Everton Banter Archive January 07 2018

 

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07 Jan 2018 22:46:00
Just watched the Notts Forest highlights Dowell did really well and a great team performance hope he gets some playing time next season looks a talented youngster be good to see him I'm a blur shirt.

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07 Jan 2018 23:00:16
*Blue shirt*.

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07 Jan 2018 23:31:25
Yes he did play well, they had the whole game on here in Florida. Made a goal and scored a penalty although some controversy that he made contact with the ball with his right foot (a slip) before scoring with his left.

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08 Jan 2018 00:21:42
Yep he is doing good. Thought he did very well pre season for us. Got some good goals. Was suprised he was loaned out tbf. At least he is playing constantly as is connolly at Ipswich.

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08 Jan 2018 11:46:36
I'd prefer him in blurr shirt. More speed in midfield is always welcome.

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08 Jan 2018 18:33:48
Hope we will see him at Goodison "Park Life" soon!

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07 Jan 2018 19:27:38
Hey Ed 025 with Ross and Kev out the door, anymore to follow do you think, i would reckon on Mo Besic, he has not figured for a good while.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant see many more going GB but i suppose that will depend on who we can bring in mate..

08 Jan 2018 11:03:56
On the one hand I would hate to see Besic go but on the other the lads playing style makes him a certainty to miss many games through injury (and he has been particularly unlucky in that his injuries have been serious one's) , being cold hearted that is costing us in wages for a player we are currently not getting much game time out of. If he goes, even for a pittance then that frees up more wage money for potential incomings.

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08 Jan 2018 12:28:48
DFS we are saturated in that area of the field and i can't see who he'd get a start in front of, apart from Schneiderlin but he isn't going to get dropped anytime soon. Probably best for both parties if he moves on. Its time to put sentiment to one side where our squad is concerned and move on the hangers on. don't know what you think?

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07 Jan 2018 20:56:18
Blimey Grumpy mate, love the posts, but remember, in the words of Mr Emery (I know you will remember mate) , Ooh Your Are Awful LOL.

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07 Jan 2018 21:39:52
I certainly do mate I certainly do.

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08 Jan 2018 14:52:00
Lol people disagreeing with me that I remember Dick Emery how sad is that.

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07 Jan 2018 19:28:13
I would like to see with the team we have at the minute pickford Kenny holgate jags/ Williams Martina gueye mccarthy/ Rooney bolasie lookman sigs tosun. What you all think?

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07 Jan 2018 20:28:56
Pickford
Kenny, Holgate, Keane, L/ B
Bolasie, Siggerson, Gueye, Lookman
Tosun, DCL

Have to get centre backs settled and playing together. Give them time to get confidence and build a partnership.

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07 Jan 2018 19:18:00
Hi Grumpy mate I see your post below has opened a right old hornets nest, keep em comin mate most excellent reads.

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07 Jan 2018 20:22:31
Lol, every Sunday mate, We will call them Grumpies Groans.

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07 Jan 2018 20:38:10
love it mate, (you just know your going to get some thumbs down) LOL.

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07 Jan 2018 21:01:57
lol I think it's baller giving me the thumbs down.

I know things are all well when I get the thumbs down on here :-)

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07 Jan 2018 18:34:55
Ed someone mentioned Bakambu earlier on to me today anythin your end mate?

I believe we showed interest before unsure if it was Walsh interest or Martinez though.

Cheers

Everton the gear.

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{Ed002's Note - There as interest from Everton but he will move to Beijing Guoan.}

07 Jan 2018 19:16:26
Cheers ed, is ay another decent player wasted by going to China but look at what it done for Paulinho haha. Got him a load of money an a move to Barca. Fair play.

Everton the gear.

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07 Jan 2018 15:44:04
I hope these dembele rumours posted in the rags are true. i'd be made up if the guy signed for us.

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07 Jan 2018 17:13:05
I agree if we can get him for £20m I believe he could be a talent. Sure he does it in a poor league, but the boy does have something about him. Possibly a little similar to Cenk in the way he plays.

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07 Jan 2018 18:04:22
I would love us to sign him he has missive potential.

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07 Jan 2018 14:43:12
I think we have the strangest supporters any club could have regards posts on these forums.

Before Christmas most of you were asking for sweeping changes in the squad and the general consensus was to get rid of our players and start over.

To that end we have got rid of 2 players, 1 sold and the other loaned, who have only managed 5 appearances this season ( 3 as substitutes included in that 5 ) Neither player has been pivotal in our season yet a lot of posters seem to be hard done by.

Mirallas has gone back to Olympiakos on loan with no option to buy at the end of it, I would imagine Everton will be watching him very closely as he gets regular first team football to see if he gets his edge back, because he his capable of some decent football at times and needs to rekindle his passion and be a lot more consistent if he wants to regain his Everton spot.

Now Barkley, hasn't kicked a ball for us this season. We all knew last summer he was going to leave and that it will be either Tottenham or Chelsea where he would end up. Tottenham ruled themselves out at the beginning of this transfer window so that leaves Chelsea as the only club interested in him. That rather limits his choices in where he should go. This is where the conspiracy merchants step in, accusing both Barkley and Chelsea of hatching a plan to split the £20m difference in purchase price between them. Why not just let his contract run out and split the £35m if true?

Do people really believe that both Chelsea and Barkley would do this for whar are really paltry amounts in todays game? What are the repercussions if it comes to light? Chelsea would be risking a ban on buying any player for a number of seasons, goodbye to champions league for them as well, Barkley would risk a potential lifetime ban on playing football for a paltry £10m.

I will be more than happy to call him whatever name anyone wished me to call him on a proviso of one condition, that being, Tell me the name of the person who brokered this alleged deal for Chelsea, or to make it easier just give me proof that this conspiracy is indeed true, not too much to ask, or is it?

Posters on here are moaning about why it takes us so long yet other teams only take a day usually in the same breath those same posters complain about us not releasing info fast enough for them, maybe if we did not release any info until after the deal has been done ( like many other clubs) that will appease most of you. That player leaving those across the park from us for £143m will not be signing his new contract with Barcelona for another 48 hours. Once things have been agreed between clubs and then clubs and new players contract, that are acceptable to both sides, need to be drafted up for perusal then drawn up for signing. That takes time.

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07 Jan 2018 14:56:10
Good post mate.

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07 Jan 2018 15:11:57
Just thought I would have my weekly moan GB mate, no harm meant to anyone.

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07 Jan 2018 15:16:16
good post but have to disagree reg Barkley I personally feel they both agreed to wait til Jan as he had a injury that way Chelsea save money and Barkley gets a higher signing on fee and gets to recuparite at home and Everton footing the medical bill they haven't done anything illegal but it's a shi#tty thing to do to the club your supposed to love.

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{Ed002's Note - Nonsense Bluey. It is the Merseyside Paranoia kicking in.}

07 Jan 2018 15:20:01
Grumpy never let the truth get in the way of a good story especially if it’s a conspiracy story 😂
Barkley is gone and good luck to him as is Mirallas so let’s concentrate on the players we have or will bring in. And get behind the team to push as high up the league as we can.

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07 Jan 2018 15:23:49
agree with Ed 002 on that one.

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07 Jan 2018 15:26:39
Agree Grumpy at least you say it as it is on the tin mate and not with a forked tongue, keep em comin mate.

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07 Jan 2018 15:39:46
Imagine the uproar if we paid £25+ million for Tuson and then he had major surgery on his hamstring so wasn’t available to play for 6months. But some of our fans wanted Chelsea to do that in August and because they didn’t it’s Barkley’s fault. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

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07 Jan 2018 15:41:01
Bluey it is called business, even billionaires watch the pennies, how do you think they became billionaires in the first place. No conspiracies but lots of conspiracy theories LOL.

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07 Jan 2018 15:43:08
Exactly mate hit the nail on the head lol.

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07 Jan 2018 16:01:58
Wasn't Tosun the 2nd or 3rd player signed by a prem team in January? By the 5th of Jan as well. Not too shabby really.

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07 Jan 2018 16:13:22
You tell em Smit mate.

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07 Jan 2018 17:53:14
I agree with all the posts above with one exception. We will have to agree to disagree on this conspiracy theory Bluey mate.

Damn I'm being nice today, such a strange feeling :-)

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07 Jan 2018 18:07:56
ha ha Grumpy just how it looks and from a Chelsea point of view it makes perfect business sense why buy a player who can't play leave him where he is then buy him at a cheaper price we would do the same thing but it hurts as I hoped he would stay and ED02 not paranoia it's just how it looks that's all.

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{Ed002's Note - It is actually a conspiracy against the Merseyside clubs Bluey?}

07 Jan 2018 20:20:28
Well you've convinced me ED002 thanks for the clarification :-)

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07 Jan 2018 21:58:40
😂😂 ED02 I'm glad you have noticed that as I was about to leave me missus and kids and sit in a dark room trawling the internet regarding conspiracies against merseyside.

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08 Jan 2018 11:11:09
Good post as usual Grumpy. What do you think of our current form?

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08 Jan 2018 14:23:39
Personally Ducks mate I was more than happy with the display they gave against Liverpool, I know there is still a lot to do but I feel the team is progressing in the right direction.

Our main problem as I see it is consistency, without that our good games are quickly forgotten. Sam still has some tweaking to do but needs to be very careful how he goes about it, our team at the moment is very fragile and too many new faces could have an adverse effect on them. I have no doubt what's so ever that Sam is starting to build for next season and as such will attract a couple of decent additions in the summer window. The thing to remember here is that small steps are still steps.

If we continue to play as we played against Liverpool and we can utilise Tosun to his full capabilities then we may surprise a few people for the remainder of the season. I am in no doubt we have improved but as I have said we are far from the finished article and it will take the summer window to get us near to where we want to be.

I think that's the fairest I can be Ducks mate.

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07 Jan 2018 14:02:43
We now have three aged-over-21 players - Browning, Mirallas and Pennington - out on loan until the end of the season. Do you think any of them will return to Everton's Premier League squad for next season or will they be loaned out again or even leave permanently?

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{Ed025's Note - that will depend on how they progress and if sam sees them in his plans bobby..

07 Jan 2018 14:14:15
Ed025: of course, but who do you think is likely to stay at Everton? We are limited to just 25 aged-over-21 players in the registered PL squad and we currently have 23.

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{Ed025's Note - if i had to guess bobby i would say none of them 3 mate..

07 Jan 2018 13:15:31
It looks like Mirallas just like Barkley has split the posters on here. Some sad to see him go and some over the moon.
Me personally, I don't think I ever looked at him the same way after the penalty incident. Inconsistent is the word I would use to describe him, but I did at times think we should bring him on in games we were struggling in, just to see if he could produce the magic he used to do.
Lately though I haven't been bothered by not seeing him on the bench as I would rather Lookman or Vlasic take his place.

I do hope he does well with his new team.

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07 Jan 2018 14:39:17
Same as that mate.

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07 Jan 2018 15:38:23
Going to say the same thing i did about Barkley going, Good luck to him hope he does well Kev hasn't been Mr consistent but he's got a fresh start and hopefully he will turn his loan into a permanent deal.

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07 Jan 2018 11:35:47
Just been reading the posts below re Miralles and not wanting to let him go etc, good riddance I say he has been so inconsistent for us and not to mention his appalling attitude there's far better out there who would want to put the Everton Shirt on and give 100%, glad to see the back of him myself, hope we get a decent fee for Big Sam to bring in another recruit.

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07 Jan 2018 12:28:10
The point being that we have now got rid of two of the Clubs best players. Barkley is certainly better off where he is now (as long as he keeps away from the London Club Scene) and Mirallas because of his heritage. The fact remains though that both when on song certainly made us a better Team and Big Sam certainly wished to keep Barkley. On another tack, the way the Club seems to do business means with Mirallas out that means we should expect another one in soon, then it just means another one out before the next one comes in LOL.

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07 Jan 2018 12:59:26
I agree with you mate on the last part re getting in recruits they do seem a lot smoother and quicker, first part I would never agree as classing Miralles as one of our best players remember that penalty issue, glad to see the back of him, but hey game of opinions cheers mate.

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07 Jan 2018 13:05:30
Miralles better than Lookman? I don't think so. Always flattered to deceive, and not really ever delivered for the team. Lookman is the future, Miralles is the past. Move on. As for Barkley, one word MONEY.

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07 Jan 2018 13:09:42
as I say for me he had brilliant flashes of talent but his attitude stank enough said, hope he does well in Olympiacos might get more lucre.

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07 Jan 2018 13:10:44
totally sums up those two Woburn mate, with you on that.

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07 Jan 2018 10:07:55
Seeing numerous names linked with us today, nzonzi, doucoure, rigoni, Walcott, mawson. and not a left back amongst them, which imho we really need.

Any of the eds got any idea as to who efc are actually in for?

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{Ed002's Note - Read the posts.}

07 Jan 2018 15:44:10
Don't believe everything you read in the papers mate. Pretty sure Sam is aware of the left back problem. On another note felt young Harry Charsley played really well in that position in the europa cup. I know it's not quite the same, but definitely one for the future.

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07 Jan 2018 02:58:13
Just watched Tosuns all 63 goals vid for Besiktas.

The lad reminds me of a more mobile and hard working Yakubu. Not the tallest/ biggest, but is strong on the ball and in the air.

He looks like an out an out finisher, but we need to make sure we get the right service to him, because some of his goals was from the level of keeper in the Turkish league being piss poor.

Looks like he could easily be a 15/ 20 goal a season striker, if he settles well enough.

Over to you Cenky la.

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07 Jan 2018 15:45:03
Be just nice to have someone who can hit the target.

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06 Jan 2018 23:33:50
Gutted TBH that mirallas has left - cannot believe the amount of comments about wanting to get rid of him

We need attacking options and here is a lad who has scored 40 goals in 130 appearance s for the club - yes his attitude may stink but when you are not given the opportunity to play no wonder especially when we need goals

Every season bar last mirallas was in the top 3 goalscores for the club since his arrival in 2013 - can't be that bad surely. there are many other players that needed to go before Mirallas IMHO.

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07 Jan 2018 00:19:37
Agreed.

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07 Jan 2018 01:02:18
The man had a terrible attitude. good riddance.

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07 Jan 2018 01:58:41
Mirallas should have been sold two years ago has done Nowt for last number of years. Get rid of snederlin and willians as well and get in tierney for left back and I’d love wilshire for creative midfielder ( long shot I know) . In summer will need a strong young Centre back, box to box midfielder and winger. Hope Tuson is the real deal 😬😬. DCL is going to be class as well please God 👍🏿👍🏿.

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07 Jan 2018 02:14:55
Actually only scored 30 in 150 games, he’s no attacking option, pace has gone now because his hamstrings are shattered.

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07 Jan 2018 03:18:05
By your own admittance ‘his attitude stinks’. So you reward him by letting him play week in, week out. What message does that give to the rest of the squad? To the youth? There is a bigger picture to look at, which we don’t see, it was his time to move as too many managers seem to see the same thing going on with him.

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07 Jan 2018 08:14:22
As the original poster said, he was our 3rd highest scorer up until last season. His assist record was also good up until last season. I remember posting about replacing players without goals in them and in the last 6 months we have got rid of our 3 top scorers. Lukaku, Barkley and now Mirallas. Ok Rooney has bagged a few and Sig if he stays fit. but their goal tally is way dowwn compared to the 3 we have lost other than that we have not many goals in the squad. Nowhere near what we had 2 years ago. that's why we are not scoring goals now. Its not rocket science. I sincerely hope Tosun bangs a few in and yes we need some goalscorers in the team. I am surprised we gave Mirallas a new contract tho.

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07 Jan 2018 09:05:24
5 managers have all used and dropped him! tells its own story.

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07 Jan 2018 09:40:57
To be fair degsy barkley got 5 and kev has got 4in his last two seasons. For kev it's not a big void left behind.

Niasse has already got 5 and sig and DCL have 3apeice.

From Dec to May last year we scored the most goals aside from Barcelona in the whole of Europe.

The big space to fill has been Rom. Hopefully we have found it although I would like another.

For me the problem scoring is, and this is not just Sam, too defensive tactics, not playing Lookman, Vlasic, Sig, in the right positions or consistently enough and confidence being knocked after playing the bigger teams all in a row when we are settling in a huge amount of new players.

Confidence is now coming back slightly but this is going to take time.

I would like also for us to get another player on the wings as Lennon for me even though his attitude is the best in the squad, is not good enough going forward.

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{Ed025's Note - i will have that john..

07 Jan 2018 09:55:46
Totally dazza the jock. Unsworth didn't send him home for nothing.

degsyp what are you talking about? Lukaku, Barkley and Mirallas wanted out so there is nothing the club could do.

You are aware Rooney has 10 premier league goals so far? How many had Lukaku this time last year? Sick of people saying we haven't replaced Lukaku. Its not as bad as people make out.

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07 Jan 2018 10:35:34
If we're honest it's been a bit of everything, first we couldn't score or defend, then we started scoring a few but couldn't defend and now we can defend but struggle to score.

I suppose the positive thing to take from that is the team is capable of doing both but, we need to find that balance. Hopefully with Tosun joining and the likes of Siggy finding form and fitness and, with Bolasie giving us some pace, this can be achieved.
Then Sam will be able to integrate the likes of Klassen, Davies, Lookman and Vlasic slowly, and into a team that is performing. Something Koeman should have done from the start.

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07 Jan 2018 11:09:54
BJU and NBTB I was not trying to be contradictory nor confrontational. I was tring to point out something that I have probaably gone on about over the last 3 years too much! In Moyes' last couple of seasons, we haad goals throughout the team. After he went, Martinez added Lukaku to the squad and that brought a guaranteed 20 plus per season. At that stage both fullbacks were getting 5 ish. Each of the midfielders were getting a few too. But players like Graveson, Arteta, Fellaini, Mirallas, Barkley, Cahill, Pienaar, Osman, Naismith etc all banged in with half a dozen goals each and maybe more. We then signed: Barry, Besic, McCarthy, Gueye, Deulofeu, Kone, Cleverly, McGeady, Lennon, Valencia, Bolasie and Niasse. Look at the first group of attacking mids/ forwards and see how many goals would come from it and then look at the 2nd bunch. The 2nd bunch each score less than 3 a season on average (Kone excepted) . Some just don't score. If you don't agree, fair enough. I don't want a big argument about it. its just my opinion that we were signing players with few goals between them. So when we lost Lukaku, Barkley and Mirallas (our top 3 potential scorers) it left us thin on goals. Yes Rooney has come in with a few (Thank God) and Niasse has a few. But I don't see many goals from the 2nd list. I do see future goals from DCL and Lookman and Davies. but these are kids who should be developed slowly. And they are not part of whaat I was saying anyway. It is the calibre of player aand I believe our football now reflects our poor signings rather than anything Allardyce is doing. I believe our signings this last 3 or 4 years has been terrible (Lukaku aside) . We have now lost quality players and replaced them with bang average players in my opinion. Otherwise we would be creating more chancesand scoring more goals. Right now we look like a team with hardly a shot to muster and using a bunch of kids to scrape results. Some people are putting it down to Allardyce. I put it down to previous bad signings.

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07 Jan 2018 12:33:17
Spot on Degs.

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07 Jan 2018 19:51:03
You bring this up every transfer window degsy.

We are now 5 years down the line from Moyes. Why don't you just bring up Kendalls team from the 80s?

Listen we replaced Fellani with Rom. He scored more goals and got more assists. Barkley didn't play under Moyes and martinez gave him his chance which he took so he didn't need to replace a number 10/ 8. As for Cahill again Rom/ Barkley covered his goals.

On the the other ones you mention here are their stats: osman averaged 4 goals in his last 5 seasons with us, Pienaar av 3, gravesen av 2, naismith av 4. Rom scored more last season than these put together in a season. We also had a real genuine striker that we haven't had for a very long time and had to play a different way.

Anyone who scores an average 2,3 or 4 goals is not hard to replace.

The players we have and who we've signed are very good players. We need to get a balance to the team and give them a focal point up front.

But a Moyes team as I've shown you before were never prolific scorers they were just hard to beat. Stop trying to kid they were!

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