Everton Banter Archive October 09 2016

09 Oct 2016 21:05:13
Cant see Jimmy Mac getting back into the Everton side after the last two showings for Ireland, GuernseyBlue.

09 Oct 2016 22:54:40
If (if is the key word) Barry starts slipping we'll be damn glad of him. He's a very good third choice for those 2 positions imho.

09 Oct 2016 22:56:43
I know where your coming from also GuernseyBlue. Whealan had a better game than McCarthy tonight. McCarthy is only after having an operation though. As I said above he's a good player to bring in. At worst imo.

13 Oct 2016 00:49:54
If we get a fully fit McCarthy back, could be intresting alongside Gaye.

09 Oct 2016 11:25:39
16 million for Coleman wow. plus same article says lukaku and barkley are of interest.
I'm not sure what 3 players if any I would like playing for us from utd. but it's a turnaround from when we sniffed around there fringe players to see them interested in 3 of our top players.
We are a club on the move. slowly rebuilding and that paper trash just confirms it for me.

09 Oct 2016 17:30:58
Its what's known as everton having a good start and rivaling the so called sky 4 for a top place. United are hanging on and trying to unsettle those around them in the table. They will bid for henderson next.

10 Oct 2016 11:53:26
Strange how people see things. 16 million for Coleman is in my opinion crap! We paid similar for Williams who is 32! Williams has a couple more seasons. Coleman is at his peak. People always criticising Henderson. is it because he is red? Because I see and industrious player who is not afraid to try a penetrating pass (unlike McCarthy which has been my bitch about him for 18 months) . I would expect Coleman to be high on many clubs lists. He is strong, rarely injured, pops the odd assist and goal in and is reasonable defensively. The big and only question to ask is who would we replace him with?

{Ed002's Note - There is one club showing an interest and Everton are aware of that.}

10 Oct 2016 12:43:26
Guess Seamus will benefit from a new improved contract offer soon then?

{Ed002's Note - It is hard to see why.}

10 Oct 2016 22:47:18
Isn't that what usually happens? Another club shows interest. so the current club offers an improved contract to try and fend off the interest to the player from the other club.

{Ed002's Note - No Degsy, it would get completely out of hand. Coleman has three years left on his contract - Manchester United show an interest and Everton give him a 40% pay rise and another two years on his contract (a big fginancial hit to Everton but they are happy). That does not deter Manchester City (who are also looking for a right back) and they then make an approach. Are Everton going to give him another pay rise and extension? Everton are, like all other sides, constrained with regards to the wages they pay - Every year numerous teams look at numerous players, wages would soon spiral out of control if that approach were taken.

However, Coleman is probably due a review of his contract in any case. That won't deter Manchester United from being interested.}

11 Oct 2016 08:07:32
I agree that it would get completely out of hand if every player was offered a new contract every time another club "enquired". But from what I can gather, it is like you say, there are some players who may be reaching the point of having their contracts reviewed. Seamus Coleman may be at this point like you say. Add in to this the fact that every player's agent starts stirring up news stories and touting their players around, then it is up to the holding club at this stage to decide if it is worth improving the contract. We read about it every day in the news. Obviously some players are not offered improved terms, but the "shining stars" tend to be valued and clubs do amend pay structures and make exceptions. I would guess (like I said at the beginning) that Coleman is in this fortunate situation and will either get a pay rise or ask for a transfer when his agent advises him of any offer from another club.

{Ed002's Note - Actually, I would not say anything aganst Coleman's agent. He has gone with a responsible company and one who is looking to expand in the lucrative English market. I also understand that he is a birthday boy today.}

11 Oct 2016 08:13:10
Oh I forgot to say. you say it would get completely out of hand Ed? Is that not the situation we are in? Players like McGeady, Niasse and others (and not just at Everton) earning 10k a week and more to smile on pre-season photographs, train a few times a week but contribute little else to the football club? I would say that is out of hand and was created exectly by the free market, agents and the desperation of clubs and fans for success. In my humble opinion, wages have spiralled out of control (as you put it) . Or where you being sarcastic?

{Ed002's Note - That would not necessarily be the fault of the players. Naisse has done well elsewhere and it well thought of but has had little opportunity at Everton and was told he was not wanted. That would not help him settle at all. Everton will let a couple of players go in January and I suspect he will be available. I was not being sarcastic, wages are a major issue to many of the English clubs in that there are restictions on what can be spent and Everton cannot keep increasing wages without impinging those regulations. It needs to be managed carefully, particularly given the club will be investing significantly in the infrastructure.}

11 Oct 2016 15:40:53
Niasse was just an example Ed. My point being you had said wages would spiral out of control. and I was trying to point out that that is exactly what has happened. Which is one of the reasons the FFP rules were introduced. I know our parents said footballers were over paid premadonnas, but it seems to get better/ worst every season depending on whether you think they are over paid? Either way, I think wages have spiralled and tosome degree are out of control. Not many industries/ services have rich owners come in and bankroll their toys to the point of football as over the last 20 years. I accept clubs like Man Utd have grown "organically". but Chelsea and Man City were handed success almost on a plate with the amount of money thrown at them. Partially in the form of wages.

{Ed002's Note - Wages have not spiralled out of control because of teh circumstances you describe though. And it is the FFP rules that prevent clubs like Everton spending without direction or planning and getting themselves in to (a) financial difficulties, or (b) trouble with the regulations. Footballers are, in many cases, paid very well indeed and yes, some clubs have had the benefit of owners who are wealthy and able to invest but that does not guarantee success - take Liverpool as an example of that. Since the introduction of FFP most teams have adhered to the rules and have gotten themselves in to a better financial position (e.g. Chelsea), those who have abused the rules have been punished to varying degrees (e.g Manchester City, PSG etc., and others are looking to this more settled situation to buid on what they have within the framework of a plan (and this is where Everton should be heading). This is the intent of the club going forward - not the knee-jerk buying to placate the fans (a la West Ham). The club are in decent shape going forward.}

11 Oct 2016 21:51:59
Based on what you say the wages and contracts are starting to level out? One question I do have is how do "benefits" such as Man City's and West Ham's grounds get calculated into things? As far as I understand things, monies must be generated from footballing activities? Yet to be basically given a football stadium must be worth 100 to 200 million quid? Is this included in the calculation? eg should Liverpool County Council decide to donate a ground to Everton, would we be penalised? Likewise, if Mr Moshiri gave us a ground? Both West Ham and Man City have benefited in this way. Likewise Chelsea benefitted from Mr Abromovic's monies over the years with signings of players.

{Ed002's Note - Both clubs rent their grounds but I agree that they have significantly benefited. Mr Moshiri cannot gift the club a ground but can underwrite the funding for debveloping the ground - but there would be a risidual debt or he would have to take it in equity - which he can't do as he does not own the club. Chelsea's benefits were many years ago and long before FFP.}

12 Oct 2016 14:35:08
That's what I thought. and "late to the party as usual! "