23 Apr 2024 14:08:53
Hey Ed002 and Ed025,
It's been a while since I posted (I still read but don't contribute as the turmoil and current club controversies make it hard to be positive) , but hope you're both doing well, as well as the regular posters.
Anyways, I was curious if either of you may have any inside info on our managerial stance for end of season?
I think the tone of Mr. Dyche lately has been eye opening: he is publicly commenting on how this is not the vision sold to him, not the situation he would have taken on, feels like his tenure has lasted an eternity etc. it seems at odds with the typical stance of avoiding negative subjects in interviews and swerving uncomfortable questions. I believe it's already agreed and that he knows he is leaving when the season ends.
I think it gives us the golden opportunity to reappoint Mr. Moyes. Contract with W Ham expiring and obviously he's out the door as they're interviewing candidates to replace. He's expressed a desire to come back to Everton in the past (didn't he get offered the job and accepted prior to the sudden appointment of Mr. Ancellotti? ) and also, being an out of contract manager, he wouldn't require a compensation payment which evidently is beneficial in our current state.
Do you think Mr. Moyes could be a viable option to take over, or am I clutching at straws?
Have a great day regardless guys, and here's hoping to a brighter future.
{Ed025's Note - you are right Worcester he really thought he was getting the gig until Ancellotti threw his hat in the ring, he was bitterly disappointed but i have to say i dont want him back mate, too much has gone under the bridge since he was with us and the way he departed left a sour taste in the mouth, i do hope Dyche does leave though as even though he has kept us afloat the football has been nothing short of boring and pathetic imo, i would like us to go with an up and coming young manager who can change the mentality of the team and connect with the supporters myself, but it wont be easy for whoever takes the job with the state this once great club is in at the moment, nice to hear from you though my friend..
23 Apr 2024 14:57:28
Well Moyes was an up and coming young manager when we got him. They are out there Ed, just need to find the right one.
{Ed025's Note - absolutely Brass, forget all these supposedly great managers who want to come to boost their pension pot, we need someone who can revamp this sleeping giant and give us back our identity mate, someone with hunger and fresh ideas who will hopefully get rid of all the hangers on and players that are stealing a living..
23 Apr 2024 15:14:21
Good to hear from you, Worcester.
I'm with Ed25 I'm afraid, no more backwards steps please.
A young, hungry positive manager and a young, hungry, positive squad please. Rather be at the bottom of a ladder I want to climb than at the top of one I don't.
23 Apr 2024 15:59:54
A pleasure to see such a great reply Ed025, and a couple of very valid, interesting comments.
I definitely agree that the ideal would be a young hungry manager for a fresh start but I fear that this is an awful time to go with that approach. We're in turmoil, financially ruined, a squad devoid of confidence and more than likely facing yet more sanctions next season. Putting a young, emerging manager into next seasons inevitable problems could absolutely ruin the guys future.
Mr. Moyes did run out on us in a very bad fashion, attempted to raid our players and of course it hurt. But it's hard to argue against his capabilities. Look at the wonderful job he's done at West Ham. The guy has nerves of steel and if anyone can take on our problems with confidence it's him. I honestly believe having him in charge for a couple of seasons to get our house in order and put us on a steady footing is the sensible move.
But regardless, whoever is appointed needs our support because the job is probably the toughest in the league to take without the fans adding even more pressure.
{Ed025's Note - going back is never a great idea imo Worcester, i understand that people will want him back mate and that is their prerogative but just not for me, my reason for wanting an up and coming manager is that i believe we need to sweep out the cobwebs of this club with a new broom and new direction, bring in cheap but hungry starlets who are desperate to prove themselves because lets be honest this looks like the only option we have...lets roll the dice..
23 Apr 2024 16:26:07
Moyes no way, he is a has been, how many times has he been sacked after running away from us to man who and then was sacked.
{Ed025's Note - you are preaching to the converted there 22 mate..
23 Apr 2024 16:54:50
Not being funny. Who would come to Everton? I think Dyche has done a remarkable job. If we had our points back we would be safe and it would be an improvement on last year. Just think of all the players he has inherited! Other managers signings. We need to keep Branthwaite but you just know that will not happen. As for Onana, I don't get it. What does he bring to the team? Sell him and let's get players in that want to give 110% every game. Realistically it will not happen because of our finances.
Would have to agree with most posters on here that the team needs to change its tactics. Maybe it is time for a new manager, But not Moyes. Sorry to rant on. Just gutted the way the club has been ran into the ground by a clueless Moshiri.
23 Apr 2024 18:11:58
I'm with Ed on this. Once the takeover has been completed, it'll be then we need to make changes and only then. The new owners need to have a vision of what they want the club to be then start from the top to put that plan in place.
For me, I would look at who is out there right now making waves, like Alonso in Germany. I'm not saying him and obviously wouldn't come to us anyway, plus he's a bloomin red but people like him who has built a club up. Regardless though for me we can't do anything until this limbo is over and the owners are in place. Dyche should stay until this is done.
I do feel for Dyche though. I didn't want him but he's done a fantastic job. Before you all go for me, take this into consideration.
8 points deducted and had to live this hanging over his and the teams head all season. The pressure of that alone has been huge for all of us
A multitude of players from different managers with no thought of whether they fit the ethos of the team
A club never mind team, bereft of confidence
A large amount of players leaving to aid the crippling wage budget
Our best players being sold to keep under PSR
The loss of the Chairman and left with an owner that couldn't tell you the postcode of the club he owns
Plus a ton more.
To be totally fair to the fella, if he keeps us up he has done nothing short of a miracle and should be applauded for it.
{Ed025's Note - i agree with some of that actually John, but i still believe that SD is not the manager for us mate, dont get me wrong he has fulfilled the brief which was to keep us up but the football (or hoofball) is terrible mate, i think he is 1 dimensional and archaic and does not have the coaching skills to make us play even half decent football, good for you if you are happy to be perennial drop avoiders but my expectations are a lot higher, i know its not his fault that this club is a total basket case but surely our standards have to be higher than this..
23 Apr 2024 18:52:24
We need the same type of manager as when moves was appointed. 3 that I would like to see are Carsley, new York city manager or the Ipswich gaffer. Also the reims manager is doing good in France. Will still I think he's called.
23 Apr 2024 18:53:25
I do agree 100% with that Ed. For me its more about the timing of changing it up. The worry is we get someone else before the takeover, then it happens and they want someone else or are not 100% behind whoever it is in charge.
Lets get this club with someone who wants it and then get the right manager in. Dyche, Mayes, Allardyce - there's no difference for me between any of them. I worry about our fan base though. I have no idea what they want and there is no patience there for any manager that comes in. It's part of the reason we're in this mess.
{Ed025's Note - very much so john, once the takeover is complete this has to be a total rebuild mate...rip it up and start again, im sure the supporters would want a total change of direction and would be right up for it..
23 Apr 2024 20:59:36
@ed025 "rip it up and start again " sounds like a song lyrics (orange juice) lol. Some really good points by yourself and fellow posters.
If dyche had an improved squad would the football still be as dire? Suppose that's the question.
{Ed025's Note - it would be exactly the same Witty, he is 1 dimentional mate..
23 Apr 2024 21:09:40
I wouldn't disagree with that. Who would you like as manager Ed?
{Ed025's Note - im open to offers Witty, someone young and dynamic and has the ability to coach players, if not i might take a chance on someone like Carsley or even Eddie Howe if he gets the bullet mate..
23 Apr 2024 21:37:39
Didn’t we give some up and coming managers a try and Moshiri ended up sacking them and causing the managerial merry-go-round we find ourselves in?
I agree that Dyche is not the answer but I haven’t a clue who is! Plus, regardless of who we want, who would come to a club like ours when we are in this right old state? Moyes might be an improvement on Dyche and he knows how to get bargain players that are half decent… it could be a wise move to get him in to sort out the squad.
24 Apr 2024 02:54:46
Maybe promote Lee Carsley with Leighton Baines as his assistant. If we're going to risk appointing any young manager then sense would say those two as they are steeped in Everton traditions.
24 Apr 2024 08:14:28
Pointless changing manager now. New owners new broom. But the broom needs to be wide enough to brush away more than just the manager and his staff. Fortunately we have a few big earners whose contracts are running out anyway so there’s a start.
That would knock nearly half a million a week off the wage bill. Then it’s time for Thelwell and his scouts to start earning their money.
Lower the wage bill and pay better win bonuses, for players and staff alike.
23 Apr 2024 08:21:28
He didn't run away he wanted to go to Utd for ambition (we all have it) he went with Bills blessing. Incidentally look at his Utd stats. I am not advocating his return but we need to get this perceived victim out of our system. Nobody (except Ancelloti) have been good enough for us since. How has Dyche done a remarkable job?
24 Apr 2024 09:43:22
Think he is a West Ham fan Dentie and wants to manage them. At this rate I would take Will I Am as manager atm.
On a more serious note, I wouldn't mind us going after Thiago Motta at Bologna. Doing a fantastic job. Has them playing great football offensively and defensively. Suspect some of the bigger Italian clubs may fancy him though.