Everton Banter Archive February 09 2015

 

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09 Feb 2015 21:25:46
Can we please stop this bitterness and negativity. I have followed this club from afar in Australia for over 3 decades. I was born blue, even though my father is red I am still blue, he couldn't get it out of me. I only started looking at these forums about 12 months ago and I regret it. All the negativity just beats you down. True, I could just not look at it anymore, but unfortunately it is the only way that I feel that I can connect with other Evertonians.

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Agreed (and guilty as charged). Time to pull together a direct our fury at the Gunners.

I pledge positivity henceforth.

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It would be great if the red rubbish had no reason to call us bitter blues anymore

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{Ed001's Note - stop being so bitter as to use the sh*** word then! That is inherently bitter and foul. No one on the Liverpool site is allowed to call Everton the blueshhhh, yet you are all so pathetic that not one of you can show any respect to Liverpool. Until the moment you grow up and start showing others respect, you will be treated with complete disrespect yourselves.}

Woh there I know plenty and I mean plenty of reds that call us blue shhhhh and worse. And we do the same. That's not bitter it's banter take that away from football and what's the point!

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{Ed001's Note - how is it banter? It is being nasty, that is not banter. The point is you can have banter without being offensive and bitter.}

10 Feb 2015 10:37:52
Ed01, with respect, I think you have gone a bit over the top in that reply. After all, this is a banter site for banter! You can't honestly tell us any LFC fans have not called any EFC fans bitter or blueshhhh (as you put it) can you? They slate us, they slate Man U and they slate Chelsea fans just as much as they receive stick. To call us all pathetic is also a slight on yourself as well as your clubs fans. Rightly or wrongly, this is what fans at every club do, especially with derby teams. Football, in general, is bitter and foul these days. I blame Murdoch and Sky tv.
I know reds who respect Everton, I know blues who respect Liverpool. I also know people on both sides that have total disdain for the other. BOTH sides. I just don't see where this attack has come from, please can you explain? I mean, if bluemanno had been ripping LFC and it's staff/fans to pieces for no apparent reason then you would have a point. The two terms he posted are commonly used by both sets of supporters on a daily basis. I really wouldn't get too upset over it! But, contrary to what LFC fans think of us blues, we are civil people. Most would accept your apology for branding them 'pathetic', 'disrespectful' and that they need to grow up. Remember, however, that people who feel an injustice when childish name calling has arisen, probably wouldn't win an argument by resorting to juvenile retorts themselves :) Have a nice day

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{Ed001's Note - sorry but if you have to sit and read through the vile posts being called a shhhh every time you are trying to help out, you would soon get annoyed. I don't allow the Liverpool fans to refer to Everton by those terms, yet you to a man on here, think it is ok to refer to Liverpool with a term that was strongly objected to by Everton fans when it did slip through. If you think it is ok, then you are not the kind of person I want on these sites and you can feel welcome to go elsewhere. You are not sat at home talking to your friends and family, you are in a public place and should act like it. If you were sat in the middle of 100 strangers and you started referring to some of them as shhhhh do you think that would be ok? No, so why do you think it is ok to do so here? If you don't like it go to one of those sites that think it is ok to post abuse, and call it banter. Now do not say you are speaking with respect only to follow it with the most disrespectful, patronising post following it. Try showing respect and you will receive it, but right now you have earnt nothing but disdain. Oh and I had to edit out some of the offensive words in the original post, so perhaps wind your neck in a bit.}

Ed001: I have never referred to them as the "RS" - I've always found that term to be offensive, unnecessary and childish. However, I do refer to them as the "darkside" because they're the other "side" of the park and because I irrationally attribute their success to them practising the dark arts (!) and because (in a pathetic attempt at false rationalisation) I see so many people drawn to them rather than to the blue half of Merseyside. I don't think I'm "bitter" - although I might well be twisted (!) - but I do wish that Everton had done "better" in recent years. Ho hum.
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{Ed001's Note - and darkside would be what I would call banter, it shows no disrespect but a sense of humour. It could never be termed offensive. Though I would have to wonder, isn't the Everton blue a darker colour than Liverpool's red? Would that not make you the dark side? I will have to have a word with Bill about that, maybe he could run a marketing campaign based on that?}

Ed001 are u havin a laugh we even get liverpool fans comin on our site slaggin us of so I think your wrong in sayin they show us respect because theye dont.

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{Ed001's Note - I never said they did, I said you can't complain about a lack of respect when you are being offensive to them! We have to edit more Everton posts than any of the other posts to remove offensive words aimed at other teams. Almost every single time it is an offensive reference to Liverpool. When all you give out is nastiness, you will only get it back at you. It is going the way of Scottish football, when the Merseyside derby used to be the best in the world, it is now just another derby. It used to be special, now it is just nasty. It needs to change or both sides will suffer because they lose that usp from their club. Everton are trying to market themselves as a nice family club, to bring in future generations. A friendly derby, contested on the field, not in the stands, with families standing together in red and blue is a big part of that image. It won't happen while there is such bitterness between the fans. Yes fans go between the sites slagging each other off, but it is hardly as bad as you are making out. There is also Everton fans regularly visiting the Liverpool site too. So long as they don't get offensive, I don't see the problem?}

Mmmmm personally I blame the glory hunters from 'who knows where and who really cares anyway'

Some of my cousins are ' from the darker side' my next door neighbours when I was a kid were Reds I even went to Anfield with them and they came to Goodison with me cherry picking our matches of course.

The banter was an occasional natural exchange of words without venom full stop!

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{Ed001's Note - most of those you are talking about don't care about Everton, sadly. I think that is half the problem. The nastiness is, to a large part, stemming from frustration from both sets of fans, with the way the derby has been lowered in importance in recent years. Trying to make it seem more important by using more and more offensive terms to describe each other will not make it so. The only way to rebuild it as a special match is to bring back the family atmosphere, as it was unique in world football. No one else at the top level had a local derby where the fans sat together happily and enjoyed the game together (well I say enjoyed....). Though as much of the problem is down to ticket prices, in the old days people would go to whichever side happened to be at home that week with their mates. Me dad, for instance, would go with a group of mates to the games, some were reds, some were blues, and they would just go each week to whoever was at home. Can anyone afford to do that any more?}

Come on lads be more sensitive remember kopites. Wait am I allowed to say that. are a sensitive bunch I mean its always everybody else's fault. its a banter site and you should know what u let yourself in for when u agreed to help out on our site. Respect is earned not just given because you have a history. am not bitter I just dislike LFC and all it stands for.

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Sorry ed 001 but your talking absolute rubbish some of my closest friends and family are red shhhhhh and we both give each other stick over football using all kinds of phrases that would offend u. Does that mean I don't respect these people or they don't respect me. No it means were having banter/fun/ a laugh. Just because you don't let Liverpool supporters post thing doesn't mean that your opinion is right. U should try an relax a bit mate

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09 Feb 2015 21:10:58
Regarding Lukaku, as most people know except Everton management, he is not and never will be a 25 m striker. For a while now he doesn't appear to be learning, seems to lack interest at times etc. I am beginning to wonder whether the Miralles situation in which he more or less states he will be leaving, has had an influence on him and therefore his performances. After all they are fellow countrymen and will obviously have a chat between themselves. I also don't see Ferguson as the ideal candidate for him to learn from.
If Lukaku is getting tired during games why isn't Martinez taking him off and replace with Kone for final 30mins and vice versa play Kone and replace with Lukaku

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10 Feb 2015 09:28:35
Yeah, if you aren't in your prime by 21 you're crap! Oh wait that makes no sense, he's boss

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Keenone that's utter rubbish mate he will be one of the best strikers around don't ask me when but he will

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09 Feb 2015 17:54:13
RM is saying Howard will replace Robles as soon as he is fit, IMHO I think the defence is playing with far more confidence, 3 clean sheets in the last 3 games, Howard 3 clean sheets in 18 games, is this a coincidence, or are the back 4 more comfortable with Robles behind them, at least he is'nt rooted to his goal line. I would like to see him keep his place in the team.

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Agree with you kirbo

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I was a harsh critic of Joel before this latest stint in goal, he had hands like crisp packets. However he's played well the last few games and should keep his place, what kind of message does it send out, play well but as soon as my favourites are back I'll shove you back on the bench, the team should not be default, Howard needs to win his place back in the team.

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10 Feb 2015 09:37:22
If howard comes straight back in to the team after being utter DREADFUL all season then that's joels' confidence gone, no wonder he looked shaky, he can't be a regular no matter what he does! let's hope howard has a set back in training or an argument with martinez or sends nudes to eto'. Joel shoud be our first choice from now on and if howard doesn't like it, go

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{Ed025's Note - lets not hope a player of ours gets an injury swan...thats poor mate, but i agree that joel deserves to stay as our starting keeper as he has done little wrong, but it would not surprise me if the fraud dropped him..

10 Feb 2015 10:11:12
Hey I didn't mean a leg break, just another 2 weeks off with the injury he already has just so joel can get more time on the pitch, same for mcgeady actually too.

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Swan wasnt u callen for joels head when he first got in the team after he dropped a few crossers. don't quoat me on sayin it was u I may be wrong. All along when people were sayin he is crap I av always said that for a keeper he is still a baby an needs a crack at the whipan he will come good but I have backed him from day onep

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10 Feb 2015 12:36:47
I was one of the many who had a go, wouldn't say I was calling for his head but he is changing my mind, he's done well and long may it continue.

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09 Feb 2015 17:10:00
extract from RM interview after the derby;

"Tactically it was a real good battle between two sides who were trying to score goals but, at the same time, were very strong defensively.
"It was a fascinating tactical battle from that point of view. You see players showing an incredible flexibility in their tactical awareness and I really enjoyed that side

'Tactically' this man is the new wizard of spin! what was he watching? what a load of old BS! Does he honestly believe Evertonian's are still buying this crap?

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09 Feb 2015 17:58:45
I see rm has said howard is still first choice keeper.so when fit out goes robles ffs just kill the lads confferdence.

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Wakka:

Re ''wizard of spin'' more like ' the blizzard of crap'

Even the press jonnies are smirking at his match descriptions .

That to me is an indication that the fat lady has cleared her throat and is standing (chomping at the bit ) in the wings! :(

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Yeah spot on B247, it was only a matter of time, and let's face it we are only stepping stone in his eyes, he really wants a top Spanish club!

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09 Feb 2015 16:20:29
Will someone please tell Martinez to stop "singing the praises" about Lukaku.his potential. the fact that He is only 21. and we don't give him the right service often enough! Lukaku will NEVER be a £28mil striker. I state once again, Harry Kane is also only 21, but the improvement in him is there for all to see, and He doesn't even need teammates to lay the ball on a plate for him, He makes a lot of his goals for himself as well as others.every game. Ross Barkley may well have come on against Liverpool and very nearly supplied a match winning pass for Coleman to score, but he doesn't do enough on a regular basis and often gets caught in possession in midfield, but very rarely tackles back. Martinez puts a high value on Potential, but these 2 players are now at an age where they should be flourishing. Lukaku & Barkley scare other teams in name only. I think Mirallas wants away, which is unfortunate as on his day he can be unplayable. but again not often enough. The next few games will determine our season, including the Europa Cup. at the moment Everton are not at the races, and I don't enjoy saying that. COYB.

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Totally agree with you GV, Lukaku and Barkley have been big disappointments this season.
In Lukaku's case he has lost the rampaging, strong running and physical presence evident in his loan spells at WBA and with us last season. He has turned into a wus with poor first touch, and for a big guy absolutely no idea how to challenge for high balls and lacks awareness of what's going on around him which is why he is continually caught offside.
Barkley does have skill but lacks application. He should look at the likes of Sanchez, Silva, Coutinio, Sterling and Kane to name but a few who combine skill with a work ethic that makes Ross look pedestrian. After coming on as sub against Liverpool, he lost possession to Henderson and then was left 5 yards in his wake in on a 25 yard run.
I appreciate that he played an absolutely brilliant, defence splitting pass which Coleman produced our only shot on goal but he needs to realise football is also about movement off the ball, closing down and not being afraid to use physical attributes in winning tackles.
Both players should be fit enough to run from first whistle to last and really positively impact on each game but I am now having real doubts on either improving from the level of their current performances.

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Lukaku's reaction in pleading to the referee when he was being 'bullied' by Joe Allen was laughable and showed that at 21 he is really just a big kid. It really was embarrassing.

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09 Feb 2015 15:21:49
This whole Leighton Baines, Bryan Oviedo and Luke Garbutt fiasco seems to be getting a bit stupid now. People calling for Baines to be sold, Oviedo is all of a sudden terrible after playing just one game all season and people putting all their faith in a player who has played just a handful of first team games in his life.

Madness.

Baines is 30, Oviedo 24 and Garbutt 21.

Baines has won countless games for us over the years, and now just because he is holding another player back from a position, he is becoming a villain?

Its a very simple solution.

Oviedo is a very decent player, who will no doubt command a starting position at left back when Baines is gone.

Garbutt is a young player, who is already being touted as Baines's successor, and a very exciting prospect.

Baines is a world class player. There is no doubt that his attacking senses are very good, and that he is also a set piece wonder. But we all know that his defending has never been as good as other left backs.

Now the solution.

A young RB names Lahm once got moved to CDM and flourished beyond belief. At 5 foot 4 it was a shock to see such a small man boss the midfeild like he did.

Baines can do the same thing for us. He's got bags of ability, and even though his pace has gone, for this position you don't need it.

AND, AND That means that Barry no longer gets games. WIN WIN for me.

I know majority of you will probs reply by saying that you can't just change a players position over night, well I say that you can. Any professional footballer should be able to adjust their game style to accommodate a new position, and many of our players have done it before.

Examples:

Besic - CB to CDM
McCarthy - CDM to CB
Barry - CDM to LB (opposite to the baines transition)
Oviedo - LB to LM (granted similar, but he's not a very attacking player)
Mirrallas - ST to Winger (Used to play striker at Olympiacos)

and My very favourite,

Phil Jagielka - CB to GK to CB again.

So yeah, don't say it can't be done/

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The thing is that albeit only one game he has tried Baines their and he was totally ineffective! His strength is the quality and intelligence he shows operating wide left, I don't believe his pace has gone, I just don't think he's had the support he used to get playing behind Pienaar. Perhaps like so many other players this season he is just lacking in self confidence!

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09 Feb 2015 16:29:07
We should be looking to reduce the age of the team with quality young players. And noes the time to do it, we're not going to win sod all this season, and we won't get relegated. So give Garbutt his chance. It worked with Stones and Garbutt is in the same mould.

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Agreed WB but at the expense of players like Distin, Howard, Barry, Kone, Hibbert and Alcaraz who are all 32 Plus!

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Play Oviedo or Garbutt at LB and Baines as LWB. Oviedo is the better defender and better going forward in my view with Baines the better dead ball expert.

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09 Feb 2015 11:42:00
Going to be really annoyed when garbutt leaves, can't martinez see baines just doesn't do it anymore and hasn't since moyes' second to last season. His set pieces are dreadful and he can't defend. Surely its better to get rid or move positions and have two young left backs than an ageing left back and a player who won't replace him for 5 years and then will be old himself. In fact, can we do a poll?
Should baines be moved on to accomadate garbutt?
Yes
No

Cheers of possible

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Agree drop Baines not done anything this season in fact as u say since moyes tried to take him 2 old Trafford his form has been poor.
Garbutt deserves a chance but can u really see Martinez dropping baines when fit, I don't think so look @ Barry plays week in week out martinez won't drop him even though his performances have been poor for a long time.
Fear not cleverley will be on board next season another holding midfield player that sits & does nothing else.
Can't we find a Paul Scholes type player with loads of energy creates chances & scores goals 4 fun.
How many goals have come from midfield this season only 1 I can recall Barkley against Qpr now that's poor by any standards.
We must be slowest team on the break in the premier league so predictable & lethargic in midfield it's untrue.
Created 1 chance against Lpool in 90 mins very negative particularly @ home.
Time for Martinez to say goodbye his system just doesn't work & has been found out no plan b.

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{Ed001's Note - sorry, meant to say that is added to the list for polls of the day.}

09 Feb 2015 14:26:54
Baines is by no means finished so moving him out of the club to accommodate a young player with bags of potential is a bit daft. Not many of the squad can say they have played well this season so Baines is not alone in that respect.
Totally agree with you Jonesy, we need more fire power from midfield, there needs to be a better goal spread throughout the team

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What!?! Drop Baines. Just like that. The player who holds the record for most assists in premier league history from that position. The player who has missed just one penalty in the premier league. The player we all wished had taken the ill fated pen against west brom.

Safe to say I disagree

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Garbuts not really tried an tested like baines is he. Bains is no were near past his best

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Have to say Baines decline is mirrored with that of Peanut, at their best it was a great left side!

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09 Feb 2015 15:33:29
As I said earlier, I think Baines should not be move out but that doesn't mean LG can't be accommodated. Why not play him on the left wing? Mirallas wants out so use a lad who wants to play. Like we did with Seamus before moving him to rb.

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Quite a few points to make:
1. Baines's form has certainly dropped from the very high standard he had set. Whether it is a permanent drop who knows?
2. Garbutt shows potential. Especially going forward, but he is also not strong defensively.
3. As other posters have said. Baines's standard was so exceptionally high, we almost take it for granted. Has he played terrible or is he just reaching his previous heights in the last 15 games?
4. As I often say, why get rid of players? Surely you do that after securing a better player for the squad? Who have we got lined up that is better than Baines? No one as far as I know. If we got rid of everyone that got a bit of criticism, our squad number would be zero!

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10 Feb 2015 02:31:00
Firstly players don't just lose their ability completely to take set pieces, he is obviously just rusty due to the fact that Martinez doesn't like practising anything that isn't passing. Another point, Martinez's style has also effected the way in which he plays and is instructed in what to do is a whole different system now under Martinez. Thirdly, you're saying sell a proven class left back that's out of form, when the whole team is aswell (bar a few) for a player we've seen play first team football a handful of times, its just ridiculous. I'm 100% up for giving youngsters a go in the team but no way should we be selling Baines and putting in a potential and not a completed player yet. A dew bad performance from the youngster and youll be crying to bring back baines and talking trash about garbutt and Martinez for picking him, much like the Robles situation was a while back.

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10 Feb 2015 09:34:01
No I wont, I had a go at joel because he WAS bad, he wasnt good for one game then bad the next then I had a go. I doubt garbutt will be happy playing left wing, its obviously a horrible scenario we find ourselves in, I just think baines is past it, he may have the record, doest mean much, lacina traore has the best goal to game ratio in fa cup history probably, doesn't make him world class.

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10 Feb 2015 09:45:43
Degsy I disagree for once, I bet garbutt is a better defender than baines, hell, we're all probably better defenders than baines. let's see what baines cannot do anymore, he can't cross, haven't seen him sprint for a long time, can't defend to the extreme, hasn't put in a good ball for a long time, his link up has been terribe for ages. People will say 'hes without pienaar', but if you rely on STEVEN PIENAAR to try at all then that's not good enough. Least garbutt can develop his defending, unlike baines who has never bothered, he just let's distin do it for him after he gets ripped, garbutt's deliveries have been top notch and he at least shows a bit of passion, bryan for me is just boss

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But swan no point in upsettin bains by rrplacin him with garbutt if at the end off season garbutt is off to the other side cause that mite make bains want to leave an then were just left with bryan for left back

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I have a better idea. Just get rid of Martinez and bring in a man with a backbone who picks a side on merit rather than by name alone. Baines,Barry and Lukaku should all have been dropped in recent games due to poor form.

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{Ed025's Note - i wish i could argue with that gray..

09 Feb 2015 12:01:10
We have a promising right-side to the team with Coleman, McCarthy and Lennon.
However, the left side is now surely in question with the likes of Baines, Barry, Pienaar and Mirallas all being subject to (deserved?) criticism this season.
Besic looks like the business and is preferred by many fans to Barry. Oviedo is also a favourite.
As for the spine of the team, there are also doubts about that. Neither Howard (this season) nor Robles have completely won over the fans. At centre back, Stones is the only one that's looking OK - even Jagielka, although playing much better of late, will need replacing sooner rather than later. Distin and Alcaraz will surely not stay at the club.
Naismith works his socks off, but is just short in terms of top quality. Barkley needs to be got back on track so that he starts delivering more effectively.
If Lukaku had the hold-up play of Kone, then he'd be a very good centre-forward.
Out wide, McGeady just hasn't performed well enough and Atsu has yet to be given a real chance.
Various youngsters are promising, but just haven't played enough to really prove themselves. Garbutt needs a better chance.
I suspect that it'll take a little longer - that's a few more transfer windows AND time for our better U-21 and U-18 players to develop - before we have a squad (and first choice team) to properly challenge for trophies.
Saying all of that, we should be at least in the top eight this season - expecting higher (based on last season) is unrealistic imho considering our NETT spend on transfers and our relative wage bill. Where we are currently isn't good enough.
The Europa League results are great, but we've ridden our luck in some of those matches.
We are where we are in the Premier League - and out early in both domestic cups - because our performances (as a team and individually) haven't deserved better results. Injuries and iffy refereeing haven't helped, but every club suffers over the course of a season and we just haven't done enough on the field.
Results have improved recently, but we must turn draws into wins. So, there are some positive signs, but there's loads for RM and most of our current players to do in order to bring back the feel-good factor from last season and to deliver the exciting & winning performances that we all so desperately crave.
:-)

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09 Feb 2015 09:59:11
were certainly improving over the past few weeks but the 3 def mids on saturday was for me appauling its basically saying we don't wanna go for the win but we don't wanna lose! ad like to see artinez change it up a bit

robles
coleman jags stones garbutt
besic mccarthy
mirallas lennon
barkley
lukaku

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09 Feb 2015 11:19:41
If we play lennon anywhere can it be on the right? Hate the idea of a winger who's pact and direct yet is expected to cut in and shoot? Should be on the right where he's played his whole career, not left wing, not attacking midfield and not left back.

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09 Feb 2015 11:27:00
It all depends on injuries imho, but if RM didn't select Garbutt ahead of Oviedo in the absence of Baines against Liverpool, then I can't see him selecting Garbutt against Chelsea.
I also don't see RM omitting Barry or Naismith (injury notwithstanding) from the starting lineup - they're two of his regular preferred starters.
Also, as we don't have a fixture this weekend, I don't think any of the players will be rested against Chelsea because of next week's Europa League match. There should be plenty of time for the players to recover.
I can see Lennon - who's ineligible for our Europa League campaign - getting a start against Chelsea, especially if Naismith is out injured.
Following the Berne match, I can see some other players starting against Leicester a few days later - just to rest/rotate the squad. The likes of McGeady (if fit) will surely play against Berne, while players like Kone might get a start against Leicester as might Atsu (if he's back from the African Cup of Nations).
If we play three in midfield against Chelsea - McCarthy, Barry and Besic - then I see Barkley being on the bench again.
Whoever is selected, we'll need a very disciplined performance as a team and individually - plus a slice of luck and a good referee - to get anything from the match. Here's hoping!

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09 Feb 2015 11:44:15
Its sad sid, when garbutt moves on and is englands first choice and destroying players with city, arsenal or even worse liverpool in a seasons time and we have leighton baines, a man who hasn't crossed a ball successfully since 2012.

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I'm sure it will be an unchanged team from the one that played Liverpool, he will stick with his favourites so expect Barry to start if there was a change then possibly McGeady.
Oviedo most likely got the nod as he's a more attacking option than Garbutt.

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A think its great that we no longer have to rely on the old guard recently distin howard pienaar alcaraz hibbert osman -there finished in my opinion seeing them on the team sheet doesn't fill me with confidence

garbutt has amazing potential and can cross a ball we need to utilise it on the wings especially with lukaku and naismith ready to get on the end of it

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