past as one of the biggest critics of Degsy's views. However I completely agree with him and posted the other day with a similar sentiment to this. We have a massive squad full of players, many of whom have never played together apart from in training.

It takes time to galvanise a squad. Moyes' squad was relatively successful as it had an identity, players who all knew each other inside out and all worked hard for each other. They all knew what was expected of them. Unfortunately we were just missing one or two class players at the time and were unable to obtain them due to financial constraints.

This is why I've been banging on about how the inconsistency is down to the squad being too big and the managers chopping and changing the tactics all the time. The only time we've fielded a settled team and formation for more than two consecutive games was Allardyce's first few games, which was funnily enough our best run this season.

I'm not saying we wouldn't have lost on Saturday, but I'm certain had Fat Sam fielded the same team that beat Leicester (minus Coleman who had the flu) , then we wouldn't have been battered. He needs to decide what his best team is (hopefully not including Schneiderlin and Williams) and give them a run of games together to build an identity and confidence.

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07 Feb 2018 08:54:22
The reason I listed all the Championship teams was exactly to prove my point Smit666. They were ALL Premiership clubs a few years ago and all of them went on a spending spree relevant to the day. They all had changes of management ant structure in exactly the way we are now. Then they all got relegated. At the time, they were all considered big clubs. And if we are talking about today's big clubs. I remember Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City all in the division below us. Nottingham Forest won the European Cup 2 years running as well as the then First division. Arsenal have been in the top flight as the only club longer than us. and until recently we were known as a club that supported their manager and gave him a chance. not wanted him out after 8 games. after he had moved us up the table by about 7 positions and an absolutely terrible run with the previous manager. We also have to consider nationality of players and languages they speak. for training and communication on the pitch. Back to Arsenal. they have been top 4 now 20 years consecutively. If you think that shows a lack of ambition or a team being unsuccesful because of keeping one manager then I cannot argue with you? They went a whole season without losing a game during this time. Their trophy cabinet is only second to Man Utd. When Chelsea and Man Utd got relegated, they also had suffered lots of changes of manager. I could go on and on with examples. but you are right that sometimes when a ship is sinking, it does need a change of skipper. I just think as a club, we have had change after change after change. In chairman, players, philosophy and manager. I think now is the time to steady the ship or we will. and I will use an old saying. throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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07 Feb 2018 09:09:11
Oh one addition. we had a manager called Howard Kendall a few years back and we were down near the bottom of the league and most fans wanted him sacked. He had been with us a few years and things were looking bad. We had started each of his seasons poorly, but then put good runs together that took us up the table and we had finished 8th, and 8th and 7th. Many fans were not happy. But the chairman stood by the manager and after a result whereby we nicked a draw at lowly Oxford Utd, we went on to our most successful period ever. I know times are different, but even in todays time, both Mna City and Spurs have taken some years to assemble their squads. as did Chelsea and Man Utd are also going through it now. It takes time for teams to gel. It also takes a mix of age groups of players. Young, at their peak and mature. We seem to have lacked players at their peak. Just another thought!

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06 Feb 2018 19:08:10
Patrick Evra in talks with Moyes, a free agent, any better than what we have? anybody have him till the summer.

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06 Feb 2018 20:06:53
Absolutely GB. Certainly better than the current one (s) that keep getting picked, doesn't matter how they play, they appear to be untouchable.

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06 Feb 2018 15:50:31
Koeman appointed dutch manager. That's the worst kept secret ever. Good luck to him. Didn't work out at our great club.

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06 Feb 2018 20:14:16
I am sure things aren’t right behind the scenes. Koeman wasn’t too happy re Walsh to be sure and that seems to be a major problem- proof if needed are the players signed thus far, lamentable - might as well throw your dosh in the Mersey . Barton has a mouth but at least he is critical when others whisper behind the bike sheds .

High time we had a major shake up and start all over again those in management positions seem to have lost the plot, if they had a plot to start with .

We are becoming a laughing stock, I remember the Gordon Lee days when we where poor but this is a new low level for the blues.

Peter Reid changed our club, wish we could turn back the clock or add similar passion and skill .

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06 Feb 2018 20:38:08
My money is on Walsh being the problem. Is he having any influence on team selection? Are the likes of Schneiderlin playing because they have contractual stipulations?

Joey Barton though? He’s an odious wretch that does not even deserve oxygen, never mind an opinion!

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06 Feb 2018 09:32:17
Eds: please can we have a vote for the fans: "Would you be willing to accept Rafa as the next Everton manager - yes or no? ".

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{Ed033's Note -


Rafa manager poll

06 Feb 2018 14:43:50
whats peoples obsession with rafa? i get he is a good manager but for me there is better out there at the minute, nothing to do with him saying we a small club just for me there is at least 5/ 6 managers i would turn to before even considering him.

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06 Feb 2018 18:31:27
Bobby I asked the same thing a couple of days ago. Vote was 75% in favour with just short of 100 votes. Which is a lot better than pre Sam as there was no stand out candidate. No Brainer for me.

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06 Feb 2018 18:33:20
Who?
Do they have experience in the premier league?
Have they managed a big club before?
Can they take us from our current level up to winning silverware and into the top 4.
Can they manage big name players?

I know no manager can guarantee all the above.

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06 Feb 2018 18:34:34
After all the rubbish we've put up with in recent years from Brown shoes to grumpy and now the toilet attendant.
Can we as a club not strive to make own way? Our own mark and our own identity? Rafa is a very good manager no doubt. He can never manage our club. Not a chance with his past.
It's time for a new up and coming coach to take us as a up and coming club together on a journey.
Stop this Rafa nonsense. I live down south and even out of the city, I'd dread the ribbing I'd have to take.
Would be insufferable up there. No no no.

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06 Feb 2018 19:36:42
Yeah let's cut our nose off to spite our face.
We want/ need a top manager, rafa is just that.
Almost every manager has had a dig at almost every club. What's the issue.

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06 Feb 2018 21:08:36
Exactly if Rafa comes and successful and stays with us long term. I have know doubt he will win everyone over and he wouldn’t be the first to change allegiance from Red to blue or vice versa.

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06 Feb 2018 21:27:46
Rafa went to chelsea even do he called them plastic . it's just words to wind up your rivals he called us a small club to wind us up . get over it love to have him here.

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06 Feb 2018 07:41:49
We are no different from any other Club with regards to wanting consistency out of Team, Management and players. Our problem this Season is panic by consecutive Managersa and that panic ironically has led to inconsistency. We (punters) have been wanting consistency all season, we (literally thousands of us) see the same mistakes and lack of performance from the same players game in game out, yet coaching staff and Management either don't see it, ignore it or turn a blind eye to it. Instead they change the Team constantly but fail to change the very players that are at the core of the Teams failing performance. It does not make me angry (anger is for far more important things) but it does make me sad and disappointed, to see this great Clubs decline. Make no mistake, all of this began and continues at board level and those appointed. About time they took the blinkers off and admitted they need people around them that actually know football not just the business side.

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06 Feb 2018 19:37:49
Great post DFS.

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Review Of The Day 6th February 2018

06 Feb 2018 06:08:29
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 6th February 2018

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