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18 Mar 2024 19:36:10
There is some very informative information in the Telegraph which is running a Q&A on how this latest points deduction was arrived at, and in language we can understand well worth reading.

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18 Mar 2024 20:35:50
So they breached by 77% more than that of Everton £19.5 million us £34.5 million Forest.

Initially docked 6pts but were given 2pts back for early Guilty plea and cooperative with the enquiry.

Let's just hope our 2nd enquiry goes as smoothly.

18 Mar 2024 21:00:40
Yeah mate thought it was a pretty good read eh.

19 Mar 2024 07:51:51
They're plucking random numbers of points deducted out of thin air. There's no set guidance to how many points deducted by how much anyone over spends! There lies the problem!

19 Mar 2024 08:22:24
Yeah kinda gives some clarity, but can understand fans confusion with how the punishment differ, basically down to opinions of the "independent appeal boards" as nothing set in stone herein lays the problem.

The Ed says he thinks Forest should have got away with a warning and fine, others I've read &:watched IE lawyers etc think Forest should have been dealt with more severely than us, why it's all so confusing for us football fans.

This years relegation will be settled in the courts and not the football field. Not how sport should be.

{Ed025's Note - im with you Mocker mate..

18 Mar 2024 19:12:51
I would never actually think i would say this but apart from the last 2 seasons this season has probly been the worse one of my life and am 34 years old point deductions then appeals then ownership control dragging on then on the pitch when we play football its been terrible we go a goal up and sit back for them to hit us instead trying get a second goal regardless of more point deductions and forests latest one its up to our players and managing staff to see us over the line we can't keep relying on other results every week just to benefit us we need start picking up points regardless starting against Bournemouth will it be easy no but we have to try.

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18 Mar 2024 18:37:28
Why are all the media saying the Premier League are not helping themselves with the way they are handling these cases, seems everyone except them actually know what they are doing what a bloody mess,

{Ed002's Note - The Premier League are not dealing with the mess these clubs have created. There are independent tribunals. I have explained this repeatedly and tge embarrassing Everton fans have no grasp whatsoever- and another punishment to come. And likely another charge next season.}

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18 Mar 2024 18:49:05
Sorry Ed was saying what is on Sky Sports tonight, but you are right mate we don’t understand any of it.

18 Mar 2024 19:09:49
Ed 002, You say Forest should have got a warning and fine in your opinion earlier, but what you basing this on opinion or a set guidance, as this seems to be where the confusion within football lays currently, you say 1 thing then a top lawyer will say another, the premier League or whoever is governing this needs a transparent table of punishment so everyone knows the rules and repercussions.

I accept Everton's punishment and your probably right we will face yet more charges, I do feel tho as many of fans of various clubs that the rule makers whoever they may be have made a right pigs ear of this and the potential dealings of other clubs looming.

Thanks for your valued input Ed but think you shouldn't tarnish all us fans as idiots, they are quite a few elderly chaps on here and think respecting those is more important it is after all only a game and likewise you should be respectful along with all the other Eds for the valued tie and effort you put in even if at times we all do agree or knowledgeable the full details of matters.

{Ed002's Note - There is no confusion. We went through this a few weeks ago - anditis clear the Everton supporters do not understand the process, the offences and are intent on waking stupid unsubstantiated claims about corruption- it is a joke quite frankly. Embarrassing to say the very least. The cases, as with all charges need to be considered on their own merits. It would be fundamentally wrong to do anything else.}

18 Mar 2024 19:32:20
Sorry Ed but they is massive confusion amongst football fans on all the PSR rules and timescales involved with dealing with cases, don't really want to get into it as I appreciate you are more knowledgeable. The media don't help in their reporting on the matter as this is where a lot of us fans get our "info" from who all contridict themselves.

18 Mar 2024 16:57:01
I know both situations are different between ourselves and Notts Forest, what I don't understand is 1. Why was the Premier League not pushing for maximum punishment on forest like they was with us? 2. Why did the process to deduct forest points take a matter of weeks and our original deduction took months to decide? and 3. Why, when both ourselves and forest were found guilty of breaches at the same time, have forest found out now and we are still waiting for our outcome? Shouldn't the decisions have been made at the same time or released at the same time to give both clubs until the same point in the season to appeal?

{Ed002's Note - 1. The Premier League do not determine the punishments. 2. The matters are unrelated. 3. The charges are unrelated.

You need to move on - particularly from making false accusations.

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18 Mar 2024 20:50:45
Arche I think ours is delayed longer than Forest as we had to. wait on the first appeal before starting the second process. We will here just after Easter.

Maybe Ed can correct me if I'm wrong.

18 Mar 2024 16:55:12
Now that Forest have had a deduction in points I suppose an appeal will follow from them to reduce it.

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18 Mar 2024 15:17:55
-----------------------I have explained - move on as you just don't get it.---------------------

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18 Mar 2024 15:15:03
Looks like Forest are being deducted 4 points.

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18 Mar 2024 11:12:53
Being reported Forest will hear if they have any points deduction today,

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18 Mar 2024 14:39:13
4 points, not read it all yet but interested to see why only 4 and not 6 like us.

{Ed002's Note - Because it is nothing to do with Everton. We have already established that you all seem to be unable to grasp the simplicity of everything being heard on a case-by-case basis. Take it to the Nottingham Forest page.}

18 Mar 2024 15:14:30
Can this be explained or is it too complicated. I would have thought that we had more debt than Forest and that is why we have lost 6 points?
Premier league have been adopting EFL rules when dealing with these charges.

{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with that. Move on. Forest should have had no more than a fine and a warning.}

18 Mar 2024 15:20:25
It’s all done very fairly apparently. And to be fair to Forest they were going to struggle as soon as they got promoted.

18 Mar 2024 15:47:17
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18 Mar 2024 17:39:22
I have a sneaky feeling Ed02 isn't an Evertonian ??.

{Ed002's Note - I am sick of explaining after telling you all for years this was coming. The levels of understanding are simply astonishing.}

18 Mar 2024 19:04:44
Well you’ve hidden your annoyance really well.

18 Mar 2024 20:52:13
Very funny ?.

16 Mar 2024 22:48:03

---------------There is no point in discussing the finances-----------------

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16 Mar 2024 09:57:09
Who do we blame for the mess we are in .
FM or Bill for selling to him?

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16 Mar 2024 11:12:34
Moshiri for me. He's supposed to be an accountant.
Bill loved the club and was desperate for success. Sadly his biggest mistake was letting him into our club. Just hoping that we get a buyer soon. 777 for me spell trouble. They borrow money off other companies at a lower interest rate if you ask me! The other club's are not happy with them. I wonder why?

16 Mar 2024 12:26:36
If Bill loved the club so much he would have got us a new owner after our cup win in 1995 when we were at our peak value and Bill should have left with dignity and our thanks. Instead he insisted on finding a new owner who would allow him to stay on as Chairman. If he did not agree with the way Moshiri was running his beloved club into the ground he should have resigned, which he didn't.
One has to ask who was responsible for giving mediocre players such elevated wages? Moshiri has to take a lot of the blame but so does Kenwright.

16 Mar 2024 13:21:33
There is a route cause for all failures. BK for me was the route cause.

16 Mar 2024 13:34:21
The more look at it the more the blame has to lay with BK.

Was still at the club when moshiri took over and never appeared once to question what was happening regards recruitment etc.

Also his ridiculous comments regarding how other clubs look up to us to see how a club should be run were crazy.

He waxed lyrical about DBB who from the outside appeared to do ver little for the money she was paid.

He also played his part in headlockgate.

Whilst he was a blue, think it turned more into a money thing for him and was happy like so many at the club to just take his massive pay and ignore the chaos.

Unfortunately the whole sorry affair and current state of the club has tarnished all the good he did.

16 Mar 2024 20:35:51
It’s poor form to speak ill of those who have passed on, what good does it do now. What were all those RIP Bill messages for?
We are where we are and the only thing we can do to change that is get behind the team . It’s time to pack the streets again and welcome the team in 10 games to go!
COYB UTFT.

16 Mar 2024 22:06:19
Sorry Big C but I’ve just responded to skylarks question with my own opinion.

Agree nothing we can do about it now - but not sure BK’s passing makes him immune to blame.

Would be interesting to hear who you think is to blame.

16 Mar 2024 23:11:22
Wow bk done his best, you ar all fickle he saved us and sold us due to some fan pressure. Look at us now.
Age old saying becareful what u wish for. He gabe is a billionaire, we aee worse than ever.

Just to remimd you ppls 40 osh. We were in relegation every year till he took over, he got moyes who took us from relagation fodder to best of the rest. We would mot be in the prem abeit struggljng now with out him. We would be div 1. We were stable at the very least until he sold us. I would have bk an moyes back over this rubbish everyday.

16 Mar 2024 23:13:27
Mishiri is to blame. Bk was there to tr pks fsns he clearly didn't listen to bk at all clearly.

17 Mar 2024 12:43:26
Not disputing he saved us.

However not sure why since his passing people think he is beyond blame?

He was the chairman of the club a role he was paid handsomely for.

The role of a chairperson is to oversee the running of the club and ensure that it is run efficiently and managed appropriately as well as being responsible for the overall relationship between the club and the members and all stakeholders of the club.

Now to me he failed on all those parts when moshiri took over - the club is in a dire mess and we got into that mess on his watch.

Also we were all aware of the massive breakdown in relations between club and fans - further fuelled by the nonsense of headlockgate. Again under his watch.

He did save us previously, however his stewardship as chairman once Moshiri took over was abysmal and for me that has totally tarnished his legacy.

17 Mar 2024 12:51:19
Both! Bill could have sold earlier, but would have been set aside. He wanted to hold on to the Club in some capacity and control. For me he could/ should have accepted a non-exec. No doubt he loved the Club but that is under the bridge now. The main culprit is Moshri and (as Eds mentioned) his 'advisors'. The Gov sanctioning Usmanov certainly didn't help.

17 Mar 2024 14:37:17
I blame Gingerdan and Skylark. Absolutely ran us into the ground then 2 clowns.

17 Mar 2024 17:15:19
Love that FBS - starting to think you’re Denise Barrett Baxendale.

Amazed how many snowflakes on here getting upset that something bad has been said about BK.

If you don’t acknowledge mistakes there’s no way to stop them happening in the future.

18 Mar 2024 07:52:04
Well gingerdan you seem quite good at throwing abuse around . You know nothing about me yet label me a Snowflake.
What I am is respectful especially to those who are no longer with us.
I get this is a discussion/ banter/ rumour site and I’m all for that however abusing fellow posters is bad form and not really what these pages are for.
I’ve been posting on these pages for about 20 years and you are out of order.
I’m done.

18 Mar 2024 14:41:41
Sorry Big C not sure what abuse I’ve thrown around?

Skylark posted a question which I have answered with my own opinion.

As you say it’s a discussion/ banter site and not everyone will agree with each other which is what makes it so good.

I stick with what I said that BK is one of the major reasons for our current predicament.

Respect has to be earned and BK did that when he saved us, however as his tenure progressed unfortunately he lost it with some bad decisions on his part. As chairman he should have stood up for the club and fans rather than going along with Moshiris flights of fancies and he definitely shouldn’t have thrown the fans under th bus with the nonsense regarding the alleged DBB headlock incident and for those reasons he lost my respect.

However just because he’s passed doesn’t make me forget how badly the club has been run since moshiri took over, nor does it give BK a free pass.

My understanding on the word snowflake is someone who is easily offended and unable to deal with opposing opinions.

There have been far worse things written on here by other posters.

Be a shame to see you go, but if you’re unable to tolerate someone else’s opinion that’s your choice.

Hopefully you come back soon.

18 Mar 2024 15:15:24
I’m all for different opinions, just not name calling on what should be a safe forum for us all to air those opinions. In a previous life I gave 32 years where I was hated for what I did as a job not who I was name calling is water off a ducks back to me, I’ve been spat at and attacked to defend peoples rights to air their opinion whether I agreed with it or not, so I ain’t no snowflake. I think BK did what he could and in my opinion perhaps without BK we would be in an even worse situation . Be happy GD.

18 Mar 2024 16:29:11
Cheers for the reply Big C.
Was not my intention to offend anyone with the term snowflake was used as a bit of banter but now appreciate not all may have seen it like that.
As my name on here suggests I’ve had a fair bit of abuse over the years and like yourself it’s water off a ducks back.
Hopefully we can move on from our differences in relation to BK and hope the club some how manage to find away out of this mess regardless who is to blame.

15 Mar 2024 13:26:31
Just watching our training videos from Portugal. It is no wonder we can't score. All we seem to do is play 15/ 20 yard games with full-sized nets and no offsides.

In what way does this translate to a proper in-game scenario. It now makes sense why they all sh** themselves in front of goal as the parameters to score are much more difficult. Not only are there defenders in front of them but they are a good 15/ 20 yards further back than in these training clips. Baffling.

Why not get some proper game scenarios going, where it actually takes some technical nous and execution to score a goal, as it would on a match day. It is genuinely like watching kids football training.

On a positive note, that Chermitti looks like he might actually have a bit about him. Good technique and decision making.

It is clear we won't score through the middle of the pitch and seem to rely on balls coming from the flanks. Wouldn't it make sense to play with 2 lads up top, so one isn't exhausted chasing lost causes and then gassed when they, or should I say if they get in the penalty area. If there are 2 big lads to aim for in there, surely it can only help our chances of scoring.

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15 Mar 2024 14:01:16
BN your being far to logical mate. We like playing with two wide men who can’t beat a man or cross a ball. And a number 10 who can’t pass a ball. But fair play for trying.

15 Mar 2024 15:37:28
I forgot about that part Woburn hahah. What I would do for another Kanchelskis in the ranks right now.

15 Mar 2024 17:00:05
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