26 Dec 2024 17:35:09
Usually the expectation from doing the right thing against vastly superior outfits to the next game against a lowly Forest changes, oh hang on. So the Everton way is to get battered by them but this is where my sympathy for Dinodyche ball ends as I now expect a dominant win against a side who is playing well but pre this season kick off, I'd have rated most of our first 11 man for man better. That hasn't changed except a mentality shift. Something our players could do with. And that's management.
{Ed001's Note - you are deluded. Not even before the season kicked off would anyone neutral with knowledge of the game rate Everton as a better team, man for man. You are just talking crap to have an excuse to whine again, as usual. So tedious. Forest's recruitment has been excellent since the chaos of the first season and they have built a good solid upper half team there.}
26 Dec 2024 18:49:43
In a combined team.
Pickford
Branthwaite
Tarks (maybe)
Ndiaye
Then Forest players.
{Ed001's Note - I am not convinced any of those get in. Forest's have 3 excellent centre backs, Pickford wouldn't be anyone's choice but Everton fans. Ndiaye maybe, but Elanga, Hudson-Odoi and Gibbs-White would probably be ahead of him.}
26 Dec 2024 19:11:01
Honestly FBS quick query to your post you say at start of season man fir man we are better than forest then who do you have as better than:-
Gubbs white?
Elanga?
Hudson-odoi?
Murilo?
Aina?
Wood?
Even say that Awonyi gets in our team and that milenkovic who i knew nothing of so haven't included but for your point I'd say that probably say 6 or 7 of there starting 11 improve us straight away.
{Ed001's Note - Milenkovic was wanted by all the big clubs around Europe a few years ago, but no one could get a deal done with his club. His form suffered for a bit after that, but he is revitalised this season and looking like the player they all wanted again.}
26 Dec 2024 19:17:25
Pcikford, Branthwaite and Ndiaye are our only 3 good players so that kind of negates your theory there. Man for man we are a lot poorer than most teams in the league. I expect Forest to drop from the top 4 or 5 by end of the season but give them some credit, they've played well this season and had some great results. We can only dream of playing a more exciting brand of football, that will only come with a more adventurous manager and capable players.
26 Dec 2024 19:18:27
Cheers Ed I just couldn't place him so was trying to be fair to FBS seeing the previous reply and thinking I'd say if I was a forest fan then there's only 2 that I would consider from us which would be pushing it which would be Branthwaite and possibly ndiaye I really think that would be it.
{Ed001's Note - it is why you are where you are. Hopefully that will change under new owners.}
26 Dec 2024 20:07:43
Forest are on fire and deserve to be where they are and so do we. This isn't a delusional thing. But I'd wager my claim pre season nobody's got forest where they are. A couple of signings and things could change just as quick for us. I'm not going to trudge through the man v man list's but this is more to the point that SD isn't c.
26 Dec 2024 20:09:16
SD wasn't capable of making the changes. I was simply hammering SD.
26 Dec 2024 20:15:12
Also just remembered I waxed lyrical about Gibbs White on here a year ago and called him a "baller" and got absolutely murdered on here. It's funny how different we look at a squad of players half way through a new season. I was never slating NF.
26 Dec 2024 20:35:55
Well England see him as their No1 so I would say yes he’s the better keeper.
26 Dec 2024 21:10:08
You can have other nationalities NFM. Pickford may be regarded as the best English keeper by some but Forest don’t have to have an English keeper…
I’m envious of Forest to be honest. We could have done with a manager who inspires the team and gets results. Sadly, we have Dycheball.
26 Dec 2024 21:36:10
I'd agree Pickford and Ndiaye could warrant a place in Forests first 11 only other 2 are Tarks and Jarrad but Murillo and Milenkovic are very decent CBS too and can't argue them two.
Football is all about confidence and momentum and forest have that currently and fair play to them, it's nice seeing the top cluster being broken and our time will come, funny how a lot on here mocked the idea of Nuno taking the job for us or how Chris Wood is is useless blah blah blah, they got Elanga ahead of us as he choose them because of style of play under Dyche, Gibbs white was linked to us previously when at wolves, they have bought very well including Anderson from Newcastle and Hudson doing on a free, all reasonable prices and shows what can be achieved by not having to get the so called named players in, a good balance and team spirit and they are reaping the accolades no doubt they will fall of next season or 2 again and another teams moment will arise, let's hope that is us, we have the foundations in place to not yo-yo when we finally get back to where we belong, the ingredients are there we just need a recipe and chef??.
27 Dec 2024 10:31:29
Wow didn’t realise that BR. Thanks for pointing that out.
27 Dec 2024 12:26:00
Here to help BMD!
27 Dec 2024 14:38:20
As good as Pickford has been for us. I always prefer keepers to go about their business quietly. Van Der Sar did this the best. He kept all around him calm and instructed only when he needed to. That Sels looks a quality keeper. Much of a muchness between the two.
No point even discussing our fullbacks. Tarky has no chance of getting in. His strengths have only ever been his robustness and his basic defending e. g. putting his body on the line. His positional sense and IQ has never been there and the older he gets the more obvious it is. Even yesterday, if he had of stepped out, JB would not have had to try and make up ground and stop the cross. Milenkovic and Murillo are in my opinion the best defensive pair in the league. You could argue Saliba and Gabriel but i prefer the Forest lads as they have a throwback character.
Personally, I would put Mangala in there over Yates. Mangala is a very good player and importantly knows what he is good at. The better team he plays for, the better he becomes. He had a quality game yesterday again and is only getting better.
Ndiaye comfortably gets in the Forest team. Whilst he may not have the physical attributes of Elanga and Hudson-Odoi, his technical ability with the ball and his IQ is head and shoulders above. He never panics and plays with a calmness that is alien to his teammates. Even his defensive work is intelligent, he stood Savio up yesterday and his body-positioning was brilliant, so much so that Savio decided to go back and play it inside. In contrast, everytime he got 1v1 with Mykolenko he ran at him and butchered him.
Ndiaye could comfortably play in any team in this league and not look out of place, lad is a great player.
Absolutely nobody else gets in this Forest team, other than Mangala and Ndiaye. Pickford and JB don't offer much more than Sels and Murillo, so they cancel each other out.