03 Dec 2019 09:38:58
All the talk of Moyes/ no Moyes. other managers. I really think we have a problem within the club. We have made knee jerk reaction decisions since Moyes left. Martinez in and out. Then Koeman sacked after a terrible transfer window. Unsworth given temp charge then him removed to bring in Allardyce then Silva. If you look at the bad times within this period, they followed bloody awful transfer windows. We had opportunities to bring in young players with basic ability and to develop them. But we often went for established players that other teams had decided they could do without. During this time, we praised the youth squads . yet precious little talent has actually made it to first team and secured regular play. Added to that we have released players who have gone to other clubs and performed as well as the ones we have developed and kept or as well as ones we paid £20 or 30 mill for. This is all too much change in a club that needs stability. Look at Leicester City. They have brought in 2 or 3 players each window and the standard of those players has been much better than ours. I don't know how we sort it but we did seem to have that stability under Moyes. I know he riles some people including ED025. But I honestly thinbk we need to get back to basics. I also remember someone else said. during Moyes time. imagine if he had money. Well maybe bring him back and give him the dosh. He must have an idea of some of our squad and he must have an idea of what we need. It appears that the current management do not have that idea.
03 Dec 2019 09:52:44
Do you think the club has lost its identity?
03 Dec 2019 10:07:02
Personally I like Dyche as a realistic option, but I hear what's been said here. Most of Moyes crap signings were due to lack of funds available but he also bought a lot of very good players in at a good price.
Howard, Baines, coleman, jags, stones, Lescott, Neville, Cahill, Arteta, Graveson, Pienaar, Yak, Saha, Fellani to name some. Plus we also made a lot from selling a few of these on at big profit as well. We played some really good football when we had the better players under him as well. I know it wasn't always good, there were rubbish times as well and he upset a few when he left but surely we are adults and can get over that 🤷â€â™‚ï¸
I'd rather Moyes than Silva for sure.
03 Dec 2019 12:00:06
Moyes over Silva any day for me bunkbeds.
And Hugo I'd say we have lost our identity but I'm not sure Moyes alone will bring that back. We had different scouts and coaching staff when Moyes was here. They brought in good young talent and kept the side defensively sound. We'd always be up there in the top 3 for least goals conceded.
I feel really lost as a fan at the minute, I've always been really optimistic but right now I can't see a way of things getting better.
03 Dec 2019 12:20:45
Moyes had talent at Manchester United and unlimited funds and yet failed. He has pretty much failed to impress at every club since he left us. No doubt he would improve things verses Silva but not sure if he is the answer long term.
03 Dec 2019 12:45:24
Don’t think Moyes had unlimited funds at United in fact I think the flaw was Woodward was inept at dealing in the transfer market and they wasted too much time trying to prise out fellaini and Baines from us
He had an ageing squad that scraped over the line the season before and I think only Mourhino has had a better record than him since Ferguson
That’s not to say bring him back but it might make sense until the end of the season
I feel we have lost identity and are a very confused club, we brought in Brands to create a more sustainable system then it seems shackled his ability to do his job
We need a manage that’s going to get the team playing for him that will be hard to beat
I’d give up the pretty football right now for a run of wins!
However comes in also needs to understand we are the people’s club and what that means.
03 Dec 2019 13:06:17
So what's the excuses for Real Sociadad, Sunderland and West Ham?
I liked Moyes and do think he did some good things for us but we won nothing, he has always won nothing and second comings are never a success.
Sorry but no thanks for me,
Whether he is better than Silva is irrelevant. If we think Silva isn't good enough then getting someone who might be a little bit better isn't good enough.
03 Dec 2019 13:41:12
Bluemike! Moyes failing at Utd is a myth. He was not fired due to failure (look at his stats) . He was fired because their supporters were the same on him same as ours were on Alardyce.
03 Dec 2019 13:51:33
Yeah I kind of agree with that BW but I don't think I can bare Silva until the end of the season (I genuinely think relegation is a possibility) and I don't want the club to go all out for someone who is available now or they could get mid season.
Already this season is over we need someone to take over until the end of the season and start looking now for someone else long term. Its like the Koeman situation all over again.
{Ed002's Note - One of the problems of changing mid season is that there is less chance of getting a preferred option. If Everton look to make a change now it would make sense to put DF in charge for a while, but I suspect it will be Moyes.}
03 Dec 2019 14:21:16
i honestly think if we were to keep silva and hate saying it we could go down problem we have got even if we were to decide change now who do we get that could turn us around and get us back up the table not expecting miracles but il be happy with top 10 finish this season.
{Ed002's Note - The main advisor to Mr Moshiri has recommended Marcelino to counter the option of Moyes.}
03 Dec 2019 15:11:40
I’m not saying he is for me I’m just saying his results weren’t that bad and that he didn’t have loads of cash to spend
Problem for me is i haven’t a clue who would be good for us
Do we stagnate with an interim manager until the summer?
We don’t really look an attractive prospect or seem a top job
It’s a sorry state of affairs! We need to clarify where we are going and some identity
One thing from the recruitment Moyes and Kenwright did, most were a good fit for the club even if not the best players out there iron expensive.
03 Dec 2019 19:14:40
All this talk of Moyes just shows how desperate some have become. He did well on a budget here for a chairman who had no plan to get into the top 6 on a regular basis because of the cost needed. Moyes showed his colours when he went to Man U. He cannot handle big players or attitudes. If we have any hope of getting into the top 6 we will eventually require some big players to give us the help we need. OK they might well have seen better days but the experience they will bring that can be passed on to others will be invaluable. They will also bring big attitudes with them. Moyes will once again be shown up for the inadequate stubborn man he is. Moyes, Brexit, Election. Can't wait until they are all put to bed once and for all.
{Ed025's Note - im with you nick..
03 Dec 2019 19:38:31
Has anyone considered Pellegrini?
{Ed002's Note - No, that is not going to happen.}
03 Dec 2019 19:39:41
Silva has shown, like last season that he can turn our form around. Now I'm not saying keep him or get rid but injuries did for him last season and to some extent has done the same this season.
There have been glimpses this season, city, west ham and leicester. Now Bernard is back, Delph shortly and Gbamin at some point in January and we won't be relegated. Brands will have to loan a couple to add to the squad and I can see Kean playing quite a bit the 2nd half of the season.
Our form will get better when the above happens and for me we need to just get to the summer and get rid then.
Unless by some miracle a manager so good becomes available.
03 Dec 2019 20:01:37
I wouldn't have a problem with Marcelino, one of the better if not best bits of advice Mr Moshri has received. Question as always is how those from abroad adapt.
{Ed002's Note - Better than the English moving elsewhere.}
03 Dec 2019 20:29:30
My initial post wasnt really saying we need Moyes. it was more pointing out the way he brought through youngsters and signed players that we were/ are still picking (Seamus when fit and up until last season Baines) . my point is he did the 2 or 3 in every window and whilst not everyone made it. most did and we wheeled and dealed. We made profits and worked to a budget. The last few managers have had almost a different set of rules and money to play with. We have moved from shopping in Lidl to shopping in M&S. yet players are not performing and the team is not playing as a team. We had windows where we signed too many left sided players after previously not signing any. Then this season we needed a couple of center backs and signed Mina who really is too slow for the Premier league. I honestly don't know who chooses which players we sign but it is going wrong these last 3 or 4 windows. It caused Koeman's sacking. It caused us making a huge average squad and a group of players that I can't see gelling. We still need a center back or two and a center forward. My use of Moyes was really to say we ran things differently then. yes we have more dosh, but we seem to be chucking it at established players that other teams deem not good enough or they wouldn't let us have them. In Moyes' time he regularly looked at the teams who got relegated or League 1 clubs players and identified the up and coming youngsters. Who was the last up and coming youngster we signed from the likes of these teams? Only Richarlison springs to mind and we had to pay a premium for him. Compare with Coleman, Baines, Cahill, Carsley all from lesser teams. Then remember he had a few from the youth and class players at a snip like Arteta and John Stones (lower league again) . I am not saying this was all down to Moyes. I am saying the club acted differently than it seems to now. We buy players on their last legs or not wanted or at premium prices and ignore the lower leagues it seems?
04 Dec 2019 07:34:36
I understand that ED002.