Everton Banter Archive January 06 2014

06 Jan 2014 22:25:12
Lads being realistic we will not get ince and mcgeady. I think being honest mcgeady is done deal.

But just to add I can't stand people laying into moyes I don't care if last 5 years we have been negative or we have sometimes looked uncomfortable.

Facts are he made us the club we are look at his signings. Baines jagielka were both average at best. Hell jags was playing dm and he moved him back to defence. Then of course you have Cahill arteta. Even Rooney and now john stone's for anyone to insult him makes me laugh.

This time last season we were 4th and yes we have more points playing better football but managers are aloud styles and what happens when Martinez does have to change that back four. We he do what moyes did looking at alcaraz. I doubt it. so yes we have moyes solid foundation and Martinez clever attacking football. Just be cautious Martinez built that Wigan defence that conceeded over 120 goals in 2 season's.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think anyone believes he done a bad job for us mike, but it was time for him to go, the schadenfreude that we are seeing is a direct result of him treating the club with contempt mate..

06 Jan 2014 22:55:24
yes because wigan had loads of money to spend on improving that defense oh wait they didnt
well at least they could attract big names whilst near the bottom oh wait they couldnt
at least they didn't have to rely on crap like caldwell and ramis oh wait they did
well at least they have a big stadium to attract big names oh wait they dont
well at least they have some of the best fans out there to fill the stadium every week oh wait they dont
well at least they didn't have any injuries in those 2 years oh wait they did
well at least they didn't have a goalkeeper only good on camera oh wait they did
and at least they are not wigan athletic or anything oh wait they are

really? does it matter? just focus on us and let bobby do his thing rather than downplay what he has done so far

Mike-Ox Long

It annoys me when people talk about Wigan's defence last season under Martinez as if they have some understanding as to what went on. It was what all my know it all mates of other clubs kept saying when we first appointed him. Wigan shipped a bucket load of goals and were relegated because of one of the worst injury situations ever seen at a premier league club. His signing Ivan Ramis after a great start was put out for the year, Alcaraz followed again for the year. They then lost Figeroa and Caldwell which left them with Emerson Boyce who is actually a full back. They had the lowest budget in the league and were never going to deal with it. To use that as the logic behind suggesting the defensive wheels are going to somehow fall off under Martinez is ridiculous.

{Ed025's Note - im with you oli..

Chill. we've got the second best defense in the league

We won't get McGeady, yet he is a done deal? (Woo, my least favourite phrase in football is back).

Only fools think moyes did a bad job, they've only turned on him because he's a cantankerous, hypocritical and disloyal t***.

And 'what happens when Martinez changes that back four'. Well three of the back four for the last few games have been completely different to the opening fixtures, so he has had to do that already.

Judging by several posters' comments about Aiden McGeady, there's more of the "dung" deal than "done" deal about this potential transfer.

06 Jan 2014 21:35:50
Rooney to run his contract down and agent approach Everton in summer, but do we want him?
Isn't it brilliant being a toffee at mo!

{Ed025's Note - it is mushy..

07 Jan 2014 06:41:41
We can only dream Mush, I think we would all love him back.

Only stumbling block is that even though we were his first love I don't think he would accept a 60% wage cut, I know its not as if he needs the dough but money certainly does talk mate

Come home Wazza, you can't buy love

He is a greedy B. That's why he left us in the first place. Great footballer though.and I would love it!
Degsypulford

06 Jan 2014 20:07:30
Just posted on utds page to wind them up for a laugh see if the ed posts it

06 Jan 2014 19:30:05
Look at this on utds page this is how far up there own ass they are, they are unreal
06 Jan 2014 17:53:28
Am I clutching at straws? YES.

But I just had this thought in my mind and thought i'd share it with you guys.

Do you think a controversial but talented player like Ibrahimovic, Balotelli or Suarez could instill some kind of fighting spirit in our squad?

Rooney is that type of a player but the aura around him at the moment is negative due to him not signing his new contract and him threatening the club.

I know we have no chance of signing any one of those players but I think such players take a lot off pressure off the team and other players and become the centre of attention.

I think rooney will sign for everton again pc.im sure if we keep going in the right direction, he will run his contract down and he will get his wish of winning somethink with the club he realy loves.even more so if we get champions league football.

{Ed025's Note - i think that may be a bridge too far daz..

Daz for what it's worth I think you may be right about Rooney mate.

07 Jan 2014 16:27:21
ed0025 just out of curiosity, why do you think the rooney to us rumour couldn't pull off. let's look at the hard facts that drive players ambitions of playing football:

1. he's won medals with Manchester United - why would he want to join any other club for the same reason other than win with his boyhood club who he still supports
2. Money - He's earned some mega bucks while at man united and will never need to work again if he retires at the end of his united contact, so what would stop him taking a 60% cut to join us?
3. The legacy he leaves at the club - If he joins us earlier than his 30th birthday, he would still be at the top of his game and able to offer everton as a merchandise club in return. Consider when we bought gazza or ginola they were both past it by the time they joined us and I feel if he left it any later than this chance to run his contract down now and join us for free, we may never sign him again. Not only because of fee's but because I don't think he would be good enough to fit into our team. If he wants to fulfil his ambition of making a positive contribution to efc and leave a legacy behind for efc to move forward again and become one of the top teams in europe again. CraigHuytonBlue

{Ed025's Note - i can answer that in 3 words craig....MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, these guys are not like us mate, if we had a million we would never work again, rich people are driven by 2 things...money and power, he has no chance of any power, so his driving force is wealth...well thats my take on it mate..

Totally agree craig, that's what I was thinking when I posted the original post, sorry edd think your wrong on this one mate.rooney is a blue through and through, and like we all say evertonians are born not made, and he was born a blue.

{Ed025's Note - i would love to be wrong daz..

I said something similar Ed. I said he is a greedy B. It was shorter than your post!

06 Jan 2014 17:59:55
Had the good fortune to see Eusebio play at GP when I was nine. Always remember asking my dad how did he kick the ball so hard, and why was no one talking him. Twenty minutes later he was still going on about how I would never see a better player than that at GP if I lived to br a hundred. Well I'm over half way there now, and have to say so far he's been right. RIP Eusebio true football legend.

06 Jan 2014 16:25:22
ed could you also sort it that on the video ad at the top we hear roberto's conferences, not pellegrini and rodgers all the time, the darkside do it with theirs

{Ed025's Note - i will see what i can do mate..

I keep getting Gus Poyet.

Had him for about 3 weeks now!

{Ed025's Note - its in hand doc..

I get Paul Lambert and Tim Sherwood

06 Jan 2014 15:47:04
hilarious article from the daily mail about how martinez has done nothing so far and how he is only doing well because of david moyes, about how coleman and barkley were made by moyes and martinez has had no say in their development whatsoever, how deluded all evertonians are saying moyes was our best ever manager and then he leaves and he is hated, about how we all owe him a huge debt and how last season we were in the same position we are now and how if martinez didn't have lukaku we wouldn't be in this position and how moyes didn't have lukaku and did better, are you still reading yet or are you asleep? if you are somehow still with me, the article us basically a load of rubbish written by a utd supporter or moyes' no 1 fan, doesn't take into consideration the exciting football, the way martinez speaks, the way we should be higher if not for some bad luck and the way he has improved several players such as seamus coleman and ross barkley (was barkley a regular last year? nope would he be if moyes was still here? nope), absolutely disrespectful towards bobby and what he has done so far and doesn't take into account the many times of heartbreak due to moyes' negative football, how he said we are holding players careers back, about how everton do not really need a manager, about how he was planning it all along, about how he insulted is with his bids and most of all the way he thinks he can just take what he wants now he has money to spend, sorry for the outburst but the article was poor and showed no respect for roberto, if its so easy being everton manager why didn't the writer of the article take the job? don't mean to cause anything but the article could of at least showed bobby some form of respect

Mike-Ox Long

Cochise must surely be talking about a different article to the one other posters have written about.

06 Jan 2014 17:18:31
i am mate

Mike-Ox Long

Just to wind you up Mike. I actually agree with some bits of the report as you put it. Don't get me wrong, I am very very happy under RM. But I was also very happy under DM. To explain more with facts. .
DM did decide to keep Barkley when releasing many other kids. He also blooded him into the first team slowly.
Coleman was Moyes' signing at 60K.
Last season we were in exactly the same (league) position as we are now from the reports I have read. We were also top of the entertainment leagues re shots at goal/chances created. Behind only Barcelona from memory.
Lukaku IS on loan and it worries me as to what happens when he is gone. Especially if we let Jelly go.
I do think RM speaks fantastically and says all the right things. I also think his signings to date have been great. (Kone replacing Anichebe being the exception but we have had this conversation before).
Would Barkley be playing under Moyes now? I would say yes. Barkley has developed and is more consistent now. In my view, Barkley was very inconsistent last season. To explain. Moyes picks that kid Janusaj at Utd now. You seem to have a view that Moyes was deliberately trying to hold Barkley back?I don't see that. I think Barkley has come on leaps and bounds and Moyes would be picking him now. just like Janusaj.
I am not insulted by "insulting bids" by Moyes. I understand that football is a business. .he would not eg offer 150 million for Baines. that would be throwing money away. It is purely business. He will try it on.
Likewise, I trust BK to tell Moyes to stuff any low offers!
I don't care what Moyes thinks or says now. do you? you seem to.
I also don't care what the Daily Mail says. .it has printed lies about politics and other things all my lifetime! So now it is having a go at Football! That's probably because the Mail is aimed at Grammar School educated Rugger fans. Try the Sun for a more unbiased report (only joking)
I Love you really Mike. I am going the game Saturday. Its a 12 hour round trip these days so I don't do it as often as I would like. If you fancy a pint, I will be going the Royal Oak before hand and would be glad to buy you one.
Degsypulford

06 Jan 2014 19:22:03
f defending and what to do with the ball but to say martinez has not improved him or barkley one bit is laughable, last season against arsenal barkley had to be neat and tidy no risks, this season he was running at them and leaving arteta for dead many times, he is playing januzaj because he doesn't have to sell him, here he knew playing barkley and allowing him to express himself would lead to him going, holding him back was perfect for moyes, it meant neville and osman could get another year of backwards passing the whole game without worrying about barkley taking over his clear favorites, he rejected many youngsters and kept barkley yes because he saw his talent but again did he use it? hell no he just chucked him to leeds to play right back and right midfield, he rejected many youth is another thing aswell, 'duffy will get his chance' did he? nope hello johny heitinga you can play after having your arse completely torn apart by benteke just last week, buys oviedo, what an exciting winger with pace? oh god no he will not cover every blaze of grass 60 times in a match let's allow him to get nice and comfy on the bench, degsy I have asked you this twice but never got an answer as my question would always be at the bottom of the page or just fall off, would you swap martinez to have moyes back? and thank you but I cannot have a pint with someone who thinks victor anichebe is good enough for the premier league ;)

Mike-Ox Long

Hey Mike, I get the jist of most of your post, but not all of it. Firstly, you have never asked me would I take Moyes back. Right now the answer is a defo no! Do I think Barkley has improved? Read my post above. That is exactly what I am saying. That is why he is playing now. He improved under Moyes, and has improved further under Roberto. I do not believe Moyes tried to hold him back. period. I do believe Moyes was less of a risk taker than RM. and in that Moyes may have allowed Barkley to mature at the right pace. I agree about him being neat and tidy under Moyes and having more of a free role now. I think that has helped in his development. I think the team has benefited from this overall. I think DM set up the basis of a very good squad with very good players. RM has come in added 3 or 4 quality players to it and now we are all enjoying our football club. Duffy. I am guessing he has not quite got it at the moment, but may well still develop further? Victor Anichebe. I think you are cruel. The guy suffered some terrible injuries, so is behind in his development. I reckon he has the potential to be a good Championship player or Premiership squad player. I think he is as good as Kone. But we had this chat before.
I will be in the Royal Oak about 1.30 traffic from Devon permitting. Happy New Year Mike.
Degsypulford

OMG lads I've finally figured it out. Degsy is David Moyes!

06 Jan 2014 21:33:06
okay this is literally my seventh time attempting this reply as I keep clicking submit reply and it comes back up with all my text gone and having to redo it all over again, short one this time
moyes would of made barkley holding midfielder not allowing him to go at people
james vaughan had injuries look at him now
anichebe is crap, lazy, poor finisher and useless on the ball he rolled ciaran clark once and moyes said he is our drogba, lol, I said to my mate at the stsrt of the season gary cahill will get more goals than anichebe, he laughed but they are even on goals which for a striker is well embarrassing, in kone I trust ;)



Mike-Ox Long

06 Jan 2014 12:40:46
Hi Ed, now with utd having money to spend do you think baines will go for around £22-25 million. I think he will as Bryan has played well and looks like a very good replacement. We need the young Belgium striker I feel. Who would you like to see and what have you heard from the other eds

Jc

{Ed025's Note - moyes is a big fan of baines PC, as are most people, but in the end it will come down to bobby, i cant see us getting that much for him, but if RM thinks he can strengthen the squad in other areas then he may be willing to deal mate..

Baines will not be sold this window.

Ed025: every player has his price - at the right time, i.e. when RM decides it's right - but hasn't RM already 100% guaranteed that Baines won't be transferred during this January transfer window? Likewise with Barkley for whom we'd not even accept a world record offer during this January transfer window.
During a future transfer window - well who knows what the situation will be and how RM will want to move forward.

{Ed025's Note - if bobby thinks the price is right and baines wants to go, then if he feels it is right for the club he will go kev, he is a different case to ross, who is young and who,s price is on the up mate..