Everton Banter Archive February 08 2015

08 Feb 2015 19:34:26
Hiya blues I thought we were poor yesterday but let's not forget nearly £200 million has been spent by rodgers to get his team to challenge for a euefa league place and also nearly 4 seasons I know a lot of blues want martinez out but if he was given serious money maybe he might and I mean might get some decent attack minded players in our defence now resembles a defence the midfield is taking shape maybe another 2 wide men and another quality striker then maybe we can judge him a bit more than some of the posters on here I am 58 years old not 20 and have seen great and garbage but I think judging a manager on 18 months is a bit premature let's not forget moyes was lauded by many but his second ssason nearly saw us down the following year champions league qualification so let's see what happens in the coming months coyb

hogwash the man is clueless would be better suited to bully smarts circus.
Look where he took Wigan & were heading in same direction if were not cateful.1 victory since 15th Dec is relegation form but heyho Stamford bridge next where we get nowt only a cup of t halftime.Even without Costa they always find a winning formula.
Let's see how lukaku gets on the forward who has the unwanted tag of being caught offside the most this season.

Good sensible post mossley I agree with it 100%

Could not agree moor

09 Feb 2015 00:14:50
I agree with you mossley, I have followed Everton for more than 30 years. While I have not been happy with much he has done this season, I am happy to see him given more time.

The recent results show that maybe just maybe Roberto has seen the need to get it right at the back (basics) and then build forward. McArthy back is a plus and also for me it should be Besic, McArthy and Barkley behind Lennon, Mirallas and Lukaku. Controversially I also think that Oviedo is a better defender and attacker than Baines with Baines being the better dead ball deliverer and the back four against Liverpool should be retained.

09 Feb 2015 09:56:16
I just want him to stop playing Lukaku on the wing. It worked once, that was it, it is time to let it go. The club payed 28 mil for a striker.

08 Feb 2015 17:35:21
It is often sid in the media that EFC give syouth a chance--but since wayne rooney who has come through the ranks in the last 10 years--only Ross Barleley-a very poor return on our youth set up.

08 Feb 2015 21:41:16
Rodwell, anichebe, vaughan, duffy, garbutt, browning. All
given 1st team starts in prem games

We've sold 20 million worth of youth players in that time easily. I would say that's a pretty good return! Rooney was a one off incredible talent and for our academy to have produced him, Barkley, roddwell anichebe in that it time is good I would say. Unrealistic to expect a world beater a year

08 Feb 2015 16:33:45
Ed--does anyone know why Baines was noy playing yesterday--no news of an injury.

Also hear Garbutt is going to Liverpool but Everton are keeping a lid on this disappointing news

{Ed001's Note - he was injured, failed a fitness test.}

08 Feb 2015 17:04:43
Is garbutt to liverpool true ed?

{Ed001's Note - I am still trying to find that one out, it is something that people at both clubs refuse to discuss. The only things I can be sure of is that he has had a number of offers from Liverpool to join their academy over the years, which he rejected. Also that he is looking for a change now, as he doesn't feel he will ever get a chance to break into the team with Baines and Oviedo ahead of him.}

09 Feb 2015 11:17:35
Martinez should of sold baines in his first summer

08 Feb 2015 13:25:24
Tony pulis has been on the phone to everton, he was looking for his book of tactical set-ups, he was just wondering if he had left it in the dressing room, wanted to know if anyone had seen it, a red faced spanish gentalman, said he had not seen it anywhere ammm!

08 Feb 2015 09:26:09
Would everyone of prefered us to attack moor but get beat an end up with no points instead of one point. Forget how we played a point is better than none yes I would of rather of won the game but I couldn't bear it if they beat us

Take the point and another off Chelsea :)

Ye that's ok saying that after the fact but there's no way I'm praising what I watched there yesterday, it was a disgrace, the most soul destroying football av seen for years and it's been the same since we conceded 6 to Chelsea back in August, RM has got to cheek to say that's how football should be played its a disgrace

By the way if you think we will get a point of Chelsea your dilushional

How do u no we won't get a point off chelski.
Do u av a crystal ball

08 Feb 2015 09:06:37
When are we going to address Lukaku's insistence of not moving from an offside position, as watching it, he just can't be arsed! Time and again our priceless £28 mil striker (lets not forget he's still 21 or whatever), stops our moves forward because he just can't be arsed to move. Now I don't mind him standing still upfront so long as he is onside and in a position to move somewhere or to offer himself as an out ball. If he's shown an dvd how many times it happens he's offside, surely he will be embarrassed by it. I have to say I thought he did ok first half, but the momment he starts feeling even a hint of tiredness he goes off on one and simply, watching his posture can't BE ARSED to stay onside or to look hungry for the ball, he is too nice for a man his size, Dunc is not doing his Job with him if you ask me, but at £28 mil I guess he shouldn't have to.

Yeah I agree to a certain extent Howie, but the poor lad busts his butt and cause he is the only striker he is running around so much of course he gets knackered. I think he needs help. That comes down to the manager!

Disagree, as I think Naismith does most of the work for him and it was apparent the talking Naisy gave him in second half after Luk finally did a great bit of chasing to force a corner.

Commentator yest said we have the highest offside calls against us in the league. a lot of them is down to Lukaku. He has to be able to look across a bloody line once in a while. But then it takes us so long to get a ball forward he prob thinks he can just stroll back before the ball comes up to him

Embarrassing some of the offsides, they are down to being not bothered and so school boyish. It really needs pointing out to him, as he is the one going on saying he wants to be the best in the world! well if he can't do the most basic thing as a Striker then what hope for him. It takes so long getting it forward because he can't be arsed getting back!

I still think he is knackered. His first touch at times is awful and his physical presence is timid but I think he is just so out of confidence and some of the diddle daddle football we play is not helping his cause. It's hard to see on TV but it looks like he runs into position and then they go sideways or backwards and he gets caught out cause he is knackered making those runs. We have bigger concerns than Lukaku IMO like the manager who insists on playing Barry and likes to start Mceady and continually takes off Besic. Will be interesting to see when Howard comes back! I know I would want Robles in there!

Listen say what you like about lukaku he needs to be given decent balls to chase rather than them punts from the Centre backs, look at the space there was between the the 3 holding mids and the front 3 yesterday it was joke they barely pass the halfway with or without the ball so there's never an outlet. Someone needs to tell RM you can score from the kick off spot where he likes to spend most of his time messing about before its forced back to Robles to smash to 3ft 5 Naismith who then heads it to no one because no ones there

I don't think it is because he can't be bothered because he does an awful lot of running around. I think he just mentally switches off when the ball goes back in our half. It's a common thing in children's football that should be easily coached out of him. As long as we have the right coach. Cue a word from Dunc.

Duncan Ferguson is not the right coach for the first team--too inexperienced -perhaps he is partly to blame for poor performances--not sure why he was ever given Legend status--poor injury recored-poor disciplibnary record -poor scoring recored and for someone of his stature--por n the air--a few goals againsy Utd and the reds--thats all he should be remembered for

R u kiddin dunc was a monster in the air. An your sayin martinez out now dunc shouldn't be there who do u want mate mourino as boss with van gaal umer 2

08 Feb 2015 19:30:24
Bluewirralboy, Ferguson was a better footballer than he was ever given credit for. If we had a better team around him during his time with us then I believe he would have scored a lot more goals for the club. One thing you could never level at him is that he was poor in the air! Silly statement that!

09 Feb 2015 11:47:27
If we want rom being a thug like duncan disordely then fine, what we going to do when roms in prison though?

08 Feb 2015 00:20:52
How boss is mo besic? Well done joel improving with each game and should now be our number one. A moyes type performance today only with midfielders that can fight for the ball. Fair play to lennon he looked sharp, naismith clearly wasnt fit and barkley came on and suprise suprise, lost the ball leading to a counter attack but let's be happy! We play chelsea away ne oh for christ sake. Also great to see macca back and I thought bryan did well.

Has someone hacked Swan's account? Well done mate - most positive post you've made for a while!

But again we didn't win because Osman didn't play and Mccarthy doesn't score. Isn't that right Degsy. Mccarthy and Besic nullified any threat from there midfield. Still feel that due to our conceding of goals earlier in the season we are scared to commit men forward. Can't honestly say I could see us scoring if we were still playing now. Last 2 home games we have kept clean sheets yet we have also failed to score which is a worry.

Slightly twisting my words bluegray, but essentially right. Lennon did well coming on and filled the right side allowing Coleman forward when he came inside. I do love McCarthy, but it is true he never scores.but on his own that would not matter.it is the fact that RM seems to love players who are good at tackling, good at passing and movement but never or only rarely score. eg Barry, McCarthy, McGeady, Besic, Kone and now Lennon. All of these added together average less than 7 goals a season between them. That's 6 non defence players. How many games will we win if we score hardly any goals? It is ok if your defenders chip in with a few, but our style of play means even that has stopped now. If you think of the players who were in the team 2 years ago and their goal contribution. Pienaar, Osman, Fellaini to name 3 off the top of my head, there was probably 20 goals a season from them. Mirralas usually chips in with 10 plus a season.and now it looks like he is off and Lennon his replacement. Lennon averages 1 goal per season. Enuff said.

Again though degsy if u look at the team 2 years ago distan was brilliant so I tend not to look in the past I leave that to the other shower. I have never rated Leon and for all this loyalty talk he has never been a prolific goalscoring midfielder so don't get why you insist on always stating that we miss his goals. I am not a fan of Martinez and his negative tactics and the sooner he is given his marching orders the better yet I would still only drop Barry out of the current midfield trio you mention and play Barkley wouldn't have Osman or pienaar anywhere near the starting 11 that is not the answer. See were you come from with the lack of goals degsy but cannot agree with this ossie love in you have going on its borderline obsessive.