30 Jul 2020 16:37:45
Hi Eds,

We have finished the season and now have just one LB in Digne, and just one RB in Coleman assuming Schalke want to keep Kenny

Nkounkou won't be ready for first team football so any ideas if there are going to be any incomings or outgoings in those positions?

{Ed002's Note - There has been interest in Diogo Dalot and Aaron Hickey.}

1.) 31 Jul 2020
31 Jul 2020 07:16:47
I'd have Dalot versatile and lots of potential younger but similar to Digne on RHS.

2.) 31 Jul 2020
31 Jul 2020 14:08:56
I don’t get the Dalot loan.
The only way it would make sense is if we have an option to buy at the end of it.
Otherwise we’re potentially giving another teams player minutes in the league when he can’t get those with his parent club - why would we want to develop a rivals player?

3.) 31 Jul 2020
31 Jul 2020 15:53:42
Gingerdan that is an awful argument to make! We would do it simply to improve us for a year. Your point of view is that we should never sign Messi or Neymar or Mbappe for a years loan because "why would we want to develop a rivals player".
Look at Lukaku or Gomes, both loans initially. So glad your not in charge of recruitment.

4.) 31 Jul 2020
31 Jul 2020 16:59:26
Worcester you have missed my point completely.

My point is without an option to buy why would you want a domestic rivals player on loan?

Manchester United are in the same league as us and therefore rivals in the league - why would we want to develop a player of a team in the same league?

Surely we want to be competing with them at the top half of the table so why would we want to develop a player for them if we don’t have a purchase option in loan?

May improve us for a year but then back to square one at end of the loan.

Also if not good enough to get in to the Manchester United team then why is he good enough for us?

This is the mentality that has got us in such a mess with our transfers for the passed few years, happily take rival teams cast offs.

Would happily take a player from a different league as we are not improving a domestic rivals player and they may actually step up playing in the premier league given the opportunity.

5.) 01 Aug 2020
01 Aug 2020 02:56:34
I'm not missing your point at all Gingerdan. It's just a ridiculous point you make!
We loan from clubs in our own division if they are able to improve us in some way, whether that's only a year or with the option to buy. Yes they develop whilst here which benefits the parent club, but we (hopefully) reap some benefit whilst said player is with us for the year. Win-Win, and much lower financial impact in times of FFP difficulties.
I don't once recall this stupid argument of yours when we send our players out on loan to develop.
Would you moan like this if Man Utds Mason Greenwood is suddenly available for us to loan? He's a young lad who is in development stage but what bolster us immensely for a year. Or does your argument only apply to players you don't especially like?

6.) 01 Aug 2020
01 Aug 2020 10:01:11
Again Worcester you have missed the point - would lbe beneficial if you actually read the post properly.

It has nothing to do with liking or disliking a player.

My point is why would we loan someone form the same league if we didn’t have the option to buy at the end of it?

Gomes and Lukaku great for us and we then took up the option to buy - win win.

Zouma - no option to buy - win lose.

With the option to buy if the player does well we have not only benefitted for the length of the loan but can also benefit going forward if purchase option taken up.

If does poorly don’t take option up.

If player does well but no option to buy then yes we’ve done well for the period of the loan but are then in the position on having to fill that position again.

The Dalot loan as I said would be puzzling to me if we didn’t have an option to buy. He’s not pulling up trees at United and can’t get in to their team. I’m sure there are several youngsters in our squad who would like a crack at the first team. So if we loaned him are we not potentially developing a rivals young player at the expense of our own young players?

So in simple terms for you the question is - why would you take a loan without an option to buy at the end of it?

7.) 01 Aug 2020
01 Aug 2020 15:39:52
This is pointless. You're like a child stuck on a poor argument but refusing to back down.

SIMPLE TERMS - we take an option to loan because it strengthens (ideally) whatever position that is for a year. If funds are limited, we can bring more in for less money spent. It gives us a further year to identify and make provisions to strengthen that position. How is this so difficult to understand?

Perfect example. Man Utds Dean Henderson. Not yet good enough to be their starting GK. Weakens them. Goes out on loan to a club where he is better than their existing GK (Sheff Utd) so helps them get a top 10 finish and allows said club to build from there. Both teams benefit massively. That is exactly why you loan players. - but alas, your argument that it is "giving another teams player minutes in the league when he can’t get those with his parent club" automatically means he's dross right? No way he would be an improvement on Pickford right?

And you still didn't say how you've never mentioned this before when it is us that loans our players out!? Hypocritical much?

I see that you refuse to budge on your stance so i don't know why I'm even bothering, no further replies because I'm just bored of this thread now, adios muchacho.

8.) 01 Aug 2020
01 Aug 2020 17:35:26
I don’t know why you’re bothering either Worcester.

My question was why would you loan a player without an option to buy?

But you seem to be spinning it whichever way suits your own agenda and just being a it rude to somebody who has a different opinion.

I haven’t mentioned dross players or anything like that.

I just think it would make sense to always have an option to purchase in a loan in my opinion. I’m sure Sheffield United whilst grateful for all he’s done are rueing not having an option on Henderson.

If we as a team want to loan players out then I’d happily have the option for the loan team to purchase - sure that’s been the case with Sandro, Tosun and Bolasie. Just a shame that no team has taken their options up and we’re still stuck with them.

Not everyone on these sites are always going to agree and we all have different opinions that’s what makes these sites so interesting and enjoyable.

9.) 01 Aug 2020
01 Aug 2020 20:42:05
Taking a player on loan is pretty simple, I can't understand why you don't get it. He would only be back up anyway. Saves us spending money on a back up that wouldn't normally play until possibly a youth player will be ready to fill the back up position next year.

That's a big win for us and saves us money. Yeah it might benefit MU but so what? In reality we aren't in competition with them, I can see them getting top 4 next season. We will be lucky to get top half.

{Ed002's Note - Why would a player move on loan as a back up? Why would a club pay to loan a player they are not planning on using.}

10.) 02 Aug 2020
01 Aug 2020 22:50:02
I had in my head he was a left back. He could play over Coleman but I don't know. But to answer your questions, because a team can't afford to only have one player in each position and need a back up for injuries. And a player might move to get higher up the pecking order and at least have a better chance of getting a game.

{Ed002's Note - That is not what happens Chris. Clubs look to send players out on loan to get experience and playing time.}