Everton Banter Archive August 07 2016

 

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07 Aug 2016 23:29:10
Having watched Manchester United today I have to say I wish we forked out the £30million to sign Eric Bailly as a replacement for Stones crikey what a centre half.
However Ed any further rumours we are linked with Mata after the incident regarding him today.
Also I watched Celtic today (a rarity) Leigh Griffiths what a player reminds me a lot of Jamie Vardy and would like to see us in for such a player any interest and how much would he cost. (Not a face for the billboards) .

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08 Aug 2016 13:11:14
Agree. He looked a great player.

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07 Aug 2016 23:04:38
Honestly Blues is there anything in this Benteke rumour or is it just paper talk, to be honest I would have him in a heart beat that lad will get you goals if he is played regularly but I doubt they would sell to us can't see this being true anyway.

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08 Aug 2016 13:13:12
I would take Benteke all day long, the dark side do not play with wingers, he would have a field day with the crosses from Del boy, Coleman and Baines,

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07 Aug 2016 22:32:58
Just had to sign up again dunno why but wouldn't let me log on. Got some solid info that stones to city is 100% happening either tomorrow or Tuesday it will be all over Internet and whatever shortly I imagine.

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07 Aug 2016 22:53:19
What's the deal then browner? Strictly cash or cash and player.

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07 Aug 2016 23:02:22
Couldn't tell u mate sorry I reckon we will find out soon enough. Be nice if aguero or de bruyne were thrown into the deal haha.

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08 Aug 2016 00:31:07
Nah no thinking high enough mate. aguero and de bruyne plus 10m should covery stones.

On a serious note. id take bony and Hart plus a 15m . that'd be a decent deal.

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08 Aug 2016 02:24:25
Don't want Hart, he's garbage.

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08 Aug 2016 02:44:54
want a top line keeper, but would rather go with what we have, than hart, or did knowone watch the euros.

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08 Aug 2016 06:09:39
Id take bony definitely not hart.

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08 Aug 2016 14:09:16
Hart really is not that bad a keeper, he is the number one English keeper by a long way.

The worst thing in my opinion about being a keeper is that we tend to remember the games they dropped a clanger, we can tell each other the exact date, time, opposition, and circumstance behind it, yet when they play well we just accept it.

A keeper can keep a result as 0 - 0 and play out of his skin but would rarely get the man of the match award.

Hart is worth another 6 points per season to us and if offered we should take him. ( p. s I would still prefer Kasper Schmeichel all day long but that's not going to happen ) .

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07 Aug 2016 21:37:46
Good insigh into what Koeman is looking for out of the team.

By the sound of what he is saying there will be players that won't fit his philosophy. So before having a go at him, let him get HIS team together then start judging him.

We are not the most patient of supporters but I remember when Moyes came and we understood the job he had. We gave him plenty of time to get us away from relegation we should do the same for Koeman to rid us of this disastrous Martinez era.

Come on blues let's pull together and show not just this Saturday but every game how bloody good we are.

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07 Aug 2016 22:03:45
He's clearly not happy with our lack of pressing. Too nice and slow in possession. So we need a few players to adopt a new philosophy that has no trace of Martinez nice man approach. Idrisse Gueye is a good example and stood out against United. So I don't mind him taking his time as he clearly knows what the team needs in order to play his way.

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07 Aug 2016 22:50:10
Well said.

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08 Aug 2016 00:33:32
Very well said. . but if that is the case to me it means we need to really ring the chanhe's in centre of the park as that's where we're slowing down. maybe 3 or 4 never players and cleverley, gibbons, and maybe mo moved on.

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08 Aug 2016 08:35:44
I think for Koemans way of playing there isn't much there that meets his requirements. I would as far to say over the next three windows as many as 7 or 8 will have been moved on.

It sounds extreme but I think that's the job needed to break free of the weak Martinez team we have. We have too many players that do just a single role ie defend or attack. You need players with balance between the two.

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07 Aug 2016 20:19:53
Just read that ignacio camacho from malaga has a release clause of around 16m. id sign him for that price.

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{Ed002's Note - It is of no relevance - forget about "clauses".}

08 Aug 2016 02:55:40
There must be something in clauses Ed otherwise how come Villa could not stop Gueye coming to us.

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{Ed002's Note - Because Aston Villa are under Engflish law.}

08 Aug 2016 12:08:59
Is Engflish law a cross between English and Finnish law Ed?

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07 Aug 2016 19:07:53
Can I just say something. We was all looking forward to a good summer of new players, we got manager and dof, but they can only do so much. Why aren't we going out and getting the players needed. It still looks like we need to spend before we buy. Arguing about silly prices. Spend then let them go afterwards. Go make a statement. If we don't it's another summer of what could of been. So far I haven't Sen any difference in how we do things. All other top clubs spent, got players in, if we leave it to long, what then. What about if we sell lakaku and stones and use that money, where was the reported £100 before they were sold gone. I'm starting to worry seriously. I did expect a lot more

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07 Aug 2016 19:51:33
It's been said loads already PB that we are not that an attractive proposition to players as we are not London based nor do we have Europe to offer. It will take time but have faith and patience in what Moshiri &Co are trying to achieve. We have already come a long way from where we finished last season but still have some way to go yet. Keep the faith the sleeping giant has started to wake from its slumber!

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07 Aug 2016 21:15:55
Am I missing something? Is this the last season of the premierships ever? If it is then I would be annoyed. If not then I'm happy and impressed that our NEW manager and DoF are assessing the squad and players properly before spending any money. Rather than panicking and going out and buying any players just because other teams are signing players.

Look how much the other half have spent over the last 10 years? Where has that got them? People that made those decisions should be locked up IMO. What a waste of money, energy and effort.

I'm very impressed our new owner had our long term future as his main concern. This can be seen how he took his time getting Koeman. Even when it looked like we weren't going to get him he prevailed. Same for Walsh. Two top men. He didn't panic or divert his attentions. He knew what he wanted and got it.

While being lucky with our new owner we are also very lucky with his new recruitments. Very measured professionals who know what they are at. I have every faith in this new set up. From the top down the right decisions are being made and the right people are coming in.

Imo it is only a matter of time before that transfers onto the pitch. The players will come in time. We'll have to be patient.

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07 Aug 2016 23:19:05
Well said Ginger and NBTB.

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08 Aug 2016 13:03:25
Maybe I was expecting to much, I mean getting players in early.

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08 Aug 2016 20:46:24
I know Pb78 I'd love us to be signing players too but I try to keep it realistic. Its a game to us supporters but in reality for the people making the decisions its a big business.

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07 Aug 2016 16:48:24
I know people will comment on his wages, but if we are looking to offer Rom £135k a week, if we let Lukaku go for Bergovic and Remmy, why not push the boat out and bring Van Persie in, high wages but worth it with virtually no transfer fee.

Bring in Williams for Stones, we would then have a top goal keeper, centre half and three forwards with no cash outlay, then bring it n a commanding midfielder and where ever else with the vast amount we pocketed.

If all goes well, we can push the boat put and bring in more players in January or next season.

For me if our short term fix works, that will move us up a level, enabling Everton to be a more attractive option in the future.

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07 Aug 2016 19:18:58
Really? How many games are we going to get out of van Persie? Sorry but I don't want him at Everton.

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07 Aug 2016 14:01:33
People still talking about Witsel, as soon as the Pogba/ Utd saga started the only place he will go is Juventus. Good luck to him, we will do better without him. Only need players who want to play football not just for the money, venue or star status. We might have some money now, but that has never guaranteed winners. Look at the money Utd and Kloppites have wasted recently not to mention a host of Italian teams.

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07 Aug 2016 12:54:50
I have been saying for a week now, why don't we ask for Remmy, Bergavic and £60 million, seems that's now the latest rumer, for me I would jump at that offer, then if Stones goes to City for cash and Bonny, we then have 2 strikers and a goalkeeper in place, sign Ashly Williams with Holgate waiting in the wings, and still bring in other players where needed, even another striker and holding midfielder.

What seems like A disaster could turn out to benifit Everton and have one hell of amount of cash over to bring in some top class players.

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07 Aug 2016 13:25:18
It all sounds like good business to me.

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07 Aug 2016 14:11:32
I think it's becoming obvious we can't attract players that players that will take us to the champions league this summer so I think it would be shrewd business to take these players, hopefully challenge for Europa maybe and raise our stock within the game over the next season, then maybe we'll have more chance next season with a massive transfer kitty at our disposal, I can't see us using anywhere near the 100m this summer, plus the 95, minus a few signings would leave us with say 150m next season and the prices might be a bit more sensible again. Not to say I think lukaku and stones valuations are realistic, but if we can get it we may as well take it if they don't want to be here.

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07 Aug 2016 14:16:18
We would never get Remy, Begovic and 60m for Lukaku. That's just crazy. Also this story just seems like papers jumping on the bandwagon of the Bony + cash story for Stones.

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07 Aug 2016 19:41:20
I think a lot of blues could be surprised over next few weeks. there is no koeman or Walsh would have taken their positions without the club being committed to investment. no chance on earth. especially Walsh. that's the main remit for his position. sit tight.

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07 Aug 2016 12:16:42
The problem with are club is that sadly these days in which we live in everyone wants to be rich and famous and have more than there next door neighbour as to speak and footballers are one of the worse for this attitude everton are simply just not big enough or famous enough to play for any more.

footballers want to play for one of the glory clubs and live in area full of big heads who think they are better than every body else we will never be able to attract big name footballers any more and it's not just are club who will have this problem it's just the times in which we live.

take man utd for example they don't have fans as such it's more of a trend a fashion it's the thing to do follow man utd most of them live on the other side of the world and make the club millions the same thing is happening in spain, Italy and other countries so you can forget us signing any big names or ever winning any major tournament in the foreseeable future or in my life time that's for sure.

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07 Aug 2016 12:45:40
Sad but true.

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07 Aug 2016 13:02:37
Im a little more optimistic. Can you imagine the pull if we had a state of the art stadium in the docks?
Moshiri is no mug and will be working dam hard behind the scenes to get the club run properly. This includes sponsers which will increase the brand of everton.
Finally we have very capable manager and a well respected dof. Granted it will take a season or 2 to get the performances/ players on the pitch that we need.
With all the improvements both on and off the field the only way everton can go is up. And within maybe 2-3 years we will be a much more attractive option for potential recruits.
People seem to forget that everton has had major changes behind the scenes. More than any other club in the prem recently. So when other clubs are strengthening maybe they had a lot more time in planning what they need compared to us. This transfer window will be the most frustrating for many reasons but future windows will be much better all round.

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07 Aug 2016 13:03:59
Although there is a lot of truth in what you say Skylark I wouldn't give up on Everton to return to the big time. Cycles do happen and the big time may return to Everton.

I'm not saying it definitely will happen but what I am saying is it could very well happen. I'm certainly not going to give up on it.

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07 Aug 2016 13:04:13
I wonder if Leicester thought that?

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07 Aug 2016 13:33:15
I truly believe we will be a top four club again however it will take time and patience stadium players etc doesn't happen in one pre season! Book a season ticket for 2020 and you may see the Champions at the new Goodison!

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07 Aug 2016 13:39:04
Good post Anomblue.

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07 Aug 2016 12:03:39
See player we been linked with was on target last night Sebastian Haller of utrecht watched him last night didn't look bad he is better than any other striker we have except for ROM when he can be bothered to turn up.

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07 Aug 2016 11:59:20
If any of these reports are true of stones to city for 35 mill + boy, and lukaku to choose for cash + begovic and remy, then we have cash plus the two striker needed for the season and the goalkeeper much needed. They may not be everyones cup of tea, but both can finish and i think they have had a hard time if it at there club. As for begovic, he is a proven goalkeeper in our league and i believe would be a fantastic signing. These are all just rumours though, but if true, i wouldn't complain. I think we will had a defender signed soon enough. looks too. Actually looking forward to the spurs game, signings or not. COYB.

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07 Aug 2016 12:58:21
I just wrote a post similar to this, spooky, wrote it before I read through other posts on here, I am singing from the same hymn sheet as you Dentielad.

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07 Aug 2016 13:23:05
Thinking the same, Remy is a very good striker when fit, Everyone was screaming to sign Bony before he went to city, playing regular football it won't be long before he gets sharp again and I've always rated Begovic. If we can get those 3 plus 95m then that would be great business. Lukaku isn't a 60m striker, he could be if he can sort his first touch but that's remains to be seen. He's best running onto through balls and can't unlock defences, I'm skeptical how he'll do at Chelsea as teams will sit back more against them. Currently we could get a better defender in than stones, yes he has the potential to be a world class player but he currently isn't and there are holes in his defensive game. If we could get a first refusal clause in there should either be surplus to requirements in the future then that would be even better.

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07 Aug 2016 14:08:34
I agree. bony can scored goals and hold the ball up brilliantly, remy doing what lukaku does i. e. run in being defenders, then imo, we will scored goals, and with barkley, deulofeu and mirallas chipping in, plenty of them. just hope its not lazy journalism and the deals happen.

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07 Aug 2016 19:26:28
My only concern with remy is his fitness.

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06 Aug 2016 12:03:06
I've been reading the posts about Hibbo and Ossie and there seems to be 2 camps in the discussion. Personally, I'm a bit disappointed that nobody at the club took the 5 minutes a personal phone call to the lads would have taken.
However, this seems to be the way big businesses and organisations work these days, like it or not. I'd just be interested to hear what Ed025's thoughts on the matter are? We're from the same generation and I wonder if he, like me, is a bit surprised that Bill K didn't contact the lads personally?

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{Ed025's Note - im very surprised tezza, business is one thing but courtesy and doing the right thing is important to me, these guys have been well paid for their services dont get me wrong...but there is a right way and a wrong way to conduct yourself in life and i think the club let themselves and us down on this one mate..

07 Aug 2016 11:15:48
Agree with both comments and also believe Hibbert and the club are both right in some ways and both wrong in others. As Toffee Tezza says all it would have took was 5mins to personally tell Hibbert, Osman and maybe even Pienaar they were being let go. It wouldn't of been hard and IMO they deserved it. Surprised at the club and even more so at BK. Doesn't seem his style.

As mentioned before the players were payed handsomely and don't really have a case to complain. Hibbert should of kept his mouth shut. Now he looks like the one being wrong.

So there you have it. I believe the club were right to let them go but wrong in the way they went about it. I believe Hibbert was right in that the club should of told them personally but he should of kept it to himself and not went public with it.

No good was to come of it. Now supporters who adored him are thinking he's a bit of a plonker. Making a big issue out of it and him being a multi millionaire out of the club. I suppose he probably feels hard done by as he devoted his whole life to Everton. Something I and a lot of people would love to have done and getting rich while doing it. IMHO that's why he's not getting any sympathy from certain Evertonians.

That's the way I see it.

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07 Aug 2016 11:20:58
Thing is here Ed025 that 2 wrongs do not make a right. Yes the club was wrong but more so, Hibbo was also wrong. How do we know that RM was supposed to of done it weeks prior to him being sacked?

We all tend to judge whilst only knowing one side of the story.

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{Ed025's Note - i get what your saying grumpy but i cant see why hibbo would lie about suh a thing, to hear you are being finished up by a second party is out of order for me mate in any walk of life, im very proud to be associated with this club and believe we conduct our business in the right manner but feel we have got it wrong in this case..

07 Aug 2016 11:51:05
Hibbert, Piennar and Osman should have had the same send off that Howard had.

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07 Aug 2016 14:07:21
Unless I am mistaken, I am pretty sure Everton said we would give Hibbert two more years after his testimonial, now surely he and his agent would have made a note of the date, his agent knew his contract was winding down, how on earth has he not approached Everton to renegotiate a further contract.

I agree he should have been informed by the club, taking into account the Martinez sacking, how do we know if this was part of Martinezs role, its so unlike Everton, communication has been lost somewhere, but I for one see it as a blip rather than a snub.

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07 Aug 2016 16:50:00
I agree Baz, players are paid handsomely and have agents to do the negotiating for them, so why should the club contact the player personally? Surely his agent should be sorting his deal knowing his current contract is coming to an end, be it with us or another club.

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07 Aug 2016 00:48:26
If players want to leave, a price is being discussed, why the he'll haven't we bought players in to replace them, if this transfer window turns into another kenwrigbt scandle of we tried really hard right till the end but would just couldn't get the players I'm going to be a very unhappy Everton fan, I'm no manager and I pretend to no the ins and outs of running a football club, but even my 9year old can see what we are crying out for even before we kicked a bloody ball in preseason, I'm not saying he doesn't need to see the players but our team had 2 main goal scores and no back for any of them, what's hard in that to work out, then tweak the team with additional players in preseason, not wait till the season starts, now lakaku might be injured, who will fill his place, oh yeah, Kone, what is it 8 goals in three years, what a joke.

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07 Aug 2016 01:40:40
The only problem is that we are Everton, who uave finished 11th last couple of seasons, it may well be that the players that can take us to the next level don't want to come to us.
As much as we love the club, the players don't.
Look at Witsel, we have supposedly offered more money and better wages than other clubs and he still hasn't decided.
These sort if things will be tue main reason that we have struggled to sign players.
Name anyone that hasn't gone to the perceived top 6 teams that we should have signed.
None spring to mind for me.

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07 Aug 2016 06:26:48
Jlmcr5, I agree with your point, but I'm sure we will get a couple of players in before the window closes, we just have to get behind whoever is wearing the blue shirt.

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07 Aug 2016 07:56:37
That's more like it Ox.

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07 Aug 2016 09:23:18
I will always get behind my team, but I have concerns, there's nothing wrong with having my say, we really struggled last season and I don't see any improvement so far, if your all sitting back thinking look out we are going to be top 4then I'd say you are deluded, we need winner brought in, I just don't see it with what we have, it only takes a shaky start to put us in a bad place, see Newcastle.

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07 Aug 2016 11:18:09
Surprised me there Oxford. As Stef says that's more like it.

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