24 Jan 2016 14:28:42
Awful. can't believe how bad we are. no aggression or bite or drive!
If Bobby goes who is there to replace him?
{Ed025's Note - anyone pauly..
24 Jan 2016 14:54:38
Mark Hughes. But he may prefer to stay at Stoke.
24 Jan 2016 15:26:46
Very poor is an understatement . The lack of hunger was terrible they should keep the wages from them this week they where that bad. Everyone keeps talking about the great players we have maybe so but our team play is diabolical . Martinez out now before we dragged into relegation.
24 Jan 2016 15:37:57
mike bassett aka ricky tomlinson.
24 Jan 2016 15:54:07
Moyes?
24 Jan 2016 15:55:39
Swanse gave Everton a lesson in how to shut up shop and defend a winning position. Something Everton fail to do on many occasions this season.
24 Jan 2016 15:56:56
As soon as besic went of injured we fell apart in midfield we had no one with any urgency or able to put there foot in and make a tackle and stop other team playing delboy was are only bright spot in poor afternoon for us if stones keeps playing the way he is at the moment he should be dropped for jags and mori.
24 Jan 2016 15:57:50
Morinho, Guardiola. Moyes to name but 3. Martinez plays exciting attacking football but has no idea about defending. a la Keeganess. but long term it doesn't work and you have to be able to defend as well as attack. Moyes was the opposite.
24 Jan 2016 16:09:07
I would have Moyes back in a heartbeat. Martinez has to go. If we get beat Wednesday hopefully sacked straight away. He's awful.
24 Jan 2016 16:34:54
Not sure Moyes is the answer, great defensively but can't play attacking football. Opposite problem with martinez, defence so awful we go behind, teams shut up shop and can't break them down.
24 Jan 2016 16:45:51
Bring moyes back in an advisory role to Martinez. Moyes wouldn't go for that tho.
24 Jan 2016 16:49:27
You say Swansea shut up shop but Coleman missed 2 sitters. Moyes back? Are you guys serious? Agree that Martinez probably needs to go but no chance do we want Moyes back.
24 Jan 2016 16:59:11
He is the answer.
If you think back to his last season we played some lovely football and no one closes a game out better who we could attract.
Only issue was against big teams but if Moyes had this squad I would bet in him beating the so called big four.
In fact, we would be in the European places with Moyes.
24 Jan 2016 17:08:05
What about Gus hiddink he will be free this summer Eddie howe Frank de boer.
24 Jan 2016 17:50:15
Rlchris1982, you clearly never watched us under Moyes least of all his last season in which we played Tony Pulis football to Fellaini.
He, like Martinez, wouldn't have a clue how to use this team.
24 Jan 2016 18:05:31
I have been to every home game this season and a couple of away games and believe me Moyes with this Squad would have us definitely in the top 6 and maybe even better.
24 Jan 2016 18:42:01
Sure duncansmum, but how? Seeing how Lukaku would be misused, Howard still in goal and Deulofeu benched.
Good plan.
24 Jan 2016 18:51:09
Thoughts on Nigel Pearson? You can't just pluck managers out the sky especially those that are with clubs. Be realistic. Martinez HAS to go though.
{Ed023's Note - I think the next manager will be Eddie Howe, no substance to that just a hunch}
24 Jan 2016 19:18:34
I do like Martinez, he's brought in a lot of young talent with potential, oddly enough most of them are defenders. He's got the team the best in a long time going forward but like everyone else can see it comes with a cost and that's down to our defence. Yes we have given goals on a plate on quite a few occasions, this I don't blame Martinez for. It's been individual errors where the player concerned needs to put his hand up and say it wasn't good enough. But it appears Martinez has done nothing in trying to correct this either. Whether he's not capable of sorting a defence out or he needs a defensive coach to come in and concentrate on our defence whilst he continues to work with our attacking side I don't know. I don't think it helps having Howard in goal either. As good as he's been to Everton over the years his time is up and with him still between the posts probably makes our defenders nervous before they even kick off. I guess what I'm trying to say is getting rid of Martinez would be a mistake but we need to bring in a defence coach to sort the problems out in the back. Sorry for the long post :/.
24 Jan 2016 19:20:24
Ed023: if Eddie Howe returned back south from Burnley to Bournemouth for personal/ family reasons, why would he go back north? I know it's only your hunch, but I reckon he's more likely to get a job down south - say Tottenham if Pochettino moves to one of the elite European clubs like Real Madrid.
{Ed023's Note - Good point that and to be honest I haven't done much research into it but just thought from a neutral point of view it could be a good fit}
24 Jan 2016 20:28:32
Anomblue I assume you never watched Wigan. Martinez: "We were very slow in our performance - pedestrian - but two aspects affected our momentum which was the two injuries.
"The first half and second half performance were very contrasting.
"We created enough chances to win the game. The fearful aspect of our performance was a real shame. " Hmmm Wonder whose fault that is Roberto.
24 Jan 2016 21:22:27
Swan twice. This Squad both posts clearly said that with this Moyes would do better. More so try comparing stats.
24 Jan 2016 21:45:59
Anomblue is right. as an attacking force we are very creative but for the finishing touch. Defensivly we are crap, surely the board should be advising that this needs addressing with replacement goalkeeper and coach and get unsworth coaching basic defending and position of row z. Poor finishing cost us today. Also stones is playing more like a right back than a centre half. Any clues what dave watson is doing, possibly another defence coach.
24 Jan 2016 23:41:27
Swan Moyes didn't do too badly with us considering the lack of investment. I suppose we didn't play good football when we finished forth either?
Some still clearly upset he moved on but I don't blame him. Everyone board have had a lack of ambition for a long time and he bore the brunt of it and over achieved year on year aside from at the beginning when we yo-yo'd.
I thought the football was fine and would take that and winning over playing the attacking football we do without any clue defensively.
I'm not saying Moyes is perfect but based in availability at the minute and who we can attract he is probably the best out there. Alternately I would take a punt on Karanka from Boro.
Out of interest what do you think the solution is? You quick enough to shoot everyone done but never provide a valid insight yourself.
25 Jan 2016 07:10:33
No, even the players (Osman and Cahill) have said the football wasn't very good when we finished fourth, we just grinded out 1 nils.
I've offered my opinion on the matter, sack him and offer Mourinho whatever he wants, this is near impossible though.
De Boer? Knows how to use young players and could be quality.
Eddie Howe? Plays nice football and isn't stupid to play put of form players regularly, though he could be another Martinez.
Koeman? Showed he's a bad one season wonder, no different to Martinez.
Hughes? Awful with QPR and City, spent quite a but at Stoke and is achieving what he should be with that squad, not an improvement.
Moyes? Guaranteed to ruin Lukaku and get Deulofeu out the team whilst keeping Howard in, the likes of Holgate, Foulds, Browning, Garbutt, Walsh, Dowell and Ledson will never make it here under him. This myth that he would all of a sudden come back as ultra positive and get us doing what Leicester are doing really is hilarious.
Karanka? Meh.
There's my insight, funnily enough I've spoken about them all on here bar De Boer.
25 Jan 2016 14:00:20
Usual stuff from you Swan. Talking about what's wrong with everyone.
No solution, no positive insight.
25 Jan 2016 14:07:48
If Bobby goes who is realistically available for Everton? Laudrup, who had 1 good season at Swansea. Harry Redknapp? Benitez? Rodgers? Unfortunately I think Bobby has made a mess of it but to be fair to him how can he change it? If he drops Stones (who for a few weeks has been below his best) the crowd will react negatively. He can't drop Rom as we have no replacement and he can't fit mccarthy and besic in the same team because Barry has been great this season. To say it politely Bobby is up s**t creek and I don't see a way out for him unless he miraculously wins a cup (or two) . If he goes then we need a solid manager with a good reputation who will attract some quality players and make our players want to stay.
25 Jan 2016 14:53:50
Gave Howe and De Boer credit, they are realistic managers, sorry when I mention Mourinho (a great manager) it's laughable and impossible. These are the possibilities, sorry I didn't coat them in hot chocolate and go mad about how amazing they all are.
You've offered no solution.
Except saying Moyes will come back and play great football, make all our players better, not care about work rate.
So a completely different manager than he was a couple of months ago.
Before he got sacked, for the 2nd time, in his first season, of 2 jobs.
Instead of sitting there criticising everyone else's opinions on the matter such as mine here, why don't YOU give some positive insight and solutions to our problems.
Oh, without giving me assurances that you're "certain" Moyes has "moved on with the times".