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18 Feb 2024 18:14:30
Really wish we had tried to bring barkley back to the club he's running the show against man utd.

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18 Feb 2024 20:06:13
Lad has, and always had, genuine quality. Seems like he’s concentrating on his football, looks fit and focused. He’d walk into our team. Truth is, most fans were very vocal about not wanting him back.

18 Feb 2024 20:15:11
No chance, he’s trouble.

19 Feb 2024 13:23:58
I would rather have kept Townsend as he would give us more in 20 minutes than Danjuma.

18 Feb 2024 15:08:42
Anyone seen the mason Holgate tackle ????.

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18 Feb 2024 15:57:55
Yes and Tom Davies cannot even get into such a terrible first team.

18 Feb 2024 18:10:29
Absolutely dreadful. No idea how he can try to clear the ball and catch him thigh high.

18 Feb 2024 19:20:06
Shocking tackle.

18 Feb 2024 20:16:27
He’s been doing that all of his career, awful player.

18 Feb 2024 21:06:07
Dreadful. What a mess of a season he's having. absolutely guaranteeing we'll have to continue paying his ridiculous wages until contract expires. Players with his attitude, combined with a clueless board sanctioning crazy contracts is exactly what put us in the current mess.

19 Feb 2024 09:14:21
Well his contract ends June 2025, so somehow the club will either need to loan him out again or sell him for a small fee.

19 Feb 2024 18:03:48
Have seem some bad tackles over the years but holgates one has to be worse i have seen i played amateur football for over 10 years every sunday and i can definitely say there wasnt nothink like that when i played 3 match ban for a red card offence he deserves 10 in my opinion no place in game for them types of tackles.

18 Feb 2024 15:02:18
Another favour from Holgate.

{Ed025's Note - hes done more for us in a Sheffield shirt than he ever did in a royal blue one for us glt.. :)

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18 Feb 2024 16:09:02
Can we send him on loan to Luton next?

18 Feb 2024 13:11:30
I'm not expecting any return of points and expecting fa further 10 point deduction for the 2nd charge simply because the Premier League can't sell Everton FC. We're no good to them not one of the Sky 6, nor a plucky underdog punching above their weight. Apart from us Evertonians no one wants to watch us. So it's simply a matter of sales, City/ Chelsea sell we don't so get rid and bring up a new whipping boy happy to be in the big league for a season or two.

They don't want any change to the status quo, and PSR proves that as does UEFA's FFP. The "Top Teams", whether PL or UEFA, don't want to lose their positions at the top. There will never be a City again where a club is bought out and financed to win anything again, Mark my words Newcastle will be next to feel their wrath. This is because they don't want them to set up Euro League.

Everton will just have to take what's coming to them, and reset and start again from scratch, in whatever League we end up in. As I'm sure EFL will have there rules to apply too.

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18 Feb 2024 19:08:29
Well Aston Villa are currently top four at the moment, so are you expecting them to get punished at some point?
The Premier League are not biased they’re just inept, and poorly run. Just like our football club.

18 Feb 2024 07:24:10
Reading that Doucoure, Onana and Seamus are all back in contention for Mondays game, welcome news indeed.

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18 Feb 2024 09:20:40
Need to hit the ground running. Useless however without hitting gack of net.

18 Feb 2024 10:25:05
Forests win yesterday pretty make it a must win game. If it wasn’t already! .

18 Feb 2024 19:09:15
Will we carry on just playing one striker though?

17 Feb 2024 23:14:39
Our frustrations are with the club being ran badly and the points deducted because of this. Think we should lay off Ed 02 who is only dealing with the facts and he's right.
It is a harsh penalty - hopefully be reduced but we knew we were heading for this for years.
Poor running by Moshri and Usminov the real owner leaving left us screwed.
We are in for a rough ride but I like to hope it gives us a chance to start playing local lads and looking at lower league for players which is what I'd prefer
But give Ed 02 a break - he's just telling us the truth which is hard to hear.

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18 Feb 2024 08:57:09
There are ways of responding politely.

18 Feb 2024 09:14:20
I agree! I think about if you were having the conversation face to face!

18 Feb 2024 10:10:49
Good post Sobs mate we are all adults on here and Ed 002 says it as it says on the tin, time and time again posters are asking the same question which must be so frustrating especially when one or two try to get cute with him, we are all frustrated on here about the length of time this points deduction appeal is taking, but to quote an old saying, it comes to those who wait maybe good news is just around the corner we will soon know one way or the other.

18 Feb 2024 11:06:43
We all talk tosh at times and of course frustration comes into the equation. These guys give their services voluntarily and are seemingly well informed. I for one am grateful for their knowledge. I do however agree with Big Reg.

18 Feb 2024 19:10:21
Spot on Big Reg. Respect is a double edged sword.

17 Feb 2024 18:06:33
Forest pulling away making a win against Palace a must. No points back (5 at least) and we are bang in trouble.

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18 Feb 2024 19:11:43
Luton, Forest, Palace and Brentford are all still in this.

16 Feb 2024 12:35:06
Why is it taking so long for a decision to be made on our appeal? It's been two weeks now. Even VAR works quicker than this. Surely a decision has been made, just bloody tell us what it is.

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16 Feb 2024 13:26:04
Because the whole thing is a mess. Not giving any excuse for Everton over-spending but Masters and the PL have dug themselves a hole from which it is going to be difficult to extract themselves. The last thing anyone wants is too many regulations (including VAR) , litigation between clubs, relegation or league position being due to financial irregularities rather than how a team performs. It's going to be interesting to see how they get themselves out of this situation but whatever they do now they are not going to please everyone, or probably nobody.

{Ed002's Note - The deduction, the appeal and the next charge are not being handled by the Premier League. They are not in a mess, Everton are.}

16 Feb 2024 13:52:37
Not sure you really believe that ED002.
Agree as a football club we are a complete and utter car crash, however the PL, although not directly involved in the appeal, nor the initial hearing, have indirectly steered the appeal panel to come up with a 10 point deduction.

This now puts them in a situation whereas to set a precedent. This is causing the issue as they see no spending in January on transfers from the PL Teams, calls for City to be relegated, stripping money out of the PL, potentially forcing the big 6 to breakaway.

This is how I and many in the press see it, and I do believe something needs to give if they are to save face.

Not sure about the 10 points back, however think it may be reduced and some carried for future charges, consequently still having us with a 10 point deduction but over 2 charges.

We should have gone in to administration, taken the hit, reduced exposure and come back stronger in a couple of years. Just my opinion.

{Ed002's Note - No they have not steered anything - they made a recommendation of 12 points if Everton were found guilty. And they were. This does not set a precedent, each matter referred to an independent poanel is assessed on the merits of the case and nothing more. Administration was an option.}

16 Feb 2024 14:14:13
Either way, all parties would be served well by a speedy resolution.

{Ed002's Note - They have not started hearing the second charge now.}

16 Feb 2024 15:52:32
Agree to disagree ed002, if my paymasters inferred a 12 point deduction then that would influence the way in which any penalty would go.
If m sure if they’d inferred a transfer ban and a big fine then that’s the way they had gone.
All options and no disrespect to you or any others with different opinions.
Guess it’s all too emotive for us football fans and reasoning goes out of the window.

{Ed002's Note - No, they are independent and led by leading barrister. The Everton fans think there is corruption - there isn’t. The constant whining comes largely from the fans simply not understanding anything at all related to the finances nor the process for ensure clubs remain profitable and financially sustainable. It is embarrassing.}

16 Feb 2024 15:57:40
Clear as mud ay? It’s easy to understand why fans, not just Everton fans, feel the club have been harshly treated, a general lack of transparency from all parties. Keep picking up points and see what happens then, I’m done dwelling on it tbh.

{Ed002's Note - What lack of transparency? The club know exactly the situation and the point of the appeal is to determine if the punishment was too harsh, or even too lenient. I am astonished you can’t grasp this.}

16 Feb 2024 17:07:31
There is no reason as to why this is taking so long. Independent panel? Rubbish, the Premiership have their print all over this. Anyone who thinks they haven’t is deluded.

{Ed025's Note - im with you Woburn, im not expecting a lot from them if im honest mate...the term"thick as thieves" comes to mind..

16 Feb 2024 19:25:46
“Too lenient” surely nobody in football can think the punishment was too lenient?

{Ed002's Note - so you don’t want a fair appeals process? This is getting so embarrassing.}

16 Feb 2024 21:30:27
It's a fair assumption that Everton will likely get some points back. How many is down to the 2nd independant panel. Probability says it is more. likely to be reduced than increased.
If Everton do still get points reduced then forest will too. Their challenge will be they could have sold the player earlier but wouldn't have got the price they wanted. If that's accepted (which it wont)
Everton could argue that the Gordon sale if done in early summer when we had an offer from another club we would have banked that money, albeit less and not breached P/ S by 19.5mill but we sold In the following January of the next financial year.
Forest will most likely get a similar or higher points penalty.
Reduced on appeal but their breach is well over the 19.5mill we have supposedly breached.

My guess is Everton will end up with a total of 6 points deducted for both breaches and Forest will end up with the same for one breach. But that is a guess.

16 Feb 2024 23:02:12
Think everyone wants a fair appeals process

The problem appears to be that there is no set punishments for any transgressions and no where in the premier league rules are there set punishments for certain transgressions.

For instance administration is 9pt deduction, Leicester with their ffp breach got a £3m fine, West Ham with their sporting advantage of playing tevez an ineligible player got a fine.

Therefore it is quite hard for it to appear fair when there is nothing to compare it to as all cases are dealt with individually and punished differently.

When we’ve apparently not gained any sporting advantage from the breach to be given a 10pt deduction seems harsh, particularly when West Ham with tevez clearly had a sporting advantage but only were fined makes it very frustrating.

Think the whole affair has shown the premier league in a poor light - not disputing our guilt we even admitted it - it’s just the punishment appears excessive compared to previous punishments of other teams.

Cant wait for it to be all over so we can start to concentrate on the football side of things rather than this.

However looking like the takeover is going to be a mess also and that will then distract us from matters in the pitch.

Just so frustrating that a once great club has been so badly mismanaged and it’s the fans that will suffer from the legacy of moshiri and Kenwright.

{Ed025's Note - good post that Dan mate..

17 Feb 2024 00:53:51
The 10 points will come back.

17 Feb 2024 08:14:01
What so many people fail to grasp though is that the current FFP/ PSR guidelines are not fit for purpose. How can the allowed losses be at the same level now that they were when it came in 10/ 11 years ago? The is no allowances for indexed rising. Player wages and transfer costs are so much higher now it’s just doesn’t work on those figures.

You only have to see that the guidelines are changing form next season I think and even the Premier League can’t hide from this fact. The frustration caused by the time taking to publish the findings of the appeal grows by the day. Just release the findings and we move on. Also the time taking to accept or decline 777 is just ridiculous! Again, just accept them or not and move on!

Ed002, I’m assuming you are not an Everton fan but surely you can see it from our point that all this is frustrating and we start to think it’s a vendetta. You must be the only person in the world that has even mentioned that the points deduction could be too lenient! I’m sure you wouldn’t be saying that if it was your club!

{Ed002's Note - Constantly bleating about not being "fit for purpose" does not detract from Everton knowingly abuse the rules on more than one occasion. They knew this was coming yet continued. There is a huge financial mess now. There is no vendetta - it is all of the making of a club that has caused these problems. Currently the club is broke and having to borrow money every month to pay the wage bill. I explained the process of appeal - it was pointless as the fans simply cannot grasp any of this at all.}

17 Feb 2024 09:41:02
Sorry Ed002 but i have to disagree with you, you say the deduction, the charge and the appeal are not being handled by the Premier league.

The charge was made by the PL. We worked with the PL in relation to our accounts so therefore they did handle the charge.

They have docked us 10 points, they were looking for 12 but the commission decided on 10. We play in the premier league so it was them that punished us on advice of the committee thus they did handle the deduction.

The commission and appeal. Who appointed them, who is paying them. I don't know but I am guessing it's the PL. I could be wrong on that.

In a later reply you mentioned we have been found guilty? We pleaded guilty. Doesn't take columbo to find someone guilty who have pleaded guilty. That's not our issue, our issue is the severity of the punishment, the lack of action against other teams.

You say the PL is not corrupt, its hard to agree with that when you see constant decisions go against us whether it be 2 charges in a year, so we will be charged twice and found guilty i'm guessing twice, before other clubs with more serious charges have been charged once even though their cases stretch way back longer than ours.
VAR constantly screwing us over. There are way more things but I won't go into them.
But hey, I'm a fan, I must be reading too much into things right? Wrong.


I know you are knowledgeable about a lot regarding transfers but you have mentioned before that you are not particularly a football fan, so I don't think you fully understand how this affects us as fans.

We know the club is in a bad state but you are a Ed on on fan site and as far as I and I am sure many others agree, you have an attitude toward us fans. You remind me of a great doctor with a bad bedside manner.

I read this site a few times a day, as I have done for years, I don't comment too much but that's out of choice. I expect some sort of reply saying how stupid I am or some petty response as usual maybe even to be banned, doesn't bother me, I can still read the comments which is what I prefer to do anyway.

{Ed002's Note - The charge was dealt with by an Independent Commission - independent of the Premier League and member clubs, including Everton. The members are appointed by independent Chair of the Premier League Judicial Panel - a very senior Barrister. They are not appointed by the Premier League. The two charges relate to separate years and were investigated - there was no pleading of guilt. Everton attempted to defend their failings and decided not to ask for admissions from some senior staff who may have helped. I assume you don't understand the word "corrupt" and which other clubs with more serious charges have not been charged - the sentence does not even make sense. I do understand that the fans are worried about this matter and as I said originally, I think the punishment was harsh. I can have your account deleted if that is what you want.}

17 Feb 2024 10:20:52
I understand the word. I'm a pretty intelligent bloke. Just because I don't know much about the running of a football club doesn't decrease my intelligence. If we were to have a discussion about my profession I would run rings around you and leave you sitting there open mouthed. But what I wouldn't do is try to make you out to be an idiot for not knowing somethjng about an industry your not involved in. Obviously I don't want my account deleted but I've seen you do it on other pages because people didn't agree with you.

{Ed002's Note - I did not mention your intelligence - but who is paying or otherwise rewarding the Premier League making them corrupt? And are you aware that Everton are a voting member of the Premier League - or is it just the Premier League Board of Directors you are saying are being paid off? I have no idea what your profession is but I am not trying to make you look an idiot as you are doing a tremendous job of humiliating yourself with the string of ridiculous, misinformed posts.}

17 Feb 2024 10:40:23
Not corrupt but very poorly managed. The appearance is one of wanting to score points against 'small' Clubs in order to demonstrate to HMG that outside regulation is not necessary. The deduction was extremely harsh and unprecedented. The Stadium will bring increased employment and income to the area, yet the commission took none of this into account. Is it true that rules were changed half way through the process? The whole process has indeed been a mess. Everton may be forced into administration by the very rules (apparently now being considered for change) supposedly set up to create fairness. I repeat of course no corruption but it is a mess.

{Ed002's Note - The Premier League comprises all of the member clubs so why would they look to "score points" against themselves. It is unrelated to independent oversight. The stadium will bring some additional employment to the area at the cost of huge debt to the club that it cannot afford. The independent commission do not have the remit to take account of anything related to the stadium - it is not part of the calculations at all as it counts as infrastructure.}

17 Feb 2024 11:50:09
I meant the Premier League Board.

{Ed002's Note - So who is paying them for their "corruption" and it seems that Everton as a member has not raised this issue. Or is it simply ill-informed and delusional fans scratching around making all of this up?}

16 Feb 2024 07:11:16
3 x winnable games coming up, Palace (h) Brighton (a) West ham (h) . None are easy of course but all are winnable.

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16 Feb 2024 09:47:43
Minimum 4 points required. Start with a win on Monday and hope other results go our way.

16 Feb 2024 10:06:49
Cannot rely on points return, Dyche needs to back up the rhetoric with getting results from a non-firing Squad.

16 Feb 2024 11:32:48
I think 7 points should be the target. We have to win our home games.

16 Feb 2024 11:59:09
One game at a time, vital that we beat Palace. They have got loads of players out. SD needs to be more positive and go for it.

16 Feb 2024 12:30:24
Not sure Brighton away is a winnable game. Would imagine Dyche will be looking for a 0-0 there.

16 Feb 2024 12:33:53
Think it’s time to give DCL a stint out of the Team, bring in Beto or Dobbin or even both up front and hopefully get 3 points from the Palace game and then take it from there,

16 Feb 2024 13:07:04
Well, 9 points should be the target pgp, but we rarely win 3 on the bounce. 4 would be ok, 5+ I’d be pleased with.

16 Feb 2024 21:49:22
We are averaging 1.2 points per game so expect to finish on 45 - the outcome of our breach. If its more than 7 it will be close.

{Ed025's Note - i think we finish above Burnley and Sheffield Smit, the catalyst will be the Forest punishment for me mate and the outcome of our appeal and any new sanctions..

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14 Feb 2024 04:01:30
Seems like a host of top clubs both here and in Europe are looking at Braithwaite as a possible summer signing. If the lad wants to leave or FFP dictates a sale then I hope we get some decent negotiators in.
Carlisle will no doubt be due a percentage and therefore we need to start a bidding war for the lad. I really hope he stays but if he has serious ambition, unfortunately he'll need to move on.

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14 Feb 2024 10:20:34
Well let’s hope we get a good price for him, and not one of these 20m a year for the next five years crap.
We really are on a downward spiral selling our best players, facing relegation and getting taken over by a dodgy Miami mob.
Now I’ve seen some ups and downs with this club over sixty years. But I can honestly say I have never known it as bad as it is now.
Anyone remember the Mersey Millionaire’s?

14 Feb 2024 10:53:00
Those were the days WoburnB, we were the envy of the league then. Now we are the whipping boys.

14 Feb 2024 13:42:30
I think we will be forced into a few sales this summer, Branthwaite and Onana for certain, I wouldn’t be surprised is DCL left too and maybe even Pickford (the only thing saving us there is I can’t see which club needs a keeper! )

14 Feb 2024 13:56:54
Distant memories now, Woburn, far too distant mate!

14 Feb 2024 17:02:23
I know bp feel really sorry for supporters like my two sons who have never seen us have success. My eldest was born the year we won the cup, our last trophy.

{Ed025's Note - mine are a bit older Brass, but they are both reds...bloody kids.. :)

14 Feb 2024 17:43:23
Was 6 at the time when we won the fa cup can't really say i remember at that age but am 34 years old and tbh i can't see us anytime soon qualifying for europe league just seems like a relegation battle this year an next few years aswell love to see us win a fa cup league cup or even the egg and spoon race will do but this team an club top to bottom needs a proper reshuffle.

14 Feb 2024 19:52:53
We used to sell well buy cheap and consistent top 8. Once the 'advisors' got hold of Moshri is when it all went tits up.

14 Feb 2024 20:14:03
I was 16 when we won the fa cup, was desperate for a billionaire owner to come in and took Moyes’ top half finishes and European qualifications for granted. Players like Ferguson, Baines, Cahill etc that would run through brick walls for the club. Careful what you wish for ay?

{Ed025's Note - absolutely JB, we all thought getting a billionaire owner would be the making of this club mate...turned out it was one of the darkest days in our history..

15 Feb 2024 08:46:23
The wrong Billionaire owner Ed. If we’d had a different billionaire without his ‘advisors’, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess.

{Ed025's Note - exactly BR, trust us to get a billionaire and it turns out to be Mr Bean..

15 Feb 2024 23:35:39
Or Mr Ben. Walked into a changing room and came out dressed as a billionaire.

16 Feb 2024 12:22:09
I think I would rather keep Branthwaite, we need to look to the future. I think Pickford has been class and kept us in the premier league to be honest but he’s probably at the peak of his value now, if a decent offer came in for DCL I would also consider it, again Doucoure if the Saudis come knocking again, I wouldn’t have sold in January but the summer is a different proposition. This is all with the understanding that we could reinvest all the money in the squad.

16 Feb 2024 13:09:02
Could be at the point where a complete overhaul is required. Get the wage bill right down, let the highest earners go, and cap the max at 60k a week.

 


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