Everton Banter Archive May 08 2016

 

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08 May 2016 23:19:16
Match of the Day showing Spurs CB's passing the ball out of defense. Exhibition of how to pass and split teams apart without making yourself vulnerable at the back. What a difference that would of made to our season.

Honestly I think Stones is well capable of doing anything the 2 mentioned do. Difference is the Spurs players know how to do it effectively without it being turned on them as a weakness.

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09 May 2016 00:59:23
Yet they lost 2-1at home. passings great from a defender, but no good if you don't defend.

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09 May 2016 06:42:10
Stones is along the lines of Bobby Moore and Franz Beckenbaur, I actually prefer Franz Beckenbaurs style, they used to call it Libero. I think that is what punters including myself mean when we say Stones would be ideal as part of a back 3 with himself just in front or a back 4 with himself just in front. From that position a ball playing defender such as Stones can bring the ball out, dictate play and defend. Our illustrious Manager though refuses to acknowledge that possibility, same as he refuses to acknowledge any other way but his own. Martinez obstinacy and unwarranted confidence in his methods should be his downfall but apparently not at our Club.

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09 May 2016 09:29:06
Dentielad your having a laugh with that comment, aren't you? You must not of seen Match of the Day then. Yes they lost 2 - 1. That's not the point.

Point is they are second from top. Have the least goals conceded in all the premiership this season and you point out passing is all well and good if you can't defend. It wasn't due to the passing they conceded 2 goals. They've been passing out of the CB all season and have only let in 30 goals.

We've been trying to pass it out of defense all season and how many have we let in? So the point is it can be done effectively. Difference is Spurs know and can do it. We haven't a clue how to do it effectively. Biggest reason for that is the manager imo. Spurs have top class man in charge.

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09 May 2016 11:17:46
My own view on this is that any team defends from the front line and all through the team these days. However, Lukaku's goals aside, he makes little contribution to the team. His closing down of defenders is non existant and if you look at the team as a whole, we defend very poorly from the front line. Players like Lennon do work their socks off. However, Deulofeu, Barkley and Lennon are very poor defensively. Barry is also struggling with pace and when you add all this up, it leaves our back 4 with an awful lot to deal with. All successful teams have players who can do both defensive and attacking duties. Ours seems to have players who are one or the other.

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09 May 2016 14:24:11
I agree Degsypulford. Your pretty much spot on imo. Some is down to players but also the manner in the way the team plays has all to do with it.

Taking those players you mention, for example. Do you think they would do a better job under a manager such as Simeone or even Pulis, Moyes, Alladaryce (sorry for spelling? I certainly do. As well as that the rest of the team would be better set up defensively. Going back to my point Spurs have a top manager. We don't.

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09 May 2016 19:31:11
Yes NBTB I do think another manager would make a difference. The insistence of retaining the ball and passing across the back line repeatedly allows our opposition to reorganise time and time again. Once in a while we have played on the break with pace and when we have, we have looked good. I cannot believe that Mirallas has not been given a regular game. He is a top goal scorer and makes many assists yet has been behind Lennon and Del boy. One was Spurs 3rd choice and the other still a kid who is showing promise but is as consistent as M&S share price. Mirallas has averaged about 8 goals a season in his career. He also defends better than Del Boy. The problem really started with signing Kone, Alcaraz, McCarthy and Barry. I don't know if people have realised, Walter Smith and David Moyes both worked to a break even point. In other words, they sold players for as much money as they spent so broke even. Roberto M is already about 50 million down and I don't believe our squad is 50 million better than the one he inherited from Moyes. If he sells Lukaku and Stones (remember a Moyes 1.5 million bargain) he will proobably break even. However, our squad at that stage will be painfully thin. I watched Niasse with interest the other day and he seemed tomake schoolboy errors being ahead of the ball repeatedly. I really fear for us for next season andd have been getting abuse for pointing this over the last couple of seasons. I believe RM is a very poor manaager. but a brilliant PR man.

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09 May 2016 19:31:11
Yes NBTB I do think another manager would make a difference. The insistence of retaining the ball and passing across the back line repeatedly allows our opposition to reorganise time and time again. Once in a while we have played on the break with pace and when we have, we have looked good. I cannot believe that Mirallas has not been given a regular game. He is a top goal scorer and makes many assists yet has been behind Lennon and Del boy. One was Spurs 3rd choice and the other still a kid who is showing promise but is as consistent as M&S share price. Mirallas has averaged about 8 goals a season in his career. He also defends better than Del Boy. The problem really started with signing Kone, Alcaraz, McCarthy and Barry. I don't know if people have realised, Walter Smith and David Moyes both worked to a break even point. In other words, they sold players for as much money as they spent so broke even. Roberto M is already about 50 million down and I don't believe our squad is 50 million better than the one he inherited from Moyes. If he sells Lukaku and Stones (remember a Moyes 1.5 million bargain) he will proobably break even. However, our squad at that stage will be painfully thin. I watched Niasse with interest the other day and he seemed tomake schoolboy errors being ahead of the ball repeatedly. I really fear for us for next season andd have been getting abuse for pointing this over the last couple of seasons. I believe RM is a very poor manaager. but a brilliant PR man.

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09 May 2016 19:35:17
I forgot to say, Spurs are probably where we would have been had Moyes stayed in my view. We had made great strides moving away from a similar position as to where we are now. ie hovering just above the relegation slots. Then Moyes arrived and we climbed the table and stayed there in the top 6 or 7 for a few seasons with cup semis and finals. I can see the cup runs but no way the league position under the current manager.

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09 May 2016 21:45:44
Agree with 95% of your comments Degsypulford. Especially Mirallas. Its an absolute tragedy he got damn all playing time all season. Put on with minutes to go which is a regular with Martinez no matter how the game is going.

Although I don't think that has anything to do with Lennon and Del boy playing. They both played on the right whereas Mirallas can play there he is more a left sided player. Kone and Cleverly mainly got the nodd ahead of Mirallas which is baffling.

McCarthy and Barry have been good signings imo no matter what way you look at it. McCarthy has increased in value and Barry has done his bit imo. Totally agree about Smith and Moyes. I don't think you seen my comments on Moyes last year. I defended him and praised him probably more than you have and have even been accused of being his love child! So needless to say I agree with everything you say there.

I on the other hand have no fear for next season as long as we get a decent manager. For me more pins on our manager than the players. Go back to my point, we would do better under a better manager so I wouldn't fear anything with a proper manager.

I'd feel optimistic and be very excited about our future. The only concern in almost every aspect of Everton F. C. for me is the manager. Sort that and I'm happy out. I'd be like a child again with the future we have imho.

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08 May 2016 22:18:16
Mediocrity is a disease. article on newsnow. well worth a read and 100% accurate. It's true when as it says, as England's 4th most successful club, we are to accept mediocrity.

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08 May 2016 23:30:35
Just read that dentielad. Spot on to the point, a cracking article.

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09 May 2016 02:22:21
Also a great piece on Grandoldteam. a very honest and true picture of our club.

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09 May 2016 06:59:28
I mentioned that article yesterday and yes it was spot on, spot on that is, to everyone except our board. More to the point, the latest comments, interviews from Mr Martinez just do not indicate he is going anywhere soon. One of us older Evertonians made the point the other day that in each of Martinez 3 seasons including the first, Martinez Teams have faded off badly. That is part of the complacency the Everton board appear to accept and puts them at odds with the supporters. While not there yet, we are careening head long into a Aston Villa situation, while the 'Everton Way' carry on wiping the excess off their thumbs.

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08 May 2016 21:28:46
Arghh! I keep reading posts about Moshiri proving me has balls, let the guy get his feet under the table. It's obvious he doesn't want the celebrity coverage like Abramovich and if he is taking advice off Bill I may not agree but Bill loves this club and might want to show loyalty to a manager he hand picked. I do hope Roberto goes but hopefully we can let him leave with some dignity, that's the Everton way! Some people think right now it's a given that we are bigger than Southampton, let's be honest Southampton and Stoke are where we are at right now. History means nothing! That is the way of football. So let's just support our team and expect a season of re-building anything else will be a bonus.

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08 May 2016 21:19:39
It's believed that the club is carrying out a strategic review of all on and off the field activities. This is especially so as FM is now the largest (and soon, we are led to believe, the majority) shareholder.
The strategic review is expected, among many aspects of the club, to address scouting/ recruitment and the academy/ player-development. On that basis, who'd be overly surprised if the club actually appointed a Director of Football to oversee those activities?
There would be a Head Coach, supported by assistant coaches, etc., to manage the first-team on a day-to-day basis.
Other coaches, etc., would work in the academy, U-18 and U-21 areas.
The first-team Head Coach would have input to any transfers (and on promoting players into the first-team squad) , but not be the sole decision maker - and would concentrate on the first-team and meeting the performance targets set for him.
RM might have recruited some very gifted players, but his job is to get good performances out of them (and thereby get the team winning) .
RM might have developed/ improved some players, but (again! ) his job is to get them winning for Everton - not selling them on (albeit for big money) to the more successful clubs. (I'm assuming that his official target isn't to make Everton a club that just to stays in the PL - for the broadcast revenue - and he's not expected to earn income from transfers by making us a feeder club! )
The old days when a single man - the manager - ran all of a club's football (and often non-football! ) activities are long gone. That's especially so with shareholders investing huge amounts of money AND with vast commercial/ broadcast/ prize income streams at stake AND with massive infrastructure projects (stadium, training facilities, etc. ) requiring funding.
Can anyone make a case for NOT going down the modern Director of Football and Head Coach organisational route at Everton?

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{Ed025's Note - well i cant sid, sounds the way forward to me and i know that the process has already started to address some of these issues..good post mate..

08 May 2016 21:13:20
. "the people's club". my arse. & the wall of silence from the board continues over the future of the clueless 1.absolutely disgraceful. any other club would of done something far earlier. something tells me next sat against Norwich is going to get very unpleasant!

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{Ed025's Note - im dreading it soli..

09 May 2016 04:36:22
What kind of 'peoples club' doesn't give a sh*t about what their fans think? Starting to actually feel sorry for Robertinez, he's being hung out to dry by the disgraceful board who haven't got the decency to give us at least a hint of what's going on.

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08 May 2016 21:10:43
I urge Bill etc to read Elliot Bretlands piece and I defy them to deny it.

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08 May 2016 21:25:18
Where is that piece?
Do you really expect BK - or anyone at the club - to read (let alone respond to! ) any comments especially considering the vitriolic abuse they've received from so many angles?

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{Ed025's Note - its on NSNO sid..

08 May 2016 22:09:14
And it is not vitriolic Sid.

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08 May 2016 23:03:35
I never said that item was vitriolic - I hadn't read it which is why I asked where it was - but I remarked that plenty of comments from other angles have been.

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08 May 2016 20:46:39
Can anyone say when and how is the TVs money paid to clubs. Is it full amount, lump sum at start of transfer window, or season or trickle fed over the season?

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{Ed025's Note - im not sure mate but will find out..

08 May 2016 22:49:39
I think Everton will get £80.6m, although not sure if a lump sum or dripped.

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08 May 2016 20:40:21
It's been written that the club is looking - in consultation with external experts - at all aspects (on and off the field) of the club. That would surely include scouting/ recruitment and academy/ development. Who'd be surprised if that led to a Director of Football being appointed to oversee those activities while a Head Coach is appointed just for first-team management. The Head Coach would surely have input to any football-related decision making, but would concentrate day-to-day on purely first-them matters.
THe directors must direct the club and - with expert device - set the strategy. The management (on me off the field) must execute the strategy and be measured by their performance against agreed targets.

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{Ed025's Note - i believe that process has already started sid, except the director of football bit which does seem the way forward to me mate..

08 May 2016 20:28:18
Let's not forget that when or if RM goes we will still be left with the overhyped, overpaid, and couldn't give a toss players that we have now. they are a disgrace and if they do a lap of honour next week then shame on them they have tarnished the badge and everything this club stands for so don't anyone on here make excuses for them they remind me of rats.

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{Ed025's Note - thats a terrible thing to say about...rats alan.. :)

08 May 2016 21:07:13
Did anyone see what happened at Man City today? Most of the crowd walked out before the lap of honour, shoud we do the same next week it is all Martinez deserves.

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08 May 2016 18:18:38
Currently living in the Netherlands (Despite by username) , and De Boer's Ajax has just lost the Eredivise Title on the last day of the season to PSV, after losing to Graafschap. Had they won the game, they would have won the title on Goal Difference.

Only mentioning this because it seems that we are linked to him. However, from what I've seen this season, is that even though he's a decent coach, he is quite stubborn with his philosophy (sound familiar) , although he does hate losing, and goes absolutely nuts. So that's good I guess.

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08 May 2016 19:20:16
I like the idea about going nuts when loosing. Bobby brown shoes doesn't seem to care as long as we maintain a pass completion average above 600 every game sadly.

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08 May 2016 20:33:15
And our play is phenomenal lol.

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08 May 2016 17:58:32
Just an observation about a possible new manager if RB is sacked I've seen it said on here that there's no way Pellegrini would consider us a big enough club but he has stated he wants to stay in the premiership and as there's only really Bobby the fella from Swansea and Quique Sanchez Flores of Watford who are in danger of losing their Jobs it seems that if Pellegrini does want to stay in the premiership we would be arguably his best option given the new spending power we will have obviously things can change i. e swansea potential takeover but I do share Ed25's belief that Manuel Pellegrini could be our next manager if Moshiri has the balls to get rid of RM. Thoughts?

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08 May 2016 18:17:21
Pellergrini has all the riches in the world at Man City but can't deliver the title this year and looks out of the top four as well.
Good man but looks from the outside as to soft, plenty of expensive flops.
Koeman or FDB, I also believe Rafa would do well but he's a red at heart.

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08 May 2016 21:06:45
Pellegrini wasted a lot of money on poor players for city, he isn't the man for us.

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08 May 2016 21:08:26
City supporters today showed how unhappy they have been with Pellegrini.

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08 May 2016 17:51:32
If as expected we lose at Sunderland then Bobby will cry in post match interview if last night is anything to go by, he looks a broken man . It hasn't work so let's say goodbye before Sunday otherwise I suggest no lap of honour except to say thanks and farewell to Osman, Howard, Pienaar, Hibbert and Gibson and possibly a few more? but RM must be gone before Sunday for everybody to keep dignity and respect.

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08 May 2016 16:36:29
martinez did in his press conference yeserday what he has never once done all season and that was to slate his players for the whole interview. that to me sounds like a manager who knows he is a gonner and that he can now say what he likes because preety soon he won't have to face them.

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08 May 2016 17:22:54
That's what I thought Paul.
It seemed to me he was calling them a bunch of A$$ holes because he knows he's on his way.
I hope so, this can't go on.

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08 May 2016 16:19:07
ajax have lost the title today to psv now reports saying it was his last game for ajax just reports not confirmed. this could be are chance.

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08 May 2016 12:34:25
I've said for a while that koeman would be my 1st choice. Whether he's a realistic target or not.

What would everyone think about guidolin tho? I know we haven't been linked to him everyone else we have though lol. Looks like he's going to leave Swansea end of season.

He's done an OK job at Swansea and is highly regarded in Italy. He's a proven manager at developing young players and building a squad with very little money. He also a decent tactician.

Not the big name some are hoping for but might be worth a punt to stabilise us. What the rest of you think and eds.

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08 May 2016 14:09:05
are you for real.

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08 May 2016 15:19:05
Koeman was my first choice but it seems he's going on to bigger things I would be made up if we did bring in de boer and his coaching staff. I don't want to see us dither about making an appointment sack Rm straight after the Norwich game and get the new man in as quickly as possible so he can decide what he wants to do with this squad he needs to no who is going and who is staying so he can make moves on his own targets . we do not want to be running round on the last day of the transfer window picking up scraps the board need to be swift as they need to get the fans back on side .

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08 May 2016 15:50:19
He has done a very good job at Swansea would be ok, although not a big name might be a good choice and has had a taste of the Prem.

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08 May 2016 15:57:08
Royal Paul I will support the manager next season who ever that will be. But what I meant to say is if the right manager is not available for another season then maybe he'd be worth a punt in the meantime. Plus it's more realistic than some of the names were linked 2.

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08 May 2016 16:27:18
no chance. for one season i would rather have joe royal with big dunc or unsy. would you have mentioned him if they had int beatten west ham yesterday. the blokes got no pedigree at all and we av already got one of them.

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08 May 2016 18:12:56
Yeah I probably would still say that. Swansea were in a worse state than what we're in now when he took over. Given a pre season I think he'd be ok until a better option was available. I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer a better manager next season just that I think he'd do ok. Plus he would have a point to prove after the way he's been treated at Swansea if they let him go.

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08 May 2016 18:14:33
Not saying I'd want him but I will say this he is doing one heck of a job at Swansea. I'm impressed with how he's done since he's been there.

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08 May 2016 19:08:29
Mike Walker did a great job at Norwich all those years ago. We all know how that ended!

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08 May 2016 20:49:21
That was one in a million spudv. Never to be repeated.

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08 May 2016 12:27:00
got to say I fear for my fellow Evertonians at the game Wednesday, Big Sam is going to mug off little lost Bobby!

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08 May 2016 11:48:34
When looking at this team we should be in top 5 go back to the side just after 95 cup final we missed out on Europe by a point or 2 that side had fight and a bit of quality but it had a manager that knew you might need plan b, c, d to z.

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08 May 2016 11:57:20
Al don't believe they hype the press shower our players with, we are not as good as some people think.

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08 May 2016 14:03:18
Hand on heart can you honestly say they are the best team in years? I can't. Potentially good players but they don't win you games excellent players do and as far as I can see nobody is excellent at the min.

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08 May 2016 16:06:00
As you say it is all about potential, most players peak 27/ 28 most of our squad are either under that or over it by a few years which is why we are seeing the current results.

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08 May 2016 18:17:42
No, main reason is because we only have plan A. This day and age that is pathetic.

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08 May 2016 19:13:49
The squad is definitely potentially the best we have had for a long time, they just need to be better balanced within a formation and they need to be coached a lot better than they are currently. As an example, Stones has bags of potential to be a great defender but he is allowed to continue to make similar mistakes in games. The right coach would knock these mistakes out of him, not encourage him to keep making them.

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{Ed025's Note - potentially yes spud, but this squad have no balls mate, there is a lack of desire and leadership throughout the side, yes bobby has played his part in that of which there is no doubt, but once them players cross the white wash its up to them and they have been wanting in every department, do i blame the manager?.. of course i do, but the over payed and over hyped prima-donnas that wear that coveted shirt are just as culpable for me..

08 May 2016 20:22:17
I agree ed, they certainly lack the fight we expect of our teams but is that not a reflection of the manager and his overly nice personality? I know we can't blame him for everything, sadly, but for me he has got them playing a robotic brand of football. I can understand why some may want to leave, it must be just as bad to play in as it is to watch. It will be interesting to see what a fresh approach, with a new manager, could do with this squad. At least the ones that stay. We need someone to give them back their balls ed :)

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{Ed025's Note - i speak as one who would have given my eye teeth to wear that royal blue shirt spud, i was not good enough but i know that if given the chance i would have bust a gut for the privilege mate..

08 May 2016 20:52:46
Can see both sides here and totally agree with both. However, I'd have to agree with spudv more. New manager, different team. We don't have to look to far to see that. Other half look totally different when a decent manager came in.

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08 May 2016 11:36:30
How many feel like me? I saw the game yesterday and I was ashamed. Normally a loss is a loss and I get on with it. So as ever, its a new day, the sun is climbing and the sky is blue. Much to enjoy. Yet, I feel the need for some positivity and frankly none is to be had. Not a morsel. So here's my rant. RM OUT. Short and sweet. He's missed the milestones for EFC excellence and thus now deserves to be quietly applauded for past deeds as he enjoys his life elsewhere. I would be happy to hold the door open for him, shake by the hand and bid him well. Then we rebuild with belief and certainty with a certain Dutchman instilling fire, belief, honesty, graft and yes, skill. COME ON YA BLUES!

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08 May 2016 11:06:10
lots and i mean lots of reports claiminng that deboer would love to join everton. he threw his hat into the ring when swansea and them lot were looking for a manager. so come on bill there is no excuse for missing the boat on this one.

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08 May 2016 13:24:59
Bill has a great track record, of snaching defeat from the jaws of victory. Albert dock, the investers in city, etc. In the final analisis, Martinez is a symptom not the problem, the problem is "mr everton" BILL KENWRIGHT, his arrogance and refusal to listern has brought OUR CLUB, to it's kness.

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08 May 2016 16:12:30
This is the point though isn't it, it is not our club we are merely supporters it is however the shareholders club, be that Kenwright or Morishi.
Its like being a fan of let's say Bob Dylan, do you think he was bothered when he went from acoustic to electric all those years ago and got called all the names under the sun.
No he just carried on and did what he believed was right, that is exactly the situation now.

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08 May 2016 10:57:13
The board have hung Roberto out to dry not one word from them. He has to go but i never seen a man vulnerable and confused as i do when look at bobby he is so alone and i feel so sorry for him. Message to the board end this now or do one yourselves a bunch of cowards they are.

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08 May 2016 09:31:05
Eds, and fellow blues, I've read a lot of posts over the last few days, and subsequently I've been battling with whether to go the Norwich game or not. don't want to miss it because I'm an Everton supporter (the clue being the title) , but at the same time I'm so angry with how things have gone, and I'd b nothing more than a hypocrite if I went the game and cheered and then clapped the team afterwards. quite frankly can't bring myself to do it. especially when I consider that this is the most negative I've ever felt as a blue. not even in Walter smith, Mike walker days did I feel so negative. at least the teams then showed the whites of their teeth and got stuck in. Anyhow, me and my daughter have decided we won't be going next Sunday.

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{Ed025's Note - i think thats a good decision myself jcl, the way the team have performed this season they certainly dont deserve any plaudits but by the same token i dont want the clubs name dragged through the mud mate..

08 May 2016 11:11:55
No me neither ed. I've never booed and I'm not starting now. however, I can't applaud them either. not this season. so disappointed with the season. the performances, from the players and the mgmt team. i have already purchased next years season ticket, and will be there regardless. just had enough for this season.

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{Ed025's Note - and i dont blame you mate..

08 May 2016 09:24:42
Andrea Bocelli could have been singing to Martinez personally yesterday, Con Te Partiro' Roberto, enough is enough.

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08 May 2016 09:23:15
Can't wait to see fans reaction to the traditional lap of honour next week.
Surely they wouldn't dare?
Suggest they head down the tunnel sharpish just after Bungling Bobby climbs into his taxi.

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08 May 2016 09:36:10
'Taxi' 'Bobby' Magic words Mushy mate.

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08 May 2016 08:47:38
Morning ed025,do u think we will have a new manager next season? I know u want pellegrini but who do u think will get the job, thanks.

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{Ed025's Note - i hope we do dan and for me pellegrini is still the front runner mate..

08 May 2016 11:40:52
I would like Pellegrini too, but would hope they put someone with Everton in their blood alongside him so they can learn and eventually take over as he is getting on now.

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08 May 2016 08:40:00
Hi Ed, Going by yesterdays game we looked a shambles! I'm 99% sure Martinez will be gone along with Lukaku, Maybe stones but that's all the main players I think will depart.

How many players do you think we need and who and why would be your main targets.

Mine, RB, CD X 2, CM, ( Playmaker ) And ST X 2.

Departing, Lukaku, Osman, Kone, Mcgeady, Hibbert, Howard, Pienaar, Gibson,
These are the palyers i'm 100% sure that will depart, That free's up 8 players from the wage bill.

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{Ed025's Note - going by yesterdays game we need an entire new squad DN, i can live with lack of ability but when players just cant be arsed it really riles me, lads and lasses who gave their time and money to travel to leicester were ripped off and i hate that, yesterday was a very black day for EFC and i have to say i was ashamed of the team, we need change from top to bottom now..

08 May 2016 09:05:06
Spot on Ed025.

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08 May 2016 09:12:36
In all fairness ed, do you not think they played like that to try get Bobby sacked?

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{Ed025's Note - no geoff, the theory that the players have had clandestine meetings to not perform is ludicrous, they are under-motivated though and fed up but i dont give a toss how they feel, when they pull on that shirt i expect 100% commitment and playing to get the manager sacked is just an excuse for me mate..

08 May 2016 09:23:31
I have said the same thing on a post earlier today. Spot on Ed 025.I fear next season. Not only is Bobbie a bad manager he is dangerous to all football clubs. Ha ha ha.

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08 May 2016 10:03:52
Of course they should give 100 percent, Leicester were up for it yesterday when it should have been the other way round.

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08 May 2016 11:12:01
two opposites on the scale Leicester full of confidence and rightly celebrating, Everton a bunch of lost sheep there for the slaughter, no heart no spirit and no leadership just going through the motions.
and as expected his post match interview gave nothing but lame excuses and any explanation as to how he could or would change things.
We have been robbed of a few players through injury and suspension, but what is also clearly evident is that this squad does not have enough strength in depth, he has had more than enough time to resolve this as well.

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08 May 2016 12:17:03
Makes me sick. They are on a massive wage. And if any of us performed like that in work we wouldn't last long. Irregardless how low morale is that performance was pathetic. It's about time the players took a look at themselves. 1 or 2 might be jaded as they played a lot of games but that's down 2 martinez not giving them a break now and then.
I'm still looking forward 2 next season but I think as a club we will be starting from scratch. New managaer/ players and probably board members.

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08 May 2016 08:52:55
Martin O'Neill now odds on - 5/ 6 with paddy power- to replace RM.

I'm not convinced, but he's a pretty good manager all said and done. At least with maybe Roy Keane as his number 2 the team would have a bit of balls!

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08 May 2016 06:36:03
Morning Ed how much money do we get if we finish in 16 place mate?

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{Ed002's Note - I don't want to get in to the money but it will be significant - £75M or so.}

07 May 2016 22:56:34
Liverpool fan, I come in peace, ed0025 you and your fellow blue noses should wake up in the morning to the news that Martinez has been sacked, its obvious that no one is playing for him and his time is up, with the squad you have you should be right up there with west ham at least, in a season when all the big teams have been inconsistent you had a great chance to qualify for Europe. Take it from one who knows when your manager's excuses get more bizzare by the game you know the manager has ran out ideas, next will come the begging for more time when he has had enough, but the main point for me if I was your new owner would be, could I trust this man to spend my money wisely and we all know the answer to that, personally I would have fired him straight after the derby, Leighton baines got it spot on with his summary, I told ed 0025 that a new owner should come with a new manager and I stand by that, you deserve better than what you are getting, your latest display was a disgrace to the shirt and the fans.

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{Ed025's Note - the similarity between martinez and rodgers is there for all to see kenny, the weird press conferences, the lack of motivation and the lack of a plan B, but its the stubbornness that gets me mate and unless the board act soon it could get really ugly..

08 May 2016 07:46:55
Nice post Kenny lad, and spot on too!

My missus is not the best at judging footy as she is indifferent most of the time but even she makes comments like ''they don't respect him and you can tell by the way they look at him when he speaks to them''

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08 May 2016 04:01:14
Has anyone considered the psycological damage done to the players. Even if we get a new manager, how long will it take to turn things around? I am looking at our best players and I now think it is time for them to go ( Barkely and Stones are simply not good enough ) We will have to spend a serious amount of money in the Summer. we need at least 10 new players. even under agent Johnson . we were crap but there was effort. How can a team so good play so bad? I fear serious psycological damage.

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08 May 2016 06:54:07
I've got absolutely zero sympathy for our players either to be honest, especially after the shift they put in yesterday. When they step onto the field they should give 100% for the club regardless of how they feel about the manager or any other member of the club for that matter. The majority of the fans on here are directing all the anger towards Martinez but the majority of the squad need a long hard look at themselves and are equally to blame as Martinez in my opinion. Each and every member of yesterday's squad should donate the wage/ fee they received to charity as they didn't earn a cent of that money.

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08 May 2016 07:26:35
I get what you're saying Bkblue but I just think the players are refusing to play for the manager. Once he's replaced I think they will start to turn it on again. It won't take long for them to get their mojo back.

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08 May 2016 07:03:05
These players are in 'slipshod' mode totally lacking in desire and drive!

I cannot accept that every one of them have given up, however the abyss beckons and next season under the same management the relegation odds will be very short imo.

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08 May 2016 08:32:45
Players like Stones and Barkley are not bad players and have the potential to be world class. They just aren't being coached or managed correctly. Too much expectation on young shoulders can be extremely damaging to a players confidence. A good manager knows when to take a player out of the firing line etc. and how to develop, especially mentally, young player to fulfill their obvious potential.

I honestly don't think Bill is stupid enough to believe that Martinez deserves another season and I doubt he's that blind. Hopefully there's something that we don't know about preventing any action regarding changing the manager and fingers crossed its worth the wait! One thing is for sure - there's huge problems at Everton.

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08 May 2016 09:29:14
It's possible that the players are playing badly in protest. but if they are they are a disgrace to the fans and the club. I think they are simply gutless.

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{Ed025's Note - your right BKK..

08 May 2016 01:54:57
All 3 of Bobby's seasons have finished the final third at a crawl. They're knackered and discouraged.

Had this third year shown an improvement in points and form, a 4th year could be considered, but the course is downward, and Bobby does have a track record with Wigan.

It's time.

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08 May 2016 07:11:40
It was time at the end of last season. At least after this season there can be no doubt that he is way over his head and sinking fast.

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08 May 2016 00:28:54
I think everyone should stay away from the last home game I no its not the everton way but something needs to be done and maybe that's the only way to push things along.

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{Ed033's Note - The board must have already made up their mind about martinez staying or going, so by now the board should have declared to the fans whether he is staying or leaving.

After the FA cup loss, telling the fans about martinez made no difference as the Premier league finishing position was going to be around 11th to 13th place, regardless.

08 May 2016 05:46:52
I agree with Ed 033.I fear he is staying.

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