Everton Banter Archive June 06 2018

 

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06 Jun 2018 20:31:08
From what Brands has said, we need to ship b4 we can buy, and we havnt mega millions to spend, so have we or havnt we, can agree we need to trim the squad, not nameing players, but is our budget relying on what leaves?

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{Ed025's Note - its not really like that GH, we want to bring in new players and thats not a financial problem its about squad size as much as anything, some very average players are getting paid fortunes and thats what brands is trying to sort mate..

06 Jun 2018 22:16:09
I think GH the big thing is wages as Brands says we need to trim the squad our wage bill at the moment with I think 38 players is way too big and any new players may ask for higher wages than we are paying now, let's trim the squad get some money in from the transfers and lighten the wage bill then see were we go from there. I'm sure once we see movement things will become more clearer and we will start to see a more streamlined squad. I'm just happy we have someone like Brands who knows what he is doing has a plan and sees a bigger picture and is also looking to the our future.

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07 Jun 2018 07:56:12
In all probability Mr Moshri is now getting sound advice from someone (s) , reflected in his choice and appointment of Mr Brands, Mr Silva (you know my opinion on this one but of course he is now our Head Coach so deserves my support) and their backroom staff. One thing is certain, the advice he (Mr Moshri) had off someone (s) in appointing Mr Walsh and Mr Koeman left the Club bloated with poor to average talent at best. This has immediately led to Mr Brands and Mr Silva with a vast amount of cleaning up/ clearing out to do before they can even begin to recruit for vital positions in the Squad. A few weeks I predict before we begin to see the shape of Mr Brands/ Mr Silva's new squad. COYB.

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07 Jun 2018 09:29:10
DFS
You couldn't resist having a dig at Silva ( you know my opinion! )

You really amaze and disappoint me - you are supposed to be an Everton supporter for Christ's sake. You could have made your comments without the cheap shot. Shame on you.

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07 Jun 2018 10:56:12
Same old stuff bw, don't let it bug you mate, at last Everton are on the way back up, it's only one guys opinion, read the posts that matter.

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07 Jun 2018 11:08:37
He also said he deserves his support. let it go bw2412 let it go.

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07 Jun 2018 12:03:32
I know, I know, but I'm genuinely sorry that he can't grasp that the only thing he is doing is making himself look a fool and denying any pleasure in life.

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07 Jun 2018 14:23:53
Bw2412, you know nothing about me or my personal life. As GuernseyBlue says, it is only one persons opinion. If I am making myself look a fool, isn't that my right? As for pleasure in life, I am very happy thankyou.

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07 Jun 2018 21:39:29
We've got a pretty decent squad already and it's just a few additions the are needed. It needs a clear out which is well documented.

After this summer it's a case of building on those foundations being laid.

I'm looking forward to the attacking players already at the club and how they play with a more attacking manager.

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{Ed025's Note - i will have that john..

06 Jun 2018 20:25:35
Once Beands and Silva announced that around 12 will be leaving I hope you wrote to them degby to let them know they were crazy (humble pie round mine whenever you like)

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06 Jun 2018 13:33:36
Schneiderlin apparently wants to leave, is right, tara mate, good riddance.

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06 Jun 2018 14:00:01
Wouldn't be soon enough for me. He went on vacation for at least half the season - pathetic attitude/ application.

Came back at end for 3-4 games to attract interest. Anyone who wants him is welcome to him but make them and him pay. We owe him nothing.

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06 Jun 2018 15:46:06
Yeah get him out.
Shame as what a player when he decides it. But one bad apple is too many. Bad attitude and shocking professionalism.
At least he put in a few performances to help us get some of the 27 mil back.

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06 Jun 2018 20:25:13
On his day he is one of our better players but if he doesn't want to be here then he may a well be sold. At least we should get a reasonable amount of cash for him.

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07 Jun 2018 19:37:45
See your and others posts on Schneiderlin sa90, however, there is a very good footballer in there somewhere and perhaps if he (and some of our others) can be properly man-managed, we will see the true player once again. It doesn't matter young or old, the human trait of confidence is to stroke ego and letting them know they are wanted. Being boo'd (as is a supporters right, I know) at home games does nothing for the home Teams confidence and everything for the visiting Team. Hopefully the new season will see the new Management/ Coaching Staff and playing Squad they put out given our full support, no matter our differing opinions.

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07 Jun 2018 21:48:31
To be fair not many players looked good under the influence of the Neanderthal Big Sam.

By all accounts Marco thinks he best fits in the no6 of his system so let's see him in there and how it works.

Someone said the other day about giving everyone a clean slate and a chance. It wasn't a bad suggestion.

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08 Jun 2018 07:21:16
The problem I have with Scheiderlin is that it is his attitude not talent. Everyone can lose form sometimes but there is no excuse for a lack of effort. He went missing or most of last season when we were crying out for leaders.
When will he go missing the next time? I don't trust him so want him out so that someone who at least wants to make the effort every week can come in. He shouldn't need motivating, his own professional pride should be there.

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06 Jun 2018 13:13:25
Ok, being realistic, let's going to take more than one window to offload the apparent 12 to be culled. Given that, I think we need to focus therefore on jettisoning the following, realised via fire-sale and / or paying a proportion of wages / on loan if needs be:

- Williams (a walking catastrophe it pains me to say)
- Mirallas (a petulant and inconsistent prima donna, particularly since Moyes left)
- Schneiderlein (scandalous lack of effort in the first half of the season not to be forgotten)
- Martina (simply not good enough)
- Robles (happy with Stek as back-up and promotion from U23s for the time being)
- Bolasie (a lovely smile and delightful; personality does not make up for a lack of final product)
-Sandro (if he wants out and is settled in Spain, I see no point in forcing him to stay. also struck me as a somewhat of a lightweight headless chicken)
- Klaassen (suspect a fresh start is needed by all concerned.

Given what we're facing and the absolute need to determination, togetherness and a strong work-ethic, I'd retain those players that might not play a part beyond this season, but who can offer something here and now. That would include Rooney, Niasse, Jags, Baines, Besic, Funes Mori.

Lookman must start and I'd like to see Vlasic in the squad come August. Dowell to be given a chance this season, Colgate restored and DCL given less starts and greater opportunity to study and mature on the bench - we expected far too much of him last season.

Signings? A LB (although the American kid looks tasty) , 1, preferably 2 CBs, a mercurial AM and a forward capable of plundering 20 a season. Not much to ask, haha!

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06 Jun 2018 14:06:30
Don't disagree with much you say but would move Rooney, Besic, Niasse and Funes Mori to the to go list purely because we won't be able to get rid of all of them

Rooney and Funes Mori I think want to go, Niasse hasn't the skill levels we require and Besic, I like but I think we are going to get in one, maybe two better.

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06 Jun 2018 15:47:37
Im sure we will get a large number of the 12 of the books.

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06 Jun 2018 15:57:14
Niasse should be 1st out of the door. People want him to stay because of his bad treatment and then are blinded by what he offers which is very very little. He severely lacks skill, runs around like a headless chicken and his goals scored are very scruffy, more luck that they go in than anything.
He is a long way from PL standard and should be shipped out asap to put an end to this sentimentality we seem to have for him.

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06 Jun 2018 17:08:18
Spot on Worcester. Not a top six striker and still at the club because of sentiment. No room for that if you want to win stuff.

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06 Jun 2018 17:13:54
I would personally keep the 3 strikers we have got and build around them. A winger, a CM, a CB and a LB. Maybe an AM as well. Then I think the season after this one we should be in a better position the capture the right striker. From the list of outs I would keep jags and ship the rest out. Klassen on loan for me. Lascelles as the CB.

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07 Jun 2018 06:59:39
Niasse scores some good and important goal, the scruffy lucky ones were due to his persistence and work rate, I would keep him as back up sort of player you want coming on for the last 20/ 15 mins if we are up against it.

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07 Jun 2018 11:05:12
He was in the squad because he can score goals. He works harder than anyone and seems to lift those around him. As third choice, I would keep him. Makes no sense to put Tosun and Dom third choice striker. What do you reccomend we buy a third choice striker or buy two and loan Dom out?

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07 Jun 2018 11:59:42
I disagree. What happens of Tosun gets injured? Do we rely on DCL as our only striker?
Sandro isn't coming back, Rooney is off to sun it up in America so I don't see any issue with keeping him until January at least. Also Niasse is the only striker who has played in Silvas pressing style before.
Let's not do a Lukaku or Barry and get rid before we have a settled replacement.

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06 Jun 2018 12:05:34
Is it paper talk or do we we reallyr want to get rid of lookman. I can't believe it. Surely they have mistaken him for Bolaisse!

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06 Jun 2018 12:49:45
I cannot believe for a single moment anyone in their right mind would look to offload him. I'm in my 40s now and been bludgeoned into pragmatism by the attrition of life, so appreciate the need to drastically cut the wage bill, but to dispose of such a prospect would be both maddening and madness: on the rare occasions he's been given the chance to work the ball he's been electric, and now further vindication via a successful stint in the Bundesliga.

My only real fear (given everything Brands and Silva have said about the need to work with young players / the intent to first appraise the entire squad) is Lookman himself might want out, disillusioned by his treatment thus far.

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{Ed002's Note - Lookman wants to play and he won't necessarily get that opportunity at Everton. The loan has worked out really well for him and there is interest from several clubs.}

06 Jun 2018 13:18:09
He'd walk into LW at the moment.

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07 Jun 2018 20:00:17
Have no idea why Lookman was not given a decent chance under Koeman and Allardyce, perhaps Allardyce in particular was worried about consistency and its sustainability. We have a new Management/ Coaching staff in situ now and they are currently (probably for weeks prior) assessing and discussing on each players ability. I would be surprised if Lookman does not rate highly on their list, if not, I can only assume (guess) there are other factors involved.

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06 Jun 2018 08:56:14
Onyekuru, Lookman, Siggy, Pickford, Coleman, Gueye, Walcott. I WANT

Schneiders, Davies, Keane, Bolasie, Tosun, Calvert Lewin. JURY OUT

The rest can be sols as far as I am concerned.

What a job Brands has!

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06 Jun 2018 09:36:01
So 7 definites - 1 of which we probably can't get a work permit for. 7 maybes making a total of 14

That means we have to sign another 11-16 players and get rid of approx. 16 - 25

and knit them all together

Keep dreaming.

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06 Jun 2018 12:04:12
You want Onyekuru who hasn’t kicked a ball for us. Yet you have doubts over Tosun. And Baines can Sols as you say?

Come on Smeggs, you’re having a shocker there lad.

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06 Jun 2018 11:56:14
How is jury out on dom? he's had one full season in the top flight of english football same with davies? this is why English talent doesn't develop aswel anymore people just expect them to be world class after half a season.

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06 Jun 2018 13:22:13
I don't think smeggs was serious when he posted. If it was whatever he's on should have a health warning.


Much prefer his posts though to the constant doom and gloom from DFS and Dark Clouds. At least we can smile reading his.

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06 Jun 2018 16:02:14
Davies, Keane, Calvert Lewin and Tosun should all definitely stay. Jury very much in for me there!

Onyekuru needs to be sold and quickly. I don't see him getting a permit anytime soon and at this rate his contract will run down first, thus losing any profit we might be able to make.
It's a hell of a shame but the reality of his situation.

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06 Jun 2018 20:12:54
The young lads have done well. Tosun was by the far the most isolated and unsupported player in the league and he did well.

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07 Jun 2018 08:12:23
Got the reaction I expected. I was just tired of all the doom and gloom. The players I mentioned are all positives for the squad but I would like to know if anyone can add to my list. If we are to narrow the gap to the top 6 we have 14 players that will/ can make it. If we have 35 players in the squad I would like to know who out of the 21 players can really get to top 6 level. We have our work cut out!

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Review Of The Day 6th June 2018

06 Jun 2018 07:40:45
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 6th June 2018

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06 Jun 2018 00:11:14
I reckon now we got rid of the rot, and employed an ace DOF and a class attacking coach. I think we are going to be alright. I think now you can't blame the management. If the team fails then it's that the team isn't good enough and Brands will get rid and replace as necessary.
Brands and Silva were supposedly chatting to each other before any of them signed, so either of them could of pulled out.
I know I shouldn't be getting excited but if Marcel can get another striker, a left back, a centre back and get Lookman on the left wing. I think we could be pushing for Europe with Marco's tactics. That is what we need. If Marcel can pull that off in the massively shortened transfer market then the man is a god. If he can't then I think top 10 but good football I'm happy to pay for.

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06 Jun 2018 00:26:57
Top 10? It's about 7th (anything higher is brilliant but a bonus) even he with no name got in top 10 pretty easily. This season it's about bridging the point gulf.
We need to be aiming for about 62 65 points. Obviously those numbers in years past (depending upon year) would have put us in contention for top 6.
Otherwise I agree Mowfee82.

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06 Jun 2018 12:09:01
7th has to be the goal. We went backwards when we were expected to get into the top 6 or at least make it a top 7. So I’d say being best if the rest is a realistic target. And closing the gap to 6th would be a very good season indeed.

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06 Jun 2018 14:38:39
I don't really want to put a position on it.
If we can have a good close season, get 3-4 quality additions to the squad, jettison a lot of the deadwood we have in our current inflated squad size I will be happy
Having said that. If we can do that, there is no reason not to expect a good season with a stronger defence, an attack minded midfield, a cutting edge up front and our youngsters coming through. I just won't be pissed off if we end up 6th, 7th or even 10th as long I can see progress.

Let's give the new team time and hopefully they will exceed expectations rather than put pressure on them and be disappointed.

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06 Jun 2018 20:17:29
Any lower than 7th is a failure. Yet we can't expect any higher. Our sqaud isn't as bad as it seems we are just unbalanced still and have had poor management.

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